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Post by Pleonast on Jul 27, 2010 14:18:03 GMT -5
Choose a target to block. You must all agree.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 14:34:40 GMT -5
Shall we divvy up the players' posts to go through, or each take a range of pages looking for something good, or what? Nanook and Eureka can be ruled out.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 14:38:21 GMT -5
It all depends on what we want to block first. We can block Wolf and Vampire kills, yes? So would we want to block something like that or a Town power role? Don't really know why we'd want to block scum kills since they're our ticket for killing the Witches, but it might come in handy someDay.
What would be the best Town role to block?
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 15:08:10 GMT -5
We can't block the witches.
To block a wolf or vampire kill -- well it would be good if they were targeting you. I think stanislaus and I are unlikely targets for tonight. In another sense it would be good for us to know the identity of one of the opposing mafia. (With the witches' protection, the vicar and the undead in play, a lack of three kills is not definitive that we did anything useful, but it would be a lead to follow up.)
Vicar -- don't want to block, no way no how despite that the role has nothing to do tonight. Detectives -- don't want to block, no way no how. Coroner -- day power or night or both? Anyway, irrelevant right at the moment. Seer -- good to block, since your lynch makes you an unlikely target for this player Freemasons -- getting one of them might confuse the numbers somewhat and reduce bufftabby's power (if she is one). For that matter, bufftabby could be blocked herself. I should ask Pleo what happens if a freemason is blocked, though.
Necromancer -- nobody dead yet, block is irrelevant.
And of course we can't block secret powers, if any are used.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 16:12:08 GMT -5
I suppose the ship has sailed on any of us claiming freemason unless someone does step forward tonight or tomorrow to say that the handshake failed. Freemason handshake is a day power.
I feel like an idiot. We've put ourselves into a position where there's essentially nothing we can claim.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 16:29:30 GMT -5
Although, on the "when all else fails, just confuse the heck out of them" front, there remain many intriguing options.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 16:55:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that's my fault..I'm sorry. I'm the one that did that by already having independent plans and going through with them. : / If I had to guess anyone for a wolf, it would be bufftabby...other than that, I have nothing. Storyteller is a very good (and smart player), if he's anything, we could try blocking him...but he might be one of those roles we don't want to block.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 17:09:13 GMT -5
Also, this is probably major metagaming, but I'd also use/go with who is on the boards (but not doing anything) longer than most. I'm starting to see patterns on the "who's online" feature (which is public, so anyone can see it). Like, take Sister Coyote, for example.....she's been on now for awhile, yet hasn't replied yet to the Night One thread.
As you both may know, the wolves forum is on here too, only hidden. So I like to think that, chances are, someone constantly "online" here but not doing much by way of posting, yet mysteriously just "hanging around" or "checking in often" has better odds of being a Wolf than anyone else.
This applies, so far, to: Bufftabby (who has been off and on all day since Night one started for, like 15 minutes at a time, but only made one or two posts) and the already mentioned SisterCoyote
And here's another thing about the Who's Online feature not many know about (although it can be figured out by watching it often, as I once did): The people who were the most recently active will be placed to the FAR LEFT of the list. So people you see more to the left will be those who just recently changed (or refreshed) a page...the people to the FAR RIGHT..and closer to the right... are people who have either been on one page for awhile, been idle for awhile, or are ready to time out/drop off the "who's online" list.
The online list automatically updates itself every time someone clicks to a new page or refreshes...taking that person and putting them, again, first in line at the left. This is why MOST OF THE TIME, when you look at who's online, you will be at the far left......because you had just refeshed/clicked there last.
So yeah, this could be useful. For people hanging around for awhile, not making any public posts, yet continually being placed to the left of the list....Metagaming as hell, I know, but potentially useful.
So color me suspicious even more of bufftabby and somewhat of SisterCoyote.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 17:14:28 GMT -5
And there's bufftabby again...just hanging out, I guess. Uh huh. Right.
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 27, 2010 17:24:53 GMT -5
Also, this is probably major metagaming, but I'd also use/go with who is on the boards (but not doing anything) longer than most. I'm starting to see patterns on the "who's online" feature (which is public, so anyone can see it). Actually, it's not public if the user has chosen to be "invisible", like me. However, anyone with admin privileges can still see invisible users. No comment about how useful looking at that info is. ;D
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 17:26:20 GMT -5
Actually stanislaus might still be able to get away with it (the freemason thing). He unvoted bufftabby quickly IIRC, but then disappeared and later turned up to say his baby had been sick (sorry to hear that, btw -- hope he's better soon and you don't catch it). He could easily have missed sending handshake orders. Let's see what happens tomorrow, what's said about the handshaking and what the numbers are. One of us should be free to make the offbeat disguise choice that's not predicated on passing as a townie, anyway (for defensive or offensive power use) -- it may as well be me.
