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Post by brewha on Apr 14, 2008 12:41:35 GMT -5
Fine, I targeted Story on night two, same as last night.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 14, 2008 12:52:01 GMT -5
IIRC, we were told yesterday that there were 3 PFK players left. One of them was obviously the Riddler, and it looks like the other two are Ryjae and tdpatriots.
I already laid out my reasons for lynching Ryjae yesterday, so I won't bother to reitterate myself:
Vote Ryjae
Also, brewha, I'd like a bit more of an explanation on why you blocked storyteller as well. He seems to be one of the least likely to be scum because of the association with Bane. Also, thanks to the suggestion yesterday that storyteller may have a one time kill attempt and that he'd consider using it, if he had it, on Ryjae, if anything, it looks worse for you because, at best you were blocking someone who was probably pro-town, but had a relatively useless power, and at worst, you kept a likely pro-town player from taking out a likely PFK. So, I REALLY don't see any motivation here unless there's more to your power than you're leading on.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 14, 2008 12:55:37 GMT -5
story has basically confirmed that it was the Scarecrow who blocked him last night. So unless the Scarecrow has gone Do-Gooder, I don't see how brewha could be scum. Now, if RyJae turns up Town, then I'll be taking a much closer look myself.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 14, 2008 12:56:20 GMT -5
Fine, I targeted Story on night two, same as last night. brewha: For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure I know the rest. If I can figure it out, the Do-Gooders and the PFKs probably can too. I'm not sure that a full reveal would be particularly harmful. But it's your call.
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Post by brewha on Apr 14, 2008 13:20:28 GMT -5
brewha: For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure I know the rest. If I can figure it out, the Do-Gooders and the PFKs probably can too. I'm not sure that a full reveal would be particularly harmful. But it's your call. Yeah, I was debating a full reveal. All this code speak has no doubt arosed the suspicion of the Scum. So, my not telling my full powers gets me suspicion from both town and scum, at least if I do a full reveal, the town should leave me alone. So, since I didn't keep my mouth shut this morning, I have no real choice: The reason I targeted Story is that I believe that he's taken a leader role. And, since he has, we've been doing very well as town. The roleblocking part is a side effect of my intention - which was to protect Story. My night one action was to protect NAF. Which seems to have worked considering that no one died on night one. Of course there is the nagging suspicion that I may have stopped NAF from killing - but I have to believe he's a mason. Night two was blocked. Night three, I targeted TDPats because I suspected him as a serial killer. So I used my powers as a roleblocker - I really had no idea that his BoomStick would trump my terrifying powder. And, with my revelation, my powers are pretty much gone. I'll be forced to protect myself now unless I'm 100% sure that someone needs to be protected or blocked.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 14, 2008 13:22:06 GMT -5
Fine, I targeted Story on night two, same as last night. brewha: For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure I know the rest. If I can figure it out, the Do-Gooders and the PFKs probably can too. I'm not sure that a full reveal would be particularly harmful. But it's your call. I would say don't make a full claim. We have a lot of other things to take care of and brewha is way down on my own personal list.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 14, 2008 13:24:13 GMT -5
I would say don't make a full claim. We have a lot of other things to take care of and brewha is way down on my own personal list. Except if we believe brewha, then what do we think about Hoopy Frood? Oughtn't we to look more closely, now that there are three purportedly pro-Town role-blockers on our list?
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Post by Rysto on Apr 14, 2008 13:24:25 GMT -5
Too late...
Oh well, as soon as he'd admitted to targeting NAF once and story twice it became obvious that he was some kind of Doc...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 14, 2008 13:25:52 GMT -5
I believe I'm caught up on certain hinted-at possibilities. If I'm the only one being considered about divulging more info for, I wouldn't worry about me anymore. I do have some outstanding questions but they can wait for now.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 14, 2008 13:28:24 GMT -5
Gotta love it when work interrupts posting...
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 14, 2008 13:28:43 GMT -5
I believe I'm caught up on certain hinted-at possibilities. If I'm the only one being considered about divulging more info for, I wouldn't worry about me anymore. I do have some outstanding questions but they can wait for now. No! Why wait? We need to ask questions. There seems to be an awful lot of "let's just lynch ryjae, weren't we just going to lynch ryjae?" going around, and I'd like to counter it. We have a long week ahead of us. More discussion is better. Ask. The answers might be illuminating.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 14, 2008 13:29:52 GMT -5
I would say don't make a full claim. We have a lot of other things to take care of and brewha is way down on my own personal list. Except if we believe brewha, then what do we think about Hoopy Frood? Oughtn't we to look more closely, now that there are three purportedly pro-Town role-blockers on our list? I will say that I do believe brewha, at least partially. What exactly happened to you last Night story, I am wondering if it lines up with what happened to me Night 1.
