RoOsh
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Post by RoOsh on Apr 27, 2008 20:27:13 GMT -5
Arkham Asylum: 06:15 hours
The inmates slowly wake up and prepare themselves for the start of a New week here in Arkham, will they be able to succeed in their quest? NAF starts to brew a pot of Coffee for the inmates as they look around the room at each other. Less than 10 of them left.... This was going to be a tough tough day....
But then BlasterMaster pointed out the obvious about the 9 of them, and everyone's eyes widened....
This week starts out the same as last week- No kills. The 9 figures look at one another with shifty eyes- everyone may have lived the night, but someone had to die this morning. So who was it going to be?
The coffee is done. And so begins another exhausting Day in Arkham Asylum.
Dusk will be at 9pm on Wednesday. Good Luck.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 27, 2008 20:29:41 GMT -5
Wowsers. I can't wait to find out who Hoopy blocked and Rysto investigated.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 27, 2008 20:30:05 GMT -5
Damn, the Do-Gooders must be pissed on this fine Morning.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 27, 2008 21:37:06 GMT -5
F5, F5, F5, F5.........
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Darth Sensitive
Mome Rath
With great power comes great responsibility / That's the catchphrase of Old Uncle Ben
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 28, 2008 0:10:32 GMT -5
Well, I know why nobody died last night.
I, Lex Luthor, am (so long as I am vote for the lynchee each day) immune to night investigations as well as kills. Because I have voted correctly for the previous three days, I gained information on the identity of my attacker.
I am going to Vote: Blaster Master for coming after me last night.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 5:08:53 GMT -5
Last Night I investigated BLaM. He's a Do-Gooder.
I have to say guys, that something feels wrong here. BLaM attacked Darth last night? That doesn't make any sense, none at all.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 28, 2008 5:30:39 GMT -5
Last Night I investigated BLaM. He's a Do-Gooder. I have to say guys, that something feels wrong here. BLaM attacked Darth last night? That doesn't make any sense, none at all. No, it's doesn't. Fortunately, there are other explanations for what happened last Night. Shit, did I forget to mention that I'm a full Doctor? Sorry about that, Bat-folk. You're welcome, Harley. So I guess that's DBI, then Darth, then BLAM, then?
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 5:48:35 GMT -5
Oh, nicely done, story. I agree with your proposed order. Looks like DBI will live up to her name once again.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 28, 2008 6:31:25 GMT -5
Last Night I investigated BLaM. He's a Do-Gooder. I have to say guys, that something feels wrong here. BLaM attacked Darth last night? That doesn't make any sense, none at all. No, it's doesn't. Fortunately, there are other explanations for what happened last Night. Shit, did I forget to mention that I'm a full Doctor? Sorry about that, Bat-folk. You're welcome, Harley. So I guess that's DBI, then Darth, then BLAM, then? You're right. There are other explanations. I blocked Darth as well. So between the two of us, one (or both) of us no doubt prevented the night kill. Personally, I think we take out scum today. I know it's a bit of a risk to leave DBI alive another Day, but if we reduce ourselves to one scum, it should pretty much guarantee that as long as I target scum, the kill can't go off. But, due to no death last night, we have two mislynches now available, and, we definitely know who one of the scum are, and are pretty sure who the other one is. So if everyone wants to vote DBI I have no issues going along with it.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 28, 2008 6:41:49 GMT -5
Well I stick to my opinion that BlaM and Darth were co-operating during day four. First their double-teaming of NAF, then the fact that Darth put the penultimate pre-countdown vote on Ryjae literally a few posts after BlaM had come under fire... I really, really think these two are the final scum.
Since BlaM is confirmed by Rysto as a do-gooder, and Rysto seems to have been the genuine target of the do-gooders' night kills, I think it's simple enough. We need one scum out tonight, followed by DBI, followed by the remaining scum. (That's where it gets interesting.) Right now I'm going to put my vote on Blaster Master.
