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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 20:13:53 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 23, 2009 20:13:53 GMT -5
i can sit with someone during the night. if during the night they are attacked by the alien i will foil the attack and also become knowledgeable of who the alien is. if the person i sit with is targeted by any other action i stand in their place. comes with a drawback, however. as a consequence of me sitting with them, if they have any night actions, then they will not be able to carry them out if they are able. Hahahahahahahahaa. You're kidding, right? You know the alien has an attack power and you can protect someone from the alien and and if the alien attacks your protectee you find out the identity of said alien. Yet you decided to sit with Ed instead of the claimed alien hunter Night 1...because Ed wasn't on your case...so you thought he might be scum. Then you intentionally blocked him again last night, the only guy that has given us any information at all in this game, because he might have bussed a scum buddy at a time when scum and alien are wiping the floor with us. I'm sure all this makes perfect sense in the peekerverse. Have a couple of fuzzy bunnies My vote stands.
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 20:20:19 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2009 20:20:19 GMT -5
might as well. i am ripley and i got the neopolitan role from hell. so, what's fucking new. i am a boddocker (my term) i can sit with someone during the night. if during the night they are attacked by the alien i will foil the attack and also become knowledgeable of who the alien is. if the person i sit with is targeted by any other action i stand in their place. comes with a drawback, however. as a consequence of me sitting with them, if they have any night actions, then they will not be able to carry them out if they are able. so, i will at least mostly confirm ed. i sat with him on Nights 1 and 3. i won't disclose who i sat with on Night 2, just yet because i want to see what else comes up. so ed's story is consistent with my actions. now, for those who would ask why ed? bolding mine yes, why on Earth me? So, you had some inkling that the Alien could attack. And on NIght 1, you sat with me?!?! and not Sister?!?! Even you aren't that silly. And I get that you're mad that I outed you in NSFW as Scum and got you lynched. I'm not sure how C3 has anything to do with anything since that's a 4 faction game, most players aren't Town. I lived 1 Day. Other than that, I don't particularly recall ever being on your ass, except for NSFW. Granted, I used what I thought was your scum tell from another game (Princess Bride, maybe?) where I died before ever figuring it out. In any case, the logic of sitting with me when there was an outed danger to the Aliens is just ridiculous. Vote: peeker
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 20:26:15 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2009 20:26:15 GMT -5
my logic has been poor thus far i admit.
i really thought that sis was full of it when i heard her claim. 'cause i didn't see how me being what i am reconciled with what she said she was. apparently, i was wrong. i actually kind of thought she might be the alien. like i said, apparently not my most stellar performance.
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 20:45:56 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2009 20:45:56 GMT -5
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 20:49:59 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2009 20:49:59 GMT -5
hey, steveat a time when scum and alien are wiping the floor with us seem awful convinced that there is an alien out there, dontya. oh that's right don't take my word for it. know something there, my friend?
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 21:17:52 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 23, 2009 21:17:52 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, peeker your essentially a watcher, cop, and a blocker? Dude I find that really hard to believe...I mean I have seen some real whoppers of a claim before but that I find really hard to believe. You can watch, investigate and block people...like dude how powerful of a role do you seriously think someone can be? ? Especially since you say it is to stop the alien from attacking...but here is the thing...Was that not sister c that was for tracking it? Which to be honest I am not quite sure why she was...I mean there is nothing to really be worried about. And are you ready for it? I was all for mass claim so better put my money where my mouth is as the age old saying goes... The alien does not attack...the alien does not kill...the alien does not steal wins. The alien is a third party mad bomber, that wins with which ever side wins...In this case it is town I have tried my hardest to help win with. So a gold star to all those that geussed mad bomber.... So yes I am the 3rd party alien. I simply tag people at night and then when all people are tagged I win along side whichever side wins. Which as I said I am trying my best for it to be town. So all the hype for the alien is killing and attacking is BS and not true. I have no power to kill, hurt, mame, or do anything else mean or bad to anyone. This is also why sinjin (steve) I was going off like I was about kyboshing the idea of the alien as a killer or attacker the other day. So I am going to be: vote Peeker As I said, how can your role be to prevent me from attacking when...well I do not attack? I tag, which really is harmless. Yes I am not technically town, but as I said I do not steal the win but win along side and can help you win.
