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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 6, 2007 23:27:20 GMT -5
I have the feeling that today is going to be a run-off 'twixt drainbead and Cookies. No-one else seems to have been as scummy as these two to the majority of the town. I don't like this. Yeah, Drainbead and Cookies are the only two that have votes right now. But Ui didn't come in until like the second/third-to-last day of yesterDay and he ended up lynched. In fact, he only had like 1 vote on him going into the last 24 hours of the Day and he managed to get lynched with several hours before the deadline. This close-minded thinking of "welp, we have to lynch drainbead or Cookies now guys!" is not good for the town. --- As for the Cookies vs. drainbead runoff that people are apparently waiting for claims on, well, everyone should know my opinions by now, but sure I'll share them again with NewThoughts(tm). I don't buy into the Cookies "scumslip" as enough to force a lynch outta her just yet. Frankly, I'm more suspicious of some of the people that keep insisting on voting Cookies than I am of Cookies herself. Also Hockey's "Top Dog" reasoning for Cookies (which I hope is some sort of joke and there's going to be an actual explanation soon, otherwise what the hell?) threw up radars for me. Drainbead's been on my suspicion list for her "me too" voting, then she posted this: Cookies, this is the second time you've mentioned adding a third party to the mix. If anything, I think that's bad for us at this point, as it will potentially make the eventual lynch rushed and result in a bad decision. I can only think you're saying that because you know I'm town and you're scum, and potentially adding another townie to the mix ups your odds. This post is in the same line of thinking as Cat's post I quoted above, that it has to be either her or Cookies. Not town helpful when we have FOUR DAYS LEFT in the Day, and both Cookies and her are close to role-claiming vote territory. And then this: What I can say now, and will, is that a bunch of people in this game have been barking up the wrong tree for quite some time. Whether that's due to scumminess or simply being misguided, I dunno. What? This confused the living bajeezus out of me. To me, it's like drainbead the poster was replaced by a fortune cookie for this post. This post is vague enough to imply that she knows something important, enough that maybe people might back off of voting for her so she doesn't have to roleclaim? Intrigue people enough that she might be a power role so people will back off of her vote and keep her safe in the best interest of the town? A possible scum trick there? Or, if she has to role-claim and claims vanilla townie, she can use that vague post to say that she was implying that everybody that suspected her was "barking up the wrong tree" and that's not earth-shattering at all. It's almost like a "magic bag" post that can easily just turn into an "ordinary bag." I've been playing WIFOM indecisiveness too much. Time to have some wine. Vote drainbeadOn my unofficial count, my vote puts drainbead at 9, and Cookies is at 7 at the moment.
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Post by dnooman on Oct 7, 2007 0:45:20 GMT -5
And then this: What I can say now, and will, is that a bunch of people in this game have been barking up the wrong tree for quite some time. Whether that's due to scumminess or simply being misguided, I dunno. What? This confused the living bajeezus out of me. To me, it's like drainbead the poster was replaced by a fortune cookie for this post. This post is vague enough to imply that she knows something important, enough that maybe people might back off of voting for her so she doesn't have to roleclaim? Intrigue people enough that she might be a power role so people will back off of her vote and keep her safe in the best interest of the town? A possible scum trick there? Or, if she has to role-claim and claims vanilla townie, she can use that vague post to say that she was implying that everybody that suspected her was "barking up the wrong tree" and that's not earth-shattering at all. It's almost like a "magic bag" post that can easily just turn into an "ordinary bag." I've been playing WIFOM indecisiveness too much. Time to have some wine. Vote drainbeadOn my unofficial count, my vote puts drainbead at 9, and Cookies is at 7 at the moment. I'm glad I wasn't the only person to notice that. It seems like she's either setting herself up for a roleclaim, or doing the same but with an extra power role flavor to it. I'm smelling scum really bad.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 7, 2007 8:00:19 GMT -5
Since this is pretty much inevitable, I might as well get it over with now. I've done my best to leave breadcrumbs for everything I've done, and I suppose that's why I've drawn so much suspicion.
I am Kaylee Frye, Roleblocker. I am aligned with Crew, I win when all Alliance are dead. Once per night I may use my skills to trap a person in their room, blocking their night action. I have a 1/x chance of blocking a Night kill if I block scum, with x being the number of remaining Alliance.
