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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 27, 2008 18:37:23 GMT -5
And by day I mean 24 hour period.
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Post by RoOsh on Mar 27, 2008 18:39:14 GMT -5
Yeah honestly, 24 pages +2 Fluff pages isn't good enough for you people?
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Mar 27, 2008 18:41:57 GMT -5
Hmm. I'm torn about what to do. One hand we have CatinaSuit, who has claimed his Vig role. If we can trust Santo's information that Batman does the killing for the scum, that leaves us with a couple of situations A) Cat is now vanilla town because of the claim, B) Cat is a Serial Killer, trying valiantly to pose as a vigilante. C) Cat is in the PFK group (if there is an actual group) I am disinclined to believe C) at the moment, in that I believe the PFK group/person is or is tied to the Joker with a daykill Which leaves me with A) or B). I'm not sure which way to jump, If Cat is the Vig, lynching him would be offing a townie, but if Cat is a SK or similiar we are leaving ourselves open to having more of us killed off by him. Worst case scenario is we lynch Cat, which now that he has claimed is "only" lynching a vanilla townie not a power role. As opposed to trying to find another viable target in the short time remaining. Which at this point for me would involve voting for Atarus. In repsonse to the pressure Atarus said something to the effect that he made a big mistake. That could be entirely truthful coming from either scum or town. So where does this rambling get me to? Trying to decide upon a vote, because I need to get one in now, because I won't be around for the deadline. Vote Atarus it is.
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Post by RoOsh on Mar 27, 2008 18:44:48 GMT -5
Just a reminder: You have 25.25 hours left before someone gets to Ride the Lightning!
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 27, 2008 18:47:04 GMT -5
Votecount CatinaSuit 7 (ryjae,hawkeyeop,sinjin,tdpatriots12,drainbead,zuma,Santo Rugger) Hal Briston 1 (storyteller) Atarus 4 (TheDarkSmurf,Rysto,NAF1138,Hoopy Frood)
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 27, 2008 18:52:02 GMT -5
I'm going to have to disagree. I've been a Vig before, and unless you utilize your powers it's just not as fun. It's up to each individual player to play as they see fit. I'm not going to berate anyone for doing that. Since he has claimed, it appears that it's a moot point anyway. So you're saying that somebody hurting the town and having fun is better than the good of the town as a whole? Dude, the reason I'm playing is to have fun. I'm not going to pass judgement on somebody playing their role as they see fit. That's all I mean. When I stop having fun, I'll stop playing.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 27, 2008 18:58:24 GMT -5
So you're saying that somebody hurting the town and having fun is better than the good of the town as a whole? Dude, the reason I'm playing is to have fun. I'm not going to pass judgement on somebody playing their role as they see fit. That's all I mean. When I stop having fun, I'll stop playing. Me too. But, unfortunately, scum having fun is less important to me than winning the game.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 27, 2008 18:58:36 GMT -5
One more question for ya Cat and then I'm letting this go in hopes that the real vig takes you out or we have an investigative power that will eventually out you.
You narrowed the field of potential vig. candidates to those involved in the PM claimant bit of Day one. Any reason why Story or Rysto or Drain Bead or ryjae or Hawkeyop or Brewha were not included on your little checking it twice list?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 27, 2008 19:14:24 GMT -5
Now that Cat has claimed, I don't see any reason to lynch him toDay. I am going to provisionally vote Atarus, because I don't think I have a vote on record yet for toDay, and I don't want to end the Day without one. I like the case that has been made so far, but I am also going to look at Hoopy Frood again. The confusion over the Baddies being Town is still nagging me. You know what? I just changed my mind.
vote Hoopy Frood
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Post by sinjin on Mar 27, 2008 19:29:29 GMT -5
Ok, I've been re-reading and re-reading the threads all day, recognizing that there are many more than one scum out there. And hopefully the Cat will get his later if not sooner. I am finding brewha to be scummy for a couple of reasons, but mainly it's that he is skimming. I realize that it's tough to keep up with all the pages and pages of posts but some of his recent gaff's are egregious.
