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Day One
May 25, 2007 4:59:03 GMT -5
Post by Malacandra on May 25, 2007 4:59:03 GMT -5
And so we approach the final hour with capybara on 5 votes, KatiRoo 4, and autolycus having dropped back to only 2.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 5:10:00 GMT -5
Post by zuma on May 25, 2007 5:10:00 GMT -5
Ugh. I have admittedly not spent enough time during day one, being super-busy with personal things and work, but what I've read, and I could be wrong ( I was wrong all throughout game 2), I am not sure I'm liking the Capy bandwagon. I'd be more comfortable with KatiRoo.
vote: KatiRoo
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Day One
May 25, 2007 5:58:53 GMT -5
Post by Malacandra on May 25, 2007 5:58:53 GMT -5
It was looking all up for capybara, but an eleventh-hour vote has brought about a tie. There will be a nine-hour extension ending at two bells in the first watch my time. If the vote is still tied, the Hand of Destiny will break it.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 7:16:53 GMT -5
Post by Gadarene on May 25, 2007 7:16:53 GMT -5
Yeah, given Mal's strongly worded, um, hint, and given my persistent conviction that capybara is not only crew but will prove to be useful crew, I'm going to have to unvote Autolycus and vote KatiRoo.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 7:39:00 GMT -5
Post by Caerie on May 25, 2007 7:39:00 GMT -5
As Captain Tightpants...er...as Mal has spoken, I'll respectfully withdraw my Autolycus vote. I'm still not happy with voting for capybara, though. It's possible she's a pirate, but I just really feel like the way she's behaved has been more in keeping with crew. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
On the plus side, it appears we've gotten a bit of an extension here to explore this a little further. storyteller's argument against KatiRoo is pretty compelling. Again, though, I've got concerns about taking somebody out who isn't very experienced. A lot of the mistakes that are being seen as scummy could end up being new player uncertainty.
I'm going to go drink coffee and then review things to figure out who the heck to vote for. Until I return:
---Unvote Autolycus---
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Day One
May 25, 2007 7:58:04 GMT -5
Post by Malacandra on May 25, 2007 7:58:04 GMT -5
Hmm. I hereby resolve not to make humorous remarks at any player's expense, lest they be taken as hints.
Btw, now we have the colours back, there is no need to wrap plusses or minuses around votes/unvotes, tho' I don't mind if anyone wants to.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:14:38 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 25, 2007 8:14:38 GMT -5
Please let us not forget how good Storyteller is at manipulating people...
--FCOD
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:16:22 GMT -5
Post by cowgirl on May 25, 2007 8:16:22 GMT -5
Quick update - please correct me if I'm wrong:
KatiRoo - 6 votes Capybara - 5 votes
and the day ends at noon, right?
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:16:53 GMT -5
Post by zuma on May 25, 2007 8:16:53 GMT -5
I'd be ok with an autolycus lynch. He fucked with us the entire game and in the last minutes said he didn't understand the rules.
I'm getting afraid that we are letting him fuck with us again.
Either he was fucking with us, or he was genuinely clueless. I'm guessing clueless
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:19:20 GMT -5
Post by cowgirl on May 25, 2007 8:19:20 GMT -5
and the day ends at noon, right? by that, of course, I mean noon MY time, because the world revolves around EST. Right? When does the day end?
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:31:56 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 25, 2007 8:31:56 GMT -5
Interesting developments. I admit I'm having some second thoughts about my vote for capybara and she may be town, but my reading on KatiRoo is definitively less piratish. Have we even gotten a defense post from KatiRoo since the wagon on her started? I'm loathe to see someone go down without at least a chance at a defense.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:32:38 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 25, 2007 8:32:38 GMT -5
I'd be ok with an autolycus lynch. He fucked with us the entire game and in the last minutes said he didn't understand the rules. I'm getting afraid that we are letting him fuck with us again. Either he was fucking with us, or he was genuinely clueless. I'm guessing clueless Wait, what? This post makes no sense. Is he fucking with us, or is he clueless? If you're guessing the latter, why would you be OK with his lynching? As far as Autolycus goes, it seems to me like his behavior is not at all dissimilar to his behavior in M2. His "in character" talk got the most attention, but as I remember it he was also unwilling to make any sort of analysis or accusation, frequently vanished for blocks of time, and was unforthcoming with response when the town requested response. In fact, the behavior that gave me the chance to pile on him in the last game was his repeated delay of his promised defense after suspicion fell on him. He is acting the same way here as he did in the last game. And in the last game, I'd note, he was town. If he refuses to post anything substantive again this time around, he will have to be dealt with somehow, but I think lynching him on the available evidence makes no sense. We only get a certain number of these things, and wasting one on someone just because he's annoying you isn't a good plan (IMO).
