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Post by texcat on Mar 26, 2012 17:08:39 GMT -5
I am against the role claim. I would, however, like to hear from Lightfoot. And any other investigators might think about claiming, depending on how useful their information is. We have yet to see any protective, doctor type roles. But I would prefer not to see them, just let them do their good deeds in the dark.
I'd also like to hear from anyone who was role-blocked last night. Anyone?
And I am declaring Arkham a NO SMOKING zone. Too much kerosene. Anyone lights a match and I might go up in smoke.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 26, 2012 17:14:55 GMT -5
You seem to be assuming that the 'worst case scenario' with your device is that it kills you. If that were known to be the case, then 'taking one for the team' would be entirely up to you, I suppose...but it may not be as simple and straight-forward as all that. As for a mass claim, I'm categorically opposed to the idea. I can see your point, but what if when a device-wearer dies of causes other than the device itself, nothing is revealed about the device? It may be that I feel the luxury of not being subject to blowing myself or others up, but we're back to the Town needing information, and right now the devices and whoever is planting them holds all the cards/remote detonators/harmless squirt guns/whathaveyou. And I can see your point. I can't say I think that it's a 'good thing' for Pollux to purposely count his device down to 0, but I can't say it's a 'bad thing' either. Of course, it's possible that he placed it on himself (or a Scum-buddy placed it on him) knowing that triggering it will activate some power for him that is anti-Town...but if that's the case the only way to stop him is to lynch him before he can set it off.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 26, 2012 17:19:54 GMT -5
You seem to be assuming that the 'worst case scenario' with your device is that it kills you. If that were known to be the case, then 'taking one for the team' would be entirely up to you, I suppose...but it may not be as simple and straight-forward as all that. Well that's why I'm volunteering to count down my device. The more information we (as a whole) have about the devices the better. Oh what the hell. Here's my role PM so you all have the same information I do: I referenced the beginning quote of my PM in this post. From my little research into wikipedia "it gives life interest" or "makes life interesting" seems to be a quote Lady Shiva uses regularly. I'm only vanilla, so if I die then we're not losing anything special. On the other hand, I feel like it's possible that if somebody tries to kill me it might active some power. I may be reading too much into the color of my PM, though. I looked through canon, it seemed like Lady Shiva fought directly with Batgirl at one point so I thought I might activate something if Batgirl was in the game but...who knows. I'm not afraid of dying for the greater good of the town, simply for the fact that this device is the most interesting thing that's happened all game to me. Before I activate anything, though, I'll put a firm foot down on all my suspicions and thoughts on specific things game-related.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 26, 2012 17:28:56 GMT -5
I think that Scum would bus Scum at any time, in any situation, if they thought it might be advantageous to them. And again, why couldn't it be "Scum wanted to try to get me lynched rather than try killing me at Night---something that might take another of their group away"? Because that seems just as--if not MORE--plausible...at least in my opinion. Of course, I'm biased, because I know I'm not scum and that that's probably what it is..but even taking that out of the equation, seems to me that even to someone who doesn't know my alignment, they'd have thought of that possibility.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 26, 2012 17:40:12 GMT -5
I think that Scum would bus Scum at any time, in any situation, if they thought it might be advantageous to them. And again, why couldn't it be "Scum wanted to try to get me lynched rather than try killing me at Night---something that might take another of their group away"? Because that seems just as--if not MORE--plausible...at least in my opinion. Of course, I'm biased, because I know I'm not scum and that that's probably what it is..but even taking that out of the equation, seems to me that even to someone who doesn't know my alignment, they'd have thought of that possibility. Well certainly it could be just about anything, now couldn't it? If I knew that you were lying, then I'd say so. I don't like your claim; in particular, I think the wording of your Powers stinks. I'm not generally one to vote someone just because of a misspelled word in a PM, or a missing apostrophe, or things like that, but in this case it just jumps out at me as a fake. Of course, it doesn't seem that the entire Town is falling all over themselves to get in line behind me, so it's probably not anything you need to get really worked up about.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 26, 2012 17:52:35 GMT -5
Nice deflection. That didn't answer the question, though.
You know damn well that that's a very good possibility...yet you still vote for me.
