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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 4:51:15 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 3, 2010 4:51:15 GMT -5
anyone seen the lyncher/lynchee pair before? Would Total have needed to be 1st vote/last vote/ just have a vote etc on the lynchee or what?
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 8:23:34 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 3, 2010 8:23:34 GMT -5
well, paul if you are truly a town aligned day kill vig the only thing i can suggest is that you make it clear if you are going to kill someone and then allow that person sufficient time to respond/claim before you pull the trigger.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 9:32:48 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 3, 2010 9:32:48 GMT -5
Can't he kill the Robot?
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 9:46:35 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 3, 2010 9:46:35 GMT -5
the robot is not alive so killing probably is not an option. maybe he could disassemble it.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 9:51:42 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 3, 2010 9:51:42 GMT -5
I don't think you can kill someone who is already dead. The real question at this point, if we tend toward believing paul's power is this: Does this power make him more likely to be Town or Scum? If he's Town, I'm not sure why he felt he had a limited shelf life. Imean, a Voluntary Day Vig is great! We can see his actions, so there will be no deception. It looks like we can talk about who he should Vig. Unless the Scum have a Day redirector or roleblocker, it really looks like it has no drawbacks. Though, it makes the 3rd person we've seen with an additional killing power in a not-huge game. I'm starting to question that If he's Scum, I now see the Scum motivation in magic bagging. A Scum paul might have thought that using his power would appear 'scummy.' A Scum might come into it with a frame of mind as to 'how do I look less Scummy?' Of course, this would me his claim, (and I have to assume some accuracy in his claim since it is testable) a lie, and he'd be some sort of Scum Strongman with an extra kill whose kill just happens to be in the day. It's not unheard of. Did I state all of that clearly enough? I'm not sure which side I fall on right now, but let's just say I'm more suspicious of paul's motives than I was yesterDay and last Night (which given the apparent lack of Scum motivation wasn't really too much). I'd like to get other people's input though in case I'm missing something. I'd also like to hear paul's response. Maybe it's possible that paul just didn't loo at his role as being so pro-Town that he was afraid of being lynched.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 9:59:14 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 3, 2010 9:59:14 GMT -5
I would also like to request from paul, please don't use your power without discussing it with the Town.
Even though the Scum would be involved in the discussion, I think the discussion itself might yield some interesting data.
And, after thinking about it, I suppose it is potentially possible that the Scum do have some type of Day blocking (or maybe full cycle block or redirection) or a Day protection.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 11:35:08 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 3, 2010 11:35:08 GMT -5
I think paul or meeko is lying.
If everyone is telling the truth so far,
BillMc 1/night Meeko .5/night Scum Team 1/night Paul 1/day Lynch 1/day
That means we started out the game with an possible average of 4.5 deaths per cycle, that's a huge amount of deaths for 19 people in the game and would have made it almost impossible for the lyncher to win. Assuming a standard lyncher role (Player gets killed = loss, Player get's lynched = win, which appears to be at least half the case).