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:35:12 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 25, 2007 8:35:12 GMT -5
It was looking all up for capybara, but an eleventh-hour vote has brought about a tie. There will be a nine-hour extension ending at two bells in the first watch my time. If the vote is still tied, the Hand of Destiny will break it. This was posted at 7am EDT, so the day would end at 4pm EDT. Don't forget to set your time zone and DST setting in the "Profile" control panel. --FCOD
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:35:34 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 25, 2007 8:35:34 GMT -5
Please let us not forget how good Storyteller is at manipulating people... --FCOD I find this to be an interesting post. See, it seems to be a way of directing suspicion without giving any real reason for it (other than hey, he was a bad guy last game, remember, nudge nudge, wink wink). If you think that my post in re: KatiRoo was an attempt to be manipulative, I'd urge you to describe how or why. To me it seemed pretty straightforward. We will get nowhere with vague imprecations.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:42:06 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 25, 2007 8:42:06 GMT -5
Crap, sorry for the three posts in ten minutes... I really need to stop replying to things as I see them and organize everything into one post. Interesting developments. I admit I'm having some second thoughts about my vote for capybara and she may be town, but my reading on KatiRoo is definitively less piratish. Have we even gotten a defense post from KatiRoo since the wagon on her started? I'm loathe to see someone go down without at least a chance at a defense. A few pages back, you said (essentially) that you thought KatiRoo's actions, as I described them, seemed almost too contradictory to be scummy. I had this thought, too, actually, after I made my post. And then you posted this, which I had also thought. But here's the problem with refusing to vote for her unless she comes in to make a defense: townies make a habit of doing this, which the scum know. If I were scum, and someone called me out on a blatant contradiction for which I had no defense, I'd really have two choices: (1) come back to the thread and bluster, getting myself in deeper; or (2) stay away. Make no defense, and trust in the townies to convince themselves that they can't vote for me if I'm not here to defend myself. I did this myself a few times in the last game, frankly. Just - don't respond. Trust it'll blow over eventually. I admit there's no way to discern this from someone who's just away from their computer for half a day. But I don't want this sort of strategy to become a safe haven for anyone who gets fingered for something and can't defend it, either this Day or going forward. So I'm keeping my vote where it is. If I'm wrong, I'll take the heat for it, but I'm not going to spend the whole game concerned about my own hide; that way lies paralysis.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:46:55 GMT -5
Post by ArizonaTeach on May 25, 2007 8:46:55 GMT -5
Oh, I think FCOD is just saying what everyone is thinking, story...! But yes, absent of any reasoning from this game, it's rather unfair. I'd rather not punish or reward Auto based on the last game, either.
Yes, KatiRoo needs to check in. Tragically, I won't be back until it's all over, so, fingers crossed. See you all in the mess later tonight.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:52:36 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 25, 2007 8:52:36 GMT -5
Storyteller, I'm not saying that you've done anything suspicious. In my eyes, you haven't done anything that leads me to think you're a pirate. I'm just making sure that people examine what you say very closely. Let's be honest...last game you were the Godfather and you had the whole town following you around like the Pied Piper. I just don't want to see that happen again.
