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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 4, 2011 20:34:09 GMT -5
But while I was trying to think, I decided to go back and check and see if there was anyone who hasn't posted yet, and I found a few: Captain Pinkies, Rysto, and Merestil Have Should that be a cause for concern? 1. Rysto - as mentioned earlier he posted early in the Day 2. Merestil - posted recently but said would be away 3. Captain Pinkies - HA HA HA HA HA! So you have some sort of a power role, Honest Moley? There is absolutely no reason for Moley to answer that at this point in the game. Moley has since answered but i would guess as much. having a post restriction without any sort of power would suck. On Colby - I'm not sure about this one. I feel like he's trying to come across as genuine but at the same time he's obviously experienced at this. I hate the "no edit" rule as well, by the way. On Ace - (S)he's sticking out a bit for newbie scum, which is not how I would necessarily expect her to play. I incline right now to the theory that she's newbie town. some background for those who are interested. correct me if i'm wrong. 1. Colby - 1st time here. has played twice on FB twice. was Town both times and NKd on N1 twice. 2. Ace - 1st time here. has played twice on FB twice. was Scum both times and lynched early (D1 and D2).
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Post by ace093 on May 4, 2011 20:39:30 GMT -5
i come home from work to find a mouse stuck in my window and to find out i may be lynched... aarrrgh... if you feel you need to lynch me because i wont admit whtere i am town or not then please do so... but if the rest of the crowd were to jump off of a bridge on day 1 I wouldnt have done it either.... i dotn always follow the crowd... And i feel that is what harmed me int he pas playing mafia. so this time around i am going to stickk to what i feel inside and go with my gut.. so for all of you who are wondering... when i am lynched tomorow or in the nect few weeks you will then find out who i am!!!
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Post by ace093 on May 4, 2011 20:40:28 GMT -5
now that i see everyone wants to lync me i must take the night to read all of the comments and decide who i think should be lynched... let ya know in the morning!!!!
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Post by Dirx on May 4, 2011 21:05:25 GMT -5
ace, what do you say to the argument that there is no risk whatsoever to claiming "I am Town" and there is no logical reason to not do so? (assuming, of course, you are Town. If you're not, then you probably need to be lynched or killed anyway)
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Post by LightFoot on May 4, 2011 22:47:47 GMT -5
i come home from work to find a mouse stuck in my window and to find out i may be lynched... aarrrgh... if you feel you need to lynch me because i wont admit whtere i am town or not then please do so... but if the rest of the crowd were to jump off of a bridge on day 1 I wouldnt have done it either.... i dotn always follow the crowd... And i feel that is what harmed me int he pas playing mafia. so this time around i am going to stickk to what i feel inside and go with my gut.. so for all of you who are wondering... when i am lynched tomorow or in the nect few weeks you will then find out who i am!!! a mouse stuck in your window? btw using the preview window makes you much more readable. It appears you are typing with emotion (not a bad thing) If you wish to give up don't say you weren't warned That being said, I am not on a bandwagon my reasons are posted. IF you can address them I may reconsider MY vote
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Post by CatInASuit on May 5, 2011 5:44:53 GMT -5
Ok, catching up. @ Suburban Plankton: I'm still not actually sure why you are voting for BillMc because his statement is more likely to give a false negative. If he is Town, but is around for those days it will come back as false and so will be labelled a liar. It will only be true if both conditions are met. If anything, he has added an extra condition that he has to fulfill to not be shown as a liar. @ HonestMoley: Why didn't you wait until tomorrow when, as you suggest, the fact that you had not picked up a final vote but had not posted would have been obvious? Why would Sister Coyote effectively change your role to allow you to post, when you claim that your role means you cannot post unless in answer. @ ace903. Simple question are you town or not town? @ septimus: You say you are a playing card, but for some reason, don't mention clubs as a possible suit? Any reason? @ septimusWe're three days into the Day and I see no lynch case I'm ready to support. In prior games, someone (e.g. Pleonast) essentially volunteered to be Lynched Day 1, but Pleonast isn't even in this game. But by this post, you claim something remarkably similar to the vanilla template, effectively claiming vanilla as Pleonast does. Doesn't that mean you have just nominated yourself as a lynch victim for the Day? @ honestmoley: I know this is humour, but this post does feel ever so slightly weird. Why not just post the link? I know it's a joke, but is it also a warning to someone you think is innocent but is looking suspicious? Or a warning to someone you know is guilty but don't want to be caught out? Or am I going into this far too much? You're over thinking it. However, archangel was someone who pinged me in the way they said they were town and I do have minor suspicions in that direction.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 5, 2011 6:08:28 GMT -5
Statements of Townieness:
CIAS: #58 - $Alignment = "Town" guiri: #59 - $Alignment = "Town" metallicsquink: #61 - I am town. Special Ed: #62 - My alignment is Town. meeko: #64 - I am town. fluiddruid: #65 - My alignment is Town. archangel: #66 - My alignment is also Town. JustBeingGinger: #67 - My alignment is Town BillMc: #68 - My alignment is Town and I'll be away wed+thu gnarlycharlie: #69 - i am TOWN and i hope there really is a LIE DETECTOR. lightfoot: #70 - My alignment is Town.
