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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 20:46:03 GMT -5
Here's my promised topic. It's come from a slow build up and long history of games, but man it just so always sucks for me in mafia games. Every time. Just look at the history: Game 2 I wasn't even in. But I had the chance to sub in twice. Both times I was asked first, but the first time I didn't check back for a day or two before I noticed and the second time I did reply back fast but it still went to someone else. Game 3 was a two-fer. I accidently saw info I shouldn't have...but what's more, Gad messed up when he was supposed to kill me off. I then stayed in the game three more full Days before dying, one of those Days in which I saved someone ( nesta) who, by all rights, should have been killed too since I was technically dead. Game 4 I'm accused by zuma for attacking him when I'm Town and I know it. And everyone was ready to vote kill me off even though things didn't make any sense. Game 5 my scum buddies propose a plan I don't like and don't think will work and I say I'm not going to do it...but then I relent thinking "well, in the end I'm not going to desert my team" and so I do it and it fails. This game 7 was another two-fer, first I'm PMed by Dio and we both PM the mods telling them what happened so he's mod killed. Then I'm accidently killed! I'm almost certain I could have gotten myself out of the heat toDay had I been given the chance and wouldn't have had to roleclaim. It all sucks and it ALWAYS SEEMS to happen to ME. Always. Every. Single. Game. Even in the 8th game, look at the hooha about me. I'm starting to believe that some people are just naturally unlucky when it comes to certain things and me, my thing is Mafia Games. Every game I've been in and even one I haven't something happened which sucked to me. I don't get it. Last Night when everyone was accusing me of having perfect knowledge, that bothered me a bit. Not the fact that they found that suspicious, but the fact that everyone so easily dismissed "well, maybe I'm just a good player?". That wasn't boasting. That wasn't tooting my own horn. That wasn't me full of myself or playing the "don't hate me because I'm beautiful" card. That was ME defending myself against what I knew to be what the case really had to be. But nobody could give that a thought. No, everyone thought it had to be because I had knowledge of what side and role and role name DB had and nobody even bothered to think, for one second "Hm..well, it's true he did know fluid was scum from the get go in III and that NAF was from Day Two on in IV, so maybe he really is a good judge? It's possible, at least". Me, I tried saying this was the case...because....what else could I say? It was the truth. How else could I have said it? I don't know what I could have offered as defense, because, as you all know now, I didn't have any info or knowledge. So all I could say was "well, I just happened to be right guys! How is that scummy?" So yeah, that annoyed me just a bit. And it hurt a bit too. Like it was saying "no way, nobody could be THAT good". But then, I find I'm killed off even though I protected myself. Well, that's fine. Mistakes happen. But I still have to pay a price some with getting my role revealed now and my powers downgraded and I can't help but grumble a bit over that. *shrugs* And then...(and this is one of the main points of this topic)....this is what I saw. When it was revealed I really was Town and that I really was right from Day One about DB and was sure enough to say how sure I was on Day Three and Four....people still didn't say anything. No "Wow, I guess he was right" or "Guess I didn't give him enough credit". That would have been nice, a bit. Because it hurts a bit feeling like people think you're no good at this game. Or that you have to have some sort of perfect knowledge just to get scum right and be so sure of it. So I read those comments thinking people might actually say things along these lines.... ...but no, it was actully more "Heck, it's posts like this that made you suspicious looking" and some semi-joking "If I didn't know you were Town, I'd have thought you were still suspicous". Bluh? So I was pegged as having perfect knowledge and not being as good as to be so sure someone is scum, and then I turn out to be Town and people realize it was just good judgement..and they STILL say "well, I found you suspicious"? What about the "sorry we didn't believe you, Idle" comments? Or the "Well, we know now you didn't have any knowledge so good play there, Idle."? You know...some post-mortum recognition? I didn't get it in life and I didn't even in death. I dunno why and I know it's just a game but I consider you guys peers whose opinions matter to me. So that hurt. Maybe I'm stupid for letting it effect me but it hurt. And no, this isn't to dnooman, it's to all who doubted me that last Night but haven't said anything otherwise yet. : / Just kinda disheartening. dnooman just happened to be right there at the time so I took my hurt and upsetness out on him. I'm sorry again, dnooman. I didn't mean it. I shouldn't have done it. I know it's only a game but I consider the people I play this with (all of you) my friends..no matter which of you are scum or Town in the end. So it just hurt on a more personal level, I guess. Again, maybe I'm wrong for letting it get to me like it did and like it still does somewhat. I don't think I'm cut out for this game anymore. After this one and Pleo's I'm taking a break from it. A long one. From playing at least. I'll still host every so often and I'm going to continue to let people host them here....but I don't really feel like playing anymore. It just seems to suck in some way every game for me. I'm extremely bad luck it seems, in these games and I didn't like the feeling of hurt I felt last Night and early toDay. I'll even help co-host if anyone ever needs one...but after this game on here, I'm just going to stick to board upkeep, installing, hacks, skins, fixing bugs, and general board stuffs while the games go on and are hosted here. Maybe I'll play again sometime...but I really need a break from them for now after these two that I'm in end. That's all. Just wanted to explain my actions and outburst in the topic and what I was/am feeling.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 15, 2007 21:45:24 GMT -5
First, some virtual huggles for Idle.