--FCOD
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:53:02 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 25, 2007 8:53:02 GMT -5
Oh, I think FCOD is just saying what everyone is thinking, story...! But yes, absent of any reasoning from this game, it's rather unfair. For the record, it doesn't matter whether it's fair or not - most of the reasons we come up with for doubting people prove to be unfair in the end. I am interested in the post less for what it says about me and more for what it may or may not say about my old buddy FCoD.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:55:03 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 25, 2007 8:55:03 GMT -5
Storyteller, I'm not saying that you've done anything suspicious. In my eyes, you haven't done anything that leads me to think you're a pirate. I'm just making sure that people examine what you say very closely. Let's be honest...last game you were the Godfather and you had the whole town following you around like the Pied Piper. I just don't want to see that happen again. --FCOD Fair enough. I don't want anyone following me around, either. Last game it was good that people were doing what I suggested, because it suited my purposes and I had reliable information. In this game, where I know jack-all, I kind of hope people listen less often. I provisionally retract the vague suspicion offered in my last post.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:57:45 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 25, 2007 8:57:45 GMT -5
Crap, sorry for the three posts in ten minutes... I really need to stop replying to things as I see them and organize everything into one post. Interesting developments. I admit I'm having some second thoughts about my vote for capybara and she may be town, but my reading on KatiRoo is definitively less piratish. Have we even gotten a defense post from KatiRoo since the wagon on her started? I'm loathe to see someone go down without at least a chance at a defense. A few pages back, you said (essentially) that you thought KatiRoo's actions, as I described them, seemed almost too contradictory to be scummy. I had this thought, too, actually, after I made my post. And then you posted this, which I had also thought. But here's the problem with refusing to vote for her unless she comes in to make a defense: townies make a habit of doing this, which the scum know. If I were scum, and someone called me out on a blatant contradiction for which I had no defense, I'd really have two choices: (1) come back to the thread and bluster, getting myself in deeper; or (2) stay away. Make no defense, and trust in the townies to convince themselves that they can't vote for me if I'm not here to defend myself. I did this myself a few times in the last game, frankly. Just - don't respond. Trust it'll blow over eventually. I admit there's no way to discern this from someone who's just away from their computer for half a day. But I don't want this sort of strategy to become a safe haven for anyone who gets fingered for something and can't defend it, either this Day or going forward. So I'm keeping my vote where it is. If I'm wrong, I'll take the heat for it, but I'm not going to spend the whole game concerned about my own hide; that way lies paralysis. Good point, and I agree. If I wasn't more suspicious of capybara, I would pressure her to respond more. OTOH, I think it's bad form to not respond to a call out. That is, if it's a legitimate call out and deserves a response, it's a little dishonest IMO to not at least acknowledge it and, instead, let everyone think you didn't have board access. Now, if it's a silly accusation, or one that would simply derail the discussion (like those who kept insisting on not trusting me two or three days after my Vig claim in M2, when it was apparent that lynching me wasn't going to happen), then I understand not responding simply because it's in the interest of the town not to muddy the water. Yes, it's not against the rules, but it's at least against the spirit of the game to simply not respond, especially if a wagon is on your ass, right? I mean, in a live version of the game, if people are accusing you, you can't just not respond, right? IOW, I expect she'll want to defend herself, especially since she's the leading candidate. At this point, a lack of a defense post is a death sentence, such that, regardless of whether she's a pirate or a crewman, she needs to do so. Until then, since her neck is already halfway in the noose anyway, I'll leave my vote where it is.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:58:08 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 25, 2007 8:58:08 GMT -5
I think I need to clarify more: I'm not saying we should pre-judge you based upon your role from the last game. I'm saying we need to pre-judge you based upon the skill at which you played. I hope you're not a pirate because the crew could certainly use a player that gives analysis like you do.