You're right, I'm not worried about it because of what you say...but even if people were voting for me one right after the other I wouldn't care, because frankly I can't wait until I'm out of this game and free of Mafia for awhile (or, quite possibly, forever).
That doesn't change the moral of the situation though, which is there is a good possibility of something here and you seem to be being puposefully obtuse to admitting/seeing it.
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 26, 2012 17:52:42 GMT -5
I'd like to hear Mahaloth's argument and reasons for having a mass claim now? I don't think we should. I thought perhaps it was time, but I see your points(your mean nearly everyone else, not just bill) and think we should wait. I was just asking. Vote sinjinI'm placing my vote again from yesterDay.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 26, 2012 18:04:58 GMT -5
Nice deflection. That didn't answer the question, though. You know damn well that that's a very good possibility...yet you still vote for me. You're right, I'm not worried about it because of what you say...but even if people were voting for me one right after the other I wouldn't care, because frankly I can't wait until I'm out of this game and free of Mafia for awhile (or, quite possibly, forever). That doesn't change the moral of the situation though, which is there is a good possibility of something here and you seem to be being puposefully obtuse to admitting/seeing it. I'm not deflecting anything. Yes, it's possible that you are Town, and that Scum want to get you lynched because they don't want to risk losing one of their dwindling number trying to night Kill you. that is a perfectly plausible scenario. And if I didn't think that you faked your PM, I'd believe it. But since I think you faked your PM, there is no reason for me to believe that scenario exists, since your Powers are not (in my opinion) as you state them to be. And I think that's the last I'm going to say on the subject now. My lone vote isn't going to carry the Day, and there are still far too many people who are absent today. I would like very much to hear from them right about now.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 26, 2012 18:12:42 GMT -5
And if I didn't think that you faked your PM, I'd believe it. Okay, well, I'm sorry that my role PM wasn't clear enough for you to understand it and that you think I'm scum because of it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 26, 2012 19:23:00 GMT -5
If you're innocent, and you were pressured into claiming by votes or alleged investigation results or something I could maybe understand a personal reaction. But that isn't at all how your claim came about, and regardless of how tired you are of the game, you know how it is played. Your apparent justifications that you want people to swallow is that you claimed because that's just how you roll, and you don't really want to play anymore anyway. Such reasoning is either irrelevant and meta to the game if you're being truthful (not to mention that it does little to counteract the frustration that such a play would illicit from other Town players). Or the justifications are manipulative lies trying to hide your deepest/darkest scummy/pfk desires. I just have a hard time buying that you are actually incredulous about having a lot of attention paid to your claim, or that people might suspect you based on what you've posted. I mean, heck. There's already a precedent for a 3rd Party getting lynched in part because people found Drain's claim difficult to swallow (though I do need to go back and review just who cited that as a vote justification at some point). Maybe Suburban just felt left-out of the Drain Train.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 26, 2012 19:26:29 GMT -5
NETA (though I do need to go back and review just who cited that as a vote justification, other than myself, at some point).
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 26, 2012 19:29:56 GMT -5
First of all. My weekend blew the hell up and I couldn’t get in here-Monday at the office today was a bloody disaster too.
If anyone was looking I didn’t go anywhere last Night. I couldn’t get in here and did not send my Night action. Not using my night action is inexcusable. But what happened here IRL was unchangeable
[apologies]
RE: all these investigators . Every one we’ve seen has been a specialty . And it seems, to me, that each one was designed to support the others not negate them. ( when intel was shared)
Already I’ve stated that scum/not scum is a worthless power to Scum. They know that bit already.
I appears I will have more real time to devote to game this week so will get posts to you post haste.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 26, 2012 19:32:52 GMT -5
If you're innocent, and you were pressured into claiming by votes or alleged investigation results o Nah, if that's the reason he's voting for me, I'd understand. From what I gather, though, he's voting for me because he didn't understand my power or how it worked, which--to me--seems kinda foolish. But I agree enough time has been spent on rehashing it and arguing about it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 26, 2012 19:35:49 GMT -5
Probably not the best time to miss an action, and asking you for who you would have targeted doesn't really work either.