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 11:38:09 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 3, 2010 11:38:09 GMT -5
I don't think you can kill someone who is already dead. The real question at this point, if we tend toward believing paul's power is this: Does this power make him more likely to be Town or Scum? If he's Town, I'm not sure why he felt he had a limited shelf life. Imean, a Voluntary Day Vig is great! We can see his actions, so there will be no deception. It looks like we can talk about who he should Vig. Unless the Scum have a Day redirector or roleblocker, it really looks like it has no drawbacks. Though, it makes the 3rd person we've seen with an additional killing power in a not-huge game. I'm starting to question that If he's Scum, I now see the Scum motivation in magic bagging. A Scum paul might have thought that using his power would appear 'scummy.' A Scum might come into it with a frame of mind as to 'how do I look less Scummy?' Of course, this would me his claim, (and I have to assume some accuracy in his claim since it is testable) a lie, and he'd be some sort of Scum Strongman with an extra kill whose kill just happens to be in the day. It's not unheard of. Did I state all of that clearly enough? I'm not sure which side I fall on right now, but let's just say I'm more suspicious of paul's motives than I was yesterDay and last Night (which given the apparent lack of Scum motivation wasn't really too much). I'd like to get other people's input though in case I'm missing something. I'd also like to hear paul's response. Maybe it's possible that paul just didn't loo at his role as being so pro-Town that he was afraid of being lynched. I dont think scum is gonna be too keen on us having a second lynch. I fully intend on discussion my target with town ahead of time, and since it will pretty much come down to votes, we essentially get a second lynch. So my shelf life is limited in my eyes because the scum wont let me stick around now that I have claimed and I start using this power.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 11:58:10 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 3, 2010 11:58:10 GMT -5
[quote author=paulwhoisaghost board=aggressivenegotiations thread=1309 post=60883 time=1267634289 I dont think scum is gonna be too keen on us having a second lynch. I fully intend on discussion my target with town ahead of time, and since it will pretty much come down to votes, we essentially get a second lynch. So my shelf life is limited in my eyes because the scum wont let me stick around now that I have claimed and I start using this power.[/quote]
A few things might make the Scum more than happy to have you around:
1. A Scum Day protection/Roleblock/Redirect This can be done either as a straight Day power or as an 'entire cycle' action. I'm kinda thinking Scum might have this power, since your power is huge for Town if we have a full protector. That is, you claim,start killing who we dictate, and you get protected at Night. That's wickedly overpowered for Town.
Now, if our protectors are hobbled, then it's not so overpowering for Town, and you will likely die soon.
2. If the Town seems to suspect people who are mostly Town, it might almost be like a second NK for the Scum.
3. Add both of these together, a Scum protection and bad Town play, and we could reach lynch or lose much quicker.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 12:13:13 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 3, 2010 12:13:13 GMT -5
I think with skeezix' hypothesized number of deaths, assuming all the NKs/DKs go through, that it's likely we'll be at LyLo very quickly indeed.
If Meeko protected last Night, then he has to kill toNight if I understand his power correctly. Of course, Meeko could have said he was protecting last Night in the thread, and really have tried to kill. We don't know. +1 kill toNight
Scum have their kill, unless blocked or redirected. +1 kill toNight.
Two Night kills, which works with:
Paul could kill someone toDay. +1 kill toDay
Someone's gonna get lynched. +1 kill toDay
Assuming none of those kills hit Scum, and that there are no successful protection/roleblocks, that means we'd end up down four town by the dawn of toMorrow.
Also, paul, I would have thought you would have learned from my experience, and not outed yourself until you had a solid candidate for a kill and therefore had to out yourself, on the off-chance Scum do have a Day Redirector.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 12:15:31 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 3, 2010 12:15:31 GMT -5
anyone seen the lyncher/lynchee pair before? Would Total have needed to be 1st vote/last vote/ just have a vote etc on the lynchee or what? I don't know how Ulla's role would have worked specifically, but I have seen paired or twinned roles. In Blockey's Halloween mini, I was the Mad Scientist, and I needed to find (or create) the Protean Man in order to win. I'm a little more intrigued by the idea of a third-party Mason.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 13:02:48 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 3, 2010 13:02:48 GMT -5
Also, paul, I would have thought you would have learned from my experience, and not outed yourself until you had a solid candidate for a kill and therefore had to out yourself, on the off-chance Scum do have a Day Redirector. I didn't intend to claim so early, but the amount of fire I had come under for my self preservation driven actions led me down a path that shat me out here. If I hadn't claimed Today, I anticipated that I would be lynched. Seeing as how no discussion about anyone else has taken place, I think I was right. So here's the deal. the person who I find most scummy right now is Red Skeezix... for the same reasons as Yesterday... so he get's my vote, and if no one else is presented as a viable target for my power and Red is not in the lead for votes, then I will be killing him at end of Day. Vote: Red Skeezix
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 13:03:37 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 3, 2010 13:03:37 GMT -5
[/color]That's a first place vote worth 3 points.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 13:04:21 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 3, 2010 13:04:21 GMT -5
whoops..... copy/pasted in the wrong order... That's a 1st place vote, worth 3 points please Mr. Mod.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 13:06:25 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 3, 2010 13:06:25 GMT -5
and meeko i'd try to be a little coy about what/who you are going to do toNight. because if you make it too clear what you are up to bad things can happen. you announce you are going to kill someone who ends up being scum. then you either get rb'ed (not really that bad) or redirected (pretty darn bad). or you target a non scum and the kill goes through (bad or good depending on 3rd party presence) or you get rb'ed (in which case suspicion falls on poor non scum which is bad) or redirected to some other non scum (probably worst case scenario).