--FCOD
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Day One
May 25, 2007 8:59:52 GMT -5
Post by cowgirl on May 25, 2007 8:59:52 GMT -5
For the record, it doesn't matter whether it's fair or not - most of the reasons we come up with for doubting people prove to be unfair in the end. I am interested in the post less for what it says about me and more for what it may or may not say about my old buddy FCoD. I interpret FCoD's post as saying "You may find yourself agreeing with storyteller a lot. However, be reminded that we have seen that he can be apparently towny and very agreeable, and still not be town at all. Therefore, do not assume that storyteller is town just because you agree with him; that is not a valid assumption." (Note that this is not at all the same as saying "The last time storyteller was towny and agreeable, he turned out to be scum, so his acting towny and agreeable now means he is more likely to be scum.") That's how I see it, and if my representation is accurate, I agree.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 9:01:15 GMT -5
Post by Gadarene on May 25, 2007 9:01:15 GMT -5
Heh. True dat. Imagine how I feel, coming from a game where I've got perfect information!
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Day One
May 25, 2007 9:03:52 GMT -5
Post by Caerie on May 25, 2007 9:03:52 GMT -5
I'm going to try giving Autolycus the benefit of the doubt for now. I want to see some play out of him and some actual content. Maybe he was just totally clueless last time and is going to be an asset this time around. Or he's crew and a poor player. Or maybe he's scum. Pirates have wenches (and RL distractions) too, after all. Let's see something real there, presumably after the 30th, and then make decisions. As for FCoD's comment, I know how good at leading people storyteller is. Odds are good that he's town again, but I know he can be just as convincing when he's scum. Which means that just because it sounds good doesn't mean it is. I'm not that suspicious of him right now, but I'm keeping that in mind and I hope everyone else is, too. Don't trust anyone, even--and perhaps especially--when they give good advice. If you're going to vote for somebody, do it because of your own convictions, not somebody else's. Being a lemming in this game can only hurt the crew. And "lemming" can go both ways--voting the exact opposite of somebody just because you think they're scummy isn't going to be a good tactic, either. At this point, there's really just one thing making me reluctant about voting for KatiRoo. I still dislike the idea of voting off a relatively new player on the first day. But, it seems like it's going to come down to a choice between the two in the end. capybara has done some fishing, which could be very bad, but it didn't really strike me as being scummy enough to vote on. KatiRoo, on the other hand, seems to be holding some contradictory positions. Those could be new crew mistakes, but they seem a bit more likely to be new pirate trying to keep things straight. It was storyteller's interaction with her that drew my attention to her in the first place and his arguments that got me thinking, but it's what I'm seeing with my own eyes here that's making me suspicious. Particularly, it's these two posts. Could just be a newbie mistake, but I'm thinking not, especially not with the defense that comes afterwards. Vote KatiRoo
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Day One
May 25, 2007 9:22:52 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on May 25, 2007 9:22:52 GMT -5
Okay, guys, since it's coming down to capybara vs KatiRoo, I've pulled together all my posts. I'll do this in several posts for clarity. Analysis to follow.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 9:23:07 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on May 25, 2007 9:23:07 GMT -5
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Day One
May 25, 2007 9:23:24 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on May 25, 2007 9:23:24 GMT -5
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Day One
May 25, 2007 9:27:09 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on May 25, 2007 9:27:09 GMT -5
I still think Capybara is the better candidate.
Capybara posts. A *lot*. But the sum total of those posts doesn't come to much.
KatiRoo posts less, but reading the posts, she quotes more, refers to more posts and is more firm on issues.
If you look at Capybara's posts, they come to nearly NOTHING until openly criticized for this by MadTheSwine. Then, the post style changes radically.
Also, Capybara retreats as soon as is questioned. KatiRoo does not seem to fold easily. In fact, when voted for, KatiRoo explained the logic of the vote FOR her as acceptable, while Capybara shifted attention to Blaster Master.
My vote remains for Capybara.
Now, I'm not saying Capybara's 100% scum; just, to me, that the style of posting is far more scummy than KatiRoo.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 9:28:13 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on May 25, 2007 9:28:13 GMT -5
Okay, guys, since it's coming down to capybara vs KatiRoo, I've pulled together all my posts. I'll do this in several posts for clarity. Analysis to follow. All *their* posts. Ugh. Woe for no edit.
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Day One
May 25, 2007 9:36:45 GMT -5
Post by capybara on May 25, 2007 9:36:45 GMT -5
Ok, Pacific time zone waking up. need to review.
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