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Post by Gadarene on Mar 20, 2012 13:35:42 GMT -5
I don't trust Peeker to tell me. Where are we with Peeker and someone else confirming each other? How far did the game in general get with that one? Is my vote for him as stupid as a would allow, or are many needed here? story confirmed to me that peeker is Town. I'm happy to quote story's entire PM, since that is apparently de rigueur here.
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 20, 2012 13:38:09 GMT -5
You aren't mod confirmed. Mod confirmed would be Story posting in the thread "Peeker is Town." Right now the only word we have that you are Town is yours and Gad's. Here's the PM I got. It was from story, and it was entitled "A Development."
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 20, 2012 13:39:52 GMT -5
I am on my phone and it's not easy to copy/paste. However I figured I'd better share this: I am really sorry to see Inner go - not just because he was town but also because he was vocal and played the game. The -52 is strange. Doesn't seem to be tied with votes as the 7 was. As for the roleblocker we have: I think Texcat should stop telling us who she will target. If Archangel HAD been scum I find it very likely Texcat would have been blocked. Maybe a bit of WIFOM is better in this case Yeah, amazingly enough, my kills have gone through like clockwork. I see a couple of possible advantages in sharing my kill beforehand. One, if I am killed or role-blocked, town can look at my target as a lynch candidate. Two, if anyone, including the possible target, has any reason they'd like to share why my target should be changed. (If Archangel had claimed Doc last night, I might have re-considered. Of course, since she was vanilla...) That being said, I tend to agree with you, especially since we know there are roleblockers out there. And certainly on Night 1, I didn't mention my target ahead of time. However, I will say now that I think likely vig targets are lurkers, lynch runners-up, and scum that I think I have a convincing case on (like MHaye). Also, I can choose not to kill any night. So if everyone is active and we lynch a scum, I could easily choose to stay home and watch TV. Gadarene, can you stand a few more questions about your message regarding peeker? I'm assuming that it was similar to the one that Total quoted just above? However, Total implies that it was part of her original PM. (Corrections welcomed.) The timing of your claim indicates that it might have been a message received at dusk of day one. Is that correct? If so, can I ask if it came in an envelope? Sorry I've been low-participation; I'm playing in a couple of other games and just having a really crappy all-around couple of weeks. Let me know if my quoting the PM answered your questions sufficiently; I received it at dusk on day one.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 20, 2012 13:41:52 GMT -5
Just me, or is the wagon on Pizza breaking the land speed record here? My God!Let's assume for the moment that he is Scum. Does that change the information he is giving? Is the information he is giving "wrong", or is he not speaking from experience? Did he not say he has 150 games plus experience? If we can ""leash the vig"" certainly we can keep Pizza alive longer than this. Do we not have multiple detectives? Do we not have other targets? Yeah, ok, so I might be snuggling Pizza, but dammit, he's playing the game. He is giving us information. Aren't these two points enough to consider another target instead of him? I doubt the game will end if we lynch Pizza, even if he is scum. Help us if he is town. Are you bat guano* crazy? We shouldn't lynch him even if he's scum because he's giving us information? Because he's playing the game? ? FOS Meeko *game color
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Mar 20, 2012 13:44:05 GMT -5
There is no case against me.
I also particularly love SBrown's proclivity for pointing the finger of suspicion against me two sentences before voting me in the same post. You know what that is? Talking yourself into believing something.
This isn't scum hunting, it's confirmation bias. I hate to tell you, because all that enthusiasm would probably be better served doing some thinking.
I blocked Sinjin. That's probably why Sinjin wants me gone. The reasoning he actually put forward was so pathetic, I can't believe he bothered to type it out.
1) This is a scum strategy how? 2) So? What's the logical conclusion? 3) Yes, I have. I have, I have, I have. I pointed out several folks who were acting like they were ducking suspicion, and all I got was cricket noises. I voted "to ltl"? What does that even mean?
Vote: Sinjin
Kill Sinjin already. Jesus Christ.
I also-also love the about face. Yesterday I was making a whole lot of sense and being helpful, today I'm scum of the earth, and NOTHING HAPPENED IN BETWEEN.