He posted this 5.5 hrs after CIAS claimed.
And why would I need a lynichin' if CIAS vigged me?
We really want to waste a role blocker on the vig every night?
Here he is again confusing me with CIAS.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 27, 2008 22:00:16 GMT -5
So that's it? We're just going to blow off the rest of the Day? Nobody has anything to say? A couple of people are suspicious of Atarus, including Atatrus himself. I personally am cool with a Cat lynch, but only 6 or 7 people are voting him. Do we all have mafia ennui already on day 2? Nine people don't even have a vote on anyone yet.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 27, 2008 22:15:59 GMT -5
A couple of people are suspicious of Atarus, including Atatrus himself. Snipped. Wait, what?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 27, 2008 22:16:41 GMT -5
As much as it pains me not to have had the chance to live up to my pledge of pouring through the past and finding a compelling nugget of scuminess, it just has not been in the cards for me this week. I'm prepared to be smited and loathed and called bad names in return.
I do know that I have reservations about the catwagon, and that Atarus made a flub, and was an early predictor of the scum having been supplied with fake claims, which I'm interpreting as being a symptom of his having received one of said fake claims.
Vote Atarus
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 27, 2008 22:18:40 GMT -5
Now that Cat has claimed, I don't see any reason to lynch him toDay. I am going to provisionally vote Atarus, because I don't think I have a vote on record yet for toDay, and I don't want to end the Day without one. I like the case that has been made so far, but I am also going to look at Hoopy Frood again. The confusion over the Baddies being Town is still nagging me. You know what? I just changed my mind. [colorblue] vote Hoopy Frood[/color][/quote] How in the heck does one change mind mid post? I mean, I've seen people change their minds in sequential posts, but in the same post? Never? To me, this says: "I want you all to think I'm writing what I'm thinking, so much so, in fact, that I'm not even going to go back and edit something I just typed. Look how townie I am, I don't even need to look over my posts, because I've got nothing to hide. I'M A BADDIE, PEOPLE!!!" Minor FoS. Not enough to warrant an orange one, but I just don't get it.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 27, 2008 22:24:38 GMT -5
Here's my problem. When I first put forward the case against Atarus (I was also the first one to actually vote for him, both this round and the last, don't forget) I was waiting to see whether or not someone would come out in his defence or try and derail the bandwagon and perhaps isolate another target. Well, it happened, but in a way that I didn't expect. Before that, Atarus basically went for a full real-life day under heavy suspicion without anybody making any attempt to suggest a case against anybody else. That worries me a lot. There is no conclusive case against Atarus. I'm worried that I've helped to create a scapegoat here. What eventually did derail the bandwagon on Atarus was Sinjin. OK, I was looking for one of several people who would fit the role as Atarus' partner to attempt to start serious suspicion on someone else. Sinjin, from my point of view, isn't it. Yet here she is, at the right time and in the right place, swinging out against CatInASuit, with an accusation that appears to be completely genuine (going on Cat's reaction). If Atarus is a wolf then all I can say is that that's a pretty damn convenient gift to the wolves. (Less so if CIAS is a wolf and is going to be lynched because of it, of course.) I put my idea that Sinjin's role was scummy, and this was refuted by several people. OK, one or two have made some good points regarding the balance of power, and I'm pretty receptive towards genuine logic (as opposed to the fluff that's composed about 90% of this and the previous thread so far). So let's say for the sake of argument that Sinjin is human. In which case, it seems quite likely to me that Atarus is a convenient scapegoat for the wolves, and not a wolf himself. Scratch Sinjin. Scratch Atarus. This leaves me with one helluva problem. I can either go back to my Kat analysis and vote somebody on it who looks like a likely partner of Kat. This is most definitely not CatInASuit - but then CIAS looks, if any, to be part of the opposing scum team anyway. In which case I'd effectively be throwing away my vote right now, since the only popular suspect there seems to be Atarus and I've just eliminated him. Or else I can vote off CatInASuit, regardless of the Kat evidence, on the chance that he's a member of an opposing scum team, and on the grounds that he attempted to kill a likely human. Actually this is really a very easy decision, isn't it... Throw my vote away, or vote CatInASuit. Bollocks. I vote TDPatriots, on the grounds that, unlike Atarus, he does appear to have some support, and he fits very well as a partner of Kat. See my full analysis here: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=tempy&action=display&thread=299&page=2#19652