*huggles*
And now, some practical advice.
Like it or not, Idle, you now have a Reputation (tm). You do have a very aggressive, almost hostile playstyle, and both honest townies trying to poke through your layers of prickliness and unscrupulous scum trying to fan the flames are going to give you extra scrutiny.
One of the things I've learned to do since being lynched twice for my distracting shininess is to just not post my gut reaction, because my initial choice of words tends to be so poor. Plus I've calmed down a lot and not worried as much about either being killed or lynching people. I'm just playing a role in a game, even one as mundane as "Vanilla Townie". It's not me, personally, that people are attacking, but my in-game mask.
So now you have a choice to make. Do you want to go whole hog (pun intended) like MadtheSwine does, or find a new playstyle that you'd be happy with?
Of course, it's going to take a while for your Reputation (tm) to fade, so expect lots of half-hearted jabs about size 72 font. Heck, you might want to disarm your naysayers by making fun of yourself, too.
That reminds me, I need to go all Protective Big Sister for you on Diomedes, who is being unnecessarily mean.
*grabs Diomedes and gives him a painful noogie*
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 15, 2007 22:16:30 GMT -5
Two responses from me, one specific and one general:
On this specific case - from my perspective, at least, what was suspicious was NOT that you correctly identified scum, per se. Had you been right, all other considerations aside, I'd have mentally put a small check mark next to your name and moved on from there. For me, it was the degree of certainty that you seemed to have about drain that seemed hinky. It's very unusual, in my experience so far, for pro-town players to express that degree of confidence. Pro-town players have a tendency to hem and haw and try to distance themselves from their own opinions, in an effort to avoid getting lynched (it's something I've tried to avoid as a vanilla, but I fall into the trap, too). Scum are more often able to be confident, because they know the outcome will make them look good. It's not a certain thing, but it's a possible tell, which leads to point #2, which is this:
This game is really hard. It's very hard to separate out your game self from your real self and not respond emotionally to people who are, after all, attacking you. In this current game I was accused of being a glory hog, called out as (basically) a drama queen, called insincere, accused of staging an argument that I meant very sincerely. For a while I was getting really, really pissed off.
But the thing is, this game conditions you to look at everything in the worst possible light. It does not encourage positive thinking. It does not encourage players to be nice or even congratulatory to those who share the same way of thinking, because: (1) they might be scum; and (2) you might get accused of trying to suck up to a townie. If someone in that game thread came in to say, "nice work, Idle," how long do you think it would be before someone accused them of some nefarious intent? This isn't a bad thing, any more than the fact that basketball encourages you to look for flaws in your opponent's dribble, but if you don't keep your thinking firmly divided between game and not-game, you end up getting your feelings hurt, or getting pissed, or playing poorly.
