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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 8, 2008 10:43:53 GMT -5
It seems solid to me, with the caveat that if BLaM continues to ping my scumdar as hard as he and his predecessor have, I would support moving him up in front of ryjae.
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Post by Hawkmod on Apr 8, 2008 10:54:15 GMT -5
Why would Blaster's alignment confirm Ryjae as town?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 8, 2008 10:55:12 GMT -5
Why would Blaster's alignment confirm Ryjae as town? It wouldn't. Where have I said anything of the sort?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 8, 2008 10:56:55 GMT -5
Just to elaborate in anticipation of a reply: my contention is that if we kill ryjae, we will learn ryjae's alignment and powers.
If he was pro-Town, then you're lying to us now and must die.
If he could read minds, then there's a good chance he's telling the truth about Blaster (he could lie, but to what end?).
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 8, 2008 10:59:17 GMT -5
I guess we could reorder this. Now that ryjae has revealed what he has revealed about BlaM, lynching ryjae actually might supply us with more information than lynching drainbead will (it will tell us if ry was really town, affecting our perspective on hawk, and whether he can read minds, affecting our perspective on BlaM). Thoughts? I think you might be right. Damn, I am not really sure what the best course of action is. It seems wrong to not lynch a Do Gooder when the opportunity presents itself, at the same time we kind of need to figure out what the heck is going on with Ryjae. We also need to decide that if ryjae is a PFK that it doesn't take BlaM off the hook.
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Post by Hawkmod on Apr 8, 2008 11:10:59 GMT -5
It wouldn't. Where have I said anything of the sort? It says that if you read it backwards. I read it as you wanting to lynch Blaster Master to determine Ryjae's role, rather than the other way around. So, disregard that comment. I'm okay with lynching Ryjae. Mostly because I'm sure I'm being truthful, and I cannot be sure Hal is.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 8, 2008 11:17:41 GMT -5
Sounds like a solid plan to me, story. If drain turns out to be The Ventriloquist, then fuck it -- my power will have been a joke and I might as well vote for myself.
I would propose one thing, though:
You (story) haven't said much about your role, and that's fine. Because of that, the rest of this is going to be based on pure supposition. Going by flavor, I think you have one of two powers: 1) You have a one-shot nightkill ability, or 2) you have a percentage change nightkill ability. Poison Ivy kills with a kiss, so it's not a long stretch to think you're able to kill.
If I'm correct on this, then I would suggest puckering up to ryjae tonight. We're hitting a major clusterfuck here, and we're getting to the point of having a lot of "if x then y" situations. We can untangle this knot a lot quicker if we're doing two things at once.
Feel free to respond, not respond, confirm, deny, or tell me to go scratch -- whatever you like on this one. Like I said, it's all guesswork, but I'm thinking it'd be good to clear out an extra suspect if at all possible.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 8, 2008 11:27:06 GMT -5
I don't think we need to lynch BlaM toDay. Based on the post by Dio and the sharkcicle coming after NAF on Night 2, I think there's a good chance BlaM will be shark kibble by Tomorrow morning.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 8, 2008 11:36:27 GMT -5
And if he is mysteriously and miraculously not attacked by a shark, I'll be back to wondering if he was targeted with the cannister of repellent by his own faction for the express purpose of buying him time to wreak more havoc on the Baddies, or that the Gastards are just toying with us over the whole shark thing.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 12:03:34 GMT -5