The first night, I blocked Diomedes. Total newb mistake. I got excited about the game starting and playing my first real power role, and it didn't even occur to me that I should probably just refrain from picking someone. However, I suppose that action has a silver lining, because I can now confirm Diomedes. He is what he says he is. He got fuzzy screens because I was blocking him. I even tried to breadcrumb that fact a little bit after he claimed, by outright apologizing to him for it. I'd guess that he will also confirm that he only got "fuzzy screens" the first night, and every other night he saw the person he was watching sleeping peacefully. This leads me to throw a major FOS in the direction of those who questioned Diomedes too much after his role-claim--after all, what better way to off a strong town power role than to get the rest of us to do it? This list includes panamajack, sinjin/nesta (who didn't outright come out and say "I suspect" but did hammer on the whole "why Yattara" point a bit much), whatthefrak, who said before his own role-claim that he viewed Dio through a veil of suspicion, and mtgman, who rightly picked up on the fact that I have some connection with Dio but comes to the wrong conclusion about it.
The second night is where it gets interesting. I blocked Greedy Smurf. I had a read on him from something he said early on Day One that made me think he had a Night action that didn't get to play on the first Night, and I saw that a couple other people suspected him as well, so after the Day One clusterfuck I figured I'd try throwing a block his way and see what happened. This explains Blam's accusation that I had Perfect Information Syndrome, which I couldn't adequately explain earlier without a full roleclaim. I'm guessing that Greedy was the one who tried to kill panamajack. And knowing that Greedy was blocked means that I'm relatively certain that there's a Vig or some other night killer (or, as Roosh posited, multiple scum groups, although my role PM wording doesn't seem to include that as a possibility) out there somewhere. (As an aside, this also explains dotchan's concerns with me after I had suggested on Morning 2 that we should probably focus less on how people died and more on why. I knew that pretty much everyone was getting it wrong. Sometimes Occam's Razor leaves a really nasty shaving cut.)
The third night, I targeted Cookies, and was rather surprised when there was only one kill. Does that mean that Cookies is scum? The odds are certainly against it based solely on what I did. But viewing the totality of the evidence, I think he's the best bet we have.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 7, 2007 8:27:17 GMT -5
drainbead
Thank you for the roleclaim. That makes a lot of sense considering actions taken.
Would anyone like to counter claim?
And if nothing comes forward, would you like to claim as well Cookies?
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Post by Mad The Swine on Oct 7, 2007 9:24:00 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't been real active the last few days..been a bit busy
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 7, 2007 10:32:41 GMT -5
Um. I'm a "she". Based on implications of drain's claim, assuming it is true, the idea of me claiming on top of it toDay really doesn't sit well with me due to the sheer volume of information that would be provided to the scum. If consensus gets me within a couple of votes of a lynch, I will reconsider. And Cat, if it wasn't so steeped in "Would a scummy really expose themselves that much???" WIFOM, I would so be voting for you right now. Most of my defenses have been in response to your posts, but I'm not convinced yet if that is mostly due to so many unjustified/lazy/"me too" votes against me, and your's are mostly the only ones with content/justification that I can address. Your statements and actions recently also leave a "puppetmaster" taste in my mouth with the drive for both drain and I to claim toDay. So I'm going to narrow down my FOS to Cat alone, amongst The Claimed. A few other people have been looking at Cat, and I'd have no problem putting a vote there if others are inclined to do the same. But I am not inclined to go pioneering that direction while the noose is around my neck. My confidence level is not high enough yet, and I'll re-state yet again, that I doubt anyone will be following me into any dark corners while I'm on the block. I realize that my level of implied trust could very well change if I just claimed, but the risk is just too high unless absolutely necessary, imho. Onto drain's claim: My vote is staying on her, for now, for one primary reason, but you're all going to have to wait or force it out of me, because it involves my claim, and there are some possibly valid explanations that do not implicate drain. I hate to do this to the Town, but I think it is the safest play, and you each can act out your angst by pushing me closer to the hammer if hearing my claim is the most important thing to you right now.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 7, 2007 10:49:54 GMT -5
So let me get this straight.
You would be voting for me right now because I have raised the posts with content and justification againast you and you would not be voting the "me too" votes because they would be less scummy?
People have been looking at me since Day 1. I have no problems with that and can justify everything as well.
Your actions now are why I asked for this to come earlier rather than later. Otherwise we would be getting roleclaims from you and drainbead at the end of the day leaving us with little to go on.
At this point if you are both town, then we at least have some time to start building a case against other characters.
By holding on to a roleclaim until the very end, if you decide to roleclaim at all, you could q
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 7, 2007 10:50:24 GMT -5
uite possibly force the town into a No-Lynch situation
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 7, 2007 10:51:16 GMT -5
Umm, broken in mid flow - not quite what I was expecting to happen ??