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 21:35:35 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2009 21:35:35 GMT -5
We still need claims from: redskeezix stroyteller Pleonast
Alive: 1. peekercpa - Anti-Alien paranoid doc 2. Special Ed - detective 5. shaggy - Alien innocent 3rd Party 8. redskeezix 10. storyteller 14. Pleonast 17. sinjin - Vanilla?? 19. Nanook - Mason 20. sachertorte - Mason
Dead: 11. Chucara - White Hat - Vote Switcher 4. Guy Incognito - Serving Droid 9. Sister Coyote - Xenobiologist 13. hockeyguy - Security Guard - Roleblocker 3. BillMc - Ambassador 12. pedescribe - Photographer 15. Natlaw - Journalist 16. dirx - Weapons Expert - ToughtGuy 6. Kat! - Mason 7. nphase 18. MHaye
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 21:38:04 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 23, 2009 21:38:04 GMT -5
hey, steveat a time when scum and alien are wiping the floor with us seem awful convinced that there is an alien out there, dontya. oh that's right don't take my word for it. know something there, my friend? CatinaSuit: SisterC: I haven't seen a protean entity turn up dead yet, have you? Maybe its one of last nights three dead. I don't know, do you?
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 23:17:17 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Nov 23, 2009 23:17:17 GMT -5
I'm Marcus, I'm a PhD student on the ship studying the effects of the star drive on people not conditioned for the jump. I'm a Vanilla Passenger.
Peeker, that claim doesn't make any sense. 3 roles in 1? Why the duplication of the Alien Investigator role (sisC), and the roleblocker (hockeyguy)? And since shaggy has claimed alien, I'm assuming you're scum or PFK. Vote: peekercpa
On shaggy. The mad bomber role doesn't work as non winstealing. Why tag, why have a special investigator if it's not winstealing?
Why risk a semi-truthful claim of alien when it is, in my mind, obviously a winstealing role?
The only reason I can think of is you need a certain percentage of tags to win. You could have stayed in cover, with peeker's claim he is probably going to be lynched. It seems like a smart play if you only need to survive till toNight to win. If the alien has been lucky and only needs 50% or better, he might win night 4.
Another thing, and this reaches far into tinfoil hat country. Since we are putting the lynchees into stasis, if they are tagged they might count towards the total number of tags, so his number might be higher than 50%, but only the dead don't count towards his total.
Any one else got an opinion on this?
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 23:32:07 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2009 23:32:07 GMT -5
I'm Marcus, I'm a PhD student on the ship studying the effects of the star drive on people not conditioned for the jump. I'm a Vanilla Passenger. Peeker, that claim doesn't make any sense. 3 roles in 1? Why the duplication of the Alien Investigator role (sisC), and the roleblocker (hockeyguy)? And since shaggy has claimed alien, I'm assuming you're scum or PFK. Vote: peekercpa [/color] On shaggy. The mad bomber role doesn't work as non winstealing. Why tag, why have a special investigator if it's not winstealing? Why risk a semi-truthful claim of alien when it is, in my mind, obviously a winstealing role? The only reason I can think of is you need a certain percentage of tags to win. You could have stayed in cover, with peeker's claim he is probably going to be lynched. It seems like a smart play if you only need to survive till toNight to win. If the alien has been lucky and only needs 50% or better, he might win night 4. Another thing, and this reaches far into tinfoil hat country. Since we are putting the lynchees into stasis, if they are tagged they might count towards the total number of tags, so his number might be higher than 50%, but only the dead don't count towards his total. Any one else got an opinion on this?[/quote] my opinion is that the only way I would even consider lynching a mad bomber is if I knew 2 of the 3 dead were Scum. I don't know, and in fact, doubt this, so I'll leave the bomber to the Scum who are probably closer to their win condition. Let's hope they take this threat seriously and take him out toNight.
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 23:33:13 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2009 23:33:13 GMT -5
oh, and shaggy, at this point, I expect you to give up the right to your vote. I feel like the masons should be able to tell you how to vote.
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Day 4
Nov 23, 2009 23:54:33 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Nov 23, 2009 23:54:33 GMT -5
I'm with Ed here. Shaggy is more likely to be win stealing than not, but with only one confirmed dead Scum, we can't afford to spend a lynch on him.
