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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 19, 2011 22:16:35 GMT -5
@Burby: I'm sorry to hear that. Spend as much time hugging your family, eating, laughing, and sharing the good memories of your Mom.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 19, 2011 22:33:39 GMT -5
Close to the deciding votes and an early end of Day (if /when the hammer is used and I feel it will be) I (feebly ) attempted to breadcrumb who I was the 'faithfull friend " of If not believed the three that are in the 'targeted' pool of suspects are fine with me
As long as I am not the only one.
Since I made my last post @ " if you decide it is best" The only challengers have been the non confirmed.
I dunno if it would make any difference to the believed confirmed at this point so I sit
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Post by septimus on Apr 20, 2011 2:46:25 GMT -5
I am so sorry to hear of your loss, Suburban Plankton. Prayers and tears for you.
Out of touch for only a while, I see pages to catch up with. (I'm on your graveyard shift anyway. I'll read and probably post by your breakfast.)
PS. The stick gunfighter figures in my avatar icon were drawn by my 8-year old son. It was first time either of us used Gimp Layers. He loves to draw, mostly with pencil, but never draws anything but battle scenes.
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Post by septimus on Apr 20, 2011 6:35:41 GMT -5
Most players have claimed, and most claims appear valid. It seems likely that Town will be declared victorious as soon as Greedy Smurf is hammered dead. But we should concern ourselves not with the more probable threat, but instead with the threat which, if uncountered, could still lead to Town loss. There might be one (or, yes, perhaps even two, counting recruitees) Scum lurking in relatively plain view. It has been asked what discussion is like on the Scum board. But are we sure there even is a Scum Board? And if so, could this give a clue? ... That was a present for my favorite bully.... No point in staying around in a game where you are not respected. I win with town, so I don't care if I die... I see no need to rush to Lynch Greedy; instead we should worry about playing safe against a more adverse situation. @ guiri -- will you Kill Greedy if we don't? Or do you have other plans? Unvote: Greedy Smurf@ special ed - you asked me to cast a vote. For whom? and why? What adversity need we worry about? special ed suggests traitor masons, a crafty Renata, and even a false septimus, but never draws attention to the gravest danger, however unlikely: That to win we must first kidnap Daphne (does it not seem odd to have a kidnappee with no kidnapper?) I don't really think Ed is scum, but like a "safety play" in bridge to guard against a 5-0 trump split, we must now: Vote: Special Ed
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 6:46:16 GMT -5
Close to the deciding votes and an early end of Day (if /when the hammer is used and I feel it will be) I (feebly ) attempted to breadcrumb who I was the 'faithfull friend " of If not believed the three that are in the 'targeted' pool of suspects are fine with me As long as I am not the only one. Since I made my last post @ " if you decide it is best" The only challengers have been the non confirmed. I dunno if it would make any difference to the believed confirmed at this point so I sit Meeko?
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 6:52:11 GMT -5
Most players have claimed, and most claims appear valid. It seems likely that Town will be declared victorious as soon as Greedy Smurf is hammered dead. But we should concern ourselves not with the more probable threat, but instead with the threat which, if uncountered, could still lead to Town loss. There might be one (or, yes, perhaps even two, counting recruitees) Scum lurking in relatively plain view. It has been asked what discussion is like on the Scum board. But are we sure there even is a Scum Board? And if so, could this give a clue? ... That was a present for my favorite bully.... No point in staying around in a game where you are not respected. I win with town, so I don't care if I die... I see no need to rush to Lynch Greedy; instead we should worry about playing safe against a more adverse situation. @ guiri -- will you Kill Greedy if we don't? Or do you have other plans? Unvote: Greedy Smurf@ special ed - you asked me to cast a vote. For whom? and why? What adversity need we worry about? special ed suggests traitor masons, a crafty Renata, and even a false septimus, but never draws attention to the gravest danger, however unlikely: That to win we must first kidnap Daphne (does it not seem odd to have a kidnappee with no kidnapper?) I don't really think Ed is scum, but like a "safety play" in bridge to guard against a 5-0 trump split, we must now: Vote: Special EdWhy that' so crazy it just might work! I suggested that you vote? Really? I suggested traitor masons? Actually, Renata mentioned them first and I just screamed in horror at the thought. It is odd to have a kidnappee without a kidnapper. I wonder why my kidnapper hasn't claimed. I kinda figured it was because the kidnapper was Scum. You seem to have a different thought. That, Ed, as Scum, was honest about being a kidnappee, but our kidnapper lied (or is Greedy Smurf, I suppose) And so, you don't think I'm Scum, but you want to lynch me anyway. That's right, so crazy it's brilliant if it would work.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 20, 2011 7:01:54 GMT -5
