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Post by Renata on Apr 12, 2011 8:08:33 GMT -5
Septimus, if I have it straight, you say you can pass snacks every night. But I (and Lightfoot, and someone else you haven't named) only got any last night.
-- What did you do on Night One? -- Who was the third recipient last night? -- Why haven't you posted your role PM?
Also, I no longer think your role doesn't make sense as a scum power.
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Post by special on Apr 12, 2011 8:08:55 GMT -5
Captain Pinkies voted for TOWN on day 1 and didn't vote on day 2. He has not been around at all after the pissing match with Ed[/b/]. Didn't see any reason from him for not voting on Day 2.
Hey, go easy on captain Pinkies, he's doing what he can. he's even thinking about voting toDay. 1~~~~~~~~~~ 1 See Day 3, reply 21
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Post by septimus on Apr 12, 2011 8:34:43 GMT -5
1. So, you think it's unlikely that a snack stealing power exists? it's the [ma]in reason why I've given away so many snacks. I didn't want to have a large amount and have them get stolen by a non-Town player. 2. The only evidence that I have that I'm Town (and it's evidence, not proof) is that I've claimed a role that another player has confirmed exists and that doesn't make sense as a Scum power. 3. Now it's possible we're both Scum. 1. I needed give the matter little thought, at least if fellow Townies cooperate. Stealing (in the case it exists at all) is presumably a Night-time event, but I intend reducing to zero every Night, if necessary with invisible transfers, I still wonder whether only you and I had more than a few Snacks, or whether the others were being black*** ardly with their richesses. BobArghh may have hit the nail on the head. 2. Au contraire. To presume a standard Scooby scenario is to disdain Julie's skill. I think my power (passing Snacks invisibly) is a far more plausible Town power than "being kidnapped/rescued." YMMV. 3. This we both know is not the case. On the other hand, I do wonder if you and suburban are both scum, going for the Mother of all Busses in the Mafia Hall of Fame. The parities of my Day 1 and Day 2 receipts from the Moderator were even, odd. There. Your turn, Ed. How many Snacks do you have on hand now? How about you, BobArghh? Will any others volunteer an answer?
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Post by special on Apr 12, 2011 8:39:36 GMT -5
1. So, you think it's unlikely that a snack stealing power exists? it's the [ma]in reason why I've given away so many snacks. I didn't want to have a large amount and have them get stolen by a non-Town player. 2. The only evidence that I have that I'm Town (and it's evidence, not proof) is that I've claimed a role that another player has confirmed exists and that doesn't make sense as a Scum power. 3. Now it's possible we're both Scum. 1. I needed give the matter little thought, at least if fellow Townies cooperate. Stealing (in the case it exists at all) is presumably a Night-time event, but I intend reducing to zero every Night, if necessary with invisible transfers, I still wonder whether only you and I had more than a few Snacks, or whether the others were being black*** ardly with their richesses. BobArghh may have hit the nail on the head. 2. Au contraire. To presume a standard Scooby scenario is to disdain Julie's skill. I think my power (passing Snacks invisibly) is a far more plausible Town power than "being kidnapped/rescued." YMMV. 3. This we both know is not the case. On the other hand, I do wonder if you and suburban are both scum, going for the Mother of all Busses in the Mafia Hall of Fame. The parities of my Day 1 and Day 2 receipts from the Moderator were even, odd. There. Your turn, Ed. How many Snacks do you have on hand now? How about you, BobArghh? Will any others volunteer an answer? me and suburban? do you mean me and mental? or am I missing something? And when I said it's posible we are both Scum, I meant me and Mental. That should be more apparent if you read the entire paragraph as one idea instead of breaking it apart and numbering it like you to.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 12, 2011 9:52:06 GMT -5
I don't see how it can hurt or help but I did "receive 1 Scooby Snack from a mysterious source. "
No way for me to tell if it helps anyone. OR where it came from. Confirm, that's the same for me. Who was the third? There's only one player I know of whom I'm certain has more than 3 -- you know who you are -- you have at least five Snacks that I know of. I ask you to give most of those five Snacks some time early toDay to some other player you believe is Town. Without such a show of confidence, I'll consider voting to Lynch you. Well, it looks like the 'mystery recipient' is me. I received this PM from Julie last Night: I haven't decided what I should do with my snacks at the moment. I have no idea whether the Snacks are pro-Town, pro-Scum, or neutral. It may be best for Town to hoard them; it may be best for Town to give them all to Scum. I've been standing pat when it comes to Snacks until I have some clue as to what they might be used for, and so far I haven't found one.
