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May 21, 2010 8:55:33 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on May 21, 2010 8:55:33 GMT -5
Personally, I want to eliminate anyone whose role, power, or playstyle makes it unlikely that they will work with me in the future. I want to keep around folks that are likely to be powerful, clever, and/or trustworthy allies if I can convince them to be on my side. Right. I thought of Survivor as well. What kind of behavior could possibly indicate that someone has a power or allegiance that is specifically against me? I mean, even if I can sense loyalty and suspect that two or more people are in a clan, would those people in that clan even know for sure if their fellow clan members are not actually against them? The lynch feels even more like a total crap shoot than on Day One of a Mafia game.
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May 21, 2010 8:56:20 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 21, 2010 8:56:20 GMT -5
Or does it merely means that once I ask on member for membership I'll have to wait for the rest to accept it? This one.
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May 21, 2010 9:03:28 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 21, 2010 9:03:28 GMT -5
3. How to choose who to lynch. Wow. This is actually a really difficult question, as there are no specific scum, unless you kind of consider the Master of the Deck his own scum. I'm assuming the votes will be spread out since I'm guessing our wincons conflict and we have different goals for what role of players we are trying to kill. With, I'm guessing, a wide variety of roles, I have no idea how to even find anyone suspicious and what would constitute "suspicious" behavior. Very difficult to decide what to do. The usual convention is to lynch me.......
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May 21, 2010 9:13:44 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 21, 2010 9:13:44 GMT -5
According to wiki, the Master of the Deck and most of the members of the HoC are also ascendants so I don't think we'll get anywhere with this particular discussion. As the mods mentioned earlier, most all players are ascendants and so it's roughly equivalent to "player" and therefore by no means equivalent to "town". In terms of the color I think the hierarchy is mortal-ascendant-god-elder god so an Ascendant is an enhanced mortal who has special powers. A few players may not be ascendants (simple mortals, gods or elder gods) but given that each character has a power, I guess there are no mortals. and while i kind of agree i also kind of disagree guiri. if it was just pure color then i don't think i would have gotten a pm from the mods clarifying that i was an ascendant. i also, don't think the mods would have posted in game a clarification if it didn't mean something.
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May 21, 2010 9:28:48 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 21, 2010 9:28:48 GMT -5
Ok, I just had a really bad thought.
Mods: is there any type of recruitment in this game aside from the 4 person voluntary clan formation?
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May 21, 2010 9:31:43 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 21, 2010 9:31:43 GMT -5
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May 21, 2010 9:36:11 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 21, 2010 9:36:11 GMT -5
This confuses me. Surely House of Chains/everyone who has eliminate HoC from game to win are factions?
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May 21, 2010 9:36:29 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 21, 2010 9:36:29 GMT -5
Is it possible for any players wincon to change during the game?
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May 21, 2010 9:40:39 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 21, 2010 9:40:39 GMT -5
Is it possible for any players wincon to change during the game? Ah, sorry, I wasn't trying to dodge sinjin's question. No player will ever have their win condition change.
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May 21, 2010 9:43:07 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on May 21, 2010 9:43:07 GMT -5
The usual convention is to lynch me....... Based on the vote-count, I think we're more than part of the way there. I'm still trying to parse my way through what's going on and how to vote and who to vote for; I think the Survivor comparison is apt for the moment.
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May 21, 2010 9:46:16 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 21, 2010 9:46:16 GMT -5
This confuses me. Surely House of Chains/everyone who has eliminate HoC from game to win are factions? A faction as I am using the term means a group of players who win together.
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May 21, 2010 10:19:35 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on May 21, 2010 10:19:35 GMT -5
I don't think there's such a thing as "suspicious behavior," per se. Of what am I to be suspicious? I already know who my enemies are: everyone who is not allied with me. If I want to win, only I and those with whom I share a clan at the end of the game can win - everyone else must die. So voting in this game is going to be more overtly strategic - this is more Survivor than Mafia, I think. You took the words from my mouth, sort of. Although I expect in this game one thing that is considered not suspicious in mafia, consistency, will be looked upon with "suspicion" in this game. I think that as clans form and fail due to attrition and betrayal that motives and attitudes will be changing quite fluidly. One of the things I will be looking closely at is any who seems to have an overall long term plan or players taking risks that can only succeed in the long term. I can only see the need for either of these in 1 or 2 possible cases, they're might be more I just haven't thought of them yet: 1. They have a win condition that does not or is not advantageous to playing a fluid game with constantly shifting alliances. (AKA their win condition is different than mine, which means I cannot trust them to be in a clan with, and therefore they must be destroyed.) 2. They are in a strong clan which I am not apart of. And thus they must be pressured into disloyalty and abandoning their long term plans. I have a strong whiff that this game is going to look and feel like Pre-WWI Europe before long.