It's quite likely that I'll have problems posting tomorrow, so I'd appreciate if we come to a concensus about today's target quickly. I say: go for the confirmed scum. (The other option is to go for the Bat, but as far as I see it, NAF and Story were against it yesterday and I don't see that much has changed in the meantime.) In the meantime, though, we're in an excellent position. If the last scum tries to kill Rysto tonight, they may be blocked and lose parity. If they try to kill Story though, they may be exposed by Rysto. That's one helluva catch-22 situation!
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 28, 2008 6:43:58 GMT -5
BTW I meant I'd have problems posting tomorrow as meaning "tomorrow, Tuesday". I might be able to get online early morning (although that's not certain) but I almost certainly won't be able to later on. Sorry guys!
I'm ok for tonight though, so you'd be doing me a favor by reaching a concensus regarding who to vote for ASAP.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 7:09:10 GMT -5
If anybody's having any doubts about story's claim, I'd suggest they go back and re-read the beginning of Day Five. It's blatantly obvious, in retrospect, that story is a Doctor and tried to protect Hal, but was blocked by brewha.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 28, 2008 7:44:49 GMT -5
Bear in mind, I'm pretty sure story is what he claims to be.
That being said, I think he does need to be investigated to confirm it, since he's the only one not confirmable by anyone else here.
The more I think about it, the more I think we should lynch BlaM toDay. I can block Darth again, Rysto can investigate Story, and story can protect Rysto. This should accomplish a few things:
1) With only once scum remaining, assuming I can block kills (a reasonable assumption since no one can come up with any other idea as to why town was roughly 25% blocker-types), I'm just as good as a detective. Better in fact, because I can stop a kill. I'm a detective and doctor combined.
2) Confirm story as town. If Rysto dies, story has some 'splainin' to do.
3) Set me or story up as the likely target for scum. This results in the following scenarios:
3.1) I'm targeted. I'm fine with that. I never figured I'd still be alive at this point anyway. Besides, if I die, it either means Darth isn't scum, or I can't block kills. One provides good information, the other means I'm pretty much useless at this point anyway, so my death is no big loss. Either way, Rysto will live in this case and confirm story. And if Story is town, even if he's taken out the next night. Rysto should out the last scum that night.
3.2) Story is targeted. He's the likely target anyway regardless. Although, his death will confirm him, so Rysto investigating him would be redundant shoud he die, if I block the kill, he'll still be unconfirmed if he's not investigated. Last night has essentially handed town the game, so we can afford to have Rysto possibly waste an investigation if it is guaranteed to confirm someone. (And it's only wasted if story dies.)
Heck, if things work out in the ideal, we win the game with no further loss of town.
Granted, I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but for now:
vote BlasterMaster[/color]
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 28, 2008 8:08:38 GMT -5
Bear in mind, I'm pretty sure story is what he claims to be. That being said, I think he does need to be investigated to confirm it, since he's the only one not confirmable by anyone else here. Unfortunately, that's probably not going to work. I get where you're coming from, and I understand the need to cover all the possible bases. But Nightwing was a "backup Godfather," which almost certainly means there is a Godfather, and I'll bet my left begonia that it's Batman, and he comes up as Town on investigation. If Blaster read as a Do-Gooder, then there's only one scum left, and whoever it is (hi, Darth!), Rysto's reading on him or her will probably be Town. Having Rysto investigate me won't provide any new information - at this point, Rysto has become essentially vanilla (unless he's scum, which he's probably not but still could be. See below). Also, I will not, under any circumstances, commit to protecting any particular player toNight. For a while, I was using random.org to select a target, and will very likely do so again toNight, choosing from a pool of potential targets that I'd rather not disclose. Let the scum try to guess where I'm going. As for me, well, how about a more substantive claim? That's me. Please observe the "note" at the bottom. My discussion with Koldanar on Day One was confused because when he said his character was related to mine in the canon, I assumed he was Harley Quinn. I therefore thought the gender pronoun used in the note ("he") was confused. It was only on Koldanar's death that I finally figured out what was going on. I think that Koldanar's role in the game was to help keep me alive, either by confirming my towniness if I got under lynch pressure, or by taking a bullet in my place if I was targeted. I can't know this for sure, of course, but the PM suggests it. In the