this of course assumes the presence of either rbs or redirectors. if neither of these exist then we just face the normal downside of a mandatory vig.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 13:24:19 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 3, 2010 13:24:19 GMT -5
If Meeko protected last Night, then he has to kill toNight if I understand his power correctly. Of course, Meeko could have said he was protecting last Night in the thread, and really have tried to kill. We don't know. +1 kill toNight Scum have their kill, unless blocked or redirected. +1 kill toNight. Two Night kills, which works with: Paul could kill someone toDay. +1 kill toDay Someone's gonna get lynched. +1 kill toDay Assuming none of those kills hit Scum, and that there are no successful protection/roleblocks, that means we'd end up down four town by the dawn of toMorrow. And pede would have also had to consider Bill would be killing as well. Like Red said, that's a massive amount of death quickly. Wthout the time to adequately gather information for the Town. At least it would be a quick game, I suppose. Also, paul, I would have thought you would have learned from my experience, and not outed yourself until you had a solid candidate for a kill and therefore had to out yourself, on the off-chance Scum do have a Day Redirector.quote] I didn't intend to claim so early, but the amount of fire I had come under for my self preservation driven actions led me down a path that shat me out here. If I hadn't claimed Today, I anticipated that I would be lynched. Seeing as how no discussion about anyone else has taken place, I think I was right. But shouldn't you have waited to see if that discussion actually led to you? After casting the self-preservation vote, if you recall, I stated that I didn't see Scum motivation, and in fact that it would have been a silly move for Scu,m. I think peeker commented on it to agree with me. So I'm not sure you were in as much danger of lynch as you thought. So, of course, you were claiming in case you got votes the next Day? really? Isn't that a little early to be claiming?!? So here's the deal. the person who I find most scummy right now is Red Skeezix... for the same reasons as Yesterday... so he get's my vote, and if no one else is presented as a viable target for my power and Red is not in the lead for votes, then I will be killing him at end of Day. At least this will prove your power, I suppose. So, paul, can you comment on some of the points I brought up earlier?
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 14:49:05 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 3, 2010 14:49:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't believe paul. He can kill me if he wants to/ or even can. It will just prove my alignment, so you can see that I've been town all along.
He was asked for a full claim, and he didn't even bother to post his win condition. Just the bit about falcon punching. Looks like he chopped the bit at the bottom off.
It's just too many. The number of kills and killers. It doesn't wash.
vote paul (3 votes)
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 14:58:14 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 3, 2010 14:58:14 GMT -5
FWIW, I want to know how many times he can Day vig.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 14:58:35 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 3, 2010 14:58:35 GMT -5
It could be that the game has a bunch of roleblockers floating around as well and Pede is hoping that there will be a lot of cancellation going on.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:02:29 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 3, 2010 15:02:29 GMT -5
FWIW, I want to know how many times he can Day vig. According to his role claim quote, he can do as many times as he want's during the day. Note the wording: Any time during any day. Seems fishy.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:05:39 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 3, 2010 15:05:39 GMT -5
FWIW, I want to know how many times he can Day vig. If it's as many as he wants, and he's Town, I suggest that he kill everyone else off (but wait until everyone has posted)
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:07:46 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 3, 2010 15:07:46 GMT -5
He was asked for a full claim, and he didn't even bother to post his win condition. Just the bit about falcon punching. Looks like he chopped the bit at the bottom off. [/color] [/quote] Out of curiousity, what's your win condition, Red?