vote Blaster Master You wearing a nice hat toDay BlaM, yes I know you are. Thought I just got today It's either you or DB and I don't see anyone off DB. I'm not going to defend myself against mothballs claims his lies will be discovered upon my death. So it is one for one. I am town, but only way to be sure is slicing me open. Either me or the Moth have to die, I'd rather it be him but looks like BlaM and Hoopy are acting like I am PFK or scum. Bad move but at least you all can see who wants me dead. :cough: Color me :cough: perplexed. I fail :cough: to see how this indicts me :cough: in anyway. For the sake of :cough: full disclosure, I did :cough: receive a hat last Night. I specifically decided :cough: not to reveal that I was wearing one for two reasons. First, I was :cough: waiting to see in what way you would :cough: go about trying revealing it. Second, I received :cough: the information through two different PMs, :cough: one from each moderator, and one :cough: reveals specific information about my powers that I have not yet :cough: made public. However, I was unsure if you :cough: received the exact same PM that :cough: I did or not, but it would also explain :cough: why you would want me dead now since, if you :cough: are a Mad gomger type, then my :cough: powers are even more dangerous for :cough: you than they are :cough: to the scum. Thus, considering that this :cough: revelation pretty much assures to me that you :cough: DID get information about my power and :cough: why you'd want me dead now, it also seems to :cough: confirm for me that you :cough: are a Mad gomger. So, I'll revise my :cough: previous vote, and I agree with storyteller's lynch plan, because I :cough: don't think you're likely to be an :cough: immediate threat between :cough: Tonight and :cough: Tomorrow.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 12:05:21 GMT -5
:cough: Oops... :cough:
I forgot :cough: to adjust my vote :cough: at the end of that :cough: last post. So, here it :cough: goes:
Unvote Ryjae Vote Drain Gead
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 8, 2008 12:05:21 GMT -5
You ( story) haven't said much about your role, and that's fine. Because of that, the rest of this is going to be based on pure supposition. Going by flavor, I think you have one of two powers: 1) You have a one-shot nightkill ability, or 2) you have a percentage change nightkill ability. Poison Ivy kills with a kiss, so it's not a long stretch to think you're able to kill. If I'm correct on this, then I would suggest puckering up to ryjae tonight. We're hitting a major clusterfuck here, and we're getting to the point of having a lot of "if x then y" situations. We can untangle this knot a lot quicker if we're doing two things at once. Taken under advisement. For obvious reasons, I will not make my powers explicit - there are certain complicating factors, as has been frequently the case, eh? - but I will say that the events of toDay have clarified the most appropriate course of action for me to take toNight.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 8, 2008 12:09:32 GMT -5
Additionally, as far as blocking the shark, I don't think I can. When I did the "Big Freeze!", the shark hadn't even crossed my mind. I had actually forgotten about it, since I figured it was a day thing in the beginning, and it wasn't until the Day 3 intro text that I realized that I had inadvertantly killed it. Now this is the specific wording of the role section of my PM:
That's it. I have to submit a player's name, not a character's. Unless we discover that someone here is really Great White Shark (who is on Hal's list, IIRC), in which case we have a Baddie with a Baddie covername (since very claimant has had a Baddie name so far), there's not much I can do to block the shark directly. (Now if the shark is being tossed out by somebody else I can block them, but I still have no clue who it is.)
Unless, of course, the mods inform me otherwise.[/b]
Incidentally, since BM is pinging me big time anyway at this point, I probably wouldn't block it even if I could.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 12:13:40 GMT -5
It seems solid to me, with the caveat that if BLaM continues to ping my scumdar as hard as he and his predecessor have, I would support moving him up in front of ryjae. You keep :cough: saying this but I'm :cough: not really sure how I can :cough: show you any better :cough: that I'm not scum, particularly if you :cough: don't point out exactly what it is. The only :cough: thing that you pointed out was :cough: my thought about lynching Ryjae first, but I put my reasoning out as :cough: transparently as I could and :cough: storyteller and I were :cough: having a discussion about :cough: it.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 8, 2008 12:16:07 GMT -5
Uhh..very = every. Don't ask me how I typoed that one.
Anyway, for information, how exactly does a Mad Bomber work?
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Post by brewha on Apr 8, 2008 12:17:28 GMT -5
Blam, why are you still coughing?