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May 21, 2010 10:21:35 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 21, 2010 10:21:35 GMT -5
So the House of Chains do not win together, by definition, unless perhaps in the same way the rest of us do, by forming a clan to overpower everyone else. (Which clan would presumably have to consist only of themselves.)
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May 21, 2010 10:23:32 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 21, 2010 10:23:32 GMT -5
Personally, I want to eliminate anyone whose role, power, or playstyle makes it unlikely that they will work with me in the future. I want to keep around folks that are likely to be powerful, clever, and/or trustworthy allies if I can convince them to be on my side. Right. I thought of Survivor as well. What kind of behavior could possibly indicate that someone has a power or allegiance that is specifically against me? I mean, even if I can sense loyalty and suspect that two or more people are in a clan, would those people in that clan even know for sure if their fellow clan members are not actually against them? The lynch feels even more like a total crap shoot than on Day One of a Mafia game. Want to concentrate on the first quote that I've bolded here.... How much are you prepared to trust someone? If you form a clan with a player as you think they might have a helpful power... what's to stop them from telling you some spiel about a suppossed power.. you then telling them your power (if you even have one) .. they could then go on and join another Clan and pass on the information they've got from you as a sort of betrayal.... That's why I'm a bit dubious about being in more than one clan due to the possiblity of someone jumping ship midway through... I'm waiting to hear back if my application to the CCC has been successful but apart from that I'd be content to end up being the kid in games that always gets picked last
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May 21, 2010 10:53:40 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 21, 2010 10:53:40 GMT -5
I've been thinking about who to vote for, but I'm not sure there's a strong reason to actually lynch anyone right now. In a regular Mafia game, the town needs to lynch in order to gain information. But there's no town here. Why should I want to lynch someone?
I'll certainly vote for someone if I decide they should be lynched, but I don't feel a strong imperative at the moment. I still have several days left to decide.
Out of game note: this is probably my last post until Monday. I'll try to check in over the weekend, but no certainties. Don't feel bad if I don't respond to your PMs.
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May 21, 2010 10:57:41 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 21, 2010 10:57:41 GMT -5
One of the things I will be looking closely at is any who seems to have an overall long term plan or players taking risks that can only succeed in the long term. This seems weird to me. Isn't this game about staying alive and making sure to live in the end? Killing of HoC, the Deck-master and all players not in a clan with you? So why would any player not try to play the game based on a long term plan... to stay alive and win?
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May 21, 2010 11:05:05 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 21, 2010 11:05:05 GMT -5
I think the game to start off with will be against normal mafia type... we aren't looking for bad guys... we are looking to survive... In mafia as Town even if I'm lynched Day one (who am I kidding "even" ) and Town go on to win... I still win.
Here if I'm lynched Day one that's it game over for me. Should I join or be in a clan I think I'll take my chances and stay with that clan through the whole game... I'll be looking at people who chop and change a lot as being slightly suspiscous. Though they may just be swapping because the believe that "winning" is everything.
I consider myself to be still learning but I shall voice my views when I have them.
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May 21, 2010 11:22:55 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on May 21, 2010 11:22:55 GMT -5
This seems weird to me. Isn't this game about staying alive and making sure to live in the end? Killing of HoC, the Deck-master and all players not in a clan with you? So why would any player not try to play the game based on a long term plan... to stay alive and win? To Stay alive and win is not a plan TL, it's a goal. How you achieve that goal is the plan. Difference between means and ends.
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May 21, 2010 11:28:12 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on May 21, 2010 11:28:12 GMT -5
NETA: And TL, if your means deviate from what I can determine as plausible towards reaching the goal of me staying alive and my clan winning, then I will be forced to assume that your ends deviate from my own as well.
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May 21, 2010 11:34:16 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 21, 2010 11:34:16 GMT -5
I've been thinking about who to vote for, but I'm not sure there's a strong reason to actually lynch anyone right now. In a regular Mafia game, the town needs to lynch in order to gain information. But there's no town here. Why should I want to lynch someone? This doesn't even make sense. If we don't lynch anyone this will be the game that "goes on and on my friend." Except for maybe those who have night-kill abilities.