Most players have claimed, and most claims appear valid. It seems likely that Town will be declared victorious as soon as Greedy Smurf is hammered dead. But we should concern ourselves not with the more probable threat, but instead with the threat which, if uncountered, could still lead to Town loss. There might be one (or, yes, perhaps even two, counting recruitees) Scum lurking in relatively plain view. It has been asked what discussion is like on the Scum board. But are we sure there even is a Scum Board? And if so, could this give a clue? ... That was a present for my favorite bully.... No point in staying around in a game where you are not respected. I win with town, so I don't care if I die... I see no need to rush to Lynch Greedy; instead we should worry about playing safe against a more adverse situation. @ guiri -- will you Kill Greedy if we don't? Or do you have other plans? Unvote: Greedy Smurf@ special ed - you asked me to cast a vote. For whom? and why? What adversity need we worry about? special ed suggests traitor masons, a crafty Renata, and even a false septimus, but never draws attention to the gravest danger, however unlikely: That to win we must first kidnap Daphne (does it not seem odd to have a kidnappee with no kidnapper?) I don't really think Ed is scum, but like a "safety play" in bridge to guard against a 5-0 trump split, we must now: Vote: Special EdI almost agree with this. I have been thinking that maybe Daphne gets kidnapped by being lynched. I have looked at the roles of the DEAD scum, and assuming that the kidnapping is a rather scummy thing to do, no one stands out except FCOD being the Dog Catcher, I think with his game style it would of been done to save himself (I think FCOD was a man). Then you have Cap, well hell you saw the first day, if Cap was the kidnapper, Daphne would of been gone, although that would of looked too obvious to everyone. Now the fact that Greedysmurf has not really been a very active player in the game, could be the answer to why she has not been kidnapped. Would like to hear from others before unvoting. Would it be a stipulation on winning if that action(Kidnapping) died off with a lynch?
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Post by septimus on Apr 20, 2011 7:08:27 GMT -5
I suggested that you vote? Really? Renata and Suburban, would you do me a favor and cast a vote for Septimus? Remove it later after a vote count. Also, Septimus, maybe you can vote for one of them, please? ... Earlier I asked for an explanation of this. AFAIK my request was ignored.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 20, 2011 7:12:02 GMT -5
Most players have claimed, and most claims appear valid. It seems likely that Town will be declared victorious as soon as Greedy Smurf is hammered dead. But we should concern ourselves not with the more probable threat, but instead with the threat which, if uncountered, could still lead to Town loss. There might be one (or, yes, perhaps even two, counting recruitees) Scum lurking in relatively plain view. It has been asked what discussion is like on the Scum board. But are we sure there even is a Scum Board? And if so, could this give a clue? ... That was a present for my favorite bully.... No point in staying around in a game where you are not respected. I win with town, so I don't care if I die... I see no need to rush to Lynch Greedy; instead we should worry about playing safe against a more adverse situation. @ guiri -- will you Kill Greedy if we don't? Or do you have other plans? Unvote: Greedy Smurf@ special ed - you asked me to cast a vote. For whom? and why? What adversity need we worry about? special ed suggests traitor masons, a crafty Renata, and even a false septimus, but never draws attention to the gravest danger, however unlikely: That to win we must first kidnap Daphne (does it not seem odd to have a kidnappee with no kidnapper?) I don't really think Ed is scum, but like a "safety play" in bridge to guard against a 5-0 trump split, we must now: Vote: Special Edlet's have a list of who to annoy or lunch if Greedy Smurf isn't Scum. Town has an overwhelming advantage. i really feel that there was no NK because Scum didn't weren't around.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 20, 2011 7:24:00 GMT -5
Most players have claimed, and most claims appear valid. It seems likely that Town will be declared victorious as soon as Greedy Smurf is hammered dead. But we should concern ourselves not with the more probable threat, but instead with the threat which, if uncountered, could still lead to Town loss. There might be one (or, yes, perhaps even two, counting recruitees) Scum lurking in relatively plain view. It has been asked what discussion is like on the Scum board. But are we sure there even is a Scum Board? And if so, could this give a clue? ... I see no need to rush to Lynch Greedy; instead we should worry about playing safe against a more adverse situation. @ guiri -- will you Kill Greedy if we don't? Or do you have other plans? Unvote: Greedy Smurf@ special ed - you asked me to cast a vote. For whom? and why? What adversity need we worry about? special ed suggests traitor masons, a crafty Renata, and even a false septimus, but never draws attention to the gravest danger, however unlikely: That to win we must first kidnap Daphne (does it not seem odd to have a kidnappee with no kidnapper?) I don't really think Ed is scum, but like a "safety play" in bridge to guard against a 5-0 trump split, we must now: Vote: Special Edlet's have a list of who to annoy or lunch if Greedy Smurf isn't Scum. Town has an overwhelming advantage. i really feel that there was no NK because Scum didn't weren't around. I tend to agree with you Gnarly. I have no idea of Greedy's game play but if you are the last SCUM, you might just give up and assume you will be lynched for not participating. If we lynch someone else, it has to be someone of a key role that is not confirmed. Lynching me would just stop Scooby snacks and like it has been said there are enough in circulation that I don't need to make anymore. So, you would not find out a lot of info by doing this. It would have to be someone like Reneta who holds the role of Protector, I would not do Idle, we need him around to be the "cop" and possibly investigate Greedy. I will re-read all the roles and give who I think should be up for a lynch to find out info.