Oh - and I'd venture to say that it is partly because you have a reputation as a skillful player (and especially as skillful scum) that you are scrutinized more intensely. Starting Asylum Lane I was PETRIFIED that Blaster would be scum, because I thought if he was, he'd be very hard to catch. So I was hypervigilant with him in a way that I wasn't with all the other players. That was foolish of me, because although it worked out well in that game it obviously didn't in this one, but it's human nature.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 15, 2007 22:44:39 GMT -5
*nod*
I like you, Idle and I do like the way you play. Story's right in this game doesn't foster positive thinking though. And saying someone looks good in a game, tends to make me on edge, and I tend to distrust them for it, because the game makes me think that all comments are insincere. It's not the most positive attitude to foster social relationships with. But with that Said, I consider you a top-notch player, and certainly someone who i'd always be happy to have playing in a game. You, Blaster, and Storyteller are some of my favorite players watch in these games, and I always am pleased to be playing along side you as a player.
I think you are a great player, and yes, you've been unfortunately unlucky just in the way things have gone, but those have been out of game scenarios. You as a player, I consider top-notch. Your Brilliant Defense in the Pirate Mafia is something I'll always remember as a "great top 10 moment" even though I know it probably was a painful thing to go through, I will tell you that for an outsider it was AMAZINGLY entertaining. That's what I strive for in the back of my mind as well, sure I'm playing a Game, and I want to do well, but at heart I always also want to make the game fun. I want to entertain the readers, because that's kinda how I started out. Just reading these games. So you have CERTAINLY been an entertaining player, your work in the Pirate game, and then your Gamble in the MonkGate Fiasco; they may not have been the most successful of plays, but they were excellent for others to enjoy. I consider you a very "fun" player to play alongside, and I don't grimace or anything like that when I hear your name. I certainly hope you don't let the unlucky rolls of the dice turn you off these games, and I hope to play along side you again someday, Idle.
It's hard to say these things IN the game, but out of the Game, I don't mind saying it at all. Thank you for being one of the reasons I wanted to sign up for these boards, and for actually getting me involved into playing these games. Thank you, dude.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 23:51:02 GMT -5
Thank you three who have replied so far. I read everyone's reply fully and I feel a lot better. Not just a bit, a lot.
Thank you.
I do try to make fun of myself when I can. I do know that I'm one to post in caps or in size 55 font (actually that latter one I haven't done the last two games--trying to break the habit) and I don't mind joking around with it or others doing so. What I was finding frustrating was just the fact that those who I believed to be Town (like you, storyteller and dnooman) just seemed to think it wasn't possible for anyone (not just me) to be that sure someone being scum. Thing is, I've done it many times in this game and in the past. zuma I knew was lying in IV. NAF I just about knew was scum in the same game. In III I figured fluid to be one on Day one and rode her until then. in this one I did the same with DB. So far in all the games that I've been Town in (III, IV, and this one--I'm NOT including V because I was scum and I'm not including Pleonasts because I don't want to meta-game--something I feel is easy to do when you have two games going on at once with a lot of the same players), I've gotten people right and were that sure (as sure as I was of DB) on them. So I guess my point is.....like you say, dotchan, I wish people would start seeing my Rep (TM) as "Player who, if Town, is pretty good" rather than "Player who's most likely to be the most aggressive, hostle, and TALK LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME!!"
Hahahaha.
Thank you for your replies and advice and thoughts, though.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 15, 2007 23:59:28 GMT -5
Yeah.... I dislike my rep of "Player that posts ALOT" I'm trying to get away from it.... But I have a feeling I'll ALWAYS end up having the most posts just for the next few months because it's still like being a kid in disneyland and getting to play.
But yeah, in future games, I'm gonna try to keep the voice down.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2007 0:13:56 GMT -5
There are precious few things about (my) reality that seem to have any place whatsoever in Mafia games... The top three that come to mind are: 1) Humor 2) The Golden Rule 3) Turning the other cheek Any other way that I may or may not act or react in the rest of my life has a high likelihood of getting me quickly killed by one side or the other. Probably the most sobering realization I've come to is that even the products of intelligence are things that often need to be kept close to the vest. "Thinking out loud" can only occur in very carefully controlled ways. I often wish that the post-game conversations were longer, because that is when everyone can really and truly be themselves. But on the other hand, I completely understand why they don't last very long, considering how long these games take, and everyone has their eyes on the next one in line. Not sure if any of this helps at all, but it is the flow of consciousness that came out after reading this thread.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 16, 2007 3:26:41 GMT -5
Ok Idle Thoughts, here is my opinion, and I'll be blunt and it is not pretty.