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May 21, 2010 11:39:07 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on May 21, 2010 11:39:07 GMT -5
Why should I want to lynch someone? I assume that you are either not comprehending what you've stated your win condition is. Or you were lying about what your win condition is. Since essentially your win condition points out two reasons for you to want to lynch some one. 1. They might be house of chains/master of the deck. 2. They are not in your primary clan and therefore are a threat to your primary clan winning.
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May 21, 2010 11:45:19 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 21, 2010 11:45:19 GMT -5
I've been thinking about who to vote for, but I'm not sure there's a strong reason to actually lynch anyone right now. In a regular Mafia game, the town needs to lynch in order to gain information. But there's no town here. Why should I want to lynch someone? This doesn't even make sense. If we don't lynch anyone this will be the game that "goes on and on my friend." Except for maybe those who have night-kill abilities. Grrr. English is not my friend. What I mean is that if we don't lynch someone we either give the initiative to those who have night-kill abilities or if there are no n-k's the game never ends.
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May 21, 2010 12:01:23 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 21, 2010 12:01:23 GMT -5
oh, heebus jeebus. this is not "mafia" as we were taught in our youth.
from what i understand the setup to be this is going to be a crap shoot all the way around. who was your ally yesterday may be your enemy tomorrow.
i think this is going to be like that game that had a couple of pegs of different colors and you had to figure out their order in the correct sequence. can't remember the game but i think we nailed a scum using this reasoning at one point. but you only got so many guesses. so taking a pass would yield no information and just got you closer to losecon.
so nolynch will not be on my menu.
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May 21, 2010 12:03:16 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 21, 2010 12:03:16 GMT -5
neta: i used to think it would be easy to catch up on games after i had been away for a while. just read a couple of posts and kind of catch up.
sheeeeeeeeeet. 3 new posts and 7 new pm's. this is bordering absurd.
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Day One
May 21, 2010 12:08:19 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 21, 2010 12:08:19 GMT -5
OK, I'm a crashing moron. I just made one false click and accidentally deleted all of my PMs. If you have recently tried to contact me and haven't heard back, I would be forever grateful if you would re-send.
Sorry.
Sincerely,
A Crashing Moron
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May 21, 2010 12:42:32 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 21, 2010 12:42:32 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I am going to start sending out official clan confirmations from this account in a little bit. I will try to send these out a couple of times a Day, and will be sure to send a confirmation to everyone by the end of any given Day.
These will come from my account rather than the author account in order to try to keep things a bit less cluttered. If you haven't gotten a confirmation about your own membership in a clan in about 24 hours you have done something wrong and aren't officially on the roles in that clan.
I will also be indicating if you have selected the confirmed clan as a primary clan.
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May 21, 2010 13:33:59 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 21, 2010 13:33:59 GMT -5
By the way all. I am a role investigator. Is that a power that would be considered useful? As things stand it won't get used at all....
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May 21, 2010 13:37:58 GMT -5
Post by special on May 21, 2010 13:37:58 GMT -5
By the way all. I am a role investigator. Is that a power that would be considered useful? As things stand it won't get used at all.... I imagine it could be useful. But just knowing someone's role doesn't mean they'll be on your side. And just because you tell some people what you've discovered doesn't mean anyone will trust you.
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May 21, 2010 13:51:01 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 21, 2010 13:51:01 GMT -5
By the way all. I am a role investigator. Is that a power that would be considered useful? As things stand it won't get used at all.... I imagine it could be useful. But just knowing someone's role doesn't mean they'll be on your side. And just because you tell some people what you've discovered doesn't mean anyone will trust you. I know. A claim seemed the only option left to me. I don't see someone else getting ahead of me in votes.
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May 21, 2010 14:33:48 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 21, 2010 14:33:48 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I am going to start sending out official clan confirmations from this account in a little bit. I will try to send these out a couple of times a Day, and will be sure to send a confirmation to everyone by the end of any given Day. These will come from my account rather than the author account in order to try to keep things a bit less cluttered. If you haven't gotten a confirmation about your own membership in a clan in about 24 hours you have done something wrong and aren't officially on the roles in that clan. I will also be indicating if you have selected the confirmed clan as a primary clan. yippee oh aye kayee. more fucking pms.
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