Sinjin, can you clarify something for me? You're claiming Vanilla, and that bit about the waiting for someone dead is color? Or is the dead person a player?
Peeker, your role doesn't make sense with what Shaggy has claimed. It seems to me one of you must be lying(well, above and beyond the non-win steal thing). Right now I'm more inclined to believe Shaggy than you. Any reason I should change my mind?
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 6:28:46 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 24, 2009 6:28:46 GMT -5
I'm Marcus, I'm a PhD student on the ship studying the effects of the star drive on people not conditioned for the jump. I'm a Vanilla Passenger. Peeker, that claim doesn't make any sense. 3 roles in 1? Why the duplication of the Alien Investigator role (sisC), and the roleblocker (hockeyguy)? And since shaggy has claimed alien, I'm assuming you're scum or PFK. Vote: peekercpa [/color] On shaggy. The mad bomber role doesn't work as non winstealing. Why tag, why have a special investigator if it's not winstealing? Why risk a semi-truthful claim of alien when it is, in my mind, obviously a winstealing role? The only reason I can think of is you need a certain percentage of tags to win. You could have stayed in cover, with peeker's claim he is probably going to be lynched. It seems like a smart play if you only need to survive till toNight to win. If the alien has been lucky and only needs 50% or better, he might win night 4. Another thing, and this reaches far into tinfoil hat country. Since we are putting the lynchees into stasis, if they are tagged they might count towards the total number of tags, so his number might be higher than 50%, but only the dead don't count towards his total. Any one else got an opinion on this?[/quote] To answer you...the tagging is so I win with a side. If I do not tag then regardless of town wining, I loose. If I have everyone taged then I win with you. So it is not a majority or anything it is all or nothing, and they have to be alive and still playing. Some of my taging has not gone through do to stasis/dead. So to be straight and honest with everyone, here is my tag actions: Night one I tagged ed . Also why I am suspicous of peek cause my night action went through but if I understand him right it should not, since he stops not only you but any one elses power on you. I was hoping to hear his responce to my claim before saying this, for a better idea of his alignment but hey...It does beg the question, how can my tag have gone through if he blocked you and all other players? I picked you because you I find eigther end up dead early or last to the end. No insult intended here but kinda no middle ground I find in the past with you, so since you were not in hot water at the end of day one, I thought, you may go to the end, so it is worth taging you. Night 2 I tagged sinjin (steve) This on wase do to you seemed to me to not jump to conclusions with who must be killing and not, therefore I felt you maybe town, and therefore a good person to tag. Since I felt a person willing to look at all sides before making a judgement call is more helpfull. Last night I tried kat but it obviously did not go through. The only thought I have for an investiagtor for me, was cause even though I can win with town, I am not technically town. But win with which ever side does, so even though I have chosen for it to be town I want to win with, I can see an investigator for me as a balance in case some playing this role may have wanted to swing the other way. Atleast that would be my geuss. As I said I have chosen not to swing to the scum side, but the town side. But hey, just my 2 cents thinking for why and all. oh, and shaggy, at this point, I expect you to give up the right to your vote. I feel like the masons should be able to tell you how to vote. If you want me to vote how the masons do, then I am fine with that, and will do what ever you all feel is best. I said I am trying to help and if that is to help by block voting with the masons, then that is what I will do. Anyways off to work, be back tonight.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 8:16:57 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 24, 2009 8:16:57 GMT -5
I... can't believe the alien actually claimed.
And is claiming to not be a killer. So, if shaggy is telling the truth, we have three kills last Night, and unless we believe the Scum have multiple extra kills (and I don't), that means at least one killer is still unaccounted for. So we may have an alien, a serial killer, AND Scum with which to contend. This is fun.
Anyways:
I am Jervais, vanilla passenger. For some reason, my role PM takes pains to note that I am human. I am also supposedly clever and have won a bunch of competitions.
