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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 8:54:57 GMT -5
Lots of us don't really post on weekends. If it sucks up two of our five days, that's generally not a godo thing.
Sorry you're bored.
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 8:57:59 GMT -5
I'm very reluctant to lynch someone I think is town when it not quite to the point of danger yet as far as I can tell. It's true that pending the outcome of this lynch and the night actions, it may just be delaying the inevitable, but I like to have you around. My big fear/paranoia is that scenario where we are down to the situation where someone in the "don't lynch/kill" group as it stands is the final scum, and they are able to kidnap you unopposed, bringing it to like a 5 or 6 player LYLO, and it feels like there is still time to avoid that without having to make the decision now. Is there any way short of that that the wildcard you represent could bite us in the ? What happens if you are kidnapped tonight? My fear is the I will be kidnapped and Suburban will be lynched toNight. In that case, I become unlynchable. I may be able to be Vigged, but that's uncertain.
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 8:59:31 GMT -5
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 20, 2011 9:14:12 GMT -5
my IP address is banned? anyway, i'll check in at end of Day. i reiterate i don't recommend hammering for the sake of hammering or because i'm impatient. make the necessary plans and go for it. finally, if more people are free during the week rather than the weekend, by all means, wait it out. i made the assumption that people were busier during the week due to school or work.
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 20, 2011 9:37:05 GMT -5
*sigh* Septimus has already been investigated. Suburban, if not mafia, will necessitate a fast decision on whether or not to lynch Ed tomorrow to prevent his becoming an unlynchable, perhaps unkillable scum vote, and that's if he hasn't already been kidnapped just on the chance that Suburban is not around in the morning. A Lightfoot investigation would be fine with me given her reluctance to name her protector. I don't know if she just doesn't understand the numbers argument I've made or doesn't agree with it, but given she's said she breadcrumbed the name (and where, even), which is pretty much a roadmap to scum should they want to figure it out, I have no idea why she doesn't just tell the rest of us. I felt I was forgetting something as I posted that. I think lynching Ed may be the best play since it makes Suburban and I essentially vanilla. I will go ahead and change my vote, but if the majority still feel we should lynch Smurf, I will change it back. Unvote: Greedy Smurf Vote: Special Ed
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 20, 2011 9:45:19 GMT -5
finally, if more people are free during the week rather than the weekend, by all means, wait it out. i made the assumption that people were busier during the week due to school or work. Quite the opposite, it seems. There are a number of us who only find time to post while we're at work... I've been reading the last 6 or 8 pages that I've missed, but I can't say I'm really up to speed on the intricacies of what's going on. I agree that Greedy Smurf looks like the best candidate for a lynch. I don't know what the vote is right at the moment, so I'm not casting my vote because I don't want to tip us over the hammer threshold. I'll most likely just be reading along for the remainder of the Day, and then pick up again at the start of the next Day (assuming there is one, and I'm still alive to see it).
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Post by julie on Apr 20, 2011 9:54:18 GMT -5
Just a FYI:
Because of a scheduling conflict, the end of Day can still be Friday at 3, but I will not likely be around on Friday. I will be hurtling cross-country in a Jeep with three cats and all my worldly possessions in it. So, there will likely be a delay, perhaps a significant one, between end of Day and the lynch reveal.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 20, 2011 10:03:36 GMT -5
Burby - I'm sorry to hear about your mother.
Why are we suddenly voting Ed? I don't follow the arguments -- can someone explain again using small words?
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 10:04:36 GMT -5
Will you be around tomorrow (Thursday)? A one-day-early hammer, if it could be managed, wouldn't be too bad, and would prevent delays.
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Post by julie on Apr 20, 2011 10:08:57 GMT -5
Will you be around tomorrow (Thursday)? A one-day-early hammer, if it could be managed, wouldn't be too bad, and would prevent delays. I'm leaving early tomorrow. I will have a computer with me, but I don't know if I will have access to internet. If people want to hammer but are worried about the Night schedule, I have no issue with Day 5 not starting until its regularly-scheduled time.
