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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 28, 2008 12:25:16 GMT -5
Well, it sure looks like toDay is going to be exciting.
My feeling is we lynch BlaM or Darth toDay. DBI can wait till tomorrow.
If scum are smart they will NK her toNight, she is as bit a threat to them at this point as anyone else.
I will be willing to go with the will of the majority though.
My preference is to lynch Darth, but I will be happy to lynch either DBI or BlaM instead.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 13:15:22 GMT -5
Right, so here's the state of things from my perspective:
we either have 1 or 2 PFKs left, and 2 or 3 Do-Gooders. NAF and mole are confirmed Town. I know that I'm town. Hoopy investigated as Town -- unless he's the Godfather, he's Town, and as he's Mr Freeze, he's very unlikely to be the Godfather. DBI is definitely playing for keeps. I find it unlikely but not impossible that story had a secret win condition that activated somehow. I can determine this by investigating him toNight, and that might be the best use of my powers.
BLaM is definitely a Do-Gooder. If there are 3 Do-Gooders left, we only have 1 mislynch left, BLaM, Darth and sinjin are the Do-Gooders. If story is Town, we win by lynching DBI and the Do-Gooders. If story is PFK and sinjin is a benign Survivor, we win by lynching story, BLaM, Darth and sinjin. If story is PFK and sinjin's win condition is mutually exclusive with the Towns', then we can't win in this situation.
If there are 2 Do-Gooders left, then we have 2 mislynches left. If story is Town, we win by lynching BLaM, DBI, Darth and sinjin. If story is PFK and sinjin is a benign survivor, we win by lynching story, BLaM, Darth and sinjin. If story is PFK and sinjin's win condition is mutually exclusive with the Towns', then we win by lynching story, BLaM, sinjin and the last Do-Gooder out of Darth and sinjin.
So the only way that the Town can lose this is if a) I'm anti-Town(I leave it to the rest of you to evaluate this possibility) -or- b) Hoopy is the Godfather(I reject this out of hand) -or- c) story is PFK
I see no way to deal with (b), nor do I see any way to test (a). But if I survive the night, I can test (c), and hopefully eliminate the last (small) worry I have about the Town winning. Given the Town's great position right now, I don't think that there's a downside to having story protect me toNight so I can clear him.
Comments?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 28, 2008 13:29:41 GMT -5
Right, so here's the state of things from my perspective: we either have 1 or 2 PFKs left, and 2 or 3 Do-Gooders. NAF and mole are confirmed Town. I know that I'm town. Hoopy investigated as Town -- unless he's the Godfather, he's Town, and as he's Mr Freeze, he's very unlikely to be the Godfather. DBI is definitely playing for keeps. I find it unlikely but not impossible that story had a secret win condition that activated somehow. I can determine this by investigating him toNight, and that might be the best use of my powers. BLaM is definitely a Do-Gooder. If there are 3 Do-Gooders left, we only have 1 mislynch left, BLaM, Darth and sinjin are the Do-Gooders. If story is Town, we win by lynching DBI and the Do-Gooders. If story is PFK and sinjin is a benign Survivor, we win by lynching story, BLaM, Darth and sinjin. If story is PFK and sinjin's win condition is mutually exclusive with the Towns', then we can't win in this situation. If there are 2 Do-Gooders left, then we have 2 mislynches left. If story is Town, we win by lynching BLaM, DBI, Darth and sinjin. If story is PFK and sinjin is a benign survivor, we win by lynching story, BLaM, Darth and sinjin. If story is PFK and sinjin's win condition is mutually exclusive with the Towns', then we win by lynching story, BLaM, sinjin and the last Do-Gooder out of Darth and sinjin. So the only way that the Town can lose this is if a) I'm anti-Town(I leave it to the rest of you to evaluate this possibility) -or- b) Hoopy is the Godfather(I reject this out of hand) -or- c) story is PFK I see no way to deal with (b), nor do I see any way to test (a). But if I survive the night, I can test (c), and hopefully eliminate the last (small) worry I have about the Town winning. Given the Town's great position right now, I don't think that there's a downside to having story protect me toNight so I can clear him. Comments? Based on the information the mods gave me a few Day's back there is no chance that story is PFK.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 13:31:52 GMT -5
That was the information you got the morning of Day Three, right? That there was four PFKs left in the game. As I said earlier, that doesn't rule out the possibility that story had a secret win condition that activated after you got the information.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 28, 2008 13:37:18 GMT -5
That was the information you got the morning of Day Three, right? That there was four PFKs left in the game. As I said earlier, that doesn't rule out the possibility that story had a secret win condition that activated after you got the information. The problem with this approach - and I understand where it's coming from - is that the same caveat could apply to you, or to Hoopy, or to sinjin. Every single one of the non-Mason Town players currently alive (I'm going out on a limb with counting you and sinjin in this group for these purposes) could have had a secret win condition that activated after NAF got his reading. You're focusing on me, but why? Why would I be any more likely to have a secret win condition than anyone else still alive? See, the thing is, from my perspective, I have a zero percent chance of being PFK, or of having had a secret win condition. You have a nonzero percent chance of this. Why should I guarantee my protection to you, thus guaranteeing my own death? At some point, we're going to have to grit our teeth and live with the possibility that one or more of the surviving non-Do-Gooders have secret win conditions. There is no way to definitively test for this. What if Hoopy had a win condition that activated last Night, or something like that? We can't base our play on that kind of paranoia, because it will open the Scum Wins door, which is currently just about closed.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 28, 2008 13:37:56 GMT -5
That was the information you got the morning of Day Three, right? That there was four PFKs left in the game. As I said earlier, that doesn't rule out the possibility that story had a secret win condition that activated after you got the information. I suppose that is possible. The PM doesn't make it sound likely, but I suppose it is possilbe.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 13:53:02 GMT -5
@naf
Well(and this is where things get sticky for me), keep in mind that you got the info before the Joker died. In other words, before it was certain whether or not my secret win condition would activate. So my concern here is that if your info doesn't rule out my secret win condition from having activated, it doesn't rule out anybody else's hypothetical secret win condition, either.