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Post by Renata on Apr 12, 2011 9:59:39 GMT -5
One to me, one to Lightfoot, and three to you.
I have no idea what Septimus is trying to accomplish. Even if both of you are scum, thus somehow justifying one each to two "obvious townies" and three to his teammate, why do you admit to getting more than LightFoot and me?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 12, 2011 10:21:15 GMT -5
One to me, one to Lightfoot, and three to you. I have no idea what Septimus is trying to accomplish. Even if both of you are scum, thus somehow justifying one each to two "obvious townies" and three to his teammate, why do you admit to getting more than LightFoot and me? I'll ignore the first clause in your question, and simply answer "why do you admit to getting more than LightFoot and me?" Because that's what happened. septimus made it clear that he had passed out Snacks to three people, and that one of them had received more than one. I received the PM I quoted last Night, so it seemed that I was the third recipient. What reason would I have at this point to keep that a secret? I didn't solicit the Snacks, and I don't even have any direct evidence that they were from septimus (though in the absence of anyone else stepping forward I have no reason to believe that was not the case). I have no idea what septimus is up to either. By my count, I have now received more Snacks via transfer than any other player. septimus claims to be giving all of his away, and Ed seems to be doing the same thing. I have no idea what it all means.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 12, 2011 10:32:35 GMT -5
Nor mine (Okay, I lied, but that was a simple question/statement to answer). I feel daft I'm not sure I track that statement. and I thought you were going to rest 'til the meds wore off Don't feel daft; in the cold sober light of morning I'm not sure I track it either. I was saying that I had received no Snacks "from a mysterious benefactor" -- and that I was lying about going away until the drugs wore off. The current conversation about Septimus and Snacks is giving me a headache, and I don't have time to sort through it right now.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 12, 2011 12:09:31 GMT -5
Here are what I've come up with regarding Scooby Snacks. Where necessary, substitute "Good for Townie" with "Bad for Scum", and vice versa.
1. Snacks are good. The more a Townie has, the better. Giving Snacks away is not good for a Townie.
2. Snacks are bad. The less a Townie has, the better. Giving Snacks away is good for a Townie.
3. Snacks are neither good nor bad. The act of giving them away, however, is good for a Townie.
4. Snacks are neither good nor bad. The act of giving them away, however, is bad for a Townie.
5. Snacks may or may not be stolen by others. I don't think Snacks can be stolen, because nobody has complained that some of their stash was pilfered.
6. One or more players in the game has a wincon based on either giving Snacks to people or getting Snacks from people. The fact that others have Snacks and can trade them is just a device to mask the actions of those third-parties.
This is what I've come up with. Feel free to add your own thoughts.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 12, 2011 12:30:38 GMT -5
Also, Septimus, why make the statement you think I'm Town? Why ask if I'm willing to receive Snacks from you?
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Post by guiri on Apr 12, 2011 12:34:31 GMT -5
I think he wants to find out if you're worth killing: OK. I think there are a small number of Townies who need lots of Snacks to help us win. Those Townies can't identify themselves blatantly -- they'll be Killed.
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Post by Renata on Apr 12, 2011 12:51:55 GMT -5
Septimus, I asked you for your role PM and what you did on Night One. Please either answer the questions or explicitly refuse to.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 12, 2011 12:57:12 GMT -5
I think he wants to find out if you're worth killing: OK. I think there are a small number of Townies who need lots of Snacks to help us win. Those Townies can't identify themselves blatantly -- they'll be Killed. That's...interesting.