I don't think anyone who suspects you is operating under the assumption that you're being truthful about your powers.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 26, 2012 19:36:36 GMT -5
#73 was to LightFoot
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 26, 2012 19:58:56 GMT -5
I don't think anyone who suspects you is operating under the assumption that you're being truthful about your powers. This. Your "Scum wouldn't recruit me" argument is a straw man. Scum would want to recruit you because: 1. You're a known seemingly recruitable per your Role PM so it's an already preselected person for the scum vs. shooting in the dark. 2. You can manipulate Townie Credibility as an Investigator- Already people are hesitant to lynch you due to being an investigator. And you can confirm Scummy players as "Not-Scum" giving them instant credibility. Even if you die and show up as scum, those scummy players don't gain MORE suspicion from it. 3. You're another body firmly on their side (and if you were Town, then one less Townie for them. It's a gain of +2 for them- one townie down, one scum added to their team- which is BETTER than a Kill). These are all the quick and dirty reasons for why you're a GREAT candidate for recruitment, and if you note, NONE of them have any problems with "Well, scum don't want my powers- I'm useless to them". What sort of powers are you thinking scum would WANT ideally? An investigator that's scummy is the perfect acquisition for them other than maybe a doctor that switches sides. *Also, the other issue (as Cookie brings up)- who is to say that you're not just Scum lying the whole time? Your role is the most easily faked by ANY scum- having the power to tell "who is scum and who isn't scum"- any scum player can claim that power. The only point in your favor is we've seemed to had players that state they can only get 3rd or not 3rd abilities. So there is a precedent of one for someone with a power like yours. But it's a weak argument. This is why I've been distrustful of you from the start- because it's VERY easy for someone in your shoes to lie. And the fact that we don't with our multiple investigators have anyone who has checked on the other investigators really hinders us. And the fact that you conveniently did not send in a Night action also again hurts us- Storyteller has noted you can send in prepared actions- so the fact that you didn't even have a preset list or anything like that "just in case on an emergency" is worrisome as well- you're potentially one of the most useful and powerful roles for the Town to have (because if you find scum, then bam instant lynch and +1 for the Town), and when you shoot yourself in the foot and your suspicious behavior of not just delaying information this Day, but on previous Days.... it's just SUPREMELY frustrating, and I'm not sure if I'm just biased at this point against you from all these errors (I know we haven't seen eye to eye in the past) or if you really are just that damn scummy. But I'm extremely curious to hear your response to my early post's question of how can we confirm your results? Do you understand/ see where I'm coming from with the usefulness that you COULD have been if you had a pool of "Confirmed townies" that upon your death (and if you flipped town) would have been a fantastic resource (basically creating your own mason pool of "non-scum") but the fact that you're showing up and denying that you did any action- Thus forcing me to reconsider lynching you simply because the trade off wouldn't be as good [less confirmed townies] for the town if you WERE actually Town is really sketchy. Not cool, Lightfoot not cool.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 26, 2012 20:03:43 GMT -5
yep not cool. but my real life blew the fuck up so tone that bit down a tad if you would TYVM
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 26, 2012 20:05:02 GMT -5
Well that's why I'm volunteering to count down my device. The more information we (as a whole) have about the devices the better. :nod: I feel really trusting of you- only because I can't see scum as wanting to potentially sacrifice themselves toDay to test out if this device is lethal or not. It's an individual action, and one that I don't think has the best option for a scummy player to do (Then again, you could be the device creator, and know exactly what you're doing or getting yourself into and so maybe that makes it easier for you to "sacrifice" yourself). But even with that, It seems more like a "non-scum' action to undergo- it's not much, but it's something sorta like Peeks' feeling of Gad, I suppose. You've been a great player, Pollux, and I've learned a lot from watching you play. If you're a vanilla townie... I don't like the idea of losing a Townie especially a potentially extra loss to hurt the Town, but I can at least better understand where you're coming from if you're Vanilla. :hugs: I would say though- don't do it all at once, maybe take your time... see if anything happens at each of the different numbers? Or if it maybe affects Hal or my devices too? Anything to give us more information. But thanks for playing with me. I really like your playing style, and maybe one day I can try to be like that myself. Godspeed, Pollux Oil!
