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Post by Sister Coyote on May 5, 2011 18:50:34 GMT -5
Current Vote Count
ace093 (7,7): Special Ed [80], gnarlycharlie [97], storyteller0910 [115], metallicsquink [127], Archangel [144], fluiddruid [145], LightFoot [173] Archangel (1,2): Honest Moley [179], CatInaSuit [199] BillMc (1,1): Suburban Plankton [93] Captain Pinkies (1,1): ace093 [227] septimus (1,1): guiri [233] guiri (1,1): septimus [234] Paranoia (1,1): JustBeingGinger [237] colby11 (0,1): CatInaSuit [110,199] CatInaSuit (1,1): colby11 [102,168], septimus [206,234] Fluiddruid (0,1): JustBeingGinger [153,160] storyteller0910 (0,1): Archangel [129, 144] Suburban Plankton (0,1): metallicsquink [111,127] gnarlycharlie (0,1): Suburban Plankton [79,93]
With these votes, ace093 will be lynched.
Breakdown: person with votes (number of votes, max number of votes): person voting for [post voted in, post unvoted]
In the event of a tie, the player who was voted for first during the Day (even if that vote has subsequently been removed) will be marked with an asterisk.
ToDay will end in approximately 25 hours 10 minutes
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 5, 2011 19:58:06 GMT -5
I can respond to any post, as long as someone's talking to / about me in it. I wanted to get my post restriction out in the open as soon as possible so that people know exactly what I'm working with here. I don't see any point in hiding it. If there's a long debate about a particular person, for example, I don't want to not be able to get my point across because my name wouldn't be naturally mentioned otherwise. Oh, I will have to go reread what you posted at first, I thought you could only post 3 times toDay, my bad... I mis-understood. or is it... That you can post up to 3 times on your own per day AND respond to posts where your name is mentioned? I will go reread. I've had a first-day exception because in three real-life days, not a single person noticed I was missing. Or cared where I was. I can post three times without having to be addressed or have my name mentioned in thread, for today only. Once that's over, my post restriction is in full effect.
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Post by LightFoot on May 5, 2011 20:29:01 GMT -5
I feel this needs to be said
@ ace This place is not a bunch of bullies, but a non-productive TOWN is as bad as a SCUM . (some of the more 'regular' players get away with it because I guess they do 'play' once the game gets going=if they live )
If you've been reading you can see that.
You have time to change some of the votes on you if you participate . Not alot changes in the last few hours of the Day generally.
Where you've played before, saying you were TOWN was a sure lynch but acting like Town was good. Here what you do speaks volumes. Don't just say "Lets hunt some SCUM" tell us who you think is SCUM and why.
If you are accused of being SCUM you have to show that you are not. One or two sentences that are not 'help' will not 'help' you.
I'd like to see you evolve as a player I think you like the game. I'd hate to lose a TOWN because they were 'afeared'. But if you are SCUM bon voyage.
and I do suggest you read the rules again if you have not today
I am not changing my vote at this time, but I can and will if you start " playing".
If you have a role you do not understand you can PM the Mod with questions- it is permitted
If this post is not addressed by ace093 I have no reason to change my vote.
I know this post is probably not going to help find SCUM but it might prevent the loss of a TOWN player D1
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Post by Rysto on May 5, 2011 21:08:49 GMT -5
Note that I DON'T believe this is the case - in fact, I think that if Ace was scum, and uncertan enough to not want to join the "I am town" lie-detector wagon, she wouldn't have outright refused to post it in full view of all the town, she just wouldn't have posted anything at all until she had advice from the other scum. So, I'm a bit weirded out to see an experienced player make this mistake, just a couple pages after somebody else said the same thing. molefan, there's no guarantee that a hypothetically scum Ace could have gotten advice from other scum before the end of the Day. But for some reason, you have it in your head that she could have, even after story went after Archangel for saying the same. I know that there's been a fair amount of discussion on the value of PIS -- in fact, I think that I I was the original subject of that discussion -- but this is the best I have right now. Vote molefan
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Post by LightFoot on May 5, 2011 21:29:08 GMT -5
I've seen spontaneous sex changes here but that might be my first spontaneous screen name change
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 5, 2011 21:30:43 GMT -5
i agree with Lightfoot. Ace, if there's something you can say in your defense, you should do so. the nearest ones with votes all have 1 vote. voting for Cap isn't enough. i assume you mean Honest Moley. okay, so we have 1 person with 7 seven votes and 7 persons with 1 vote. i find this a bit strange. i thought the right play if you didn't believe that the lynch leader was scum was to look at all you believed was scum and choose the one where your vote would count.