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 7:27:23 GMT -5
Hugs, Burby.
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 7:31:27 GMT -5
Scuzzle, no offense, but exactly how long do you think that Idle will survive once I am dead?
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 20, 2011 7:31:41 GMT -5
I was going to make another post last night, but my power went out immediately after the last one.
As far as the Night actions, I would like to see either Septimus or Suburban annoyed away, and either the other one or Lightfoot investigated.
I am going to go ahead and vote for Greedy, then if guire and Idle decide what actions they want to take, they can go ahead and vote to hammer.
Vote: Greedy Smurf
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 20, 2011 7:40:22 GMT -5
I looked at both roles that have to do with the aftermath of Daphne's kidnapping and it states:
11. MentalGuy - Bambi, Searcher
Quote: You are Bambi. No, not a white tailed fawn. You are a hotel Maid and you are very good at paying attention to your surroundings. Normally, you just do the sorts of things maids do, but there are two potential times when you will use your powers of observation to help Town win via defeating all of the Scum.
Daphne may be kidnapped. Velma may lose her glasses. If either of these happen, you may submit a list of three rooms you wish to search during that Day for either, or both. The sooner you find the missing, the better off Town will be. Which is good for you because you are Town and win when Scum is eradicated.
9. Suburban Plankton - Frank Roper, Rescuer
Quote: You are Frank Roper, Hero Extraordinaire, and you have a special assignment: Daphne. Specifically rescuing Daphne if she gets kidnapped. Let's face it, that happens to her a lot.
If she does end up kidnapped, you'll get some clues to help you find her, and there are other players who may step in and give you a hand. This will all make more sense if her kidnapping happens.
8. Mr. Special Ed - Daphne, Kidnapee
Quote: You win if Scum is defeated, but you may not be as helpful as some other Townies in making that happen. Why? Because you are Daphne and you specialize in being kidnapped by the bad guys. As specialties go, it really leaves a lot to be desired since it enables your kidnappers to vote in your stead.
Kidnapping will not interfere with your participation in game threads. You will receive clues to your whereabouts and have a limited amount of secret communication with another player that will help him or her to find you and set you free. This will all become clearer once a kidnapping happens, if it does. Still, it would probably be for the best if you didn't get kidnapped in the first place.
Having read everything I doubt that TOWN win with Daphne, at some point being kidnapped. I don't believe that it is a stipulation to win. So with lynching Ed it won't show us very much like others.
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 7:41:19 GMT -5
*sigh*
Septimus has already been investigated. Suburban, if not mafia, will necessitate a fast decision on whether or not to lynch Ed tomorrow to prevent his becoming an unlynchable, perhaps unkillable scum vote, and that's if he hasn't already been kidnapped just on the chance that Suburban is not around in the morning.
A Lightfoot investigation would be fine with me given her reluctance to name her protector. I don't know if she just doesn't understand the numbers argument I've made or doesn't agree with it, but given she's said she breadcrumbed the name (and where, even), which is pretty much a roadmap to scum should they want to figure it out, I have no idea why she doesn't just tell the rest of us.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 20, 2011 7:45:22 GMT -5
Scuzzle, no offense, but exactly how long do you think that Idle will survive once I am dead? I understand that with my theory puts Idle in danger, I was not thinking that if you get lynched by us at the end of the Day, Idle can go at NK without us finding out who he investigated. Will keep thinking...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 20, 2011 7:47:17 GMT -5
*sigh* Septimus has already been investigated. Suburban, if not mafia, will necessitate a fast decision on whether or not to lynch Ed tomorrow to prevent his becoming an unlynchable, perhaps unkillable scum vote, and that's if he hasn't already been kidnapped just on the chance that Suburban is not around in the morning. A Lightfoot investigation would be fine with me given her reluctance to name her protector. I don't know if she just doesn't understand the numbers argument I've made or doesn't agree with it, but given she's said she breadcrumbed the name (and where, even), which is pretty much a roadmap to scum should they want to figure it out, I have no idea why she doesn't just tell the rest of us. I 100% agree with the Lightfoot investigation. I find it odd that she has not come forward to name the person. I have to go to class now, will be back later.