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 26, 2012 20:19:44 GMT -5
At the risk of a snuggling three-way with Pollux and SBrown, I have come to hold them both in rather Townie on my evolving list. I'll even go so far as to say that I'd be willing to let him whatever deadline he wants in counting his device down to zero, if only to hopefully benefit from his analysis for as long as possible.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 26, 2012 20:20:34 GMT -5
NETA ...in rather Townie terms...
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 26, 2012 21:06:33 GMT -5
In case things get worse I will get a vote in atleast
I made my case yesterDay, I didn’t like the way gnarlycharlie has not justified his votes. His posts seem light .
I should have more time. But the problems here have not gone away yet. Call it what you will.
Vote: gnarlycharlie
@ SBrOwn / etal I can’t confirm Town. I can only soft confirm scum/not scum and it’s not worth much.(I can be tricked)
You can take into consideration my questions re: names and alignment D1. I have a Town classification and a super hero name. When pressured because of my name I claimed. ( I don’t like claiming SisC may remember I sided with her in a game or two on that subject)
Maybe Town would gain more from my death. But I would like to get another investigation or two in before that happens. Not my decision to make now, though.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 26, 2012 22:36:42 GMT -5
In case things get worse I will get a vote in atleast I made my case yesterDay, I didn’t like the way gnarlycharlie has not justified his votes. His posts seem light . I should have more time. But the problems here have not gone away yet. Call it what you will. Vote: gnarlycharlie [/color] @ SBrOwn / etal I can’t confirm Town. I can only soft confirm scum/not scum and it’s not worth much.(I can be tricked) You can take into consideration my questions re: names and alignment D1. I have a Town classification and a super hero name. When pressured because of my name I claimed. ( I don’t like claiming SisC may remember I sided with her in a game or two on that subject) Maybe Town would gain more from my death. But I would like to get another investigation or two in before that happens. Not my decision to make now, though. [/quote] can't say i'm surprised by this vote. still haven't been reading my posts? there aren't that many. i HAVE justified my votes. your lack of an investigation certainly isn't going to help you. i expected to be investigated since you thought i was most suspicious.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 26, 2012 22:43:31 GMT -5
If anyone was looking I didn’t go anywhere last Night. I couldn’t get in here and did not send my Night action. Not using my night action is inexcusable. But what happened here IRL was unchangeable This is interesting. That's really, really bad for town if you're telling the truth. However, I'm more inclined to actually believe you're town because it would be easier for you to simply say someone was "not-Scum" if you're lying about your role instead of saying you didn't do it, which would garner you even more attention. :nod: I feel really trusting of you- only because I can't see scum as wanting to potentially sacrifice themselves toDay to test out if this device is lethal or not. It's an individual action, and one that I don't think has the best option for a scummy player to do (Then again, you could be the device creator, and know exactly what you're doing or getting yourself into and so maybe that makes it easier for you to "sacrifice" yourself). But even with that, It seems more like a "non-scum' action to undergo- it's not much, but it's something sorta like Peeks' feeling of Gad, I suppose. You've been a great player, Pollux, and I've learned a lot from watching you play. If you're a vanilla townie... I don't like the idea of losing a Townie especially a potentially extra loss to hurt the Town, but I can at least better understand where you're coming from if you're Vanilla. It's interesting you say that, because of the three of us that have been deviced so far, I'd say you're likely to be the one to actually be the devicer should you be running a gambit. Your device has the largest number attached to it, and it seems like it's going to be very hard to figure out how your number is counting down/up. If the person planting the devices knows how each one works, giving themselves a device that had a high threshold that they could easily manipulate would not only throw suspicion off them, but keeping killing roles from targeting them for fear said device has adverse effects on people who target device-wearers. However, I'm starting to think the devices are some sort of mad bomber role and the person wins if X devices are in play, something like that. Usually with those types of roles, the win condition is related to themselves + X amount of bombs and so bombing themselves wouldn't advance their win condition. At the risk of a snuggling three-way with Pollux