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Post by ryjae on Mar 31, 2008 9:14:38 GMT -5
Just a quick post to let you guys know I'm subbin' in for zuma. Looks like it will take a while to get caught up, so... be patient, I'll try to get in some posts when I've figured out what's going on. You're coming in at a bad time, zuma already admitted to being the bat. Welcome to hell er I mean Arkham Asylum. We have a chair and everything. I just don't recommend sitting down on it.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 31, 2008 9:16:59 GMT -5
BlaM, are you Batman? Don't lie, please.
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Post by zuma on Mar 31, 2008 9:18:48 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently I "crossed a line". How pathetically dramatic. I should never have been subbed out, but I subbed out for you in one game, BM, so good luck. Roosh and Dio are the crappiest, most rude mods ever. If you saw the rude shit they sent me... Whatever. Roosh and Dio can go fuck themselves. Apparently I said it again. Oh no, I told the mods to go fuck themselves again! Good luck, BM Until next game...
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 31, 2008 9:20:01 GMT -5
Wow. This whole time I thought zuma was joking.
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Post by ryjae on Mar 31, 2008 9:24:40 GMT -5
Wow. This whole time I thought zuma was joking. You had one on me, because I thought he was under some post restriction to post like he was crazy. I guess he was just crazy. ;D On a serious note, I hope all is well zuma I seen some references to RL angst and hope you are okay.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 31, 2008 9:41:42 GMT -5
Wow. This whole time I thought zuma was joking. I think I thought the same thing. At least I thought he was mostly joking. Jeez. Hi, BlaM. Welcome to the game. I'll give you a couple of hours before I start braying to the world that you're probably scum.
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Post by zuma on Mar 31, 2008 10:03:45 GMT -5
The mods can go fuck themselves, story, jokes: 0
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 31, 2008 10:06:50 GMT -5
Hey, I'm back and all moved into my new place. It's AWESOME! but the phone company screwed up the instilation of the DSL line so it will be a few days before I can get internet at home. Catching up I will probably multipost as I respond to things in the order I see them. NAF, any idea if you still have to worry about sharks? I think whatever was going to happen to me was supposed to happen last Night (I think). The mods told me that my punishment would be resolved after the end of the Day, so maybe Mr. Freeze saved me with his Night action? I don't really know, they aren't giving me straight answers.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2008 10:24:18 GMT -5
Once again, have you read Firefly yet? Yes it was interesting. And I might add, totally and completely irrelevant to this game. *bangs head against wall again and again and again and again* That's the problem isn't it? You all think because another game did this or that or another thing you can be safe in assuming this game will follow some path. Seems to me like you're being a bit willfully obtuse in this matter. The reason people are loathe to trust the color is because we don't feel safe in that trust. A very compelling reason why that trust is not readily available for many playing is the Firefly set up. Not only was there chocolate in the peanut butter in that game (with members of the crew being scum, and whatnot) but the fake name-claims that were provided to myself and Klutz were definite gray areas that could've been perceived either way, and you can bet that Klutz and I leveraged that ambiguity to our favor. My curiosity has also been pinged about you on another topic, ryjae. I'm very curious about your references to poison back on Day 1. So far we've seen two arguably poison-related deaths, with a very Joker flavor to them. These Day kills have been both a blessing (killing Cat) and a curse (killing Koldanar), with quite possibly PFK motives. Could it be that you are the Joker or within his faction, and this poison reference is a newbie slip born from inside information as to the Joker's killing dynamics in this game? Could you be so intent on advocating the blind faith in the color because the Joker is quite possibly the most recognizable "baddie" in the Batman canon?
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 31, 2008 10:25:05 GMT -5
ok, so, ryjae's logic is flawed. He doesn't seem to see it, and seems to have a bad case of confirmation bias. YesterDay I was inclined to think that was scummy as hell, toDay...sigh, I think he is just new. It gives me a headache since he doesn't seem to understand that just because that type of analysis works on a few people doesn't mean it will work on all of them. I also still think that the mods could have made players several different alignments without violating the character's color. That is the part that I think he is missing. That is the big reason why that analysis wouldn't work.
But I think it is going to be a dead end pursuing ryjae.
I think scum were on both the CIAS bandwagon as well as the Atarus one, neither one of them were Do-Gooders so my feeling is that the scum were happy to get either of them killed. Both were threats to the Do Gooders.
We also shouldn't assume that all the PFK's are dead now that we killed Hush (I don't know that anyone was, but I haven't seen anyone mention it so I figured I would.) I was thinking about the game this weekend while I was moving and it occurred to me that there would either need to be an insane number of Do Gooders or at least 3 more PFK's for the game to have any semblance of balance.