<----------------------------------#71, ace903 declines
septimus: #74 - 1. I am Town. dirx: #76 - I am Town. suburban plankton: #78 - I'm Scum suburban plankton: #82 - I'm Town. gnarlycharlie: #90 -I AM TOWN. colby11: #101 - Because I didn't do this yet, I am 100% not scum or third party... (aka I'm Town) CIAS: #104 - Oh and for the record. I am Town. guiri: #106 - I am Town. archangel: #114 - I am town. storyteller: #116 - I am Town. rysto: #147 - Also, I am Town. septimus: #154 - I am Town. honest moley: #163 - My alignment is TOWN. I am not aligned with the scum, nor am I a third-party or PFK. MHaye: #170 - I am Town.
Missing: Captain Pinkies ace903 paranoia
Something else curious about the above.
@septimus - why did you state twice that you are town? #74 and #154
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Post by ace093 on May 5, 2011 6:55:55 GMT -5
OOG@ Yes i came home from work and had a mouse stuck in my basement window took me a long time to get him out ... i hate mice....
I dont want to get lynched so i will admit my role yes i am a member of the town. I hope the lie detector if it is here will admit my truths .
This is only my 3rd time playing 1st two times i was scum and was so thankful not to have a scum role this time around.... not sure how to play and act as a townie. guess ill learn as i go along...
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Post by special on May 5, 2011 8:15:07 GMT -5
@ace
You are the lynch leader, by a significant amount actually.
There are less than 36 hours remaining in the Day.
Here, it is generally customary to fully claim your role (usually with your role PM quoted) before you go to the gallows. It helps us decide if we really wish to lynch you. It also allows us to better understand the game as we continue on.
I'm not demanding that you full claim, and wouldn't suggest it quite yet. I just wanted you to be aware of how the game is played here and why.
Others should be able to confirm that what I'm telling you is accurate.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 5, 2011 9:19:28 GMT -5
@ Special Ed - you're being nice to the newbie, are you feeling alright. @ ace903 - Special Ed is accurate in the way we play.
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Post by Archangel on May 5, 2011 9:31:23 GMT -5
@ Moley So, Moley, could you please explain to me your ideas on any of the posts in the game so far? Why thank you kindly, and I'll be glad to. If you don't mind, I'll leave the rest of your questions for later on. ;D However, I'm no longer especially suspicious of Storyteller at this time because his questioning of me seemed genuine. Hi Moley...I'm not quite understanding your reason for your vote on me. It's because Catinasuit "warned" me and you think that means he's my scum buddy?
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Post by CatInASuit on May 5, 2011 9:34:09 GMT -5
Umm, Archangel, you might want to redo that post, or at least get the mods to adjust the quotes
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Post by Archangel on May 5, 2011 9:42:50 GMT -5
NETA: NM, Moley. I see your argument now, missed it in the large quote. (Do I need to ask you a direct question in order for you to be able to respond?)
With all due respect to Storyteller, I don't know who's a power player here or not. I've played maybe 5 games on this board and some of you I know well from other places, but for some of you I just vaguely recognize your screen names.
I found his post suspicious, but his questioning of me alleviated my concern. Mainly because if he were scum, it would have been easy to keep pushing the point on me. He didn't have to say that he couldn't fault me for believing scum could talk during the day because it was my past experience, as he was judging that belief based on his past experience.