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Post by special on Apr 12, 2011 13:45:16 GMT -5
I think he wants to find out if you're worth killing: That's...interesting. really it's more than
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 12, 2011 13:59:14 GMT -5
Yeah, but the confused smiley is the closest I can come to a skeptical smiley (skeptical with regard to Septimus, not guiri's quote or interpretation of him).
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 12, 2011 14:00:13 GMT -5
You know, in thinking about it I'm just finding Septimus' play sketchy all over the damn place, even more than Plankton.
Unvote: Suburban Plankton Vote: Septimus
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Post by guiri on Apr 12, 2011 16:25:49 GMT -5
On Septimus, in addition to the D2 case on him: He misrepresented his vote on Lightfoot He never explained why he made the partial claim when he did He posted twice after FCoD's claim before commenting (on the tracker function and format of the claim), posted again before finally changing his vote when it was clear FCoD was not going to be saved from the lynch He misrepresented his role in the lynch of FCoD He seems to have forgotten his case on me, another weak vote? His whole "I'm semi-confirmed" spiel He lied about his power being one-off but I understand that could have been an attempt at WIFOM but then why make a full claim so shortly after?
On his role: We have 3 players confirming that they received Scooby Snacks from a mysterious benefactor. His claimed role is consistent with his obsession for Scooby Snacks and their purpose, quantity and distribution. We have the ability to transfer snacks openly.
What purpose could secret transfers have for Town? Maybe his role was designed so he could simply transfer his own snacks, plus any snacks he received each Day, to a player who he suspected had a need for the snacks. But how would he suspect that? A breadcrumb? Surely scum would have a greater chance of picking up on a potential Town power breadcrum to make his role worthless. And if a Town power role who happened to require snacks was forced to claim, why couldn't he simply transfer his snacks openly? I'm not seeing a use for his role.
As a scum power it makes sense if one or more of his scum buddies requires Scooby Snacks (Shaggy, for instance, who had a stash of snacks when he was arrested) and so he can secretly pass all his snacks without suspicion.
I do think he's either misunderstood his role or is intentionally trying to pitch it as something much greater than its intended function, does he really expect people to hand over their Scooby Snacks so he can secretly redistribute them to people he thinks may need them?
Vote Septimus
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Post by guiri on Apr 12, 2011 16:38:33 GMT -5
Scuzzlebutt Day 1 #2 Name claims Lily McGee, edits post #9 Fluff, is female #51 Is here, checking things out #254 Confirms that she claimed her character in this game #258 Explains why claimed, thought she was responding to Suburban's claim. Edited to remove hint to role #308 Sees no harm following Romanic's snack exchange plan, may need to be subbed out #370 Fluff #371 Fluff
Day 2 #5 Comments on 3 Town deaths, asks if anyone knows what snacks are for #111 Is back, will read, will vote #190 Apolgizes for participation, asks for suggestions on how to catch up without reading every post #192 Comments on re-read progress #195 Comments on re-read progress, suspects Mental #248 Not sure about Mental, believes Special #251 Has not read all posts, votes FCoD for Day 1 comment that he doesn't say anything when he has nothing to say, adds "if you play these games, you can really find suspicion in a lot of what is being said."
Day 3 #76 In response to poke from Bob, is here, suspects Septimus for the "I am Town" campaign and (not?) scum-hunting, feeling better about Mental and Special, will review their voting patterns #78 Is online at night, defends D2 participation: "at least I voted, unlike Captain Pinkies" #80 Gives a snack to Bob #89 To Renata, who asks why give a snack, "just because", wanted to see what would happen #117 Will place Septimus on back-burner due to role claim, comments on Joanie's lack of participation and votes on likely Townies Special and Lightfoot, comments on Pinkies's participation and vote on a Townie D1 and lack of vote D2.
Comments: - the early name claim is interesting, given the lack of a Night 0 and the timing of the post, if she's scum, this is probably her real character name and, while it doesn't tell us much about her alignment, it could limit her options for a fake role claim - the vote on FCoD could easily be bussing, for sure she was simply jumping on the bandwagon and apparently wasn't looking at any of the other lynch candidates - the multiple mentions of Special and Mental? - I'm not sure if she felt that Septimus was suspicious for not scum-hunting or for using the term "scum-hunting"? - while the prods at low participants are OK, from her it's quite is ironic and seems to be based on her "at least I voted [scum]" - her willingness to put Septimus on a back-burner given that his claim says little to nothing of his alignment? - I'm not seeing much of "you play these games, you can really find suspicion in a lot of what is being said." in her play so far
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Post by Renata on Apr 12, 2011 16:59:25 GMT -5
She needs to talk about more people, and not just in the context of who's said the least.
