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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 29, 2008 19:48:41 GMT -5
Official-like Votecount:
Blamman: 5(Blam, Darth, molefan,NAF, DBI) DBI: 4(story,Rysto,sinjin,Hoopy)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 29, 2008 19:50:36 GMT -5
Official-like Votecount:Blamman: 5 (Blam, Darth, molefan,NAF, DBI)DBI: 4 (story,Rysto,sinjin,Hoopy) So now that we've screwed everything up, what is the actual end of the Day?
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 29, 2008 19:58:12 GMT -5
Unless you guys figure something out with the same sort of certainty you had for hawkeye, I'm giving you until Friday. We'll do dusk at 18:00.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 29, 2008 20:07:23 GMT -5
So no 24-hour countdown will be triggered if a majority is reached on any player?
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 29, 2008 21:00:25 GMT -5
So no 24-hour countdown will be triggered if a majority is reached on any player? Sorry, I thought that was understood. No unusual acceleration, just the standard operating rules. So the countdown can be restarted, but we won't rush it in the manner being debated earlier.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 29, 2008 21:41:06 GMT -5
Roosh is going to kick our asses. Hal's going to have a bit more work to do as well. If only spectators could modsmite...
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 30, 2008 2:46:35 GMT -5
Jeez... OK, first of all, got the day ending times wrong. Oops! Thankfully, that means I'm back, if somewhat weakened right now (I can't drive a car or operate heavy machinery!) and can stick around until the end of the day. Which I will do. My point that the townies need to stick together still stands, and right now we've got a 5-4 split. I STILL think that the evidence I pointed out that BlaM and Darth are acting together strongly suggests that both are scum and DBI is the PFK. However, for the sake of townie solidarity: Unvote BlaM and Vote DBI.
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 30, 2008 9:22:09 GMT -5
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 30, 2008 10:23:43 GMT -5
Jeez... OK, first of all, got the day ending times wrong. Oops! Thankfully, that means I'm back, if somewhat weakened right now (I can't drive a car or operate heavy machinery!) and can stick around until the end of the day. Which I will do. My point that the townies need to stick together still stands, and right now we've got a 5-4 split. I STILL think that the evidence I pointed out that BlaM and Darth are acting together strongly suggests that both are scum and DBI is the PFK. However, for the sake of townie solidarity: Unvote BlaM and Vote DBI. I think this is a mistake and that the town is letting paranoia get the best of them. But DBI needs to die sometime. unvote BlaM vote DBI
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 30, 2008 10:24:47 GMT -5
Not sure how I screwed that coding up...
unvote BlaM
vote DBI
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 30, 2008 10:26:09 GMT -5
I think this is a mistake and that the town is letting paranoia get the best of them. But DBI needs to die sometime. Then convince us that it's a mistake. The way I see it, given what we currently know, there is just no benefit to lynching BLAM toDay unless the scum have a bonus kill tucked away in their pocket. But if you see something else, then tell us about it. Why should we automatically trust that Rysto is not PFK and that DBI is? Because they said so?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 30, 2008 10:53:44 GMT -5
I think this is a mistake and that the town is letting paranoia get the best of them. But DBI needs to die sometime. Then convince us that it's a mistake. The way I see it, given what we currently know, there is just no benefit to lynching BLAM toDay unless the scum have a bonus kill tucked away in their pocket. But if you see something else, then tell us about it. Why should we automatically trust that Rysto is not PFK and that DBI is? Because they said so? No, because it is unbelievably convoluted and would require the scum and the PFK's to be working together. But if it will quell the paranoia, then we should lynch DBI. It isn't a bad lynch, and I don't think it costs us anything. I don't think it really gains us anything other than peace of mind, but maybe that is enough.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 30, 2008 12:05:16 GMT -5
I think this is a mistake and that the town is letting paranoia get the best of them. But DBI needs to die sometime. Then convince us that it's a mistake. The way I see it, given what we currently know, there is just no benefit to lynching BLAM toDay unless the scum have a bonus kill tucked away in their pocket. But if you see something else, then tell us about it. Why should we automatically trust that Rysto is not PFK and that DBI is? Because they said so? Let me answer for myself here. First, we know that BlaM has been investigated by Rysto, and that he's scum. Why should Rysto lie here? We've just gained an extra day's leeway by lack of night kill. To try and openly force a mislynch now wouldn't guarantee a scum OR PFK win, and could be completely suicidal. But secondly, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK BACK AT DAY FOUR, THERE IS INCONCLUSIVE BUT CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT BLAM AND DARTH SENSITIVE ARE WORKING TOGETHER AS SCUM. I don't know why everyone's ignoring this. The last time I pointed this out, it was about DrainBead and Kat in the first episode. I WAS RIGHT. As for Darth and BlaM, you don't need to take my word for it - take a look yourselves at the NAF accusations and then tell me that Darth / BlaM don't look suspicious. Here's what I mean. BlaM is being sceptical-cum-downright-accusing towards NAF. The moment that he starts to look shady for attacking NAF too much, he backs off - and then, immediately afterwards, Darth comes in to keep the pressure up. I've seen wolf pairings do this many times in other games that I've been in - it's practically a standard tactic if wolves are determined to keep the pressure on one person. It's not done conspicuously, but it's a giveaway. And then, when BlaM comes under fire later on, Darth immediately puts a vote on PFK Ryjae - I can understand the vote from a townie's point of view, but the timing is seriously off. And why point out that this isn't the last vote that will start the 24hr countdown? It could be completely innocent, but it could also be that Darth wanted to make it clear that his vote wouldn't stop discussion (the discussion at that point being whether or not BlaM was scum - in other words, he was deliberately trying to give the impression that he wasn't interested in stopping discussion about whether BlaM might be scum). None of