Extant claims:
sachertorte - Mason Nanook - Mason storyteller0910 - Vanilla redskeezix - Vanilla sinjin - Vanilla peekercpa - Alien Watcher-ish Special Ed - Detective
shaggy - Alien
UNCLAIMED:
Pleonast
Analysis to come.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 8:20:39 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 24, 2009 8:20:39 GMT -5
Then you intentionally blocked him again last night, the only guy that has given us any information at all in this game, because he might have bussed a scum buddy at a time when scum and alien are wiping the floor with us. I'm sure all this makes perfect sense in the peekerverse. This aspect of your argument is not quite fair. Special Ed explicitly claimed to not be the Detective. peeker very well might be lying and Scum, but if he were not, blocking Ed would be a pretty low-risk manuever from peeker's standpoint - if Ed is Scum, then maybe you block a kill or other unpleasant option, and if Ed is Town, well, he's not the Detective, so no investigation will be blocked. A lot of peeker's claim smells like my college dorm room, but the above is not a reasonable criticism.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 8:44:50 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 24, 2009 8:44:50 GMT -5
So, OK, assuming that we believe peeker is lying and shaggy is telling some variant on the truth, here is a rough guess at the composition of the game at its outset: INITIAL SETUP TOWN POWER ROLES Chucara – Vote Switcher pedescribe – Tracker Sister Coyote – Alien Hunter hockeyguy – Role-Blocker BillMc – Vigilante Natlaw – Coroner Kat – Mason Nanook – Mason Sachertorte – Mason Special Ed – Detective (?) TOWN VANILLA (Claimed) storyteller0910redskeezixsinjinSCUM dirx – Toughguy peekercpa – Role-Blocker (?) THIRD-PARTY shaggy – Alien (Mad Bomber) Guy Incognito – Serving Droid (Survivor) HUGE? nphaseMerestil HayeUNCLAIMED Pleonast---------------------- I am inclined to believe Ed's claim, I think, because in a no-card flip game with so many kills possible, to give us no alignment investigator at all would be to put us on a pretty tough road. The thing that jumps out at me is the relative dearth of vanillas. I know that I am not lying, but I would be very suspicious of me (and of sinjin and skeezix) if I were an independent observer looking just at this list. Of course, nphase and mhaye's identities are yet to be revealed, which will tell us a bit more about all of this. Still, as a skeleton, this starts to make sense. Next post: peeker vs. shaggy, and a vote.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 9:07:27 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 24, 2009 9:07:27 GMT -5
Actually, first, Night kills. There were two Night One, three Night Two, and three Night Three. I like the supposition that Kat was a Mason Bomb, who took out her killer (probably mhaye). It makes sense, and fits the color. Assume one kill per Night attributable to the Scum. Assume one kill Night One and one kill Night Two attributable to BillMc. This leaves us with one unexplained death each on Nights Two and Three. Even if we assume that the Scum had an extra kill somewhere along the line, this still means that we almost certainly must have an additional killing mechanism. Does anyone disagree?
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 9:15:43 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 24, 2009 9:15:43 GMT -5
Sinjin, can you clarify something for me? You're claiming Vanilla, and that bit about the waiting for someone dead is color? Or is the dead person a player? The lady I'm waiting on being dead is in my PM background, just Cat colo ur*. The stuff in my claim post after the * is just sinjin color. My humanity is spelled out in the background as well, I didn't think it was important. *Thats why they call it the UK right? All those extra u's strewn about by some ancient forgotten civilization? I figured you guys just stick them willy-nilly into words so they don't end up collecting dust in the corner or tripping up the odd tourist wandering cluelessly about town.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 9:29:33 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 24, 2009 9:29:33 GMT -5
Then you intentionally blocked him again last night, the only guy that has given us any information at all in this game, because he might have bussed a scum buddy at a time when scum and alien are wiping the floor with us. I'm sure all this makes perfect sense in the peekerverse. This aspect of your argument is not quite fair. Special Ed explicitly claimed to not be the Detective. peeker very well might be lying and Scum, but if he were not, blocking Ed would be a pretty low-risk manuever from peeker's standpoint - if Ed is Scum, then maybe you block a kill or other unpleasant option, and if Ed is Town, well, he's not the Detective, so no investigation will be blocked. Come on Story, did you not think even for a little bit, that Ed was just being cute about his getting anonymous messages? And beyond that what if he was was telling the truth and was sent another message? Blocked by peeks. Pretty low-risk high profit manuever for scum.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 9:47:45 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 24, 2009 9:47:45 GMT -5