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Post by guiri on Apr 12, 2011 17:10:57 GMT -5
Other thoughts: Peeker/Idle: I hope Peeker's well. He caught my attention with his lack of comment on the whole Special/Mental situation and his comment afterwards that there was something hinky/contrived about it. Idle's just added a vote to the doomed FCoD, gloated about the 3 NKs but has said he'll have little time till Thursday. I'll look forward to that.
Greedy Smurf Day 1 #64 Confirms, asks Pinkies why he claimed #65 Neta #269 Has timezone issues. Summarizes Special and Mental's claims. Daphne is a likely character, will take Special's claim at face value. Will nose around the other votes.
Day 2 #12 Apologizes for absence, has not yet finished reading D1 thread #15 Fluff re: username #212 Comments on game so far (it's Lightfoot: 5, FCoD: 3, Septimus: 2), suspects a scummy Lightfoot would be coached by scum - has newish town vibe, asks Suburban what he doesn't believe about Special's claim and whether he has information that can dispute the claim, doesn't have much of a read on Septimus but was twigged by vote on Lightfoot, believes Special's claim - gives possible reason why there's been no counterclaim of Daphne, wonders if Septimus is scum with knowledge fishing for Town powers or a Town power trying to share knowledge - suggests sharing, metagame smudge on Story being insightful disguised as a personal comment, votes Septimus
Day 3 #109 Dog ate my homework
The main things that catch my eye here are: - his first and only post with content came 36 hours before the end of Day 2 - the lack of mention of FCoD despite being in second place while mentioning the other two lynch contenders - the reasoning in his vote on Septimus: doesn't have much of a read, suggests that Septimus may be a town power trying to share knowledge, invitates him to share his knowledge, votes anyway as doesn't want to be a non-voter again - the smudge that's not a smudge on Story would be very weird for a fellow scum to come out with, not impossible but weird
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Post by guiri on Apr 12, 2011 17:15:14 GMT -5
Here's one for Captain Pinkies:
Day 1 vote count, E&OE: Archangel(4): Renata[245-355], Mental[319], Bill[331], FCoD[349], Special[382]
FCoD (3): Archangel[377], Septimus[404], Lightfoot[477]
Special (2): Suburban[92], MentalGuy[147-194], Joanie[156], Special[170-248], Archangel[217-253], Renata[225-245], Pinkies[227-256] Paranoia (2): Renata[94-195], Renata[200-225], Guiri[272], Renata[469] Bill (2): Pinkies[400], GnarlyCharlie[471]
Lightfoot (1): Renata[355-469], Inner[401] Septimus (1): Romanic[412] Scuzzlebutt (1): Sister[457]
Pinkies (0): Special[49-170] MentalGuy (0): Renata[195-200] Renata (0): Archangel[253-358] Inner (0): Lightfoot[402-477]
Non-voters (6): Mahaloth/Bob, Peeker/Idle, GreedySmurf, [Scuzzlebutt], Storyteller, Paranoia
Day 2 Vote Count:
*FCOD (9): Renata[22-179], LightFoot[99], Sister[122], Mental[137], Suburban[226], storyteller[233], scuzzlebutt[251], BobArrgh[304], septimus[335], Idle[343]
LightFoot (4): Special[66], FCoD[156], Septimus[178-227], Joanie[200], Inner[211]
septimus (3): Renata[179], guiri[182], GreedySmurf[212]
Inner (1): romanic[118] Romanic (1): gnarlycharlie[276]
Renata (0): Story[110-233] Guiri (0): septimus[261-335]
Not Voting (1): Captain Pinkies
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 12, 2011 17:23:44 GMT -5
I apologize for my relative lack of participation Today...things have been busier than usual on both the home and work fronts the last couple of days so I've had precious little time to post, though I have had slightly better luck being able to read the thread. I'm hoping to be able to carve out some time this evening to reread the Day and have something to contribute.