I'll split it into three parts.
1. The title of this thread. "This Sucks". No, it doesn't suck as bad as you think, but it's a pretty self centred title. A large chunk of stuff that has occured has been due to your actions and no-one else's. You really need to understand that it is your words and actions in these games that put you in the situations you have wound up in (with a couple of exceptions).
2. The Games.
Game II. You didn't get in, other people were faster. It happens, its not a slight against you Game III: Yes, Gaderene scr3wed up, and you stayed in longer than you should of. However, don't downplay your actions during the time you had read forbidden info and got SnakesCatLady lynched. it left a bad impression that I guess you are still having to work off. You absolute certainty about your lynch that time will count against you in future games. Game IV: You are set up good and proper by zuma. Congratulations, welcome to the game of Mafia. As far as I am concerned your defence was the worst kind of whining I have seen as you tried to pull all kinds of meta game tricks to stay alive. You spent so long trying to stay alive, you didn't consider the benefits of your lynch to the town. Yes everyone was prepared to kill you off because it did make sense. You should thank tirial and MadTheSwine IIRC for finding the inaccuracies and saving you. Game V: Until that plan you had played well, why denigrate yourself just because it went wrong. You had a blinding game up until that point. Conspiracy: You are so busy playing at being "I'm the most powerful role, bow down and worship me" that you forget the other players have their own roles and concerns as well. You are being incredibly arrogant in demanding information which benefits you without appearing to consider other people's reasoning. Firefly: How sure is sure. No, I don't think you would have escaped the lynch without a roleclaim. You actions were one of those who knew too much ie. scum.
3. Playing style: You are a good player and you do have good insights into the way people play the game. Your record at spotting scum is not bad either. Your biggest problem is how you come across in the games. You don't always spend the time to fill out your explanations and what might be construed as intuition in everday life comes across as a big fat scum tell in Mafia. If you wonder why I have spent a lot of time arguing with you in Mafia games, it is to bring clarity to your arguments so I can determine whether you are scum or not. Next, as a townie, your play tends to be very much pro-you and not much to everyone else. Remember, the idea is for everyone to enjoy the game, not win or lose it. Everyone has their own reasons for what they do in game, it is not a scum tell if they do something you consider anti-you. Even if you do not understand what they are doing or cannot see the reasoning for it.
Strangely enough, your best game was Mafia V, where you actually came across as pro-town for the majority of the game. You provided good reasoning and was a helpful member of the group. If you could replicate that as a town player, you would become a very good player indeed.
So, my suggestions for you.
1. Remember it is a game. People's actions in game are purely because of the game. 2. Explain yourself clearly when you are making any arguments. You do tend to miss out your working which most people require to understand where you are coming from. 3. Stop being pro-you, start being pro-town. Remember that only as a team are the town going to win (unless your MtS). 4. Work out what you did in MV and go and do it when you are a townie. 5. Taking a break is a good idea. All Mafia and no play makes Idle Thoughts a dull boy. 6. Remember it is a game. Enjoy it and have a few laughs.
Finally, you are a good player, so don't let it get you down. Consider that they are more likely to be observed, picked on, annoyed that the rest of us mere mortals, so if you want to be a great player, get use to it now.