Come on Story, did you not think even for a little bit, that Ed was just being cute about his getting anonymous messages? Yes, I did. Was it, like, common knowledge that he was lying and was really the investigator? If so, why on Earth wouldn't the Scum kill him? I'm not seeing a reason that an incoming message would be blocked by blocking the recipient of that message. Most role-blockers prevent their targets from acting, not from being acted upon. Peek is claiming a limited variation on that, in that he does prevent the alien from acting upon his target, but still.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 9:48:28 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 24, 2009 9:48:28 GMT -5
Oh, whoops, I misread your initial sentence. Honestly, no. I didn't really think Ed would be lying there.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:11:29 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 24, 2009 10:11:29 GMT -5
Come on Story, did you not think even for a little bit, that Ed was just being cute about his getting anonymous messages? Yes, I did. Was it, like, common knowledge that he was lying and was really the investigator? If so, why on Earth wouldn't the Scum kill him? I'm not seeing a reason that an incoming message would be blocked by blocking the recipient of that message. Most role-blockers prevent their targets from acting, not from being acted upon. Peek is claiming a limited variation on that, in that he does prevent the alien from acting upon his target, but still. peeks: Not only does Ed not get the message, peeks says he would get it. So yeah that could go both ways, a town peeker would want to get the message from a scum Ed.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:12:08 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Nov 24, 2009 10:12:08 GMT -5
here is the tortured peek logic. understatement. So peekercpa asserts that he is willing to roleblock someone he thinks is scum. Logical enough, I suppose. Of course most Townies realize that roleblocking on Night One is statistically anti-Town. whatever. And this makes sense how? In what universe does it make sense for Ed to get Dirx killed? It is insane to think that scum would out not-in-danger scum for town credit that would never achieve 100% certainty in and of itself. Did it not occur to you that Ed might NOT be scum? So peeker decided that possibly roleblocking scum was of sufficient benefit over possibly blocking a detective. And what exactly did peeker expect to gain by blocking Ed, even if he was scum? The whole situation makes no sense! Oh. My. God. Seriously? You decided it was worth cutting Ed off at the knees on the hunch that he might be scum? I dislike everything about the way peekercpa has presented his play in the game. If peekercpa is Town I will be very very disappointed. He's smart enough to know that many of these actions were unjustified. Especially in light of the Sister Coyote situation. More to come, I think. Frankly, I don't think peekercpa sucks enough to explain his actions.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:16:13 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Nov 24, 2009 10:16:13 GMT -5
my logic has been poor thus far i admit. i really thought that sis was full of it when i heard her claim. 'cause i didn't see how me being what i am reconciled with what she said she was. apparently, i was wrong. i actually kind of thought she might be the alien. like i said, apparently not my most stellar performance. So you are willing to target Special Ed, because you had a hunch that he was scum. BUT You are not willing to target Sister Coyote because you thought she was lying (i.e., not Town). Do you see the problem I have with this? If you really thought Sister Coyote was the alien, don't you think it would be beneficial to block her instead of Ed? Since you 'know' that the alien kills people, and you think Sister Coyote was the alien, why not block her?!!!!
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:18:10 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Nov 24, 2009 10:18:10 GMT -5
hey, steveat a time when scum and alien are wiping the floor with us seem awful convinced that there is an alien out there, dontya. oh that's right don't take my word for it. know something there, my friend? Gah! sinjin is sussing out your claim. In order to believe your claim we have to believe there is an alien and the alien is running around killing people! It's PART OF YOUR CLAIM!
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:22:56 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Nov 24, 2009 10:22:56 GMT -5
The alien does not attack...the alien does not kill...the alien does not steal wins. The alien is a third party mad bomber, that wins with which ever side wins...In this case it is town I have tried my hardest to help win with. So a gold star to all those that geussed mad bomber.... So yes I am the 3rd party alien. I simply tag people at night and then when all people are tagged I win along side whichever side wins. Which as I said I am trying my best for it to be town. So all the hype for the alien is killing and attacking is BS and not true. I have no power to kill, hurt, mame, or do anything else mean or bad to anyone. Peculiar role claim. I could believe Mad Bomber, possibly. I could believe 3rd party and not PFK, possibly. I do not believe that you must tag EVERY player. What kind of win condition is that? Is it even possible to win? Historically, non-exclusive Mad Bombers must tag a certain number of players and independently win when that is achieved. So the question is, do I believe Catinasuit created a role as shaggy describes it? Right now, No. I don't.