this is proof. But it's very far from being nothing either, and while we're mostly dealing in certainties of the "if X is a PFK, Y has to be scum" variety, I think there are a lot of indications about which of those are right. In other words, I'm pretty much approaching this problem from the opposite end as Story has been. This is a good thing. Frankly I think it's a problem that needs to be approached from both ends; that way we can be a lot more certain that we're right if we happen to meet in the middle! Story has been considering every possible combination here. I agree with this 100%, if I'm wrong we may need his reasoning here sharpish; but I'm not letting what seems to me the far most likely solution slip out of sight because of it. BlaM has been confirmed by Rysto. Unless there's any particular reason to believe that Rysto could be lying - and other than his being technically unconfirmed as a citizen, I really don't think there is right now - that immediately puts BlaM at the top of my hit list. There are many, many reasons to assume that Darth is his partner. I was pretty certain he was scum - far more so than I was of BlaM - even before I did my analysis of day four and found a pattern of seeming cooperation between him and BlaM. Now BlaM has been confirmed as scum by Rysto, who I don't think is lying, and Darth seems to me such a strong probability for his partner that I'm almost inclined to take people like Sinjin on trust right now. (Dangerous perhaps; but again, assuming there are six scum, we can afford one mistake at this point.) And if BlaM and Darth are partners, and there are only six scum, that really leaves only one possibility for the role of final PFK, and that's DBI. Hell, she's literally admitted it. Unless she was lying because she's actually scum like TDPats - which I don't believe for reasons given above and also because I find it difficult to believe that 1) Kassia was working with Kat in the first episode, and 2) that a second scum would try the same thing that TDPatriots did, given its result - that means that she's the only other person we have to lynch to win this thing. As for today's lynch, I keep coming to the fact that 1) DBI has no confirmed powers that could be dangerous to the townies, nor is there any suggestion (apart from Sinjin's, which I would classify as possible but unlikely) that she could pose a significant threat by lasting one more round; and 2) that if we lynch the PFK today, Hoopy has to choose one of two people to roleblock, whereas if we take out BlaM, he only has to do Darth, and vice versa. That in itself seems to me worth the risk of keeping DBI alive one more round. But as I've said, a town concensus is more important at this stage; and it probably won't matter either way. So I'll vote with the majority here.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 30, 2008 12:29:56 GMT -5
Hm.
molefan makes good points. I am consumed with uncertainty and paranoia, and heading into a meeting that will probably occupy the rest of my day. More tomorrow.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 30, 2008 14:15:37 GMT -5
Mole - you can shove your confirmation bias up your ass. I took mine off of you.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 30, 2008 14:49:53 GMT -5
Mole - you can shove your confirmation bias up your ass. I took mine off of you. Ah, but he has a role that makes a certain amount of sense. Your role, as you described it, is nonsense. It's like you took bits and pieces of other roles that were in the game, and put them together to create a roleclaim salad. So far the mods have not let me down by creating such idiotic roles (no matter what people claimed). You're role would mean that the mods slipped and created an entirely stupid role after succesfully creating many interesting and non stupid ones.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 1, 2008 2:59:10 GMT -5
Mole - you can shove your confirmation bias up your ass. I took mine off of you. Hee, cheers Darth. Consider it shoved. **MF will really feel it when he sh-ts out confirmation bias in twelve hours' time...**
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Post by NAF1138 on May 1, 2008 13:44:46 GMT -5
So...no substantive posts in almost 24 hours.
Anyone else ready to pack this Day in?
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 1, 2008 13:47:14 GMT -5
I would say so.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on May 1, 2008 15:01:08 GMT -5
unvote blam[/color vote dbi
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Post by Darth Sensitive on May 1, 2008 15:01:49 GMT -5
Bah. Try again.
unvote blam vote dbi
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Post by NAF1138 on May 1, 2008 16:40:44 GMT -5
Well, since it is looking like the Day won't end anytime soon, and the mods aren't returning my PM on the subject...I am going out of town for a week leaving Friday evening. I will be in the mountains, and expect to have no internet connection at all.
I PM'd the mods hoping to not get mod killed (if Days are going back to a week long, I won't miss much), but I don't know what they will decide.
I would like to give a proxy vote to molefan, but it that is not allowed I will be happy to place a prevote, or go without a vote if absolutely necessary.
If the scum are really nice they can make the problem go away and chose me as the Night kill, but that probably gets things a bit sticky for them.
I will be around until 5:00 pm pacific time tomorrow.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on May 1, 2008 17:34:55 GMT -5
NAF: Sorry, I had assumed Roosh had gotten back to you. (I'm sure he assumed the same)
Feel free to prevote by PM. No proxy votes. You won't get modkilled.
I'll post a Dusk when I get back from the TAL broadcast.
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Post by RoOsh on May 1, 2008 17:37:02 GMT -5
Sorry, I just wasn't going to modkill and didn't realize you wanted a response. But yeah, What Dio said.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 1, 2008 17:38:45 GMT -5
NAF: Sorry, I had assumed Roosh had gotten back to you. (I'm sure he assumed the same) Feel free to prevote by PM. No proxy votes. You won't get modkilled. I'll post a Dusk when I get back from the TAL broadcast. Cool, the vote thing was what I wanted to know about.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 1, 2008 17:40:17 GMT -5
Also, no need to be sorry on either of your accounts. My post probably came off snippier than I ment it to. I mostly just wanted and answer re: modkill and voting, and then I wanted to let these guys know what was up.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on May 2, 2008 0:15:25 GMT -5
Dio Has a Mancrush on Ira Glass Votecount: Blamman: 2(Blam, DBI) DBI: 7(story,Rysto,sinjin,Hoopy,molefan,DS,NAF)
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