This is only my opinion, so take it or leave it for what its worth to you.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2007 15:00:03 GMT -5
Ok Idle Thoughts, here is my opinion, and I'll be blunt and it is not pretty. I'll split it into three parts. 1. The title of this thread. "This Sucks". No, it doesn't suck as bad as you think, but it's a pretty self centred title. A large chunk of stuff that has occured has been due to your actions and no-one else's. You really need to understand that it is your words and actions in these games that put you in the situations you have wound up in (with a couple of exceptions). I can think of one exception...that being the seeing of info in III. *shrugs* I don't see how it was my actions that caused Gad or NAF to mix things up...or zuma to accuse me...or Dio to PM me. Maybe the relenting in V to do what my scum buddies wanted me to do was on me, but I don't know how that was a bad thing (sticking with what the rest of any team you're on wants to do). And regarding game two...Actually I replied back right when I got the PM. NAF even apoligized for this (and said he felt bad) since he gave it to someone else. I still have that PM, hahaha. Water under the bridge, but it's still unlucky stuff, however minor. As far as I remember it was AZteach, FCoD, and someone else (I forget who but it wasn't tirial) who played a major role in finding the inaccuracy. But anyway, I don't know what else I was supposed to do in that game. Just lay down and give up? *shrugs* I guess that's just my nature. Dunno why. Maybe I was never hugged enough growing up. Or don't ever feel like I get enough praise or compliments when I actually do right or good things. I gave out this board for people to use. I made skins for everyone. I put in hacks I thought were great and even some that people requested. I tried to make it fun to personalize things. I can remember two or three people who thanked me for all of it. Just two or three. Maybe I haven't seen the rest, but I don't know where it is. Do I care? Not really. Would I still do it even if I never got ANY thanks? Yeah. But that doesn't change the fact that it's nice to have sometimes. It's nice to hear "Oh, hey Idle! Thanks a lot for doing this!" every so often. So again, I don't know what else to do but just shrug at this. I'm used to being down on myself and thinking I suck. This isn't the/a "pity me" party. This is just facts. I know all this yet I live with it. I'm moderately happy with my life and online life. But again, just is nice sometimes to get recognition in some way. I have not done this and I don't know why you're saying I did/have. But I wasn't scum. So what was it then? I can only think of "Well he was right." So either by lucky guess or good at the game....it doesn't matter. I just didn't see anyone saying this or giving me credit. And I read story's post about how it looks shady. I agree. But some were already dead who had said those things, so I don't know why it would matter. I only usually make some of the longest posts in the game. I always try to be clear in the why's when I vote. Again, I don't know where you get this from. Could you give me some examples? I read all of this post and the rest of it which I snipped. I snipped it because I agree with it all to a point and I appreciate you giving me constructive critisism.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 16, 2007 18:55:58 GMT -5
I guess that's just my nature. Dunno why. Maybe I was never hugged enough growing up. {{{{{ Idle Thoughts}}}}} And feel really crappy when someone criticizes you? I know those feelings. Well, if I haven't said it before: Thanks for all of that, Idle. It's all awesome. And I do hope you join in another game or two after you take your break. (Although if you just mod, I'll happily take advantage of that! ;D)
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 18:58:11 GMT -5
*another Overprotective Big Sister Hug for Idle*
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2007 23:23:51 GMT -5
Ha, thanks.