interest of full disclosure, I played horribly until last Night. Thanks, Rysto, for assuming the best of me regarding Night Five, but in fact I self-protected Nights 1-5. I didn't protect Hal because I had continuing reservations about his alignment. I really thought we would win up having a true alignment investigator, and I thought keeping myself alive to protect the alignment investigator would be more valuable. I also tried damn hard to make myself a good target for the scum, but they never went after me. I then protected Rysto Nights Six and Seven. I have not left breadcrumbs, for obvious reasons. The closest thing to real breadcrumbs came in my frustration with the Masons, I guess. The reason I was so worked up about all that was because I had believed for quite some time that the Penguin would turn out to be our alignment investigator. Accordingly, I seriously considered protecting Dark Smurf on two occasions (random.org said to pick myself on those two Nights, not that it mattered either way). Finding out that he wasn't really the Penguin frustrated me because the Mason confusion complicated my job. I'll also admit to exaggerating the degree of my suspicion of and anger at the Masons, though. I wanted them suspected because if they were suspected, they wouldn't be lynched. I wanted people to think I was angry with them because if the scum thought I was really intensely opposed to lying or deceiving on principle in every case, they would take my vague allusions to having a mediocre power more seriously. So that's it. I'm happy to answer any questions, but there isn't going to be true confirmation of my alignment until I'm dead, I'm afraid. The full claim above will have to suffice. More from me in a moment.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 28, 2008 8:10:05 GMT -5
Second to last paragraph, second sentence, should read:
"I wanted them suspected because if they were suspected, they wouldn't be Night killed."
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 8:11:00 GMT -5
To be honest, I've been thinking about that a bit, too. Here's my reasoning: all of the active pro-Town powers have been double-edged to a certain extent. HM stood a 50% chance of killing her target, and could only detect Do-Gooders. brewha role-blocked his protection target. The Masons had a separate win condition. I would join the Joker if I investigated him. We suspect that Koldanar would die if he blocked a kill. The roleblockers stood just as good a chance of blocking Town as blocking scum(I must admit that there doesn't seem to be any kind of limitation to sinjin's claimed power, other than the minuscule chance of catching Two-Fact). Now storyteller has claimed to be a full Doc, with no limitations. And with four lynches to work with now, 2 confirmed scum and 3 unknowns, the only way that we can lose this one is if story is PFK*, due to a secret win condition like mine. If it activated after NAF got his information about the number of PFKs in the game, it's possible.
Now, that exact same reasoning raises the question of how do you know that my secret win condition didn't activate after NAF got his information? I'm afraid that you don't know. You know that I'm an alignment Cop, you know that I was blocked every Night that Santo was alive and you know that the colour strongly indicates that my power is linked to my secret win condition, but that's it.
* story as Do-Gooder doesn't make any freaking sense at all -- he'd have to have given the Town an extra lynch by refusing to kill last Night, rather than leading lynches against BLaM, Darth and sinjin/DBI for the win.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 28, 2008 8:13:53 GMT -5
And with four lynches to work with now, 2 confirmed scum and 3 unknowns, the only way that we can lose this one is if story is PFK*, due to a secret win condition like mine. If it activated after NAF got his information about the number of PFKs in the game, it's possible. Good point. You can indeed confirm me as not PFK.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 28, 2008 8:31:11 GMT -5
However, me as PFK makes virtually no sense. A PFK Doctor would be nearly invincible. Why would I ever do anything other than self-protect? I don't know. But again, I'm still nervous about Rysto, so who am I to criticize the paranoia of others?
Here's where I stand: there are four players who, I think, are definitely exempt from consideration as scum from my perspective: myself, molefan, NAF, and Hoopy.
I really think we need to lynch DBI toDay. Not just because we need to make sure she can't win the game, but because her death clarifies matters considerably for us in terms of everyone else. If she turns out to be scum, then Rysto is definitely either scum or PFK, and everything else gets thrown up into the air. So in my opinion, she needs to die toDay.
Let's assume, for a minute, that DBI is the last PFK, and dies toDay. That leaves two Do-Gooders among four players: Rysto, Darth, BLAM, and sinjin. Leaving no stone unturned, let's look at each possible combination of Do-Gooders:
Rysto & Darth - Possible. In this case, Hoopy's block prevented the kill.