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:11:54 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 3, 2010 15:11:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't believe paul. He can kill me if he wants to/ or even can. It will just prove my alignment, so you can see that I've been town all along. He was asked for a full claim, and he didn't even bother to post his win condition. Just the bit about falcon punching. Looks like he chopped the bit at the bottom off. It's just too many. The number of kills and killers. It doesn't wash. vote paul (3 votes)What are you talking about? My alignment is clearly listed. I didn't receive a win condition in my PM. Probably because it was listed in the rules thread? Rules: 1. There are two main factions: the town and the shills. The Town wins when all the shills are dead. The shills when when nothing can stop them from killing off everyone else. Any other factions will have their win conditions in their Role PM. -1a For any hypothetical non-main factions: if they would end the game upon winning, they will be labelled PFKs. if they would not end the game upon winning, they will be labelled 3rd parties. Right there he gave all Town and Shills their wincons. Since I didn't receive one, I assume that no one else who is Town got one, and possibly not the Shills either. Which leads me to believe that you are either 3rd party or PFK since your PM would then be required to include a wincon. Thanks for the slip.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:13:12 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 3, 2010 15:13:12 GMT -5
FWIW, I want to know how many times he can Day vig. According to his role claim quote, he can do as many times as he want's during the day. Note the wording: Any time during any day. Seems fishy. Actually.... as quoted it said "Any time during THE day." Don't misquote people, it's bad form. And for what it's worth I am limited to one use per day.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:14:02 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 3, 2010 15:14:02 GMT -5
He was asked for a full claim, and he didn't even bother to post his win condition. Just the bit about falcon punching. Looks like he chopped the bit at the bottom off. [/color] [/quote] Out of curiousity, what's your win condition, Red?[/quote] Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:15:17 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 3, 2010 15:15:17 GMT -5
And for what it's worth I am limited to one use per day. That's what I figured, otherwise the game would be broken since you could kill anyone who posted.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:17:50 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 3, 2010 15:17:50 GMT -5
Out of curiousity, what's your win condition, Red? Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that. Let's wait for a little bit more discussion and more people to chime in, but I'd be ok if you killed Red at this point.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:30:40 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 3, 2010 15:30:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't believe paul. He can kill me if he wants to/ or even can. It will just prove my alignment, so you can see that I've been town all along. He was asked for a full claim, and he didn't even bother to post his win condition. Just the bit about falcon punching. Looks like he chopped the bit at the bottom off. It's just too many. The number of kills and killers. It doesn't wash. vote paul (3 votes)What are you talking about? My alignment is clearly listed. I didn't receive a win condition in my PM. Probably because it was listed in the rules thread? Rules: 1. There are two main factions: the town and the shills. The Town wins when all the shills are dead. The shills when when nothing can stop them from killing off everyone else. Any other factions will have their win conditions in their Role PM. -1a For any hypothetical non-main factions: if they would end the game upon winning, they will be labelled PFKs. if they would not end the game upon winning, they will be labelled 3rd parties. Right there he gave all Town and Shills their wincons. Since I didn't receive one, I assume that no one else who is Town got one, and possibly not the Shills either. Which leads me to believe that you are either 3rd party or PFK since your PM would then be required to include a wincon. Thanks for the slip. A slip only in that I didn't check my own PM before I posted. I have no wincon in my pm, so the claim doesn't seem as fishy as before. I am town though. I can claim, and I can provide a semblance of proof if you require.
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:35:09 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Mar 3, 2010 15:35:09 GMT -5
I gotta say, something is not right here. I just can't imagine Pede putting this many killing roles in the game after the last SSB was basically broken by the sheer mass of extra kills. True, this time around they are Town directed(in claim at least) rather than Scum directed, but it's still a ton of kills theoretically possible. And really, a Day vig AND a half compulsory Night vig? Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?
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Day 2
Mar 3, 2010 15:47:24 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Mar 3, 2010 15:47:24 GMT -5
So, Paul, that's a pretty interesting/powerful role you have there. Can you Falcon Punch yourself? Is there a limit to how many times you can Falcon Punch? I saw you can only do it once per day, that makes sense.
I am comfortable with Paul Falcon Punching redskeezix, since his win condition slip makes me suspicious of him and I'll probably end up voting for him anyway.
--FCOD
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