Guess I should add more things to the karma levels since we've had people go above and below the limits.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 23:40:27 GMT -5
Idle, I think everybody was just so in shock at losing three town players overnight, including the Doctor, and trying to process who, what, and why, that you nailing drainbead was the last thing on our minds. Had you been lynched, or even been a single night kill, I think the reaction would have been different. <snip>I often wish that the post-game conversations were longer, because that is when everyone can really and truly be themselves. But on the other hand, I completely understand why they don't last very long, considering how long these games take, and everyone has their eyes on the next one in line. <snip> Kind of like a rugby social. I wouldn't play if it wasn't for the social, where you can shake hands and have a beer with the guy you just creamed the snot out of, and his buddy, who just creamed the snot out of you!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2007 23:43:09 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a good point, pygmy. Thanks for telling it to me.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 17, 2007 0:29:07 GMT -5
As far as I remember it was AZteach, FCoD, and someone else (I forget who but it wasn't tirial) who played a major role in finding the inaccuracy. But anyway, I don't know what else I was supposed to do in that game. Just lay down and give up? *shrugs* There is defending your case and Defending your case, oh how could you do this to me I'm Town, I'm Town Oh why Oh why won't any of you believe me! Wail! Wail!It's So Unfair!!That will get you a reputation The consipracy game: In #786 you said the following: I can bring people back to LIFE. AND THEY'D KNOW their killers! I can learn all that people know about their role at the time of their death. ALL INFO that they know. I'm probably one of the most powerful roles in the game!That really doesn't endear yourself to the other players in a game full of power roles. It annoys people because it comes across as "that we should just do as you say because you are the more powerful role" without your consideration that as power roles ourselves we have our own reasons for doing things. Remember what I said about boasting earlier on. You might not see it as that, but that is how it came across to me The Firefly Game: But I wasn't scum. So what was it then? I can only think of "Well he was right." So either by lucky guess or good at the game....it doesn't matter. I just didn't see anyone saying this or giving me credit. And I read story's post about how it looks shady. I agree. But some were already dead who had said those things, so I don't know why it would matter. Aah, but Idle Thoughts, you knew you were not scum, not us. We only get the benfit of hindsight after death. As for getting it right - you did, but as pointed out by others it did kind of get lost in the general Day4/5 malarky. So, congrats on getting it right even down to role. ;D I only usually make some of the longest posts in the game. I always try to be clear in the why's when I vote. Long post does not always equal understandable post. Try making them more concise or breaking them up into two or three smaller posts. If everything goes into one post, it makes it much harder for someone to understand the point you are trying to put across. Your pro-you play is more my opinion than hard fact and it seems to come from the way you play. As a current example, I would categorise your play in Conspiracy as pro-you as you are demanding info from the town ( sachertorte in particular) and being very vocal about it without appearing to think or even care about why it might not be forthcoming. As a suggestion, instead of demanding, which is how it appears, try asking for the info and giving a good reason. I guess that's just my nature. Dunno why. Maybe I was never hugged enough growing up. Or don't ever feel like I get enough praise or compliments when I actually do right or good things. I gave out this board for people to use. I made skins for everyone. I put in hacks I thought were great and even some that people requested. I tried to make it fun to personalize things. I can remember two or three people who thanked me for all of it. Just two or three. Maybe I haven't seen the rest, but I don't know where it is. Do I care? Not really. Would I still do it even if I never got ANY thanks? Yeah. But that doesn't change the fact that it's nice to have sometimes. It's nice to hear "Oh, hey Idle! Thanks a lot for doing this!" every so often. So again, I don't know what else to do but just shrug at this. I'm used to being down on myself and thinking I suck. This isn't the/a "pity me" party. This is just facts. I know all this yet I live with it. I'm moderately happy with my life and online life. But again, just is nice sometimes to get recognition in some way. You have done an excellent job on the boards and they have come in very useful and will probably become the defacto scum boards for the SDMB. The skins and hacks have made life a lot easier and have proved both useful and amusing. I am sure the mods of the current games, REALLY appreciate the boards you have set up for them, even if they don't say it. Finally, don't be down on yourself, there is rarely a good reason for it. Recognise your faults, your strengths and make yourself a better person. And above all, keep getting the ladies to give you hugs, it always feel nice.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 17, 2007 0:53:20 GMT -5