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Post by brewha on Apr 14, 2008 13:31:27 GMT -5
Actually, I'd love to hear it, NAF. I only submit names, I don't get to hear what happens after I do.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 14, 2008 13:32:45 GMT -5
Actually, I'd love to hear it, NAF. I only submit names, I don't get to hear what happens after I do. What I am wondering is, was what I thought was an attack Night 1 really just a fear induced reaction to you blocking me. I want to know what story has to say before I say anything more.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 14, 2008 13:34:58 GMT -5
Actually, I'd love to hear it, NAF. I only submit names, I don't get to hear what happens after I do. What I am wondering is, was what I thought was an attack Night 1 really just a fear induced reaction to you blocking me. I want to know what story has to say before I say anything more. We're not allowed to quote PMs, but in brief: I became frightened. I was convinced someone was outside my room, planning to come inside and do me grievous harm. I saw the doorknob rattle. I cowered in fear. My initial reaction was to think that I had been targeted for a Night kill and the kill had failed for some reason. It was only when I realized that my own Night action had failed that I started to twig to what was going on.
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Post by tdpatriots12 on Apr 14, 2008 13:36:24 GMT -5
I targeted TDPats because I suspected him as a serial killer. So I used my powers as a roleblocker - I really had no idea that his BoomStick would trump my terrifying powder. Reading your role PM and the Night 3 PM I received it is clear you succeeded in your attempt to "fright-block" me and my Boomstick never came into the equation, in fact, if the assailant documented in the PM is your alter ego, you wouldn't even have seen the gun to be afraid of it. Plus, it wasn't a nightkill attempt. So yeah, it worked, that's all I'm saying.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 14, 2008 13:39:19 GMT -5
What I am wondering is, was what I thought was an attack Night 1 really just a fear induced reaction to you blocking me. I want to know what story has to say before I say anything more. We're not allowed to quote PMs, but in brief: I became frightened. I was convinced someone was outside my room, planning to come inside and do me grievous harm. I saw the doorknob rattle. I cowered in fear. My initial reaction was to think that I had been targeted for a Night kill and the kill had failed for some reason. It was only when I realized that my own Night action had failed that I started to twig to what was going on. Interesting, so I don't know if I was attacked after all. I may only have thought that I was attacked. It makes more sense that brewha hit me with fear gas. It takes away a lot of routes I had for trying to track down the Do Gooders, but it clears a lot of other stuff up.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 14, 2008 13:40:09 GMT -5
We're not allowed to quote PMs, but in brief: I became frightened. I was convinced someone was outside my room, planning to come inside and do me grievous harm. I saw the doorknob rattle. I cowered in fear. My initial reaction was to think that I had been targeted for a Night kill and the kill had failed for some reason. It was only when I realized that my own Night action had failed that I started to twig to what was going on. Interesting, so I don't know if I was attacked after all. I may only have thought that I was attacked. It makes more sense that brewha hit me with fear gas. It takes away a lot of routes I had for trying to track down the Do Gooders, but it clears a lot of other stuff up. NETA: I had almost the exact same reaction. I, it would seem foolishly, did think I was actually attacked.
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Post by brewha on Apr 14, 2008 13:43:49 GMT -5
We're not allowed to quote PMs, but in brief: I became frightened. I was convinced someone was outside my room, planning to come inside and do me grievous harm. I saw the doorknob rattle. I cowered in fear. My initial reaction was to think that I had been targeted for a Night kill and the kill had failed for some reason. It was only when I realized that my own Night action had failed that I started to twig to what was going on. Interesting, so I don't know if I was attacked after all. I may only have thought that I was attacked. It makes more sense that brewha hit me with fear gas. It takes away a lot of routes I had for trying to track down the Do Gooders, but it clears a lot of other stuff up.[/quote] Well, that sucks. I thought I did some good on night one. So the Croc was the only failed night kill?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 14, 2008 13:45:33 GMT -5
We're not allowed to quote PMs, but in brief: I became frightened. I was convinced someone was outside my room, planning to come inside and do me grievous harm. I saw the doorknob rattle. I cowered in fear. My initial reaction was to think that I had been targeted for a Night kill and the kill had failed for some reason. It was only when I realized that my own Night action had failed that I started to twig to what was going on. Interesting, so I don't know if I was attacked after all. I may only have thought that I was attacked. It makes more sense that brewha hit me with fear gas. It takes away a lot of routes I had for trying to track down the Do Gooders, but it clears a lot of other stuff up. Well, that sucks. I thought I did some good on night one. So the Croc was the only failed night kill? [/quote] Then what the hell did the scum do that Night? Play Parchesi?