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 10:11:43 GMT -5
SisC --
Ed cannot be lynched if he is ever kidnapped. Vig kill is not known, but I see no obvious reason that it would be different. (Maybe if Guiri picked the one-in-nine room that Ed was hidden in, he would be successful, and otherwise not.)
Depending who the remaining scum is and the sequence of lynches and kills, it's hypothetically possible that Ed could wind up *still* kidnapped with six players left and have that effectively be LYLO due to Ed's stolen vote. Needless to say a six player endgame trying to find one scum is less than ideal.
I'm not sure the risk is so great that it's worth lynching (or night-killing; I suppose Guiri would retain that option tonight if Ed was not lynched today) an almost-certain town player, and an active one at that, just to prevent. I'd love to see more comments on it; I'm too distracted myself just now to try to think through the various possibilities, if it's even possible to come to a conclusion that way.
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Post by julie on Apr 20, 2011 10:21:54 GMT -5
Vote Count:
*Greedy Smurf: 5 (BobArrgh 32, Idle Thoughts 196, Sister Coyote 210, Scuzzlebutt 212, gnarlycharlie 217)
Special Ed: 2 (septimus 333, MentalGuy 364)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
guiri: +5 (Sister Coyote 303)
Renata: +5 (Sister Coyote 303)
guiri: +5 (Scuzzlebutt 305)
Renata: +5 (Scuzzlebutt 305)
guiri: +1 (gnarlycharlie 312)
Renata: +1 (gnarlycharlie 312)
Renata: +5 (Idle Thoughts 323)
guiri: +5 (Idle Thoughts 323)
Corrections always welcome.
As a reminder, a hammer can be put into effect with 67% (9 votes, currently) on a single player. If a hammer is put on, Day will end within 2 hours.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 20, 2011 10:31:19 GMT -5
Strange dreams last night. This game is in my head
Is it possible that lynching Ed ( or a specific number of votes )could trigger the kidnapping?
Or did we exceed that Day one (I wonder if that is what he was checking )
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Post by septimus on Apr 20, 2011 10:33:59 GMT -5
My fear is the I will be kidnapped and Suburban will be lynched toNight. In that case, I become unlynchable. I may be able to be Vigged, but that's uncertain. I don't understand. If you become completely unkillable, doesn't that guarantee your team victory? @ Julie -- If guiri solemnly avows he'll annoy Greedy toNight, if still alive, and Greedy is in fact the only remaining Scum, would you declare game over and won for Town now?
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 10:34:58 GMT -5
Depending on the order that powers are resolved, I might be kidnapped before guiri's kill goes into effect.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 20, 2011 10:54:43 GMT -5
I don't understand. If you become completely unkillable, doesn't that guarantee your team victory? Not if an opposing team controls his vote.
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Post by special on Apr 20, 2011 11:03:14 GMT -5
My fear is the I will be kidnapped and Suburban will be lynched toNight. In that case, I become unlynchable. I may be able to be Vigged, but that's uncertain. I don't understand. If you become completely unkillable, doesn't that guarantee your team victory? If we get to three handed with a Scum, a Town, and me, then the Scum would have 2 votes to either vote off me or the other Townie.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 20, 2011 11:27:56 GMT -5
Unvote: Greedy Smurf [/color]
I do see value in lynching Ed and that it turns 2 town players vanilla and takes away the issue of her being kidnapped, as long as the lynching does not cause the kidnapping. If the lynch sets the kidnapping in motion we still have the two rescuers in play at the end of the day. Not saying that one of them cannot be NK, I would imagine that Renata would protect one.
I will be around for the rest of the day in case we all decide that a Hammer is the best way to go and lynch Greedy
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 20, 2011 11:42:35 GMT -5
I thought I had posted it earlier, but I must have gotten interrupted and closed the window. When I was catching up this morning, I started thinking it might be a good idea to lynch Ed to prevent a kidnapping. I see the idea is getting traction.