Storyteller's not playing like a detective, IMO, and that's the only role we *really* *really* don't want to block even tonight, so I'd consider him an option. Same with the rest of the people on that list of mine -- MHaye, sachertorte, Bill.
For decent suspects, not counting bufftabby*, I currently have septimus, MHaye (again), Red Skeezix (gut feeling, little I can point to other than my visceral reaction to repeated use of the word "interesting" in mafia games), Sister Coyote (possibly trying too hard not to take Nanook/Eureka at face value).
*bufftabby would be a complicated choice. I'm one of the few people who openly suspects her enough to make a block reasonable, but a missed kill points to me as Cabal or Undead almost as much as it points to her as Vampire or Wolf. (Of course, some enterprising not-me Cabal could theoretically try to frame me with it.) And if she's a wolf, she probably doesn't do the kill anyway. If she's a freemason, the block is pointless. The scenario in which it is useful is if she's a Vampire, because if that's the case she's doomed and she may kill for revenge as much as anything. Also on the plus side is we know she's not a Detective and not a Witch.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 17:33:24 GMT -5
Hee, I love your metagame thing, mostly because it would implicate me like crazy myself. Bufftabby could theoretically be hanging around waiting to see if any of her fellow freemasons decide to confirm her tonight (though they'd be insane to do so early on, I suppose), or wondering whether to give name or number of the handshakes she got, herself. (I'm such a devil's advocate.) SisC is veddy veddy interesting. Speaking of offensive power use -- how tempting is it to try to nail an unprotected Witch by borrowing Vampire powers? So so tempting, but the odds are not fabulous, are they? 50% on the face of it.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 17:38:39 GMT -5
What's up with Captain Pinkies, by the way? I don't remember him posting at all, but he shows as active in the last 24 hours.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 17:59:46 GMT -5
Witches only can protect one of their own, right? So since there are two of them outed, they can either just protect eureka or Nanook?
I'm fine with trying a block on Story, MHaye, or Sach. Bill is sorta okay too, I guess, although he wouldn't be my first choice just because he didn't really post as much as the others so it was harder to get any sort of a feel with him.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 18:01:19 GMT -5
Adding another to the list: Special Ed I have seen many, many times now. Saw him on here about half an hour ago for about 10 minutes, then again fifteen minutes ago for about ten minutes, now there he is again.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 18:12:54 GMT -5
How do you go invisible, by the way? Probably prudent for nights.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 18:22:39 GMT -5
I'm back, 20 minutes later...three people on the boards right now..me, Pleo,...
..and Mr Special Ed. Heh.
You just go to your profile, modify and then select invisible or private or whatever it says.
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 27, 2010 18:25:21 GMT -5
Okay, you caught me. I've been posting on secret boards.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 18:32:39 GMT -5
You scummy McScumperson.
Oh please let all of my suspects actually be mafia; it would do wonders for my ego.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 28, 2010 0:07:16 GMT -5
So...plan of action...
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Post by stanislaus on Jul 28, 2010 7:31:39 GMT -5
I've checked the roles/rules:
Detective, Freemason and Vicar are Day Powers, so we can't affect them in any case. ~Witches are immune to us. The roles we can block are: Wolves; Vampires; Necromancer; Seer. Possibly the Coroner.
The roles we want to block?
I'm not sure there are any. Kills will probably help us, unless we're unlucky enough to be the victims. Even then, the chance that we block just the right one of the potentially 9 killing roles targeting us is pretty small. Blocking the Seer helps if we're under investigation, but that's a shot in the dark.
Of course, over time, seeing who doesn't take actions will help us work out who's who.
I'm inclined to think that if bufftabby is claiming Freemason, she probably is one. Either that or she misunderstood the Omega Wolf role, because she'd just be busted on it right away.
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Post by stanislaus on Jul 28, 2010 7:36:43 GMT -5
Oh, even more glaring than seeing who's online: if I look at my profile, I see the threads I've last posted in. So I looked at Idle's. "Secret Night One" is there in black and white. I haven't checked anyone else's because that's out and out cheating, but I am going to PM Pleo about it.