If you are required to as a post restriction that's fine, but I thought your shark proofness was revoked.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 12:21:15 GMT -5
And if he is mysteriously and miraculously not attacked by a shark, I'll be back to wondering if he was targeted with the cannister of repellent by his own faction for the express purpose of buying him time to wreak more havoc on the Baddies, or that the Gastards are just toying with us over the whole shark thing. Wow :cough: Cookies, you have a :cough: serious case of :cough: confirmation bias going on here. I'm sure it's :cough: possible that, if I were :cough: scum, they could have gassed me. But what you're :cough: talking about is a WIFOM scenario. Was I :cough: gassed to make me look townie because I'm :cough: really scum, or was I gassed to :cough: make me look scummy because I'm really :cough: town. I don't know how you can :cough: discern it either way, so I :cough: don't think it's fair to use it to either indict or :cough: vindicate me. This is why I'd :cough: hoped Hal would investigate me last Night to :cough: eliminate all this confirmation bias that :cough: zuma had built up.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 12:23:55 GMT -5
Blam, why are you still coughing? If you are required to as a post restriction that's fine, but I thought your shark proofness was revoked. I'm :cough: no longer shark proof but :cough: I received no indication that my :cough: posting restriction was :cough: over beyond that. So, I'd rather :cough: be safe than :cough: sorry and keep it up. :cough:
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 12:28:15 GMT -5
Uhh..very = every. Don't ask me how I typoed that one. Anyway, for information, how exactly does a Mad gomger work? A Mad Bomber tends to work like :cough: this. Each night he :cough: picks a person at random and puts a :cough: bomb on him. If at :cough: any time, the number of living people with :cough: bombs on them ever exceeds the :cough: number of living people without bombs, the Mad :cough: Bomber blows up all the bombs and :cough: wins exclusive to everyone else. Sometimes the :cough: town is made aware of who has a :cough: bomb, and sometimes they aren't. But this is why :cough: storyteller was arguing that he's not a threat and why I :cough: now, aware that his thought that he :cough: supposedly got from me looks completely made up, it looks like the :cough: mind reading is purely fictitious which he has :cough: been using to try to support his own ends.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 8, 2008 12:37:49 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity...is anyone else taking all of BLaM's posts, C&Ping them into Notepad, and then running a Find & Replace to remove all the coughing?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 8, 2008 12:39:38 GMT -5
It is the timing of your gassing that has me concerned. It came the morning after you narrowly escaped getting lynched instead of CIAS. You were not an obvious threat to the Bat Team, so if they can choose who to target as such, it makes less sense to me for them to have picked you, unless they were picking you in the hopes of delaying suspicion because you're one of them. And, as I said previously, I'm also wondering if the cannister is somehow randomly directed towards a target.
NAF's precedent also weighs into this. He I know is town, and was targeted after painting a big target on his back after claiming to be a Mason on Day 1. And he had a frozen shark on his doorstep after loosing whatever repellent protection he might have. So, if a shark does not show up somewhere over Night, or somehow you are not the target of said shark, I fail to see how it is poor play on my part to consider such things as not being points in your favor.
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Post by Hawkmod on Apr 8, 2008 12:48:29 GMT -5
Uhh..very = every. Don't ask me how I typoed that one. Anyway, for information, how exactly does a Mad gomger work? A Mad gomger tends to work like :cough: this. Each night he :cough: picks a person at random and puts a :cough: bomb on him. If at :cough: any time, the number of living people with :cough: bombs on them ever exceeds the :cough: number of living people without bombs, the Mad :cough: gomger blows up all the bombs and :cough: wins exclusive to everyone else. Sometimes the :cough: town is made aware of who has a :cough: bomb, and sometimes they aren't. But this is why :cough: storyteller was arguing that he's not a threat and why I :cough: now, aware that his thought that he :cough: supposedly got from me looks completely made up, it looks like the :cough: mind reading is purely fictitious which he has :cough: been using to try to support his own ends. If that is the case, why is The Mad Hatter hatting people on the lynching block?
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 8, 2008 12:51:10 GMT -5
Hal - I'm not. Just reading them and mentally filtering it.
My thoughts: lynch DB today (though I could be convinced to swap to ryjae )
Any town night killers remove the other one at night.
Next morning evaluate the info.
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Post by brewha on Apr 8, 2008 13:16:53 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity...is anyone else taking all of BLaM's posts, C&Ping them into Notepad, and then running a Find & Replace to remove all the coughing? No. That's just silly. I'm using MSWord.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 8, 2008 13:20:39 GMT -5
To continue with the topping, I wrote a script to filter them.