You want to know why people get frustrated with this game? Because your thought process is entirely incomprehensible.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Mar 20, 2012 13:46:26 GMT -5
Don't expect me to post anything further this round. I'm busy IRL. Lynch me.
If you have any desire to win this game, I advise you to start considering more than one person in a given round. This is seriously absurd.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 20, 2012 13:49:48 GMT -5
Today at 8:37am, Sister Coyote wrote:<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" class="quote" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td width="100%">Hi everybody. I've only made it through about the fourth page of Day One, so it may be a while before I have a chance to contribute anything useful.</td></tr></tbody></table> slacker I love you, too, peeker. Bite me. Welcome, Sister Coyote! Let me recommend Chronos' summary post during Night One to you. Oh, yay, thank you, that was very helpful. I'm happy to quote story's entire PM, since that is apparently de rigueur here. Not so much de rigeur as permitted by mod in this case, but.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 20, 2012 14:06:54 GMT -5
Don't expect me to post anything further this round. I'm busy IRL. Lynch me. If you have any desire to win this game, I advise you to start considering more than one person in a given round. This is seriously absurd. Thanks for the information about who you blocked. Sucks about such an early and forceful bandwagon building against you if you are indeed Town, but two brief posts and then not participating any more is probably not going to convince all of these people not to vote for you. If you want to be an asset to your apparent team and help them win, you might consider actually playing more.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Mar 20, 2012 14:10:14 GMT -5
Blasted frick and frack.
I was supposed to unvote and then vote Sinjin, but that procedural fuckup made me think a little bit about why I reflexively voted Idle in the first place, and what I think we can trace this wagon back to.
Sinjin is scummy as hell for those posts and especially the reasons for voting, but that's not the prime mover.
Already stated why I voted Idle, but I'll say it again. That claim is what scum will claim, and it is of no further use to a townie since it's been posted.
It's anti-town, and Idle gets a pass for being anti-town, because he's Idle and this is is last game evers, boo fricking hoo. You ever think he might have been randed scum? He won't change his game if he does, he'll continue to claim and be anti-town, same as ever. And you'll let him because you're comfortable with him and how he plays, and he's played the sympathy card.
As someone who doesn't play on these boards, I see things with fresh eyes. What I see is someone behaving completely wrong, and no one flinching about it. Because he's done it before, so you let him. But it's not different from other times, right, so there's no scum tell, so to speak.
The strategy is cut and paste. That much is the same. But that doesn't mean there aren't other tells. What are they?
-Voting record. -Reasons for votes. -His claim.
His claim is the big one, as I don't have the time to do an in-depth on his votes and record. But the claim is horse shit, bluntly stated. I will say his 2 posts out of 1,008 on day one are hiding, a strategy I despise. But I despise it because it works, it always works, because you forget certain people are even playing the damned game, and you focus on talkers, and I'm always, always a talker, and I'm usually townie, and the scumbag assholes are usually mid-to-low posters in large games. They do not dominate discussion.
Sometimes they appoint a designated talker, but most of them keep their slimy heads down. That's my experience. Maybe all your scumbags blab all day, but not on any board I've been on.
His claim is specifically designed to explain the following.
He can't do shit for the town. He won't ever give us useful information. He will never be murdered.
It's horse crock. And if he were a townie, he could have kept quiet about it's supposed power, but he doesn't want to! He wants to play the multi-game metagame of "I always claim truthfully!"
He won't if he's scum. This claim is bullshit.
He will only be scum one out of every how many games. Most games he's townie and establishes the truthy reputation. Then, it comes back and he uses it when he's scum. That's called playing the long game.
I play each game. I play it how I play it, Idle plays it how he plays it, and I haven't played this one any differently than I ever do. But for lynch the loud and lynch the I don't understand that guy reasons, I shall die.
When I do, and I flip townie, then you'll be down your town roleblocker. We also have a scum roleblocker out there, most likely, so I advise you to lynch all blockers. Even if there's another townie blocker, you gotta believe there is a scum one somewhere. 2 blockers for 1 scum blocker is still good play.