Oh, and thanks for asking nphase - my son is fine, but I didn't avoid getting the bug myself. Being bigger though, I'm less affected than he is.
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Post by Renata on Jul 28, 2010 7:39:01 GMT -5
I could still see bufftabby being mafia, particularly Vampire. If she's Vampire, then her main concern is to survive to night so she can get a kill in for the team. In that situation, a doomed freemason claim is no worse than any other and better than some. I'm not sure she was in so much danger she'd have to claim at all, though -- eh, probably I'm wrong and she's Town. Which sucks, because she'll have some major information by now and she thinks I'm scum. C'est la vie. Maybe some enterprising mafia will kill her.
Going to go do some word-counting in the day thread -- back shortly.
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Post by Renata on Jul 28, 2010 8:53:23 GMT -5
Hee, just checking roles again and wouldn't Witchdoctor be a kick under the right circumstances? Say there's a vampire exposed plus one of us, late in the game after the witches are gone -- probably the vampire gets lynched first, and then the wolf or undead has some motive to rid themselves of the cabal threat: use the witchdoctor power on yourself and pop back up a couple of days later, just in time for endgame. Hehe.
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Post by Renata on Jul 28, 2010 9:31:31 GMT -5
Ok, role mentions. I have this theory that most players with a town role will tend to perk up and respond when that role is mentioned (or mention it themselves) at a higher than random rate. This is easy enough to check. (Non-town roles are probably the opposite, but too hard to look for.)
Seer -- Ed's the only one who mentions it (twice).
Coroner -- nothing
Vicar -- Ed (once)
Freemason -- Ed's not likely to be one, as he brings it up twice in a context that suggests he doesn't understand the role. -- Moley mentions it in the context of his great post on Idle's possible strategy and again in correcting a misunderstanding of Idle's. He's also reading as uber-town to me, super relaxed and confident. He may well be a freemason. -- Mental Guy also corrects Idle's mistake. -- Skeez makes a mistake assuming the Omega Wolf would have much motive to claim freemason with several in the game -- he's probably not freemason and maybe not Wolf either.
As an aside, I just realized the wolves have an enormous motive to kill Bufftabby -- she can single-handedly ruin the Omega Wolf's power if she ever reveals who she got handshakes from today (and by extension, who she did not get them from). The same is going to apply to any claimed freemason. I wonder if she realizes it. I wonder if they do. The roles are so hard to keep straight right out of the box like this.
Out of time for the moment, but have tiny tiny read on Ed as possible Seer (could also explain his diffidence) and fairly strong one on Moley as freemason.
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 28, 2010 11:04:57 GMT -5
Oh, even more glaring than seeing who's online: if I look at my profile, I see the threads I've last posted in. So I looked at Idle's. "Secret Night One" is there in black and white. I haven't checked anyone else's because that's out and out cheating, but I am going to PM Pleo about it. Already answered via PM, but just for nphase's benefit ( Idle is in a special situation as the board admin)--you can only see secret boards/threads if you know the password. Check my profile--you should not see my posts on other secret boards.
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Post by Renata on Jul 28, 2010 14:27:52 GMT -5
I thought maybe somebody would react oddly enough to the reveal of the Hoopy Frood Zombie to out themselves as Undead, but nothing stands out. Only SisC, Kat, Bill and sachertorte really commented before the discussion moved on. Bill reads genuine. There's a small possibility SisC ("/boggle
I just and what? ") or Kat ("*blinks*
Um, does Zombie Frood count as an actual zombie and thus part of the Undead's win condition? ") may have been trying just a little too hard to act like they didn't know that was coming.
sachertorte jumped in with his usual analysis of the situation, nothing weird there.
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Post by Renata on Jul 28, 2010 14:56:06 GMT -5
OK, reading further, Kat makes a comment that serves to point out the Undead's strength,which is probably not something an Undead would do. Metallic Squink and duvsie both screw up Hoopy's status in weird ways; they're probably not Undead either. FCOD has a comment I read as a null tell.
That leaves SisC as the only person to ping Undead based on comments about the Zombie.
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Post by Renata on Jul 28, 2010 14:57:52 GMT -5
I guess I'd go with either SisC or Ed as my best chance of blocking either an Undead who might kill us or a Seer who might investigate us. Though there's one more possible Seer tell I want to check on.
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Post by Renata on Jul 28, 2010 15:17:53 GMT -5
Ok there's nothing -- that's the best I can do.
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