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 27, 2008 22:28:36 GMT -5
Votecount CatinaSuit 7 (ryjae,hawkeyeop,sinjin,tdpatriots12,drainbead,zuma,Santo Rugger) Atarus 4 (TheDarkSmurf,Rysto,NAF1138,Hoopy Frood,Cookies) ryjae 2 (dotchanByIrony,atarus) Hoopy Frood 1 (Hockey Monkey) Hal Briston 1 (storyteller) tdpatriots12 1 (molefan1981) Brewha 1 (CatinaSuit)
Not voting: Darth Sensitive,MHaye,Brewha,Hal Briston
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Post by sinjin on Mar 27, 2008 22:29:47 GMT -5
This is the atarus on atarus post I was referring to Rugger: Link to Rysto's Post(since I can't quote it, and that post has the link to the case he made) To be honest, I've been a bit surprised at people that have been saying "point me to a better case than Cat and maybe I'll change my vote" when your case was already on the table against me. It kind of reeks of a bit of opportunism if people are so easily forgetting the mistake I made. Or maybe they just don't see it as scummy as somebody killing in the night? I don't know, the mind boggles sometimes. (I'm aware it's a bit unorthodox, but hey, I made a screw-up and some people are acting like the case against CatinaSuit is the only scummy thing that's happened toDay. 'Tis weird.) Link to ryjae's postThis post bothered me. Citing wikipedia and color as damning evidence against somebody isn't good form. There's lots of color, and for goodness sake there's so many iterations of Batman and Batman villains we have no idea what Roosh and Dio are going to base the players in this game off of. (Hell, we might think we're up against Christian Bale's macho Batman, but it could be Adam West Batman for all we know.) I mean sure, I hypothesize about Harley Quinn and the Joker but if somebody comes up Harley Quinn as their role claim, I'm not immediately going to vote for them just because of their name and they "might" be associated with the Joker. I think there's become an unhealthy obsession with the Playing for Keeps folks. We don't even know if the people Playing for Keeps even have the ability to kill anyone. The speculators didn't in Blade Runner. Yes we do have to eliminate them, and yes they won't have the best interests of the town in mind. But we don't know how many are playing for keeps, or if they are individuals or groups. We DO know that the scum are a group. (color removed) Link to ryjae's postThis post bothered me even more. "I'm not saying that all roles correspond with wiki, but I'm basing my assumption that CatinaSuit is playing for keeps based on what I read in the wiki." If the mods have openly stated that they wouldn't get grammar in role PMs break the game, what makes you think they would let wikipedia break the game? I don't know...I feel like the cavalier attitude towards "oh well, we can lose the Vig it's okay" is just bad. Plus, as Hockeymonkey said somewhere else, it's possible Cat has more powers than just being a Vig. I understand people voting for Cat because he hasn't explained sinjin well enough, but this...I dunno, it bugs me.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 27, 2008 22:45:30 GMT -5
Wow, sinjin, I read that the first time and didn't interpret it at all like that. But, now that you mention it, it seems more than a bit unorthadoxed. Why the heck is atarus saying people shouldn't drop the case against him. Reverse psychology? Trying to save somebody else's neck? Weird.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 27, 2008 22:47:36 GMT -5
molefan, just to comment on your vote, my thoughts are that TDlostTheSuperBowl has been acting odd, but I personally just think that's because he's new, and I'm getting used to his style. YMMV. (Your Mileage May Vary)
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Post by Death By Irony on Mar 28, 2008 0:11:11 GMT -5
One wonders if Cat and Zuma are lying about having restrictions, since no Mod came swooping in and retracting their powers a la NAF, or this is more Gadstardery. Still, Cat has claimed, so I don't mind waiting a Day/Night cycle to see what happens with him. I'm not feeling the atarus wagon, so I'm going to vote ryjae on the basis of my earlier FoS.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 28, 2008 2:59:17 GMT -5