@story:
Mostly because your role seems similar to mine: you don't have any restrictions or caveats to your protection.
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 28, 2008 15:00:41 GMT -5
Don't kill me, guys, I'm not an impediment to your win condition.
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 28, 2008 15:08:03 GMT -5
NETA: I asked the Mods via PM about this. Probably should have asked as soon as I got the role, but I wasn't expecting to need to claim PFK. (Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition, either... )
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 28, 2008 15:17:07 GMT -5
I have to say, DBI, if you're telling the truth then you've been given a pretty ugly rogering by the Mods this time around. Our problem collectively is that we can't know that you're telling the truth. We don't appear to have any way to judge the actual win conditions of folks who come up PFK, which is problematic; it means that the only way we can manage is to kill them all and let Roosh sort 'em out, as it were. Our win condition explicitly says that folks who are playing for keeps need to die; admittedly it includes that "maliciously" caveat, but every single PFK (and one scum!) has tried to get a pass under that loophole and so far not one has been truthful.
Sorry.
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 28, 2008 15:18:58 GMT -5
*cries*
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 28, 2008 16:28:21 GMT -5
It'll be ok. Maybe this will make you feel better: It's not quite LOLcat's, but it's good to get a little Something Positive going on in your life.
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Post by RoOsh on Apr 28, 2008 17:27:22 GMT -5
Good Lord, that's scary!
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 28, 2008 17:54:23 GMT -5
vote BlaM
How many times can I vote for one one person in a single game?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 28, 2008 18:29:26 GMT -5
vote count please?
(Yeah I could just look myself, but I want it all official like. Besides, I am very very lazy.)
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 18:32:43 GMT -5
NAF, I have it at:
BLaM: 4 (Darth, mole, Hoopy, NAF) DBI: 1 (BLaM)
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 28, 2008 19:57:35 GMT -5
Jesus. Rysto really does all my work for me. Answering questions, posting votecounts...
Consider his numbers as gospel. (as much as you trust my word as gospel) One more for countdown..
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 20:06:17 GMT -5
I keep hoping that I'll be made an official mod, and be given the knowledge that comes with it.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 28, 2008 20:49:16 GMT -5
Be careful what you wish for...
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 20:53:13 GMT -5
I meant before the scum kill me...
Crap
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 29, 2008 2:57:09 GMT -5
OK guys I've got about fifteen minutes, maximum, online today.
It's obvious that BlaM is the preferred target right now. With four votes on him, there's no way I'm going to ask everyone else to change. The thing is that I almost certainly won't be able to to get back online today (and if I do, I'll be drugged to the hilt - don't ask.) This means that I won't be able to change my vote.
I therefore urge all townies here to vote BlaM. Sorry, Sinjin and Story, I can see your points (although I obviously don't agree with them) but right now it's more important to have consistency between the townies, and I won't be able to switch if you guys do.
Sorry about disappearing like this - it really is completely unavoidable - and I'll see you at night.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 29, 2008 2:58:49 GMT -5
PS - if BlaM is Alfred, I'm not putting aside the possibility of him being the "Godfather" and Batman having a completely separate power. Wasn't Alfred something of a surrogate father of Bruce Wayne's, anyway? It would kinda fit.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 29, 2008 7:31:06 GMT -5
Ok, overcoming my paranoia about DBI's win condition I'll vote for the bird in hand:
vote Blam
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 29, 2008 7:34:07 GMT -5
Well, Blaster really lands at third on my preferred list, but at this point as long as all three turn out to be non-Baddies of one stripe or another the order doesn't matter much. So:
vote Blaster Master
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 29, 2008 9:12:53 GMT -5
Is it time to start singing weird songs again?
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 29, 2008 9:16:16 GMT -5
I think so.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 29, 2008 9:21:37 GMT -5
Cool. I'll start:
If I could be a superhero I would be awesome man I’d fly around the world fighting crime According to my awesome plan And if I saw criminals trying to lie Hurting other people and making them cry I’d haul them off to jail in my awesome van ‘Cause I would be awesome man.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 29, 2008 9:21:54 GMT -5
Guys, I have a worry. If Darth is Batman and we lynch BLaM, he can't win. He could decide to off himself toNight, which would mean that our win would be dependent on DBI win condition. Should we head this off?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 29, 2008 9:22:55 GMT -5
Guys, I have a worry. If Darth is Batman and we lynch BLaM, he can't win. He could decide to off himself toNight, which would mean that our win would be dependent on DBI win condition. Should we head this off? Intriguing and bizarre. But Hoopy should be able to make sure that doesn't happen. Come to think of it, so could I.
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Post by Koldanar on Apr 29, 2008 9:29:01 GMT -5
Cool. I'll start: If I could be a superhero I would be awesome man I’d fly around the world fighting crime According to my awesome plan And if I saw criminals trying to lie Hurting other people and making them cry I’d haul them off to jail in my awesome van ‘Cause I would be awesome man. Yay, another Stephen Lynch fan?!?! /undead shuffle away
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