That's all my thoughts for now.
Also, vote BlaM
because I don't have a clear suspect yet and I think recent events with zuma tell me that he isn't a Baddie. Metagamey as hell? Yes, but I don't think we should worry about that now.
Sorry to put you in this situation right out of the gate BlaM, but I don't know why zuma would have left thinking that he was losing the game if he was a Baddie. We seem to be doing fairly well.
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Post by ryjae on Mar 31, 2008 10:40:43 GMT -5
Yes it was interesting. And I might add, totally and completely irrelevant to this game. *bangs head against wall again and again and again and again* That's the problem isn't it? You all think because another game did this or that or another thing you can be safe in assuming this game will follow some path. Seems to me like you're being a bit willfully obtuse in this matter. The reason people are loathe to trust the color is because we don't feel safe in that trust. A very compelling reason why that trust is not readily available for many playing is the Firefly set up. Not only was there chocolate in the peanut butter in that game (with members of the crew being scum, and whatnot) but the fake name-claims that were provided to myself and Klutz were definite gray areas that could've been perceived either way, and you can bet that Klutz and I leveraged that ambiguity to our favor. My curiosity has also been pinged about you on another topic, ryjae. I'm very curious about your references to poison back on Day 1. So far we've seen two arguably poison-related deaths, with a very Joker flavor to them. These Day kills have been both a blessing (killing Cat) and a curse (killing Koldanar), with quite possibly PFK motives. Could it be that you are the Joker or within his faction, and this poison reference is a newbie slip born from inside information as to the Joker's killing dynamics in this game? Could you be so intent on advocating the blind faith in the color because the Joker is quite possibly the most recognizable "baddie" in the Batman canon? No not the Joker, or in his group unless he is a town vig. Then I would have to say yes I am in his group. Where oh the fudge where do I say use blind faith in the wiki color? ? I say use it as a tool, a guide and guess what? That guide has been right more times than not. (FIVE OUTTA FIVE!!!!!) So yes using it makes more sense to town than not using it. Of course we can only use it on the roles we know. And they can be cover roles so worthless to that extent. But it is worthwhile to use, more worthwhile than blindly following a minor mistake. No where ever did I say the wiki color would be perfect every time all the time. But it should be something we use. Alongside everything else. As I stated repeatedly yesterDay I based it on not just the color but the loose cannon vig. Of course I used some of my extra knowledge for that, but it still makes sense without having that lil' tidbit. It was an addition to (the wiki color) not the only thing. And it should be used! You're trying to modify my argument for yourself, I don't like that. At all.
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Post by ryjae on Mar 31, 2008 10:50:26 GMT -5
ok, so, ryjae's logic is flawed. He doesn't seem to see it, and seems to have a bad case of confirmation bias. YesterDay I was inclined to think that was scummy as hell, toDay...sigh, I think he is just new. It gives me a headache since he doesn't seem to understand that just because that type of analysis works on a few people doesn't mean it will work on all of them. I also still think that the mods could have made players several different alignments without violating the character's color. That is the part that I think he is missing. That is the big reason why that analysis wouldn't work. But I think it is going to be a dead end pursuing ryjae. I think scum were on both the CIAS bandwagon as well as the Atarus one, neither one of them were Do-Gooders so my feeling is that the scum were happy to get either of them killed. Both were threats to the Do Gooders. We also shouldn't assume that all the PFK's are dead now that we killed Hush (I don't know that anyone was, but I haven't seen anyone mention it so I figured I would.) I was thinking about the game this weekend while I was moving and it occurred to me that there would either need to be an insane number of Do Gooders or at least 3 more PFK's for the game to have any semblance of balance. That's all my thoughts for now. Also, vote BlaMbecause I don't have a clear suspect yet and I think recent events with zuma tell me that he isn't a Baddie. Metagamey as hell? Yes, but I don't think we should worry about that now. Sorry to put you in this situation right out of the gate BlaM, but I don't know why zuma would have left thinking that he was losing the game if he was a Baddie. We seem to be doing fairly well. Although I disagree with your assessment of my reasoning, I do agree with your assessment on zuma/BlaM. I hate to jump on this small thing, but you're right zuma if town, was doing alright. We fried a scum right away. (not using anything from yesterDay as that seemed to be when the posts went whack) But I'll wait for BlaM to come in and say some more as zumas posts where random and odd toward the end. So for now FoS on BlaM
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2008 10:53:54 GMT -5