Wow, sinjin, I read that the first time and didn't interpret it at all like that. But, now that you mention it, it seems more than a bit unorthadoxed. Why the heck is atarus saying people shouldn't drop the case against him. Reverse psychology? Trying to save somebody else's neck? Weird. I'm not trying to get myself lynched by what I said. My point was a few people were saying (this is a general paraphrasing) "I'm voting for CatinaSuit because it seems like it's the only case, but feel free to point me in another direction of somebody as scummy." It's like they completely forgot the case against me existed, they were just that eager to string up CatinaSuit. I found it a bit fishy. At this point, however, I feel like people are getting lazy. There's 30+ pages of data we have here...and now that CatinaSuit's claimed people are like..."eh, I'll review everything over the weekend, hey there's somewhat of a case against Atarus and I'm not feeling the CatinaSuit lynch, vote Atarus!" I feel like I've become the lynch wagon of convenience. Like Mt. Everest, I am here so I must be lynched. (Isn't that how that quote goes?)Before that, Atarus basically went for a full real-life day under heavy suspicion without anybody making any attempt to suggest a case against anybody else. That worries me a lot. There is no conclusive case against Atarus. I'm worried that I've helped to create a scapegoat here. You probably have. And not just a scum scapegoat but a town scapegoat too. I made one mistake and flubbed up. The only other real evidence is I was on the wrong side of the Kat lynch wagon (which I have explained why I voted diggit and not Kat...whether you think that's good reasoning or not is up to you). I guess there's also the mistaken gloating (which was not gloating, it was a joke) but that's about it. Oh and... I do know that I have reservations about the catwagon, and that Atarus made a flub, and was an early predictor of the scum having been supplied with fake claims, which I'm interpreting as being a symptom of his having received one of said fake claims. Vote AtarusI don't really see why this is particularly scummy. If I *were* scum why would I give away what could be the scum's biggest advantage in terms of role claiming? Furthermore, what good would it do me (if I were scum) to predict such a thing and then have it be true? I think if you look at me from a townie perspective, it makes more sense for me to throw out a prediction like that. I'm trying to help the town in the future by preparing them for possibilites of what the scum might have up their sleeve. Anyway, the point is I think I've become a scapegoat because people aren't comfortable with the CatinaSuit wagon because of his claim and other things, and I'm the "easy out" so to speak. I think there are probably scum pushing both wagons (as I'm a believer that CatinaSuit is town) and they probably don't care which of us is lynched because I'll bet a hundred bucks that whoever isn't lynched between the two of us (if we survive the Night, that is) will be a pretty big lynch target tomorrow as well. What else is there, then? Besides me and Cat? Well, I've already pointed out my misgivings about ryjae for so heavily encouraging the idea that wikipedia will tell us a good deal about what we need to know about character alignments. And I don't like the "it's only a Vig" attitude towards the lynch. Zuma's random outburst is also suspicious to me. I understand him being frustrated with the post restriction, but it just seems off to me. He seems to be implying that he's not going to be on the winning side since he says "at least my ass in the chair fress me to get into another game and still have a hope at winning this one." Why exactly does zuma think he'll have a better shot at winning if he's dead? Finally, something I'd like to consider...what exactly happened to the kassia bandwagon? At the end of yesterDay it was a three way race between CatinaSuit, kassia, and Kat. ToDay there's still been a whole bunch of suspicion on Cat (but that's more from him trying to off sinjin) but the kassia bandwagon just went *poof*. I'm not saying I'm suspicious of kassia in her new DBI skin tones, but why did all the people that voted for her suddenly drop her like 80s hair styles in the 90s? Who was on the kassia bandwagon? In addition to Kat...zuma, Ryjae, Hal Briston, and Klutz Sensitive. (I suppose Darth Klutz or Captain Sensitive would be more appropriate, wouldn't it.) Klutz cleverly switches to Kat right before the deadline because "she's in the lead." Ooo. And he awkwardly votes kassia very near the end of the Day with a simple "I find her pursuit of the masons suspicious." To break the tie in favor of kassia's