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 7, 2007 11:13:41 GMT -5
I didn't say I would hold it till the very end. I said I would hold it until I was within a few votes of the hammer. There are 4 days left until a no-lynch would occur.
And I have called attention to the "me too" votes. My vote is on another of them right now (drain). The inherent problem with "me toos" and otherwise unjustified votes (as I've stated previously) is that they can't be rebutted. They can just be pointed out. I certainly notice that they're there, and have pointed them out. As I said in my above FOS, I am not confident as to whether your posts are sticking out at me because they have something in them that I can rebut compared to the rest, or because they're triggering my scum'o'meter, or both.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 7, 2007 11:16:56 GMT -5
unvote Drainbead
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 7, 2007 11:20:21 GMT -5
So Cookies, you do not believe in Drain's RoleClaim? And you have evidence in YOUR role claim to counter him? But you will only share said evidence if you gain enough votes? Is that REALLY what you're saying?
Basically you're doing a "i have a magic bag! You cannot see it until you vote for me!" ploy? Are you basically ASKING for my vote?
If you have something that can expose SCUM then you should just share it. But at this juncture I'm really confused by your posing, and I dislike it. Drainbead did it too with his earlier comments and that got him voted by atarus. And Now you're going to do it?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 7, 2007 11:40:13 GMT -5
I don't necessarily believe the claim yet, due to one particular facet, that carries with it (depending on the facts involved) indication that it (in no particular order) a) pokes a hole in drain's claim, b) indicates actions taken by someone other than drain, c) fits within the possibilities of drain's claim as stated.
So I'm weighing this against the following: 1) So far 2 players who apparently want my claim now that they've seen drain's 2) I'm carrying somewhere around 50% of the votes needed to lynch. 3) The potential damage that could arise from information that my claim will provide to the scum as well as the town.
I can't share the burden of deciding what to do with this information without, oddly enough, SHARING THE INFORMATION. My personal set of scales tells me that I should wait on consensus to demand my claim.
I'm counting everyone already voting for me as wanting to hear my claim ASAP. And I'm now counting Roosh in that number. As for the rest of you: You don't have to vote for me, just say that you think I should claim now.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 7, 2007 11:49:31 GMT -5
Could I get an Official Vote Count? I'm looking at some Data, and could use it.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 7, 2007 11:50:02 GMT -5
For The Record Official Vote Count:
Cookies (7): Captain Klutz, drainbead, FCoD, CiaS, Pygmy Rugger, Hal Briston, hockeymonkey drainbead (8): Captain Spaceman Blam, dotchanV2, Idle Thoughts, dnooman, Cookies, storyteller, diomedes, atarus
15 out of 23 votes cast.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 7, 2007 11:53:42 GMT -5
Actually, hold off for a while, I'm still not voting for you, dammit! I'm just puzzled by your actions. You're NOT my #2 choice. So unless you have something that'd expose Drainy as scum, I wouldn't wanna know. But on the other hand, by you admitting such a thing.... You're pretty much shooting up on the "Townie Most Wanted" list for scum to kill. And if you die without sharing that info, do you think it'd hurt the town?
So put me down for curious about it, but not necessarily calling for your head on this info. I'd Fos you for it, but I'm not going to vote you either way unless you show something real scummy.
Though I'm curious about: Drain's accusation that she Blocked you and there was only 1 night kill last night.... That to me would be the damning evidence to make me consider voting for you.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 7, 2007 12:23:52 GMT -5
drainbead's claim seems to fit with what I was thinking about her - she has special information, and (most recently) was more interested in self-preservation than necessarily catching scum. I don't think I'll vote for her without something substantial occurring.
The only thing that seems a bit off is that I was still attacked on Night 2. Maybe it's my inexperience with the game, but I was under the impression role blocking would result in no action taking place. The closed set-up means I don't know for sure if this is the case (and it actually makes a bit of sense, since this way we get a bit of information with each event as the game goes on).
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 7, 2007 12:30:50 GMT -5
Do you care to weigh in on whether or not I should claim sooner than later, while you're here, panama?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 7, 2007 12:44:14 GMT -5
Come on y'all. I'm only willing to carry the responsibility for so much risk. Don't make me make another gamble (by my assuming that people would actually participate in the discussion) on top of the one I'm already making.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 7, 2007 12:52:26 GMT -5
Cookies,
Although I would like you to claim, I would suggest waiting at until at least tomorrow to see if anyone is going to counter claim drainbead's role name.
Effectively, that is what we are waiting for.
Give it 24 hours and if no-one has claimed by then, feel free to consider your options.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 7, 2007 12:58:58 GMT -5
Hmmmm.