I think if he were scum he didn't need to say that, he could have just kept suspecting me on the basis of my stating a belief that scum could talk during the day.
You're in the "probably town" column for me because unless you faked your whole posting restriction, which seems unlikely, I don't see the scum motivation for calling attention to a posting restriction that no one else noticed yet.
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Post by Archangel on May 5, 2011 9:43:39 GMT -5
Umm, Archangel, you might want to redo that post, or at least get the mods to adjust the quotes Sigh. Sorry. I am truly hopeless with the controls on this board.
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Post by Archangel on May 5, 2011 9:45:15 GMT -5
Umm, Archangel, you might want to redo that post, or at least get the mods to adjust the quotes Sigh. Sorry. I am truly hopeless with the controls on this board. NETA: The post with the screwed up quotes above, disregard. My only words were the last comment at the end asking Moley why he was voting me. When I reread his post, I understood why and addressed his reasoning in my next post.
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Post by septimus on May 5, 2011 9:48:12 GMT -5
@ septimus: You say you are a playing card, but for some reason, don't mention clubs as a possible suit? Any reason? @ septimusBut by this post, you claim something remarkably similar to the vanilla template, effectively claiming vanilla as Pleonast does. Doesn't that mean you have just nominated yourself as a lynch victim for the Day? I have no idea whether suits are correlated with alignment, or any such. I suggested that sharing such info might be fruitful, and started the discussion with a (very) partial claim. Restricting my suit to one of three seemed almost the minimal info I could offer to begin such a dialog. What suit are you? You seem to imply that you think (or think I think) that playing card == vanilla. This tells us more about you than me; three possibilities for you are: - Vanilla Town playing card;
- Power Town non-card; or
- Scum probing to determine the name/power relationship of Townies.
@ septimus - why did you state twice that you are town? #74 and #154 Are you skimming? I explained this before the second post. There'd been discussion that certain compound sentences (or even message excerpts) could not be successfully submitted to lie detection. I wanted to leave no possible ambiguity.
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Post by Archangel on May 5, 2011 9:54:15 GMT -5
CatInASuit: I find it interesting that you don't address Moley's comment about your comment to me that "skimming is a scum tell." I took the comment as a joke, but Moley thinks it's possible we're scum buddies and you were warning me. I don't know what your alignment is but whatever it is, you know we're not scum buddies. So not correcting that suspicion is highly suspicious to me.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 5, 2011 10:08:45 GMT -5
No coffee vote count
ace093 (7,7): Special Ed [80], gnarlycharlie [97], storyteller0910 [115], metallicsquink [127], Archangel [144], fluiddruid [145], LightFoot [173] BillMc (1,1): Suburban Plankton [93] colby11 (1,1): CatInaSuit [110] Archangel (1,1): Honest Moley [179] CatInaSuit (0,1): colby11 [102,168] Fluiddruid (0,1): JustBeingGinger [153,160] storyteller0910 (0,1): Archangel [129, 144] Suburban Plankton (0,1): metallicsquink [111,127] gnarlycharlie (0,1): Suburban Plankton [79,93]
With these votes, ace093 will be lynched.
Breakdown: person with votes (number of votes, max number of votes): person voting for [post voted in, post unvoted]
In the event of a tie, the player who was voted for first during the Day (even if that vote has subsequently been removed) will be marked with an asterisk.
ToDay will end in approximately 34 hours.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 5, 2011 10:08:51 GMT -5
I have no idea whether suits are correlated with alignment, or any such. I suggested that sharing such info might be fruitful, and started the discussion with a (very) partial claim. Restricting my suit to one of three seemed almost the minimal info I could offer to begin such a dialog. What suit are you? You seem to imply that you think (or think I think) that playing card == vanilla. This tells us more about you than me; three possibilities for you are: - Vanilla Town playing card;
- Power Town non-card; or
- Scum probing to determine the name/power relationship of Townies.