Seems to me like you're being a bit willfully obtuse in this matter. The reason people are loathe to trust the color is because we don't feel safe in that trust. A very compelling reason why that trust is not readily available for many playing is the Firefly set up. Not only was there chocolate in the peanut butter in that game (with members of the crew being scum, and whatnot) but the fake name-claims that were provided to myself and Klutz were definite gray areas that could've been perceived either way, and you can bet that Klutz and I leveraged that ambiguity to our favor. My curiosity has also been pinged about you on another topic, ryjae. I'm very curious about your references to poison back on Day 1. So far we've seen two arguably poison-related deaths, with a very Joker flavor to them. These Day kills have been both a blessing (killing Cat) and a curse (killing Koldanar), with quite possibly PFK motives. Could it be that you are the Joker or within his faction, and this poison reference is a newbie slip born from inside information as to the Joker's killing dynamics in this game? Could you be so intent on advocating the blind faith in the color because the Joker is quite possibly the most recognizable "baddie" in the Batman canon? No not the Joker, or in his group unless he is a town vig. Then I would have to say yes I am in his group. Where oh the fudge where do I say use blind faith in the wiki color? ? I say use it as a tool, a guide and guess what? That guide has been right more times than not. (FIVE OUTTA FIVE!!!!!) So yes using it makes more sense to town than not using it. Of course we can only use it on the roles we know. And they can be cover roles so worthless to that extent. But it is worthwhile to use, more worthwhile than blindly following a minor mistake. No where ever did I say the wiki color would be perfect every time all the time. But it should be something we use. Alongside everything else. As I stated repeatedly yesterDay I based it on not just the color but the loose cannon vig. Of course I used some of my extra knowledge for that, but it still makes sense without having that lil' tidbit. It was an addition to (the wiki color) not the only thing. And it should be used! You're trying to modify my argument for yourself, I don't like that. At all. How else can this tool be leveraged other than using color to justify when to give the benefit of the doubt and when not to give it?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2008 10:57:11 GMT -5
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Mar 31, 2008 11:00:09 GMT -5
Looking at who made Atarus ride the electric slide is on my agenda toDay. His mistake was so minor and all the circumstantial evidence against CiAS added up to more IMHO. Yet Atarus was led by a bandwagon to his demise. Scum knew Atarus was town and wanted him dead for that. So it's very likely scum are in this group. MHaye,Brewha,storyteller,TheDarkSmurf,Rysto,NAF1138,Hoopy Frood,Cookies,Hal Briston,HockeyMonkey Both you and Darth Sensitive have said some variation on this, and I'd like to point out that your reasoning is flawed. The scum didn't know any more about atarus then they did about CatinaSuit; Cat's color indicates that he was a Serial Killer. All the scum knew yesterDay was that they had two non-scum on the bandwagon. I know it's self-serving to say this, since I voted for atarus, but the fact that a player voted for atarus over Cat is not, in and of itself, a meaningful indicator of scum status. Other than that, though, I don't know what to think. Hoopy Frood is probably Town; other than that I got nothing. I don't think I'll find any especially good clues as to who scum are in the atarus wagon - but I think there will be other PFKs (I'm assuming they're in a group, because I can't quite figure how they would all have individual win conditions - but the idea does need to be thought about.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 31, 2008 11:08:23 GMT -5
I let the wiki color influence me to the point that I didn't think CIAS was a threat. I obviously did think he was one or I wouldn't have investigated him in the first place. I just wish my dark side had taken over and I had killed him. Yay for Hoopy freezing everything last night, but boo for me not getting any results.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Mar 31, 2008 11:08:34 GMT -5
Once again, have you read Firefly yet? Yes it was interesting. And I might add, totally and completely irrelevant to this game. *bangs head against wall again and again and again and again* That's the problem isn't it? You all think because another game did this or that or another thing you can be safe in assuming this game will follow some path. I'm sorry, but this is an error. What it shows is an example of how to avoid breaking the game. If the mods followed your philosophy of designing the roles to exactly match the colour of the characters, then the entire game would be broken by everyone stating their rolename on Day 1. Firefly has many aspects in common with this game, which is why people refer to it a lot. Disregarding the lessons of experience is a sure route to repeating mistakes. You mean, just like I did in Firefly? When everyone was convinced that Reavers had to be a scum group, but weren't? Yes, something like that. My opinion is that my role's powers are not the best fit possible to my character name's colour. The powers are justifiable, but they are not the role I'd have given my character if I wanted the closest fit between colour and roles. (At least, from the point of view of someone who's acquaintance with the Batman canon is the 60's TV show - oh, and the first Batman movie - neither of which feature this particular villain). My assessment is that he's definitely in opposition to Batman, and that is in line with the majority of the Wiki colour.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 31, 2008 11:08:37 GMT -5
Cookies:
I am not understanding this arguement at all Cookies. How were the deaths of Koldanar and Cat poison-related? Koldanar was electrocuted and Cat was killed with piano wire.