Okay, I was a proponent of Occam's Razor in Day 2. However, drainbead's role-claim and explanation seems TOO simple to me. It's like all the answers to the mysteries in the game have suddenly been presented to us neatly gift wrapped with a shiny bow on top.
Role-blocking Diomedes seems normal. I get the fuzzy screens. However, why would panamajack get a message about anything if Greedy Smurf was blocked? In my opinion, if drainbead did block Greedy Smurf night two, then there must be yet another killing faction out there (like a 50% kill person) that attacked panamajack, because I just don't see why he would get information. Greedy would be let known he was blocked, but also inform the attackee? I don't get it. (Although, for WIFOM sake, it would explain why nobody's come forward toDay with a similar struggle/fending off an attack.)
Then drainbead conveniently blocked Cookies last night, and has hinted at the groundwork to lynch the other person that has votes at the moment by implying that she might have blocked the scum killer last night. Now, I guess the question to ask is: is drainbead really that good? A roleblocker that successfully picks out a power role/scum every Night so far, even when it's just luck (Night 1)? Hmmmmm...
I'll keep my vote where it is right now, but if there isn't any new information/counter-claim/whatever after some time, I'll unvote.
As for Cookies, well, I think the sooner you role-claim the better, as if you DO have information that helps the town, the more time the town has to digest and work through both yours and drainbead's information, the better. FYI, I don't like that you did the same thing as drainbead, as that was the straw that got me to vote for drainbead in the first place. I know I'm just one person, but still... *waggles finger*
On Preview: I echo Cat's sentiments that you should at least wait to see if anybody says anything against drainbead's roleclaim first, but I still think soonerish (no later than tomorrow) is better than laterish (24 hours before lynching).
However, Cat, you're expressing waiting for just a nameclaim that rivals drainbead. If somebody has info that contradicts drainbead's info explanation, they might want to step forward too.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 7, 2007 13:08:58 GMT -5
atarus,
If anyone has got anything that shows she is scum I am willing to listen. However, given her status on the crew of the firefly I would expect a name counter claim if she was lying.
As for the attack on panamajack, I can think of a couple of reasons as to why what occured, occured. However, as it is a closed setup, who knows (except for bastard Mods (tm) ;D )
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 7, 2007 13:11:15 GMT -5
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unvote drain bead
I'm heading off to work at 4pm EST, not coming back until 9:30~10 pm ish. I hadn't found Cookies suspicious until she piped up about secret information that she doesn't want to share with the group (because just telling about the existence of a secret is sort of ruining the secret)...but it's something of a null tell for now. So I'll just borrow one of Diomedes' fingernails of misgiving.
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Post by dnooman on Oct 7, 2007 15:01:43 GMT -5
Unvote DrainBead
Wait a little while Cookies, we need to relatively sure that everyone's had a chance to read DB's claim before you claim.
Man, I hope I'll be able to spot the inevitable false role claims. Either we've already had one or more, or the bastard scum are just really good at hiding this time around. Neither of those scenarios are good.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 7, 2007 15:48:43 GMT -5
drainbead's claim seems to fit with what I was thinking about her - she has special information, and (most recently) was more interested in self-preservation than necessarily catching scum. I don't think I'll vote for her without something substantial occurring. The only thing that seems a bit off is that I was still attacked on Night 2. Maybe it's my inexperience with the game, but I was under the impression role blocking would result in no action taking place. The closed set-up means I don't know for sure if this is the case (and it actually makes a bit of sense, since this way we get a bit of information with each event as the game goes on). I thought about that, and also that the color of your attack does not mesh with the color of my role. It's possible that there were FOUR kill attempts made that Night. But to go from four to one makes my head explode at the moment, so I just figured it was the easiest explanation. Given how this game has gone so far, that's probably a mistake.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 7, 2007 19:24:32 GMT -5
With a huge sigh of relief (and the prayer that the jokes about 'fuzzy screens' will stop), I'm going to unvote: drainbead. Now I've got two potential Roles to confirm, plus a little list of my scum-suspicion folks to Watch tonight.
I've drawn up a little list of my suspected names-to-roles guesses based on the abilites of the characters in the series, and Kaylee was my guess for Roleblocker. Makes me feel a little more secure that our Mods aren't trying to screw with us entirely.
But whom to vote for today? I still don't like Cookies as a lynch candidate (but not having a good reason to not lynch her, I'll go along with it if we don't have any other reasonable candidates.
We've still got Blaster and story sniping at each other. That could be a preplanned scumfight. Or not. We've got a slew of questionable roleclaims. We've got the unclaimed folks who have had semi-reasonable questions put to them (hockey, for one. Perhaps Idle, as well?)