and SBrown, I have come to hold them both in rather Townie on my evolving list. I'll even go so far as to say that I'd be willing to let him whatever deadline he wants in counting his device down to zero, if only to hopefully benefit from his analysis for as long as possible. I figure since the Day has started out pretty slow, me putting this out there would at least get people talking about something. I'd like to see more people weigh in before I do anything, simply because it's another informative data point to analyze. I'm leaning towards activating it on Day Five, dependent on how the next round of Night deaths turn out. My only problem with activating the device as soon as possible is that we're starting to run low on talkative townies. Even peeker and Meeko have shushed up a bit which is something I noticed as I was going through Dirx's posts: he mentions Meeko gets lurky and quieter if he's scum. --- If I had to place a vote right now, it'd probably be on Meeko. He didn't vote on either of the main wagons on Day One, refuses to take responsibility for any lynch (voted no lynch on Day Two) and was probably the most adamant detractor on pizzaguy's early lynch take-off. He also started the gnarlycharlie vote wagon. The fact that pizzaguy claimed to have blocked Meeko on Day Two and Meeko so readily confirmed it makes me think it may have been planned on their parts.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 26, 2012 23:31:21 GMT -5
If I had to place a vote right now, it'd probably be on Meeko. He didn't vote on either of the main wagons on Day One, refuses to take responsibility for any lynch (voted no lynch on Day Two) and was probably the most adamant detractor on pizzaguy's early lynch take-off. He also started the gnarlycharlie vote wagon. The fact that pizzaguy claimed to have blocked Meeko on Day Two and Meeko so readily confirmed it makes me think it may have been planned on their parts.
He didn't vote on either of the main wagons on Day One. 1. This is the epitome of Opportunism. Hindsight now doesn't change the fact that we didn't have Hindsight then.
Refuses to take responsibility for any lynch (voted no lynch on Day Two) 2. How exactly does one "take responsibility" for a lynch? 2.5 But Yes, I will take responsibility for NOT being a part of the D2 Mislynch.
and was probably the most adamant detractor on pizzaguy's early lynch take-off. 3. All I can say, is that ultimately, on some level, I had a wrong read on Pizza, for this game. Town did that, Town does that, Town WILL do that. More Opportunism here.
He also started the gnarlycharlie vote wagon. 4.This pings me for a lot of reasons : I thought the third person to vote for someone was a scum tell. Also, Gnarly is still alive. Your diction here is very charged. "Started the wagon" implies that I must be stopped. .... Why do you want to defend Charlie here? But the thing is, I know I'm town.... so....... This goes from opportunism to trying to stretch a case so far, that your slip is showing.
The fact that pizzaguy claimed to have blocked Meeko on Day Two and Meeko so readily confirmed it makes me think it may have been planned on their parts. OPPORTUNISM. Holy crap. You are seriously asking me why I confirmed a NIGHT ONE action ? Actually. Let me do it this way. More on this in the next post.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 26, 2012 23:39:47 GMT -5
This is interesting. That's really, really bad for town if you're telling the truth. However, I'm more inclined to actually believe you're town because it would be easier for you to simply say someone was "not-Scum" if you're lying about your role instead of saying you didn't do it, which would garner you even more attention. This is I think why I'm more frustrated than outright voting for Lightfoot right now. It's wierd, but I feel like scum would have an easier play to make because it's easier to say "not-scum" and avoid this mess... but it's not a great reason for why someone is townie- "because scum would do a better job than you are doing in your shoes" sorta thing. I'm sorta stuck on where to go here. I don't like Lightfoot's playstyle... but I don't feel like she's the right vote right now, because if she's Town, it does hurt us a lot more and we don't exactly gain a large pool of confirmed voters. I don't trust lightfoot, but I don't feel as confident saying that she's necessarily the scummiest person here. I just basically can only say- I just don't think LF has given us a lot of reason to trust her. But that could go for a lot of us out here right now. As for the device, Pollux- I didn't exactly get a choice in my number or device but I can understand where you're coming from with your distrust- basically echoing my distrust right back at me. I think it comes with the territory of having a device strapped to ya and having to deal with it.... :nod: That said- I think your choices with your device are your own. If you think triggering it is the best move, then it's your call. I've already said my piece on the matter. Just be smart!