lynch. The other three's reasonings...zuma was playing a rousing game of "Pin the Lynch on the Lurker." Ryjae notes the "flimsy evidence" of her pursuit of the Masons. Hal Briston both says he's comfortable voting for a lurker and kassia's the most suspicious lurker because of her pursuit of the Masons. I feel like of the three bandwagons, kassia's was the one that was on the shakiest ground. I find Captain Klutz's actions to be the most suspicious at the end of the day, because he seemed to be the biggest piggybacker. Not only voting for kassia just for reasons already stated by others, but then switching to Kat at the end just because she was in the lead. However, there isn't enough information on Captain Sensitive in Day Two for me to feel completely comfortable voting to lynch him. Ryjae, however, I am comfortable with voting for. Why? Because it's twice now his last vote (presumably, as he seems pretty set on leaving his vote on CatinaSuit as far as I can tell) is based on what he calls "flimsy evidence." He says it in the post he votes for kassia, and he says it in defending his vote for CatinaSuit. It's like he's trying to distance himself from the reasoning of the lynch in case the person he's voting for turns up town. Furthermore, when he goes through listing his thoughts on everybody in an earlier Day Two post, kassia/DBI is simply labelled "neutral." He's completely dropped his suspicion of her without any explanation. Put that on top of the suspicion I've already had of him using wikipedia color to justify his opinion on a person's alignment, and I'm good to go. Vote ryjaeNow that that's all taken care of, I'm going to make a separate post where I put out my role-claim just for easier quoting and reading.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 28, 2008 3:13:25 GMT -5
Okay, so now here I am about to role claim because right now it's a two-horse race between me and CatinaSuit. Rather that make everybody scramble at the last minute, I figure I'll at least give people the time to hash out whether you believe what I'm saying. I'm also doing it now instead of later in the day because...well, I have 5 votes already and a few more people have said they're leaning towards me.
The problem is...well, my role-claim is not very me-friendly. Let's just get to it.
So yeah. Here I am, role-claiming a role that's usually handed out to the scummy scum. I'm not scum. I am town, my role is exactly what it says there. I can tell you who I blocked last Night if you really want to know, and my reasoning for doing it as well.
This is one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of trusting the wiki canon completely, as from what I read on Clayface he's primarily a shapeshifter in terms of the Batman canon. You'd think Mr. Freeze would get the roleblocking ability instead, but nope, it's just me.
Furthermore, I don't know HOW Bastard-moddy our mods are, but there have been several different Clayfaces, as in completely different people in the same universe. (I'm not talking Adam West Batman vs. Christian Bale Batman here, I'm saying that there have been multiple identities of Clayface in a storyline. There's one arc where three Clayfaces team up together, I think.) The point being, I don't think the mods would be dastardly enough to hand out TWO different Clayface roles (the primary difference being I'm the Basil Karlo rendition, and somebody else is another one) but I'm sure Hal could clear that up if he really needs to from his list.
Anyway, there you go. That's me.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 28, 2008 4:00:22 GMT -5
Well, I roleclaimed yesterday to try and avoid the situation we are having now.
You know, give the town 24 hours to digest what I had to say and hopefully not rush into a random lynch of someone if I roleclaim with a couple of hours left and everyone decides to pile on someone else, unlikely though it may be.
Hoopy Frood: I didn't mention the part about the single SK because it has not been foremost in my mind toDay. I'm sure you can understand why.
sinjin: In answer to your question, in brief.
Drain Bead: I discounted because of the end condition reveal, she didn't have to do it and it was very likely to get her lynched. It may have been because I spotted it early on. ryjae: because as I commented he looked more like a confused newbie than a scum. storyteller: The part between him and Koldanar made me think he was pro-town, especially after Koldanar's demise at the end of Day 1. Hawkeyeop: I'm annoyed with myself for missing, because looking back over his posts, I should have picked up on that last one of the Day. Rysto and Brewha: Probably the size of post counts I would have had to trawl through.