Hey, can we leave the M:Conspiracy talk out of it. Because I know not all of them read these boards, and won't have access to it. And I kinda view it as "advising" Idle on how to behave. So i'd rather just feel more comfortable with not talking about games in progress.... kthxbyE
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 17, 2007 1:23:32 GMT -5
Hey, can we leave the M:Conspiracy talk out of it. Because I know not all of them read these boards, and won't have access to it. And I kinda view it as "advising" Idle on how to behave. So i'd rather just feel more comfortable with not talking about games in progress.... kthxbyE Although I have already mentioned these points in the other game, its a fair point. I will leave it alone.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 17, 2007 14:41:29 GMT -5
There is defending your case and Defending your case, oh how could you do this to me I'm Town, I'm Town Oh why Oh why won't any of you believe me! Wail! Wail!It's So Unfair!!That will get you a reputation Hey! I see that as a form of defense! I didn't know what else to say or offer. I didn't really have anything. I dunno...when I asked Pleo in PM he said "Yeah, it's one of the most powerful roles in the game". It wasn't. I was just telling people the full ramifications of lynching me. That this would be what they're giving up. I know that. I was saying after it was revealed who I was, people still weren't saying "Wow, he WAS town. I guess it was that he's just sorta good. Wow! Some people really could be just lucky or good and not have perfect knowledge!" Thank you. That's all I was talking about/wanted. I feel loved now. I don't know that he's Town. But I do not wish to talk about this anymore as it's coming dangerously close to major meta-gaming. So if you still feel all that way, then we just have to agree to disagree. I never demanded anything. I did the latter on several occations. So I will agree to disagree. *shrugs* But I thank you for replying back and answering the questions from how you see it and what you think. Thanks! And, here's a confession: FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I cannot stop thinking of you/picturing you/seeing you in my mind as a female. It just won't work. Every time I read a post by you, see a post by you, see your name, I think and see: female. Even now, I need to constantly stop myself from thinking "I'm replying back to a female". I just cannot get an image of you in my mind as a guy. It's like my brain refuses that info. Often, even when I type out posts and refer to you in the pronoun form, I type "her" and "she" and all that and then have to remember to go back and correct them (which I catch IF I'M LUCKY). And you're not the only one either. There are two other males who my mind does this with simply because I thought they were females for so long. It's impossible, now, for my mind to wrap around anything otherwise. sach and atarus. sach is the worst, though. When I type pronouns, I ALWAYS make them "she" and "her" on the SDMB and then have to smack my head and go back and correct them. I'm sure there's been some that I've missed. I know there has, in fact, because sach has to say, sometimes "I'm a guy". But my mind just don't see that, hahaha.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 17, 2007 15:12:34 GMT -5
And you're not the only one either. There are two other males who my mind does this with simply because I thought they were females for so long. It's impossible, now, for my mind to wrap around anything otherwise. sach and atarus. sach is the worst, though. When I type pronouns, I ALWAYS make them "she" and "her" on the SDMB and then have to smack my head and go back and correct them. I'm sure there's been some that I've missed. I know there has, in fact, because sach has to say, sometimes "I'm a guy". But my mind just don't see that, hahaha. Yeah, I have that problem, too. I've pretty much adjusted to CatinaSuit being a guy and Cookies being a girl, but I had them wrong at first. I thought nesta was female for ages. I always forget that FlyingCowofDoom is female. It's tough.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 17, 2007 16:01:45 GMT -5
I always forget that FlyingCowofDoom is female. It's tough. *chortle*
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 19, 2007 1:04:01 GMT -5
I always forget that FlyingCowofDoom is female. It's tough. You mean the avatar is not a self portait And I thought we had the cleverest little doggie in the world posting on this board.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 19, 2007 22:21:43 GMT -5
Hey, Idle, ya got room on that Bar of Self Pity? ;D
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Post by diggitcamara on Nov 12, 2007 20:16:48 GMT -5
Idle, I think everybody was just so in shock at losing three town players overnight, including the Doctor, and trying to process who, what, and why, that you nailing drainbead was the last thing on our minds. Had you been lynched, or even been a single night kill, I think the reaction would have been different. <snip>I often wish that the post-game conversations were longer, because that is when everyone can really and truly be themselves. But on the other hand, I completely understand why they don't last very long, considering how long these games take, and everyone has their eyes on the next one in line. <snip> Kind of like a rugby social. I wouldn't play if it wasn't for the social, where you can shake hands and have a beer with the guy you just creamed the snot out of, and his buddy, who just creamed the snot out of you! In addition to that, there's always the "right-now" factor. I've noticed that very few players actually dig up past voting patterns/posts because they're not directly available. So, if I want to make a point I will stubbornly repeat it. Day. After. Day. Until it sinks in.