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Post by guiri on Apr 12, 2011 17:32:17 GMT -5
Joanie, day one6 – here 74 – nothing to contribute yet, sort of a newbie, would appreciate suggestions on finding others scummy 136 – had missed a lot, thought she could comment but will have to come back later tonight 156-7 – votes special Ed due to his chasing Captain Pinkies around As I indicated before, this is a solid enough vote.Day Two18 – 3 town down already? Not a good start. Sorry not around, hospital was stressful, should be a bit better now. That’s it.
I’d like to see more from Joanie, but for a player with only one substantive post to date – and that voting for a player I currently think is town -- and a few old-fashioned scum tells to boot, she comes off to me as rather townie. It’s all in that vote on Special Ed, the tone and length and details of which feel perfectly honest and straightforward. Shading down toward neutral on the whole due to mere absence of input, but there’s nothing here I’m interesting in voting for. How are you feeling about her since her more recent contribution s - her Day 2 vote? VOTE LIGHTFOOT because... I feel like all the I am town, I am town is a little much. If you are town great but why mention it in "every" post. Sorry for the short post yet again but I spent a lot of my gaming time reading and re reading so I have to tend to RL crap. I will try to be back tonight if not tomorrow before day end. Please anyone feel free to give me some feed back, I'm feelng a little in over my head with this game. Note the "If you are town great but why mention it in "every" post." I think she's being honest that she's feeling a little over her head but I hope she returns and contributes.
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Post by special on Apr 12, 2011 17:41:41 GMT -5
AWOL
1/2 oz amaretto almond liqueur 1 oz Scotch whiskey 1/2 oz Orange Curacao liqueur 3/4 oz lime juice
Shake and strain into an old-fashioned glass filled with broken ice. Serve with a wedge of orange on the rim.
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Post by Renata on Apr 12, 2011 17:46:53 GMT -5
@ Ed -- Ha.
@ Guiri -- Slight negative for potential motivations for voting Lightfoot at all that day, given the other choices. The vote itself is hard to fault and really completely fails to ping in any way. (Minus perhaps the unfulfilled promise to come back.) Net result still very close to neutral.
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Post by Renata on Apr 12, 2011 17:51:09 GMT -5
Also, I still plan to look at gnarlycharlie next. Just haven't been feeling well enough today for that sort of effort.
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Post by Renata on Apr 12, 2011 17:52:47 GMT -5
Not sure what you meant by this, Guiri.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 12, 2011 19:20:40 GMT -5
@Joanie: Don't worry about being in over your head. It's just a game. It's supposed to be fun.
@Septimus: So I guess we aren't going to get the answers to the questions that have been asked? Bummer.
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Post by Joanie on Apr 12, 2011 21:04:17 GMT -5
I'm finally back and caught up on the day.
OOG- I am really sorry about not making it back before this but RL is throwing me a nasty hand right now.
Unfortunately reading has left me even more confused. I really wish I knew what Scooby Snaks are for and think that someone may know or have some idea. I am reluctant to transfer any because I don't want to give the "wrong" people an edge but I will say I have an even number of snacks. I wish I had more to contribute but I am not getting any strong feelings at this time. I am planning a re-read of everything tonight, cause I don't expect to sleep much. Hopefully I will find something that I can comment on.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 12, 2011 21:32:00 GMT -5
OOG I had to completely refigure my computer to get anywhere this eve (arg!) /OOG
I am tempted to vote Joanie because of her non participation and votes for town (and me I will admit) But RL can really play a part so I won't at this time.
The players that Bob & Idle replaced were not very vocal and I am not seeing a bunch of substance from them so I suspect them as well. Septimus has thrown a monkey wrench into my thoughts. There are a few small pieces of information that I have surmised that leave me confused there .
At this time I Vote.. Greedy Smurf perhaps a "poke vote" (if I understand the term) but I feel an earned one . After " The internet ate my homework" comment I was not feeling TOWN
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