(not really)
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 8, 2008 13:25:12 GMT -5
To make sure I'm clear, an alternate perspective being advanced is that the Mad Hatter is actually installing bombs upon the heads of people, and he has no mind-reading abilities at all? I thought we had some sort of confirmation that mind-reading had indeed taken place, or am I mistaken? Mind-reading and bombs in one player seems to much power for one role.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 13:34:13 GMT -5
It is the timing of your gassing that has me concerned. It came the morning after you narrowly escaped getting lynched instead of CIAS. You were not an obvious threat to the Bat Team, so if they can choose who to target as such, it makes less sense to me for them to have picked you, unless they were picking you in the hopes of delaying suspicion because you're one of them. And, as I said previously, I'm also wondering if the cannister is somehow randomly directed towards a target. NAF's precedent also weighs into this. He I know is town, and was targeted after painting a big target on his back after claiming to be a Mason on Day 1. And he had a frozen shark on his doorstep after loosing whatever repellent protection he might have. So, if a shark does not show up somewhere over Night, or somehow you are not the target of said shark, I fail to see how it is poor play on my part to consider such things as not being points in your favor. I assume you mean :cough: Joker and not CIAS? The point :cough: is, this is the very :cough: definition of confirmation bias in a WIFOM :cough: situation. I could :cough: just as easily be a baddie and :cough: knowing that my gassing may :cough: draw attention, especially after the :cough: fact that I was nearly lynched :cough: Yesterday, just to get me :cough: suspected if Hal didn't investigate me. And that's the :cough: other point you're missing about the :cough: timing. Let's look at :cough: it from each perspectives. If I'm :cough: a baddie and they expected Hal to investigate :cough: me, then they could either :cough: kill him to keep suspicion on me (though they may have chosen against it if :cough: they thought he might :cough: be protected), or they'd have thought I'd :cough: be confirmed and not :cough: being aware of my power, and unsure :cough: of what it is, perhaps they'd think :cough: me being gassed would affect that. If I'm a baddie and they didn't expect :cough: me to be investigated. Gassing me :cough: puts me in precisely this situation here where, :cough: it draws extra attention to me and :cough: could possibly get me lynched because of it. As far as scum are concerned, the PFKs :cough: are indistinguishable from baddies, so I won't repeat the reasoning :cough: for that. If I'm scum and they :cough: expected me to be looked at, it would have been a complete :cough: waste to gas me because I'd :cough: have already been outted, so it just would have :cough: been to piss me off. Besides it would have :cough: made more sense to simply :cough: kill Hal as well because, :cough: at least then, the situation would be indistinguishable from :cough: if I were a baddie and they :cough: killed him. If I'm scum and they :cough: didn't expect me to be :cough: investigated, gassing me just puts :cough: that much more suspicion on me which, again :cough: puts us in a WIFOM situation. The point is, :cough: even if you want to say how likely you'd :cough: have though the scum would think :cough: that Hal would investigate me, you really don't get :cough: any sort of look through that :cough: reasoning as to whether I'm scum or not. And even if they :cough: did think I was going to be :cough: investigated, surely the best move would have :cough: been to kill the Riddler instead of :cough: Two-Face because it really would have left me in a bad spot with him :cough: dead, with all that suspicion and :cough: the looks that he was killed to protect :cough: me. I'm glad he :cough: found scum, but this is precisely why I'd hoped that he :cough: would investigate me and :cough: confirm me so that we can end the :cough: confirmation bias that has been such a :cough: distraction for the town since I've been here.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 8, 2008 13:36:59 GMT -5
I don't recall getting any such confirmation. We have confirmation that Ryjae is sending hats to people.
Didn't Ryjae say that his targets could remove the hats if they knew about them, or something like that? BLaM seems to have refuted that.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 13:41:31 GMT -5
To make sure I'm clear, an alternate perspective being advanced is that the Mad Hatter is actually installing bombs upon the heads of people, and he has no mind-reading abilities at all? I thought we had some sort of confirmation that mind-reading had indeed taken place, or am I mistaken? Mind-reading and bombs in one player seems to much power for one role. AFAICT, the only :cough: information prior to today :cough: that lent any :cough: credence that he might be able to :cough: read minds was something to the effect of a :cough: "master", but neither Drain Gead nor MHaye (the only two :cough: alive with hats) could really confirm that supposed :cough: thought. Today, he claims to have a :cough: thought, if he's lying, it's :cough: clearly designed to try and :cough: put my neck in the :cough: noose instead. If he's :cough: telling the truth, we won't know until :cough: he's dead, but we would know that :cough: at least Mothman is lying and probably me as well (since the thought doesn't directly :cough: say it came from me, though, if true, it would obviously :cough: look like it did).
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 8, 2008 13:44:13 GMT -5
I don't recall getting any such confirmation. We have confirmation that Ryjae is sending hats to people. Didn't Ryjae say that his targets could remove the hats if they knew about them, or something like that? BLaM seems to have refuted that. Now that you :cough: say that, I do seem to recall that :cough: being mentioned. That was said sometime :cough: Yesterday, right? If that's the :cough: case, my PM is pretty :cough: clear that I know I'm wearing a :cough: hat.
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