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Post by diggitcamara on Nov 12, 2007 20:17:09 GMT -5
And, concerning Idle's mafia-"persona", what I've noticed is that so far it's not changed very much at all. You don't seem very introspective, Idle, and are actually offended when someone dares to suggest that you've made a mistake. Remember the kerfluffle we had during Gadarene's game? In that case I was extremely frustrated because you had formed your opinion about someone (SnakesCatLady) and simply refused to listen to anyone else's ideas. I even went as far as to vote against you, because I was convinced at the time that killing a definite townie was better than leaving you alive (AND you had a protective town role in that game, which you had announced).
The thing is: during these games sometimes you have to leave your ego behind and act for the benefit of your team. The games I have played with you (so far) seem to indicate that your ego is front and center. Like many people have said in this thread: separate your persona from your self. And don't take your persona seriously. These games are supposed to be fun, after all.
(I'd add: picture yourself as a bit player. That way, should the limelight be thrust on you, you'll have that much more fun).
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Post by Santo Rugger on Nov 13, 2007 4:15:46 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a good point, pygmy. Thanks for telling it to me. Just wanted to let you know, Idle, that, even though I was scum, I was being sincere in that post.
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 13, 2007 5:02:59 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts,
I just read your plan for getting rid of scum that you were sure existed ie. me.
I'm not sure what you were thinking, but that had a real possilbility of losing the game for the town.
If you had done it and Cookies had not slipped up, I have no doubt that the scum would be cheering.
Effectively you would have handed 4 townies (2 day lynches, me + you, and 2 night kills ) to the chopping block without the scum having to do much at all.
If you ever feel the urge to do something like this again.
Think real hard.
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Post by sachertorte on Nov 13, 2007 11:26:45 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts, I hope I haven't done anything to upset you in the two games that I've played. While I truly don't understand you, I think that is part of the fun. And I'm inclined to think that you don't understand me either. Anyway, if I've done anything to upset you, I assure you it was unintentional and I offer apologies. On a lighter note: There are two other males who my mind does this with simply because I thought they were females for so long. It's impossible, now, for my mind to wrap around anything otherwise. sach and atarus. sach is the worst, though. When I type pronouns, I ALWAYS make them "she" and "her" on the SDMB and then have to smack my head and go back and correct them. I'm sure there's been some that I've missed. I know there has, in fact, because sach has to say, sometimes "I'm a guy". But my mind just don't see that, hahaha. Does it help if I tell you I'm married to a man?
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Post by RoOsh on Nov 13, 2007 11:42:38 GMT -5
See i just try to associate names to things that I already have genders for. The only problem is for the FCoD, cuz I associate Cows as female. but for Cookies it works, cuz in my head cookies are female. And Sach can work, cuz I then think of Satch (Louis Armstrong & Joe Satriani's Nicknames) So I now will associate Sachertorte as a dude.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Nov 13, 2007 15:31:25 GMT -5
And, concerning Idle's mafia-"persona", what I've noticed is that so far it's not changed very much at all. You don't seem very introspective, Idle, and are actually offended when someone dares to suggest that you've made a mistake. I don't see how. I think and feel I'm one of the people in the games that actually always tries to keep their mind open to ever y option. But that was based on seeing info I shouldn't have. Had I not seen that info, I would have never thought it. The info I saw, if you remember, was that either SCL or Rachm was scum. One or the other. I just happened to choose wrong. But it was knowing that, for certain, one or the other was scum that made it easier to stonewall in my beliefs. How so? I don't understand this. How? Well they're not fun for me anymore. Because people keep saying my ego gets in the way when I don't even have any ego to begin with (it was thrown onto the floor many, many years ago). I don't understand how you say it is. How so?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Nov 13, 2007 15:33:12 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts, I just read your plan for getting rid of scum that you were sure existed ie. me. I'm not sure what you were thinking, but that had a real possilbility of losing the game for the town. If you had done it and Cookies had not slipped up, I have no doubt that the scum would be cheering. Effectively you would have handed 4 townies (2 day lynches, me + you, and 2 night kills ) to the chopping block without the scum having to do much at all. If you ever feel the urge to do something like this again. Think real hard. Gee, I didn't wind up doing it, did I? Guess I would up "thinking real hard". But thanks for chastising me over it anyway even though I came to the right conclusion myself already and didn't wind up doing it.
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