Next, lynch Idle Thoughts for his claim which only serves to provide excuses for himself, and does the town zero good, and then lynch Sinjin.
From whence does the pizza-hate come? I'll tell you.
I'm on Idle.
I blocked Sinjin. That's the difference between last round and this round. Nothing else happened. I was brilliant last round. This round I'm evil incarnate.
I vote for Idle, block Sinjin, and now I'm the mule. That's not organic. That's not natural, that's not how town behaves.
Keep my vote on Idle, since I didn't format it properly.
Your scum are Idle and Sinjin. I bid you adieu, since you're not listening anyway.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Mar 20, 2012 14:19:43 GMT -5
Don't expect me to post anything further this round. I'm busy IRL. Lynch me. If you have any desire to win this game, I advise you to start considering more than one person in a given round. This is seriously absurd. Thanks for the information about who you blocked. Sucks about such an early and forceful bandwagon building against you if you are indeed Town, but two brief posts and then not participating any more is probably not going to convince all of these people not to vote for you. If you want to be an asset to your apparent team and help them win, you might consider actually playing more. There are several posters, yourself included, that are the reason why I keep reading. TBH I didn't feel at all welcomed on D1 or D2. That said, I do have a 50-60 hour a week job and I'm hosting two games, and trying to have a life. I always post as much as I can and I always post whenever I'm online. Any dips in activity are a direct result of an increased amount of RL stuff. I do not hide. I do not lurk. I do not play that game because it is gutless. I never have, ESPECIALLY in games where I'm scum. I believe I tried low-posting in a couple games as townie, but I hated it. My activity is directly corrolated with busy. I have to be at work in 18 minutes. I'd love to post more, but by the time I do, this game will have progressed 5 more pages. I won't be able to respond to everyone until its too late and they've made up their minds and its ancient history. Even on a slow day like this one, its still not possible to have a back-and-forth. Given the wagon and the silliness behind it, I expect this is the last I can say about the game. But in truth, you folks are decent enough and I know you hate my professorial examination of your play style, but at the same time, you'd do so much better... why is 90% of the discussion in a given day focused on one person? There's a whole plethora of folks getting no attention or being written off as townie. That's so dangerous. And you're killing the guy who is reminding you about that. For the rest of the game, do me a favor, and remind yourselves to poke several persons a round, reason or not. Because it's the town thing to do. Failwagons are wagons with little or shitty reasoning, on a townie, the main focus of a round, in such a way that it dominates all discussion. That's why they fail. Lynching a townie in and of itself is not the end of the world, townies are foot soldiers who are ready to die. The fail is when you learn nothing because you've pressured no one else, considered no other possibilities, and asked no questions. That's town fail. That's why I am more concerned with the lack of diversity in discussion (consistent, I said this on previous rounds, this didn't happen when I got wagoned) than the fact that someone is getting wagoned. Someone needs to get wagoned to be lynched and therefore win the game. But if you're going to kill me then kill me. Now, while the round is still going, and I'm the lynch, shut up about me already, and talk about Idle and Sinjin, so when I flip townie, they have some explaining to do.PLEASE!