Rysto & BLAM - Not possible. Neither of those players was blocked, and I used my protection on Rysto. They'd have a had to forego a kill for this combo to make sense, and I don't know why they'd have done that.
Rysto & sinjin - Not possible. Same reason as for Rysto and BLAM.
Darth & BLAM - makes the most sense of all, frankly. Note that we had no Bat-attack toDay, so maybe BLAM targeted Rysto, who was protected, and Darth tried to Bat-belt somebody and was blocked by Hoopy. This combo fits.
Darth & sinjin - Fits ONLY if Rysto is PFK and fucking with us. Still technically possible.
BLAM & sinjin - Fits only if we believe that BLAM and sinjin decided to target Darth Sensitive, one of their only covers. Still technically possible, but monumentally unlikely.
Which leaves the following possibilities, in order of likelihood:
1. Darth & BLAM 2. Rysto & Darth 3. Darth & sinjin 4. BLAM & sinjin
Unless DBI turns out to be a Do-Gooder, these are the only four Do-Gooder possibilities I can see.
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I think we have to lynch DBI toDay; that narrows us down to those four options and eliminates the chance that she will win if she is indeed PFK.
Then, we lynch Darth. If he is not scum, then sinjin and BLAM are, without question. If he is scum, we lynch BLAM next.
If BLAM is scum, we win. If he's not, then either Rysto or sinjin is the last scum, and Rysto is certainly PFK if he's not a Do-Gooder.
So if Darth is scum and BLAM is not, we lynch Rysto, and then whoever is left of the lot of us plays the endgame with sinjin.
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Hmmmm. Now that I write it out, lynching Darth makes a hell of a lot of sense. Darth seems awfully likely to be scum. His death means we have an excellent chance of preventing further kills, which gives us absolute control of the endgame. It's just that we'll have to risk DBI winning the game toMorrow morning. Thoughts?
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Post by sinjin on Apr 28, 2008 8:43:03 GMT -5
Rysto, the limitation of my little power was that although I was able to identify who attacked me I was not being able to identify their alignment. You may recall that led to a huge go round on Day two with the town ultimately choosing to lynch Atarus rather than CIAS.
While I'm willing to go along with a Blam lynch today I would prefer we lynch either DBI or Darth in that order. We know Blam is NOT BATMAN and is not going anywhere. We don't know DBI's win condition and apparently she doesn't either which I find strange. If Rysto and storyteller are who they say they are, and I'm leaning that way, that makes Darth the Godfather.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 28, 2008 8:43:29 GMT -5
You both raise interesting points. I didn't think about Story not being a do-gooder, but since we know BlaM is, and since I blocked Darth, unless I lack the ability to block kills (which, while not impossible, seems increasingly unlikely every time I think about it), it wouldn't make sense for story to be a do-gooder. The last thing scum would do would be to give town a free mis-lynch. So either I blocked Darth, or story protected Rysto (or both, but both being true doesn't change anything). In either case, story isn't scum.
I still think I'm most powerful if we get down to one scum. So I'm still in favor of lynching BlaM before DBI. And with one scum left, I can freely announce during the day who I plan to block that night, because scum can't rotate the "killer" anymore. This also provides information for town should I happen to be taken out that night. Just keep in mind in the event of my death that there is still no concrete evidence that I can block kills. So just because I die and blocked someone, it doesn't completely exonerate them.
But with us three still being alive, and being very powerful end-game power roles, and being able to have a mislynch regardless of the DBI situation, I don't think town has much to worry about at this point.
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Blaster Master
Mome Rath
The player formerly know as BLAM!
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 28, 2008 8:49:07 GMT -5
Well, guys, looks like my suspicions about Rysto being scum are accurate. It looks like he's in league with Darth and they're trying to railroad me. However, thanks to the no-kill last Night, I think we get a mislynch (I'm too tired to crunch numbers right now), so it looks like the game is basically over anyway. Fortunately, it looks like their efforts are wasted because their only chance at winning is killing me, so I suspect I'll be targetted Tonight anyway.
Also, as I said yesterday, DBI is still the best lynch candidate today.