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:26:32 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Nov 24, 2009 10:26:32 GMT -5
On shaggy. The mad bomber role doesn't work as non winstealing. Why tag, why have a special investigator if it's not winstealing? mad-bombers have been non-win-stealing in the past. Though not in the way shaggy describes. I'm intrigued by this 'special investigator.' Who is this person and what are the details of the role?
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:30:00 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Nov 24, 2009 10:30:00 GMT -5
I'm with Ed here. Shaggy is more likely to be win stealing than not, but with only one confirmed dead Scum, we can't afford to spend a lynch on him. Where did the certainty in Shaggy being a mad bomber come from? Who believes this and why? The nightly death count points to a killer alien. Do we think there are two aliens? Why? Is it not possible that shaggy is a killer alien who is claiming mad bomber for shits and giggles? Does it not behoove us to knock off a possible SK and reduce the night death count? Do we have reason to believe shaggy cannot kill other than his statement that he cannot do so?
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:34:31 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Nov 24, 2009 10:34:31 GMT -5
Night one I tagged ed . Also why I am suspicous of peek cause my night action went through but if I understand him right it should not, since he stops not only you but any one elses power on you. I was hoping to hear his responce to my claim before saying this, for a better idea of his alignment but hey...It does beg the question, how can my tag have gone through if he blocked you and all other players? I picked you because you I find eigther end up dead early or last to the end. No insult intended here but kinda no middle ground I find in the past with you, so since you were not in hot water at the end of day one, I thought, you may go to the end, so it is worth taging you. This makes no sense. You expect us to believe that you tagged someone you acknowledge has a tendency to die early? If Ed has staying power past mid-game, isn't it more logical to WAIT UNTIL MIDGAME to tag Ed?!! This is insanity. I want shaggy dead!
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Day 4
Nov 24, 2009 10:39:12 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 24, 2009 10:39:12 GMT -5
Historically, non-exclusive Mad Bombers must tag a certain number of players and independently win when that is achieved. So the question is, do I believe Catinasuit created a role as shaggy describes it? Right now, No. I don't. I read this as a requirement that all remaining players be tagged when the game ends, which is reasonable, but in any case: Frankly, I don't believe shaggy either. We had a pro-Town role able to suss out whether a player had been infected by the Alien. Having a role able to do this is entirely pointless if shaggy has a non-exclusive win condition. If he can win with either Town or Scum, why do we even care if someone has been infected, let alone care enough to have an entire power role dedicated to the search? I am close to certain that shaggy is lying. As far as I can tell, he has had the chance to tag three players total. Assuming we don't lynch him toDay - and we really can't afford to lynch him toDay - he will enter toNight with the opportunity to tag one more. So in the absolute worst case scenario, if there are three more deaths toNight and none of them are shaggy and none of them are any of his tagged targets AND none of his tagged targets have died to date... well, in that case he could win toMorrow. This seems remarkably unlikely, though. I think I'm ready to vote peekercpa. The existence of Sister Coyote's role strongly suggests that the alien is not a killer, and peeker's claimed role makes no sense unless it is. I guess the Alien could be both a killer AND a mad bomber, actually. Yikes. Hope not. ------- But is there any chance we could not let discussion completely flatline at this point? Some of us will be dead at Dawn tomorrow, and whoever dies will no longer be able to contribute, so if you have an idea, a plan, or even an ill-thought-out suspicion, get it out there now! --------- Finally, it seems to me that we have a killing entity, apart from the Scum, out there. I address this next passage to this entity, if it exists: You should kill shaggy toNight. Supposing that your win condition is to be the last one standing, it doesn't matter to you what happens between the Scum and the Town. You need us to off one another proportionally, to prevent the game from ending early, and we're doing a good job of that. The Scum are almost certainly going to take care of the investigator toNight.
However, shaggy can probably steal the win from you (and from us, in fairness). If you kill him, you reduce the total headcount and bring yourself one step closer to winning the game, plus eliminate the threat that he will steal the win before you can get it. Admittedly, it helps Town and Scum, as well, but killing shaggy really would benefit everyone remaining - well, except for shaggy, of course.
Kill him toNight, and then we'll see how the rest of the game plays out. Think about it, and I think you'll see it's to your advantage.
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