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Post by sinjin on Mar 20, 2012 14:42:35 GMT -5
There is no case against me. I also particularly love SBrown's proclivity for pointing the finger of suspicion against me two sentences before voting me in the same post. You know what that is? Talking yourself into believing something. This isn't scum hunting, it's confirmation bias. I hate to tell you, because all that enthusiasm would probably be better served doing some thinking. I blocked Sinjin. That's probably why Sinjin wants me gone. The reasoning he actually put forward was so pathetic, I can't believe he bothered to type it out. 1) This is a scum strategy how? 2) So? What's the logical conclusion? 3) Yes, I have. I have, I have, I have. I pointed out several folks who were acting like they were ducking suspicion, and all I got was cricket noises. I voted "to ltl"? What does that even mean? Vote: SinjinKill Sinjin already. Jesus Christ. I also-also love the about face. Yesterday I was making a whole lot of sense and being helpful, today I'm scum of the earth, and NOTHING HAPPENED IN BETWEEN. You want to know why people get frustrated with this game? Because your thought process is entirely incomprehensible. You want to kill me because you say you blocked me last night? I didn't do anything last night so I guess that was a waste of your alleged power. ltl is lynch the lurker.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 20, 2012 14:57:21 GMT -5
unless you believe Peek has a different power, or that Gadarene and peeks are lying together.... yeah. Do not rule this possibility out. It is improbable, but not impossible. /me glares at Ulla. I see a couple of possible advantages in sharing my kill beforehand. One, if I am killed or role-blocked, town can look at my target as a lynch candidate. Two, if anyone, including the possible target, has any reason they'd like to share why my target should be changed. (If Archangel had claimed Doc last night, I might have re-considered. Of course, since she was vanilla...) I can see one major reason why your target should not be announced: Scum having a re-director.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 20, 2012 15:26:08 GMT -5
unless you believe Peek has a different power, or that Gadarene and peeks are lying together.... yeah. Do not rule this possibility out. It is improbable, but not impossible. /me glares at Ulla. I agree!! Very much. We need to keep this in mind. Also my copy/paste should match the letters I posted Day 1. Will link to my posts next time I on the computer. Second - I'm not sure being helpful while playing the game as well is a Scum-tell. Someone once vig'ed me for posting too much like that. I was Town. /me glares at the lovely Sister who I am very happy to play with again The Pizza-wagon worries me a bit and I am sorry I haven't a solid case for anyone else ATM. I will however try to see if I can make some more sense before EOD. /Totally OOG I had a dream last night that Rysto and Sinjin was Scum. But I have to say I also dreamt that I met the Queen of Denmark AND Sean Connery. If the last two things happen, I'll let you all know and we can lynch them /End of OOG
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 20, 2012 17:03:15 GMT -5
Vote: SinjinKill Sinjin already. Jesus Christ. Did you forget you were already voting for me? Because I don't remember you UNvoting me yet.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 20, 2012 17:43:51 GMT -5
He also came back and said he's happy to leave his vote where it is and not unvote you.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 20, 2012 19:26:43 GMT -5
Just me, or is the wagon on Pizza breaking the land speed record here? My God!Let's assume for the moment that he is Scum. Does that change the information he is giving? Is the information he is giving "wrong", or is he not speaking from experience? Did he not say he has 150 games plus experience? If we can ""leash the vig"" certainly we can keep Pizza alive longer than this. Do we not have multiple detectives? Do we not have other targets? Yeah, ok, so I might be snuggling Pizza, but dammit, he's playing the game. He is giving us information. Aren't these two points enough to consider another target instead of him? I doubt the game will end if we lynch Pizza, even if he is scum. Help us if he is town. Are you bat guano* crazy? We shouldn't lynch him even if he's scum because he's giving us information? Because he's playing the game? ? FOS Meeko *game color Let's work backwards. People who play the game are better than those not participating. Do you not agree? People who give information, that can be evaluated BY ITSELF is better than people that people who give information that has to be evaluated and filtered through their alignment. Do you not agree?Do you _Know_ that Pizza is scum? Voting for Pizza, if you do not know he is scum would mean that you disagree with the first two parts of my response. If we can "leash the vig" then certainly we can leash the pizza. I meant to expand on this in the quote of mine you responded to. I think the votes on Pizza currently mean that we have effectively leashed him for the rest of the game. Even if he is scum, he's talking. As long as he is talking, we are making progress. Lynching him now halts that progress. Long story short, IF Pizza is scum, I believe he will slip. We can vote for him THEN. Instead of guessing now. In response to your first question, I will bring back a comment I made in one of my earliest Mafia games ; I have the madness, if only I had the method.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 20, 2012 19:33:27 GMT -5
Do we still have some outstanding business with Rysto? Was someone going to post information on them?
Can someone with better Mafia Math skills help me out here? Have we effectively wiped out our lead from Night 1, given the mislynches we have had of late?