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 7:47:27 GMT -5
I suggested that you vote? Really? Renata and Suburban, would you do me a favor and cast a vote for Septimus? Remove it later after a vote count. Also, Septimus, maybe you can vote for one of them, please? ... Earlier I asked for an explanation of this. AFAIK my request was ignored. Oh, you must have missed the part where I said it was to see if the snack distributing was preventing voting. But then it was pointed out that votes had been cast for you, so I dropped the point. I didn't notice that you'd still been confused.
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Post by guiri on Apr 20, 2011 8:01:01 GMT -5
@ guiri -- will you Kill Greedy if we don't? Or do you have other plans? I think Greedy is the best lynch candidate for toDay but if there's a major vote swing towards someone else and the game isn't over, yes, I would certainly annoy Greedy toNight. I was thinking of annoying one of the 3 less useful roles while Idle investigates one of the Daphne-trio but I can see the appeal of an investigation of Lightfoot. let's have a list of who to annoy or lunch if Greedy Smurf isn't Scum. Hungry?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 20, 2011 8:09:24 GMT -5
let's have a list of who to annoy or lunch if Greedy Smurf isn't Scum. Hungry? ha ha ha! *LYNCH well i must have been. i posted this right before dinner.
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 8:16:15 GMT -5
That reminds me, I think I'm still voting Septimus.
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I actually agree with what Guiri just said as to the best course of action. I think it's more urgent to know the status of the Daphne group* than it is to know the status of LightFoot. I'd be fine with an investigation of LightFoot, but it wouldn't be my first choice if I was the one sending the order.
*Because everyone else with the minor possible exception of SisC has a role that demonstrably does something *other than* kidnapping Daphne, and we have not seen a scum kidnapper turn up dead. (Caveat it could be a team-held power. Caveat in direction of Ed that the existence of my own role is only circumstantially proven.) And because Guiri killing SP or Mental directly could hypothetically turn out nasty if both are telling the truth. And investigation of either of them, though, would be immensely helpful.
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 8:18:18 GMT -5
NETA: Should be *An investigation of either of them ...
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 8:26:19 GMT -5
I agree. If a Town Suburban were to turn up dead, It is most likely beneficial to have me leave the hotel.
It does put the Scum in a quandry for a Night kill toNight though.
Assuming we lynch Greedy and the game is not over..
If Renata is not Scum, do the Scum: 1. Kill Renata so they can have access to Suburban and Idle? 2. Try to kill Suburban or Idle, thereby perhaps confirming Idle's investigations and/or adding to the credibility of the Daphne group. 3. Shoot for a Mason to reduce the unknown pool.
In thinking it over, I might not be a bad lynch target. It will remove the possibility that my vote can be controlled. Guiri can shoot at greedy Smurf toNight and Idle can investigate one of the 3 not confirmed or Daphne related, as my death should provide some credibility for the Daphne group.
What do you think?
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 8:27:20 GMT -5
The previous post was written as I thought things through. I didn't necessarily end up where I thouhgt I would when I started.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 20, 2011 8:35:49 GMT -5
i understand the need to have contingencies in case Greedy Smurf isn't Scum. let's have them. however i believe we should hammer pretty soon, say in 12 hours. otherwise we have two more days of waiting for the end of Day.
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 8:36:58 GMT -5
I'm very reluctant to lynch someone I think is town when it not quite to the point of danger yet as far as I can tell. It's true that pending the outcome of this lynch and the night actions, it may just be delaying the inevitable, but I like to have you around.
My big fear/paranoia is that scenario where we are down to the situation where someone in the "don't lynch/kill" group as it stands is the final scum, and they are able to kidnap you unopposed, bringing it to like a 5 or 6 player LYLO, and it feels like there is still time to avoid that without having to make the decision now. Is there any way short of that that the wildcard you represent could bite us in the ass? What happens if you are kidnapped tonight?
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 8:37:56 GMT -5
i understand the need to have contingencies in case Greedy Smurf isn't Scum. let's have them. however i believe we should hammer pretty soon, say in 12 hours. otherwise we have two more days of waiting for the end of Day. What's your hurry?
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 8:40:30 GMT -5
Hammering now will only start the next day going into the weekend, not exactly a town-friendly situation. I'm for letting the day run all the way out, currently, even if it all turns out to be moot.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 20, 2011 8:41:07 GMT -5
It's interesting, Ed. As I was reading your #352, I started thinking, "Perhaps we should lynch Ed to eliminate the possibility of Daphne getting kidnapped."
Certainly something to think about, especially if we annoy Greedy Smurf toNight.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 20, 2011 8:50:44 GMT -5
i understand the need to have contingencies in case Greedy Smurf isn't Scum. let's have them. however i believe we should hammer pretty soon, say in 12 hours. otherwise we have two more days of waiting for the end of Day. What's your hurry? honestly, i'm bored ****less. that's why i said have contingencies in place and hammer. if you're not happy with lynching Greedy, lynch Ed or whomever we agree on. what's wrong with the weekend?
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