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Post by ryjae on Apr 14, 2008 13:48:54 GMT -5
IIRC, we were told yesterday that there were 3 PFK players left. One of them was obviously the Riddler, and it looks like the other two are Ryjae and tdpatriots. I already laid out my reasons for lynching Ryjae yesterday, so I won't bother to reitterate myself: Vote RyjaeAlso, brewha, I'd like a bit more of an explanation on why you blocked storyteller as well. He seems to be one of the least likely to be scum because of the association with Bane. Also, thanks to the suggestion yesterday that storyteller may have a one time kill attempt and that he'd consider using it, if he had it, on Ryjae, if anything, it looks worse for you because, at best you were blocking someone who was probably pro-town, but had a relatively useless power, and at worst, you kept a likely pro-town player from taking out a likely PFK. So, I REALLY don't see any motivation here unless there's more to your power than you're leading on. Two scum on me nice and early, two dead scum. Nice trade off for the crazy guy in a hat.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 14, 2008 13:53:10 GMT -5
We're not allowed to quote PMs, but in brief: I became frightened. I was convinced someone was outside my room, planning to come inside and do me grievous harm. I saw the doorknob rattle. I cowered in fear. My initial reaction was to think that I had been targeted for a Night kill and the kill had failed for some reason. It was only when I realized that my own Night action had failed that I started to twig to what was going on. Interesting, so I don't know if I was attacked after all. I may only have thought that I was attacked. It makes more sense that brewha hit me with fear gas. It takes away a lot of routes I had for trying to track down the Do Gooders, but it clears a lot of other stuff up. Well, that sucks. I thought I did some good on night one. So the Croc was the only failed night kill? [/quote] Well I dont' know I wasn't attacked either, I just don't know that I was.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 14, 2008 13:53:15 GMT -5
Except if we believe brewha, then what do we think about Hoopy Frood? Oughtn't we to look more closely, now that there are three purportedly pro-Town role-blockers on our list? The Do-Gooders have disguises, or so our Masons claim, whereas Hoopy has been confirmed as Mr. Freeze and brewha's power matches with Scarecrow's. My personal list of suspicion of the Do-Gooders, by the process of elimination is: BLaM DBI Darth Hawk/sinjin I first eliminate those who claim to be a some sort of mason( story, Smurf and the pirates). tdpats and Ryjae are probably PFK. So far, the Do-Gooders have turned out to not have any powers of their own, including Robin, so I eliminate brewha and Hoopy. BLaM, DBI and Darth have claimed no powers at all, which puts them at the top of my list(for completeness, I must admit that I have not claimed any powers, either). This leaves me with Hawk and sinjin. They are my Batman suspects. Upthread, DBI said that the Do-Gooders would have little use for an alignment cop. Nonsense. The game started with 5 PFKs, and it very much looks like 3 of them could win on their own and deny the Do-Gooders the victory. The Do-Gooders need them dead. Plus, a cop role fits Batman very well. A strongman role is another possibility for Batman. There is no straight-up Vig so the argument that a passive power would be too powerful for scum doesn't entirely apply to this game. Still, I find it unlikely, so Hawk is my #1 suspect. He's been very vague about his powers, and with the last PFK being revealed, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't claim what his powers were. Now, I've made a lot of assumptions here: that Smurf et al. are truthful, that story is Town(making him scum would have been a nasty trick to play on Kold, though), that none of the Do-Gooders besides Batman has any powers, and that Ryjae is PFK. For toDay, I think that lynching Ryjae would probably be best, although if I'm right about Hawk, it'd be interesting to see how the Do-Gooders respond to him getting the supposed bomb hat. On preview: Say what? Here's what you said Day Two about the attack: So which is it, NAF? Were you attacked by people wearing disguises, or were you locked in a room, terrified that you were going to be attacked?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 14, 2008 14:00:19 GMT -5
Except if we believe brewha, then what do we think about Hoopy Frood? Oughtn't we to look more closely, now that there are three purportedly pro-Town role-blockers on our list? The Do-Gooders have disguises, or so our Masons claim, whereas Hoopy has been confirmed as Mr. Freeze and brewha's power matches with Scarecrow's. My personal list of suspicion of the Do-Gooders, by the process of elimination is: BLaM DBI Darth Hawk/sinjin I first eliminate those who claim to be a some sort of mason( story, Smurf and the pirates). tdpats and Ryjae are probably PFK. So far, the Do-Gooders have turned out to not have any powers of their own, including Robin, so I eliminate brewha and Hoopy. BLaM, DBI and Darth have claimed no powers at all, which puts them at the top of my list(for completeness, I must admit that I have not claimed any powers, either). This leaves me with Hawk and sinjin. They are my Batman suspects. Upthread, DBI said that the Do-Gooders would have little use for an alignment cop. Nonsense. The game started with 5 PFKs, and it very much looks like 3 of them could win on their own and deny the Do-Gooders the victory. The Do-Gooders need them dead. Plus, a cop role fits Batman very well. A strongman role is another