From Koldanar's death scene:
From Cat's death scene:
Also, does anyone have anything to say about brewha's funky posts late yesterDay?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 31, 2008 11:17:22 GMT -5
I think the piano wire was the same wire CatInA used to try to kill you last Night, but yeah, not getting the poison thing either.
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Post by zuma on Mar 31, 2008 11:28:14 GMT -5
The fact that we have shitty mods who could not give me the time of day, much less let me know I've been replaced, should not let you assume that I was batman.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 31, 2008 12:31:15 GMT -5
The fact that we have shitty mods who could not give me the time of day, much less let me know I've been replaced, should not let you assume that I was batman. What exactly were they supposed to do? You took your ball and went home. They couldn't PM you because you deleted your account. Dio posted asking you to email or PM him or reinstate your account. I'm sorry zuma, I like you, but you were/are being an ass and I think they did the only thing they could do in the given situation.
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Post by RoOsh on Mar 31, 2008 13:33:08 GMT -5
Is the Board Down? Because it's lonely in here
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Post by Merestil Haye on Mar 31, 2008 15:06:34 GMT -5
I was unable to get onto the board when I got in about 80 minutes ago. It's only just come back up.
The various little symbols are still not available.
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Post by ryjae on Mar 31, 2008 16:03:34 GMT -5
It's working right now.... *crosses fingers*
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 31, 2008 16:03:59 GMT -5
I'd planned on making the announcement that zuma had been replaced by Blaster Master this morning. Unfortunately, I've only just been able to log onto the boards (due to the outages that have been mentioned above). All of ProBoards seemed to be having problems.
I should add that zuma was not replaced because he claimed to be Batman (he's not), nor because he violated his post restriction (which he didn't have), nor because he told the mods to fuck themselves (which they haven't done. Or, at least, I haven't). He was replaced for deleting his account during the end of a Day. Please do not delete your account ,even if you have intentions of setting it back up: during the time it's deleted, the mods can't contact you, and other players can't search your posts.
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Post by Death By Irony on Mar 31, 2008 16:14:33 GMT -5
Claims: *NAF1138, molefan1981, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Mason (Day 1) *Zuma - Joe Chill (Day 1), had a weird post restriction on Day 2 that he then violated *Hoopy Frood - Mr. Freeze (Day 1), rolename and one-shot activity confirmed on Night 2 *storyteller0910 - Poison Ivy (Day 1) *sinjin - Tough Guy (Day 2) *Hockymonkey - Cop/Vig, has a 50% chance of either a rolename investigation or a kill (Day 2)
Other: *Hal claims to have a list of characters who may or may not be in the game *Drain Bead has a posting restriction (must substitute all instances of the letter b with the letter g) *NAF1138 claims to have been attacked on Night 1 (and was temporarily made shark resistant on Day 2) *Pygmy rugger claims his role PM states that both Batman and Robin are Do-Gooders
Welcome to the game, BlaM. Did you inherit any of zuma's PMs? If so, would you be willing to share what the heck happened yesterDay?
I've done some thinking, and I'm now of the opinion that ryjae's insistence that color has relevance to abilities feels less scummy and more like badlogic (because I don't really see scum being this attached to ideas that have been shot down so many times).
I'm back and forth on Hoopy Frood's alignment. With so many other crazy roles in this game, it's not entirely impossible that there'd be two pro-Town roleblockers, but it doesn't seem likely. Until I have some time to go through my notes again, vote Hoopy Frood.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Mar 31, 2008 17:47:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately I am about to get super busy at work for a day or two, but will endeavour to keep up my posting levels up.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 31, 2008 18:36:47 GMT -5
No one else has anything to say? Come on people, I got nothing here. Someone needs to talk.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 31, 2008 19:15:25 GMT -5
Well NAF, how do you feel about brewha? And Cookies what's up with the poison arguements? I will be more vocal tomorrow when I have more time.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 31, 2008 19:21:09 GMT -5
No one else has anything to say? Come on people, I got nothing here. Someone needs to talk. It's probably just a bit of fatigue from the first two days on people's parts. That combined with an uneventful night, means there's not really much new to talk about. However, it does give prime opportunity to fine-tooth comb the first two days events and rehash what we know. Besides, we can always cook and eat the shark, just watch out for mercury poisoning.
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