@Septimus: I'm a little twigged by your statement "If you become completely unkillable, doesn't that guarantee your team victory?" (Underlining mine).
Why "your team" rather than "our team" or "our victory"?
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 11:47:16 GMT -5
No. I will not protect Suburban or Mental. We are in all likelihood in a numbers game situation here, and taking a guess on one of them doesn't advance
As I've said and Ed implied, with him still alive we could hypothetically hit LYLO at six players remaining. One Scum, one kidnapped Daphne and four town. Mislynch plus night kill brings it to four left. Scum could force a tie (not sure what the tiebreak rule is right at the moment, but scum would surely have the upper hand in implementing it), thus winning the game. It would effectively be a 1 in 5 chance of lynching the right person, which is horrible odds for a situation that would surely be "which of these players we've been assuming is town is NOT"?
And all that said adn as bad as that situation would be, it's not really all that likely. If all of the people I have as confirmed/likely town in that previous post actually *are*, then the possibility of Ed's kidnapping is immaterial. We can lynch and vig through all the unknowns comfortably prior to end game -- which is why LightFoot needs to spill; it's the town-friendly thing to do -- even assuming Ed's vote has been taken. As long as I protect either Idle or Guiri tonight, it can't be prevented.
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Post by Renata on Apr 20, 2011 11:48:51 GMT -5
NETA: first paragraph should end "doesn't advance the numbers game".
Bob -- Septimus was investigated as town.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 20, 2011 11:57:31 GMT -5
1. I don't like the idea of annoying GreedySmurf, I like the idea of lynching him. There's never any surity that Night actions will go through. Have we seen a roleblocker yet? I don't think we have..and sometimes the scum have a nasty habit of having one. Of course, if Greedy is the last one, he might not be around to use his power* (whatever it may be--roleblocking or not), but as Ed said, he has been shown to BE ACTIVE on here yet not posting, so he may submit a Night action.
*So far all of the scum have had some sort of power/action--as have all of the Town. It stands to reason GS does, too.
2.Scuzzlebutt, I wasn't planning to investigate GS because I already am suspicious of him. To me it seems it would be a wasted investigation. Like I said above, I think lynching GS is the best way to deal with him.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 20, 2011 11:58:07 GMT -5
Aren't there a few mechanisms that can make SCUM investigate as TOWN? Are we putting too much weight on the players that investigated as TOWN.
I did think this could be valuable information but if you want it here it is. Unaltered complete PM
You may recall my "let sleeping dogs lay" comment when a player was pushing for Scooby's identity
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 20, 2011 12:01:22 GMT -5
Yes, Lightfoot, and they were mentioned already. The main one is that the scum GODFATHER or ALPHA WOLF/MEMBER/WHATEVER will be scum but investigate as Town. And Julie said (to my asking of it) that there may be a role or roles that wouldn't show up as the truth...
...but if you remember, one of CAPTAIN PINKIES roles was ALPHA DOG. With the world "alpha" in there, I'm betting he'd have investigated as Town. And while that doesn't cancel out the total possibility of others, usually there's only one in each game.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 20, 2011 12:08:10 GMT -5
Just thinking out loud, trying to help.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 20, 2011 12:48:52 GMT -5
Wow, I completely missed a whole (new) page. With all that's been said on this new page (13--I composed my last two messages thinking 12 was the last one), I agree it might be better to lynch Special Ed toDay, just in case.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 20, 2011 13:06:32 GMT -5
And yet, your response to my post fits perfectly
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 20, 2011 15:03:52 GMT -5
May I have a translation please?
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 20, 2011 15:11:49 GMT -5
I believe there is another player on these boards whose name is "Meeko", and that your post sounded a lot like his or her writing.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 20, 2011 15:34:50 GMT -5
Ok so now I'm peekers sister and a Meeko doppleganger. Get us all in the same room it sounds like we would confuse the hell outa half of you
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