Vote DBI
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 28, 2008 8:55:03 GMT -5
And seeing that story and sinjin posted while I was writing my last one, they make good points as well.
So here's where I stand:
I think we're all pretty much in agreement that Darth/BlaM seems like our most likely scum combo. If town lynches one of these, and that person is scum, I will block the other person.
If town lynches DBI, I will likely block one of the two above, but I make no guarantees. Whoever I block, if I happen to die tonight, will know I blocked them based on what Rysto said on my block of him, so they should probably come out and say so. It gives town more info.
I'm fine with blocking any of the 3 above. I prefer taking out scum, because it makes my job easier, but if there's a push for DBI I will happily switch my vote. I like the bird in hand vote with BlaM, which is why my vote currently sits there, but any of the three is fine by me.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 9:09:29 GMT -5
I can't believe that I never mentioned this, but before the game even started I asked if my readings are 100% accurate. The response I got is that other players might have the power to change my readings. At the time I thought that Dio was referring to some weird-ass kind of roleblocker, but since then I've realized that it refers to the possibility of a Godfather role. That would mean that Darth has been the Godfather in both games he's played.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 28, 2008 9:12:25 GMT -5
That would mean that Darth has been the Godfather in both games he's played. Darth and Santo Rugger need to form a club or something. With drainbead as the Role Blocker, of course.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 28, 2008 10:11:13 GMT -5
Posting my morning info before I read the thread. I will be back to read it in a bit.
I found out what Kolds power was. If story died Kold turned vig.
Ok, I am off to try and get a project finished before my boss gets into work in an hour. I will read the thread and post more then.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 28, 2008 11:31:50 GMT -5
Story and Sinjin, I really don't like the idea of lynching DBI today. Tomorrow yes, certainly before we get the last scum. But right now, unless Rysto is lying, we have a confirmed second scum in BlaM and an unconfirmed-but-everyone-seems-to-agree-that-he's-by-far-the-most- likely-option Batman in Darth. We've gained an extra day's leeway from the blocked night-kill, which is gold. At this point we can mess up once and still win.
The point's been made many times over that DBI's powers are technically unknown. Well, fine; but does she have to have a damaging power? Doesn't seem to have done that much damage so far. There haven't been any unexplained catastrophes or weird kills that I can think of.
Now compare that to the scum. There's AT LEAST two powers that we know of: the utility belt, and an unknown "Godfather" who may be Batman or may be an unknown second scum (presumably BlaM) - another Grayson perhaps, considering they had Nightwing? There's some ambiguity about the third tool in the utility belt, and I've seen at least three versions of the "Godfather" role knocking about in other Mafia games. It could include some kind of protective ability, some kind of ability to evade investigations, or God knows what else. It could mean anything, but it sounds powerful enough to me.
Sure, we don't know what DBI is capable of; but she's almost certainly got to survive until after the final scum is taken out in order to win. Taking one more scum out now won't help her do that if we take her out tomorrow.
So guys, in this instance I think you're wrong. I think we can either go with the confirmed scum, or take a risk (however small IMO) and vote Darth off. But taking DBI out now over either of those two would be a mistake.
My vote stays on BlaM this time.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 28, 2008 11:33:54 GMT -5
Yet another point: Hoopy has only one person to block if we get the second-to-last scum tonight. Can't believe I forgot about that one.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 28, 2008 11:42:21 GMT -5
Posting my morning info before I read the thread. I will be back to read it in a bit. I found out what Kolds power was. If story died Kold turned vig. Cool. This, combined with Koldanar's day one actions and story's role PM post, pretty much confirm that story is town then.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 28, 2008 12:05:40 GMT -5
BLaM is probably Alfred -- NAF got information yesterDay that there's a butler running around carrying something. Which might make BLaM a better target than Darth, actually.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 28, 2008 12:17:37 GMT -5
I am not worried about DBI having a harmful power, rather I am worried about what her win condition is. Looking at ryjae's role of hatting people it seems to me that his win condition would somehow be base on hatting enough players by the end of the game. In the blade runner game the speculator's won if we tagged all of the replicants. The replicant's did not know they had been tagged. I am concerned that DBI has this type of win condition.
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