That list covers a lot of ground, except perhaps Power role playing cards or vanilla non-cards. Any other combinations you can think of? Your claim matches the vanilla template. Why else do you think I might have referred to it, while commenting on your claim? From your comments, you seem to imply that not only are you a card, but that you do not follow the vanilla template. Feel free to comment. @ septimus - why did you state twice that you are town? #74 and #154 Are you skimming? I explained this before the second post. There'd been discussion that certain compound sentences (or even message excerpts) could not be successfully submitted to lie detection. I wanted to leave no possible ambiguity. Thank you, I did find your comment where you said you would state it unambiguously in a single post. From just looking at the claims alone, it was not obvious.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 5, 2011 10:19:42 GMT -5
CatInASuit: I find it interesting that you don't address Moley's comment about your comment to me that "skimming is a scum tell." I took the comment as a joke, but Moley thinks it's possible we're scum buddies and you were warning me. I don't know what your alignment is but whatever it is, you know we're not scum buddies. So not correcting that suspicion is highly suspicious to me. Ok, this is beginning to make me curious. I did comment on it to HonestMoley in # D1.185. That's the second time you have skim read my posts. Once could be considered unfortunate, twice is getting suspicious. That combined with the "I am also Town" and I think unvote colby11
vote Archangel
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 5, 2011 10:37:35 GMT -5
No coffee vote countace093 (7,7): Special Ed [80], gnarlycharlie [97], storyteller0910 [115], metallicsquink [127], Archangel [144], fluiddruid [145], LightFoot [173] BillMc (1,1): Suburban Plankton [93] colby11 (1,1): CatInaSuit [110] Archangel (1,1): Honest Moley [179] CatInaSuit (1,1): colby11 [102,168]Fluiddruid (0,1): JustBeingGinger [153,160]storyteller0910 (0,1): Archangel [129, 144]Suburban Plankton (0,1): metallicsquink [111,127]gnarlycharlie (0,1): Suburban Plankton [79,93]With these votes, ace093 will be lynched. Breakdown: person with votes (number of votes, max number of votes): person voting for [post voted in, post unvoted] In the event of a tie, the player who was voted for first during the Day (even if that vote has subsequently been removed) will be marked with an asterisk. ToDay will end in approximately 34 hours. I think CatInaSuit should have zero votes.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 5, 2011 10:38:55 GMT -5
You are correct, thank you.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 5, 2011 10:44:51 GMT -5
Revised vote count
Current Vote Count
ace093 (7,7): Special Ed [80], gnarlycharlie [97], storyteller0910 [115], metallicsquink [127], Archangel [144], fluiddruid [145], LightFoot [173] Archangel (2,2): Honest Moley [179], CatInaSuit [199] BillMc (1,1): Suburban Plankton [93] colby11 (0,1): CatInaSuit [110,199] CatInaSuit (0,1): colby11 [102,168] Fluiddruid (0,1): JustBeingGinger [153,160] storyteller0910 (0,1): Archangel [129, 144] Suburban Plankton (0,1): metallicsquink [111,127] gnarlycharlie (0,1): Suburban Plankton [79,93]
With these votes, ace093 will be lynched.
Breakdown: person with votes (number of votes, max number of votes): person voting for [post voted in, post unvoted]
In the event of a tie, the player who was voted for first during the Day (even if that vote has subsequently been removed) will be marked with an asterisk.
Mod needs to never post vote counts before coffee.
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Post by special on May 5, 2011 11:38:02 GMT -5
22 posts: Archangel
20 posts: LightFoot
17 posts: Cat in A Suit
16 posts: Suburban Plankton metallic squink
12 posts: Dirx gnarlycharlie
8 posts: ace093 JustBeingGinger colby11
7 posts: Special Ed septimus Meeko
6 posts: guiri storyteller0910
5 posts: Bill Mc fluiddruid
3 posts: Honest Moley
2 posts: Rysto
1 post: Paranoia Merestil Haye
0 posts: Captain Pinkies
Do I need to say anything?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 5, 2011 11:40:07 GMT -5
@ Suburban Plankton: I'm still not actually sure why you are voting for BillMc because his statement is more likely to give a false negative. If he is Town, but is around for those days it will come back as false and so will be labelled a liar. It will only be true if both conditions are met. If anything, he has added an extra condition that he has to fulfill to not be shown as a liar. The reason I voted for Bill (and gnarlycharlie before him) was because they made compound statements. Yes, Bill's statement could generate a 'false negative' if he posts later today (Thursday). But it could also be a 'cover': suppose he comes back and posts today, so his statement evaluates false. Is his statement false because he wasn't away wednesday and thursday? Or is it false because he's not Town? There's no way to know. Of course, if he doesn't post today, then the second part of his statement is true, and then the fist part can be evaluated on its own. Actually, my vote is still on Bill mainly due to inertia. If ace hadn't come back this morning and grudgingly made a statement about his alignment I would have moved it, based on her continued refusal. But since she has 'come around', I see no reason to vote for her, since I think her initial refusal is more likely to be based on her relative newness to the game than her being Scum. At this point I'm tempted to vote for Captain Pinkies simply for being AWOL. I find my self growing increasingly shot of patience with people who sign up for games and then don't bother to actually play in them. But before I change anything I want to do a reread.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 5, 2011 11:40:47 GMT -5
NETA: I hate it when I find myself agreeing with Ed!