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 20, 2012 20:08:35 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time understanding the case against pizza. He's...playing poorly? He's....handwaving the death of townies, even poorly playing ones like archanagel? I am re-reading now, by the way. I actually agree with Peeker about Pizza. His play this game has been terrible. I made a comment to him Yesterday about how he's been all talk about how bad Town is playing but not doing anything himself. His defense of that was basically "Scummy me would never do that!" which is of course ridiculous. I hate the reflexive "scum would totally do that!" response, since there are plenty of things scum wouldn't do, no seriously they wouldn't, but I don't think this is one of those things. And his roleclaim was marginal at best. Can you find the exchange where pizza said "scum would never do that" or whatever he said?
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Post by texcat on Mar 20, 2012 20:09:54 GMT -5
My maths aren't that good, but even I can figure out that we've only had 1 lynch since Night 1, and I don't necessarily consider it a mislynch because we prevented Drain recruitment by the scum, and Drain was 3rd party.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 20, 2012 20:12:52 GMT -5
Do we still have some outstanding business with Rysto? Was someone going to post information on them? Yeah, I haven't heard anybody chime in on that. Jan knows my name. I'm willing to guarantee that my acrostic proves my name, but if people want I'll claim my name anyway.
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 20, 2012 20:53:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I haven't heard anybody chime in on that. Jan knows my name. I'm willing to guarantee that my acrostic proves my name, but if people want I'll claim my name anyway. I'll call you on it. I think you should name claim.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 20, 2012 20:55:26 GMT -5
Are you saying you want Jan to tell us what your name is, instead of you doing it, and her confirming it?
I'm not sure as to what's the hold up. One of the two of you is going to tell us your name. Why would you prefer it her and not you, Rysto?
If it helps, you can post your acrostic and prove your name THAT way, but what's the point of that?
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Post by Rysto on Mar 20, 2012 21:05:32 GMT -5
Her doing helps to further confirm her power. Honestly, though, this isn't helping at all, so here goes:
Do not question my sanity. I am a model of sanity!
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Welcome to the game; you are Hugo Strange
REAL NAME:: Hugo Strange ALIGNMENT: Town GENERIC: <redacted> WIN CONDITION: All Scum and malicious third-parties (if any) are neutralized.
My acrostic was the italicized bit of colour at the beginning, which any amount of Googling will show was said by Huge Strange in the comics.
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Post by Nanook on Mar 20, 2012 21:07:30 GMT -5
Okay.... Here's my role. I can see that my style of play is causing friction. I'm fine with being the lynch if my ideas are just going to be snarked at for the remainder of the game. I can do without it. The Bat is dead anyway, so my power isn't as useful as it could have been. By the way, I breadcrumbed my role AND my power. I said we could block Lightfoot... I've been talking about "yummy" red herrings, etc. roleplaying as Catwoman from the Batman Returns movie. I gave you guys the tools to avoid this claim. I did my part anyway. Guys, if I were scum, I'd have been doing literally anything besides poking you all in the eye regarding your strategy decisions and questioning the wisdom of going for Lightfoot based on name, when I could block her and hopefully someone else could clear her. You know, trying to survive instead of trying to help. I know my idea of help hasn't been your cup of tea. For that, I'm sorry. But I'm trying to do what I can do, and this is the only way I know how. Anyway, here's what I did I do so far: I blocked Meeko last night. I got no result back from Story, so I don't even know if my power was successful. I did check and Story says that he got my order, so if it was supposed to work, it worked. Not much to report, being this is day two. Vote: Drain Bread because I'd like to follow through with my suggestion regarding Lightfoot, unless there's someone else you'd rather I block. There's one. There's another one that's basically similar. His defense is basically, if I were scum I would be playing totally differently I swear!
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Post by Rysto on Mar 20, 2012 21:07:44 GMT -5
Oh, for the love of all things holy... Story, if this gets me lynched I'm going to kill you! Story screwed up my win condition in the original PM he sent me and had to send me a second one: Do not question my sanity. I am a model of sanity! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the game; you are Hugo Strange REAL NAME:: Hugo Strange ALIGNMENT: Town GENERIC: <redacted> WIN CONDITION: All Scum and PFK (if any) are neutralized. ... Shall I just wait for the inevitable, or should I just fully claim now?