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Post by Nanook on Mar 26, 2012 23:48:02 GMT -5
I find it fascinating and slightly alarming that both Meeko and Charlie had absolutely nothing whatsoever to say Today...until someone specifically called them out, at which point BAM there they are responding. It just reeks of lurking scum or perhaps PFK only worried about what directly relates to themselves. At this point I don't think I would object to a lynch of either of them. Also, I too find Idle's claim to be awful, and would not object to his lynch either.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 26, 2012 23:50:08 GMT -5
The fact that pizzaguy claimed to have blocked Meeko on Day Two and Meeko so readily confirmed it makes me think it may have been planned on their parts.
First off, the block was on Night One.
You are assuming I am scum here. You say as much with "Their parts."
If I am scum, then I know that Pizza Guy is scum.
If I know that Pizza Guy is scum, would I have confirmed him? Or would Pizza Guy leash me on the scum board, and coach me on what to do [or not do] ?
But, beyond that, you said that I "readily" confirmed it. That I confirmed with haste.... This would not bode well if I was scum.
You seem to disapprove with the angle I took on it. Why do you disapprove of my readily confirming?
Scum blocking Scum? Ok, I concede I guess this happens. But on Night 1? Really? In a larger game? In a game with Third Parties and PFKs ? Certainly scum would have called off the "I block you, you block me gambit" at the time scum learned of third parties.
Or, I am town, and I got a lot of things wrong. In related story, Meeko is found to be playing..... like Meeko.
I've talked myself into it, and ultimately, that's all one player has to do, in order to get here.
I could try to explain this more, but I doubt it. Not that you guys will understand.
I think you are, and have, worked the case against me so thin, that it would tear at any moment.
Vote Pollux
Bonus Round : You know I am Town. As I have not claimed, you know that I need to be lynched. You know it will be a LOT harder, if not impossible to lynch those claiming town non-vanilla. Better to attempt a lynch on me, and then have your NKs free to use on the town non-vanillas.
Double Bonus : You probably knew I would vote on you first. Leaving you to Omgus. Or some other terminology related to the gambit you are using.
Whatever. It doesn't change you alignment.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 26, 2012 23:52:32 GMT -5
But you know, I think this is a fair question to ask...
Especially if Pollux "Pizza would Block Meeko as scum mates" gambit gets circulation.
Would Scum attach devices to Scummates?
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Post by texcat on Mar 27, 2012 0:03:29 GMT -5
The problem is that we don't know that Pizza actually blocked you, Meeko. In fact, we don't know that Pizza was a roleblocker. Perhaps Pizza was a scum recruiter, but had decided to claim roleblocker. Wouldn't he get a fellow scum to help prove his fake claim?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 27, 2012 1:53:50 GMT -5
Really? You're... really? Okay, sure. Let's do this. He didn't vote on either of the main wagons on Day One. 1. This is the epitome of Opportunism. Hindsight now doesn't change the fact that we didn't have Hindsight then. Nerrr..what? As the game progresses, people die. As people die their alignments get revealed. As their alignments are revealed we go back and take a look at previous votes. Which is what I'm doing. You didn't vote for Pleonast, which is a point against you since Ed turned up scum. Of course, you didn't choose to vote against texcat either, which is a point for you, but overall not voting for Pleo keeps you neutral down the line. If, say, you are scum, you could have also reasonably guessed that if texcat's counterlynch wasn't successful, people who were on that wagon would be suspected. Therefore keeping yourself off it while your buddies tried to get her lynched would keep you looking less suspicious. This isn't hindsight or opportunism. It's simply me hypothesizing "If Meeko is scum, this could have been his rationale for not voting on either of the main wagons." And I feel this could be a plausible hypothesis. Who's using "hindsight" now? You're proud of not mislynching Drain Bead, but seriously, you set yourself up in a position by voting no lynch that if either Drain Bead or Archangel was lynched and turned up non-threatening, you could say "see? told you so." That's what I mean by not taking responsibility for a lynch. Before the lynch even happens you cry mislynch and basically excuse any responsibility for what happens when Dusk hits. Opportunism. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.This is complete and utter bullhonky and you know it. You were very adamant in your defense of pizzaguy. Here you vote for peeker because he voted for pizzaguy. Despite the fact that peeker, at the time, was semi-confirmed via message to Gadarene. Here is your first defense of pizzaguy, saying that even if he is scum, we should keep him alive for information. Why? Why would anyone want to keep scum alive? Scum are never going to give us good information, especially if they know we're suspect of them! Here you hit us with some hyperbole, an overdramatic statement about the pizzaguy wagon. Here you wanted us to wait for pizzaguy to "slip" and we could vote for him then, instead of "guessing" now. Dismissing everybody's analysis of pizzaguy's posts as guessing is a little extreme, don't you think? I'm in agreement that townies get alignment wrong some of the time. But you can't tell me that you didn't expect such an adamant plea of "let's not lynch pizzaguy now, let's wait" wouldn't garner you some suspicion after he flipped scum? Seriously? It looks bad no matter how you slice it. Wow, misdirection much? You started the charlie wagon. This is fact. You were the one to reintroduce charlie's "slip" into the mix. This is fact. The gnarlycharlie bandwagon was the closest direct competition to the askthepizzaguy bandwagon at the close of Day Three. This is fact. Gnarlycharlie's alignment is not fact. Yes, he could be scum as well. Or he could be town, third-party or PFK. Seizing on a slip and trying to distract votes from pizzaguy is entirely plausible. Absolutely nowhere am I "defending" charlie. I am simply stating you started and were on a bandwagon that competed directly with a bandwagon that resulted in lynching scum. And in terms of voting analysis, looking at the people on the bandwagons rivaling the one that killed scum is a good way of finding scum. It's a little absurd how hard you're coming against me for this considering I'm really doing nothing but standard voting behavior analysis here. You're using that word again! First off, the block was on Night One. You are assuming I am scum here. You say as much with "Their parts." If I am scum, then I know that Pizza Guy is scum. If I know that Pizza Guy is scum, would I have confirmed him? Or would Pizza Guy leash me on the scum board, and coach me on what to do [or not do] ?Here's the deal. Pizzaguy was wordy, long-winded, and gave lots of advice on how to play on the main boards here. All things considered, we can be reasonably assured he was twice as wordy, long-winded, and advice-giving on the scum boards. They were probably inundated with information on his experiences as scum, how to play, what to look for, how to not appear as scum buddies, etc. Pizzaguy could easily be a guy who planned out a gambit between himself and a scum buddy. Say both of you are scum. If you get killed or lynched, well, he looks better because he blocked scum! But if he gets killed or lynched, surely he wouldn't have blocked a scum buddy or even mentioned a scum buddy by name! Right now we have words from you and Lightfoot that you were blocked on Night One. On Night Two, Gadarene claims to have been blocked but pizzaguy's supposed target, sinjin, has no idea if she was blocked or not. We don't even know if pizzaguy was a roleblocker for sure. (This actually gives me a thought: what if one of our investigative roles is/was a coroner of sorts, and could identify what dead people specifically did instead of the generic definitions given to us? Just a thought.) You were very Johnny-on-the-Spot with confirming pizza blocked you, and it gives me pause because you're basically immediately assuming 1) he's telling the truth and he's town and 2) it gives away to everyone that you're a power role. If you're town and he's scum, you've immediately told scum if they keep blocking you they'll be blocking a definite role and don't have to guess anymore. Which begs the question: were you blocked on Night Two? If you weren't, why would askthepizzaguy, assuming he was a roleblocker, have shifted his target away from you? I mean, you not being scum and all, there's no reason not to block you. And we know supposed investigators like Silver Jan and Lightfoot didn't get blocked either. Er, he didn't actually have to block you, you are aware of that right? Scum lie. He could have just said he blocked you and blocked somebody else, and you as his scum buddy just agreed with his blocking claim to make him look better. This makes my head hurt. Is it OMGUS to vote for somebody who OMGUS voted for you when you said you were thinking about voting them already? Your vote makes absolutely no sense. Have you been paying any attention to anything else I've been saying toDay, or did my throwaway paragraph of a person I was most suspicious of take all your attention? Er, I don't know you're town because I'm vanilla town as I claimed earlier. Furthermore, you've claimed non-vanilla already because you said you got blocked by pizzaguy. If it was so hard for me to lynch claimed non-vanilla why would I be targeting you?! This vote MAKES NO SENSE.
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