And then there're the people who've voted against me. Lord knows, I'm a vindictive summabitch, so I'd have no problem paying close attention to cases made against mgtman or panama or Captain Klutz. I just don't have one myself.
Who's got an outstanding case they want to put forward? My vote's officially up for sale for any reasonable* offer.
*: Reasonable is subject to qualification. All cases may be reviewed by the official Diomedes board of approval. Prices and delivery may vary. Please check your local laws and ordinances before considering this deal. Offer void in Ariel, St. Albans, Haven and all Reaver terrotories.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 7, 2007 20:27:38 GMT -5
unvote drainbead
That's all I have for the moment, unfortunately. More tomorrow.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 7, 2007 21:19:09 GMT -5
Okay. It's not letting me Post. I think it's because my post is too big. So this is a test post.
WARNING: BIG ASS POST TO FOLLOW
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 7, 2007 21:20:24 GMT -5
PART ONE:
I'm really really suspicious of a few people. And I had no idea why. So I went and did some Data Finding. and well, I'll make an info dump post:
HockeyMonkey's been bugging me. I disliked her shabby vote w/o anything. I mean, not even an agreement really. Just tacking her vote on with the "TopDog" thing... looked like a reason to add a later vote. But mainly this whole Game I had been feeling uncomfortable, because I didn't have my spreadsheets from Asylum. Like we have that thing in Hal's profile- but honestly, it's ugly as hell to look at, with the scrolling and such. Always bugged me. Useful though. But not good for "big picture" ideas. And then we had HockeyMonkey's. I kept referring back to it. And it's a MONSTER. With all those unvotes, votes, and numbers. I was looking at it this morning and it just... it felt like it was obscuring something for me. So I decided I'd go and make my own. The way I think CiaS did in asylum. I'm more focused on VOTES at the end of the day. Mainly who voted for Who. And I can't really see the big picture w/ Hal's, unless you really like scrolling around, and I can't really notice anything with Hockey's SpagettiVoteCounter. Because it's everywhere. I just see, man people were busy.... But I like trends, and patterns and such. So I made a more familiar list and without further ado (*Note, I got all my data from HockeyMonkey's Info, just made it better for me to read*) and here it is:
~Chart to Follow in Part 2 cuz too big for one box~
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 7, 2007 21:21:29 GMT -5
PART TWO: THE CHART Key:[/u] Serial KillerMason/Possible MasonConfirmed TownClaimed Town/Crew/Name ClaimedScum DAY ONE VOTES:28 Total Players, Votes are in Order made. Dotchan1.0 (15): Roosh, CatinaSuit, Sinjin, Cookies, Drainbead, DiggitCamera, Hal Briston, Zeriel, MadTheSwine, FCOD, Diomedes, Mtgman, IdleThoughts, Blastermaster, PygmyRugger(Hammer) CatinaSuit (3): Yattara, Capt.Klutz, PanamaJack Atarus (1): HockeyMonkey Total Votes: 19 Did Not Vote(9): Atarus, Dotchan2.0, mhaye, storyteller, WTF, Dotchan1.0, GreedySmurf, Ui, mtgman, Dnooman Day 2: 25 Voters Alive[/u] Drainbead (1): Idle thoughts Ui (13): Yattara, Roosh, Cookies, Diomedes, Zeriel, HockeyMonkey, FCOD, MtSwine, Dotchan2.0, Storyteller, Hal, PanamaJack, PygmyRugger (Hammer) Cookies (2): Capt. Klutz, CatinaSuit** Idle Thoughts (1): MtgMan Roosh (3): Ui, Sinjin, WTF WTF (1): Drainbead Total: 21 Did Not Vote(4): ATARUS, BlasterMaster, Dnoo, mhaye ** CatinaSuit voted for Ui, but never unvoted, so vote didn't count Day 3 (so Far): 23 Living VotersCookies (7): Captain Klutz, drainbead, DCoD, CiaS, Pygmy Rugger, Hal Briston, hockeymonkey drainbead (4): Captain Spaceman Blam, Idle Thoughts, Cookies, atarus 15 out of 23 votes cast. Non Voters:Roosh, FCoD, MadtS, mhaye, mtgman, Nesta/Sinjin, PanamaJack, Storyteller, WTF, Yattara, dotchanV2, diomedes, Dnooman~I will try to update this list at the end of each day, I find the colors are helpful to me. Though at this point, we're racking up the name claims, and no red ~ ~PART THREE: MY IDEAS to Follow~ Edit Note: Coding
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