Probably not satisfactory to you, but that's it.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 28, 2008 4:25:23 GMT -5
I don't believe it, but I am going have to go and agree with sinjin about brewha. Still not sure where I stand with CIAS. Pro town or not, a vig that has to kill every night is a danger. I'm not saying that CIAS is scum for sure, I'm just saying that I'd rather him take the chair than accidentally kill town every night. Maybe we could have someone make his powers not work? Somehow 'freeze' him at night? (yeah I suck at this cloak and dagger hinting shit). This kind of indicates, he did not read my role PM as posted and would happily lynch me regardless. Cookies responds with the following. brewha: According to the alleged PM that Cat quoted, I'm not seeing that a night kill target is a requirement. It says that he "may" select a target to kill every night. and brewha responds with this: Well, if that's true, Either CIAS or Sinjin needs a lynchin'. I could see CIAS make an attack on Sinjin if he had to kill and those clues were the best he had to go on. Or if CIAS has some inside info on Sinjin that proves that he is scum. But, if CIAS made an attempt on Sinjin based only on the rather flimsy evidence he has expressed, then he is a danger to us and needs to claim his role and lose his vig status or just die. The underlined part means something is up. I had already roleclaimed Why would he be asking for me to claim my role?? It also has a nice "either or" statement about who to kill. I cannot think of a single reason to lynch sinjin at this point in time. She did what her role was meant to do. It just caught me instead of a Do-Gooder. This combined with his reasoning for his original vote for me on Day 1, as in he got it wrong when asked, makes me think he is scum. He is definitely not Town because otherwise why would he want to lynch a Town player tonight, either me or sinjin. So for me vote brewha
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 28, 2008 7:11:39 GMT -5
The point being, I don't think the mods would be dastardly enough to hand out TWO different Clayface roles (the primary difference being I'm the Basil Karlo rendition, and somebody else is another one) but I'm sure Hal could clear that up if he really needs to from his list. Right you are...I've got one -- and only one -- Clayface on the list. As has become my Friday standard, I'll be back with a vote on the table before noon. *Mod-ified: deleted double post*
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Post by 'Guest' on Mar 28, 2008 8:01:02 GMT -5
I can tell you who I blocked last Night if you really want to know, and my reasoning for doing it as well. I think this might be useful in confirming you are who you say you are.
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Post by Hawkmod on Mar 28, 2008 8:02:14 GMT -5
The above was me.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 8:23:55 GMT -5
There's clearly a spy in the Asylum.
Vote Guest.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 9:12:23 GMT -5
Hoopy Frood: I didn't mention the part about the single SK because it has not been foremost in my mind toDay. I'm sure you can understand why. Yep. I figured it was something like that. I just wondered if there was a strategic reason for doing so that I was missing.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 28, 2008 9:52:15 GMT -5
All right. I am safely ensconced at work, far from home improvement projects finished and un-, and am ready to contribute something substantive. To do so will require substantial re-reading, which I will do presently.
In the meanwhile, though, I'd like to point out that at present, the plurality of the group's votes are on a player who has claimed a pro-Town role that is almost surely in the game and that has not been counterclaimed. The only reasoning I have seen to justify this is that "we lynch killers as policy," which is both not historically true and bad policy.
My focus on the latter half of this Day is going to be on the people voting for CatinaSuit. I currently believe there is about an 60% chance that he is Town, a 30% chance that he is a free agent enemy of the Town, and a 10% chance that he is a Do-Gooder. What that means is that, given that he can (or could, before he was forced to clai) kill, I think there's a 90% chance that the Do-Gooders want him dead. One of them voted for Cat, I'll bet my awesome New York Giants labeled multipurpose utility tool on it.
Re: atarus - anyone else plan to claim pro-Town roleblocker? That would simplify matters considerably.
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