possibility for Batman. There is no straight-up Vig so the argument that a passive power would be too powerful for scum doesn't entirely apply to this game. Still, I find it unlikely, so Hawk is my #1 suspect. He's been very vague about his powers, and with the last PFK being revealed, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't claim what his powers were. Now, I've made a lot of assumptions here: that Smurf et al. are truthful, that story is Town(making him scum would have been a nasty trick to play on Kold, though), that none of the Do-Gooders besides Batman has any powers, and that Ryjae is PFK. For toDay, I think that lynching Ryjae would probably be best, although if I'm right about Hawk, it'd be interesting to see how the Do-Gooders respond to him getting the supposed bomb hat. On preview: Say what? Here's what you said Day Two about the attack: So which is it, NAF? Were you attacked by people wearing disguises, or were you locked in a room, terrified that you were going to be attacked? Neither and both. My PM is a bit vague as to what happened. The actual Night bit was I heard people outside my bedroom door, I hid from them and passed out from fright but rememberd that they were wearing disguises. (I swear I posted all of this before) Like I said, I don't know how the whole extra bit of knowledge thing works with all of this. It is possible that I WAS attacked and that the fear juice is what kept me safe and I came out the other side knowing something about my attacker. It is possible that something else happened. At this point I don't really know. It seems I made a couple of bad inferences when reading the mod PM to me that Night. (For example I initially believed that the attack had something to do with the shark proofing, something I now think is incorrect.)
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 14, 2008 14:00:43 GMT -5
Okay, that's about what I expected if you had pro-town motivations. The thing is, if you're telling the truth, surely the scum would have figured something similar anyway. If you're lying, that's probably not far from what I would have come up with either. What makese me concerned is that last Night I'd have thought Hal was a very likely scum target, certainly more so than storyteller.
So here's where I'm confused, if you're pro-town, I don't understand why you'd rate storyteller's life over the life of Hal, an all but confirmed detective (though, thankfully proven wrong), and the not so unlikely death of a likely PFK. Last Night, you would have known the Hal had just successfully led the town to the lynch of Drain Gead.
OTOH, if you're anti-town, I can see motivation for why you'd block him, namely because it looked apparent into the Night that Ryjae was a likely lynchee today, so perhaps you blocked him hoping to prevent Ryjae's death, so he would get lynched Today. Giving all the rest of the scum at least a single Day's reprieve from a lynch and another Night kill in exchange for him.
I see no reason to believe you're also a Doctor on top of a role blocker, and why you're actions are necessarily pro-town and not perhaps those of an anti-town role-blocker.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 14, 2008 14:02:52 GMT -5
Wait, story is a mason-type? Huh?
And, I've alluded to my night powers, but like most everyone else, revealing them makes them worth quite a bit less to the town.
I have a question for you brewha - why did you not protect hal the night after our other outed protown investigator bit the dust?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 14, 2008 14:03:35 GMT -5
So which is it, NAF? Were you attacked by people wearing disguises, or were you locked in a room, terrified that you were going to be attacked? Neither and both. My PM is a bit vague as to what happened. The actual Night bit was I heard people outside my bedroom door.[/quote] NETA: I forgot to add, I got two PM's that Night. A Night PM which talked about the attack, and a Day PM which talked about what I found out after the attack and the shark proofing. This is why I linked all three together in my mind. It is possible (although I am guessing highly unlikely) that they were three seperate things.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 14, 2008 14:04:05 GMT -5
EBWOP - Duh, you block too. He's no good as an investigator if he sits in his room all night.
Carry on.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 14, 2008 14:08:44 GMT -5
And the point of blocking a detective to keep him alive is what, exactly?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 14, 2008 14:11:07 GMT -5
I believe I'm caught up on certain hinted-at possibilities. If I'm the only one being considered about divulging more info for, I wouldn't worry about me anymore. I do have some outstanding questions but they can wait for now. No! Why wait? We need to ask questions. There seems to be an awful lot of "let's just lynch ryjae, weren't we just going to lynch ryjae?" going around, and I'd like to counter it. We have a long week ahead of us. More discussion is better. Ask. The answers might be illuminating. NAF has already gotten to the meat of my questions. Knowing I can trust him, I can only say that I do not envy him at the moment. To potentially be targeted with fear gas and attacked by people wearing disguises on Night 1 without realizing it, coming all the way until now believing only that he was attacked but somehow survived, having to publicaly try and reconcile all of this knowing that there are Do-Gooders and PFKs just waiting to pounce on any perceived weakness, and confused Baddies with fears to assuage. I do not envy him at all.
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