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 20, 2012 21:14:07 GMT -5
Let's work backwards. People who play the game are better than those not participating. Do you not agree? People who give information, that can be evaluated BY ITSELF is better than people that people who give information that has to be evaluated and filtered through their alignment. Do you not agree?Do you _Know_ that Pizza is scum? Voting for Pizza, if you do not know he is scum would mean that you disagree with the first two parts of my response. This is a false argument. And a stupid one, just FYI. You create 2 conditions. And then tact on an action that is unrelated to two conditions. Counter Example: "Bob" is Scum. Bob actively plays Mafia. Bob is an ACTIVE Mafia player that is scum, but Bob claims Townie when he is asked. You do not know that Bob is scum as a fellow player. When can you under your criteria EVER vote for Talkative Unknown Alignment Bob, short of an investigative role telling you Bob is scum? Just because a player is ACTIVE doesn't indicate Alignment. Just because a player posts things that you don't find scummy does not mean they're not scum. Mafia players LIE. Scum have GREATER reason to Lie. You guys seem really worked up over lurkers and the threat of Mafia hiding in the lurking players- but how many games have you played in where ALL The Mafia Lurked? Example #1: Special Ed- highest post count day 1. Turned out... scum. How many of us honestly suspected Special Ed as Scum prior to the end of that Day? Mafia can get away by "hiding in plain sight" they don't just need to never post in order to avoid detection, Meeks. Did Sinjin get any notification that she was role blocked? [/quote] Even if he is scum, he's talking. As long as he is talking, we are making progress. Lynching him now halts that progress. Long story short, IF Pizza is scum, I believe he will slip. We can vote for him THEN. Instead of guessing now. [/quote] What is a scum "slip" to you, and how often does that actually tend to happen in your Mafia games? And again... to your example up there- If we lynch scum right now... we made progress. Sure we didn't give him a chance to "slip" later. BUT WE JUST LYNCHED SCUM- how cares how it's done? Is Mhaye death less meaningful because he's now not active and doesn't have a chance to talk his way into being hung? -NO! He's dead scum! And that's a good thing. I'd always rather see scum hang rather than live another day. Again, I'm of the mentality that Scum have special powers too, just like the Townies do. They may have multiple actions, multiple abilities, etc- just like in the last Arkham game. So for scum, it would behoove them to be allowed to live another day- it basically gives them a chance to maybe use a secret power or a one time ability, and that's not something I care to expose us to, ya know? ~~ 5
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 20, 2012 21:28:48 GMT -5
Her doing helps to further confirm her power. Honestly, though, this isn't helping at all, so here goes: Do not question my sanity. I am a model of sanity!----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the game; you are Hugo Strange REAL NAME:: Hugo Strange ALIGNMENT: Town GENERIC: <redacted> WIN CONDITION: All Scum and malicious third-parties (if any) are neutralized. My acrostic was the italicized bit of colour at the beginning, which any amount of Googling will show was said by Huge Strange in the comics. i know you already backtracked but even i chuckled my ass off at this.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 20, 2012 21:34:29 GMT -5
Can someone with better Mafia Math skills help me out here? Have we effectively wiped out our lead from Night 1, given the mislynches we have had of late? <snipped> someone spiked the fucking cool aid or i went into warp drive. the "mislynches we have had of late". i don't know what fucking planet you are on but at least on my scorecard we have lynched two third parties (NOT FUCKING TOWN) that also bagged us a scum. this is in some way bad?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 20, 2012 21:38:25 GMT -5
also, because i love being a smart ass. i can hardly wait until the rysto rocket takes off. i'm sure the worm wiggling on the pavement will prove to be heartily amusing over the next rl day or so. just wonder if it is a last minute gambit from scum to try to preserve a real high value target.
but jeebuz, rysto it truly cracked me up.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 20, 2012 21:39:03 GMT -5
@SBrOwn. As I stated before I took no action last night so I had no action to block. I received no notification from Storyteller#### at Dawn.
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