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Post by septimus on May 5, 2011 11:49:09 GMT -5
That's the second time [Archangel] ha skim read my posts. Once could be considered unfortunate, twice is getting suspicious.Skimming a poster twice is a scum tell? OK. But does what goes for the goose also go for the gander? You've already admitted missing my explanation for replicating "I am Town." I'm not sure if the following is "skimming" or just willful misconstruction: You seem to imply that you think (or think I think) that playing card == vanilla. This tells us more about you than me; three possibilities for you are: - Vanilla Town playing card;
- Power Town non-card; or
- Scum probing to determine the name/power relationship of Townies.
That list covers a lot of ground, except perhaps Power role playing cards or vanilla non-cards. Any other combinations you can think of? The point, which surely should have been clear, is that CatInaSuit appears to be neither Power role playing card nor vanilla non-card. Whether you agree with that logic or not, to deduce that was my intent would have taken less time than to fire off your non-sequitur reply. You seem to be firing at random. Maybe that's just your way of hunting scum, but since I'm doubtful Ace is scum, I'm willing to Vote: CatInaSuit
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 5, 2011 11:56:39 GMT -5
Would it provoke useful discussion to talk about revealing our secret names? I'm not afraid to do a partial claim now: I am a playing card. My suit is spades, hearts or diamonds. To answer your question, no. We'll wind up having the same discussion we always have concerning that topic. I'd like to spare the newcomers from having to go through that. Is there a point to your partial claim? Other than the fact that the information you have so altruistically revealed is almost certainly of absolutely no consequence whatsoever? Plankton, I for one am not assuming it's of no consequence - straight away I think it might be a signal to the other playing cards, for example - although for what purpose and what it says about their alignment is something I can only guess at right now. My question though is why you are so certain it's of no consequence? Moley, are you saying that you think septimus' claim might be a signal to other 'playing cards'? I suppose that's possible, but I can't see how that would work, unless there is some reason for 'non-club suit card' to mean something to someone. Since we don't have Masons, Lovers, or Siblings in this game, and there is no Recruitment, I can't think of who septimus would be sending a signal to. My comment on not wanting to discuss a 'name claim' is based on the fact that in a well-designed game, the identities given to the players cannot be of any consequence; if they were, then it would 'break' the game. For example, if all of the 'playing cards' are Vanilla and all of the 'named characters' are Power, then a name claim causes town Powers to either be exposed or to lie, neither of which is desirable at this point. On the other hand, if there is no correlation between names and powers/alignment, then a name claim is irrelevant. There is no 'upside' to it, in my opinion. To put it another way, I think that a name claim, at this point in the game especially, only servers to add 'noise' to the proceedings. It provides ample opportunity for scrutinizing players and judging them based solely on the fact that they have a 'negative' name. This gives Scum extra opportunities to push for the lynch of Townies, and detracts from other more useful topics of discussion.
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Post by septimus on May 5, 2011 12:03:45 GMT -5
NETA: I'd be happy to jump onto a Lynch the Lurker bandwagon if one develops. IIRC, in Halloween Mafia we Lynched Captain Pinkies Day 1 for lurking. He subbed back in and we Lynched his second instantiation Day 2, also for Lurking.
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Post by guiri on May 5, 2011 12:36:10 GMT -5
@ Septimus, do you think Pinkies, or one of the other low posters, is more likely to be scum than your current lynch candidate, CIAS? If so, why not vote him rather than waiting to join a bandwagon?
Was Pinkies scum in the game where you lynched him twice?
This game has a method for encouraging participation, I hope it will have some effect on Pinkies.
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