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Post by LightFoot on May 5, 2011 22:14:34 GMT -5
AND the last 10 hours are like the last 2 hours on a FB game.
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Post by Dirx on May 5, 2011 22:30:52 GMT -5
CAIS had only one prior (retracted) vote; guiri had zero; so your paraphrase of my tactics seems ... exaggerated. In my earlier post which led to guiri's vote against me, I actually guesstimated percentages for CAIS's and Pinkie's scumminess, and solicited help on the voting decision. I indicated that CAIS might be the better Lynch candidate but, since no bandwagon was likely to build on him, indicated that I'd move my vote were a bandwagon on Pinkies to develop and make my vote relevant. This seems extremely straightforward to me. If I'm wrong, and it's generally judged scummy reasoning, please explain to me why. Game mechanics mean I can vote only one player even if two seem scummy. Is the suggestion that I should have unvoted CAIS, voted Pinkies, unvoted Pinkies, and then re-voted CAIS to make my suggestion that Pinkies might be scum official? Yeah, the bizarre desire for your vote to be relevant. That's what I was getting at, and I hoped I was wrong. Always vote for whom you think is most scummy. If you think multiple players are equally scummy, then sure, go ahead and put your vote where you feel it will do the most good. But otherwise, I think it's terrible to vote for a second-choice target because you think it will be "more relevant." Votes are records of suspicion, and do no good when they don't actually match your suspicion. Idunno if that's exactly what you're doing here, but the statement I had quoted implied that reasoning, so that's why I brought it up.
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Post by LightFoot on May 5, 2011 22:48:02 GMT -5
D1 votes are rarely relevant UNLESS you are later proven SCUM (and sometimes not even then)
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Post by special on May 5, 2011 23:10:40 GMT -5
Oh, I will have to go reread what you posted at first, I thought you could only post 3 times toDay, my bad... I mis-understood. or is it... That you can post up to 3 times on your own per day AND respond to posts where your name is mentioned? I will go reread. I've had a first-day exception because in three real-life days, not a single person noticed I was missing. Or cared where I was. I can post three times without having to be addressed or have my name mentioned in thread, for today only. Once that's over, my post restriction is in full effect. Can you ask the mod if my post is enough to allow you to respond to anything? If not, I will periodically use your name, Moley, in posts and ask fr your opinion.
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Post by Meeko on May 5, 2011 23:23:49 GMT -5
So the vote leader is Ace based on the following : wow ... even if their is a lie detector or such in the role is it a good idea to state who you are this early in the game??? will it keep you alive longer??? i am just gong to play as usual and not claim who i am. i am just going to keep reading to understand where everyone is coming from i do agree that some of the major roles and the scum need to be found first so the hunt begins and still no one has voted... There is also discussion on Pinkies based on lack of participation. So for me it comes down to one or the other of these. I haven't placed a vote yet. But I see something else: Who are you and why aren't you letting us know where you are??? do you have a scum role to hide or something??? [[This is a cut and paste from Ace. I suck at quoting over here.]] As far as I can tell, Ace is asking for a claim, but not offering one. Vote AceI could offer reasons but I will let Hannibal Suffice : Quid pro quo Clarice. It seems very lopsided for you to ask, and not offer. Pinkies is absent but there is a mechanic in place for that. Unless there is a reason we shouldn't give him benefit of the doubt?
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Post by Dirx on May 5, 2011 23:52:22 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear that she's not asking for a claim, but asking him to show himself and say something. More like "Hey, introduce yourself already."
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Post by Colby11 on May 6, 2011 0:04:20 GMT -5
The whole issue with ace seems to be something big made out of a nonissue for myself. Sure, they didn't claim that they were town, and it could be due to being new, but it could also be a scum trying to pretend to be new. I'm leaning towards the first.
BTW ACE , I asked about the voting, check out night 0 for that conversation.
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Post by Colby11 on May 6, 2011 0:13:05 GMT -5
Answering comments that people have made about myself...
@ Guiri (Post 172)
At the time that I posted my comment in post 77, I was debating about whether I should jump on the bandwagon or not. It seemed like it was a ploy to confuse the Lie Detector about who to test to see who was telling the truth (because in effect, they have probably a 6/22 chance of getting a third party or SCUM[I'm estimating that there are 6, but there could be more or less.])
@ Rysto Well, I was hoping to get Honest Moley to maybe claim one of the roles, actually... Me being naive, I guess.
@ Honest Moley I'm experienced at watching from the sidelines. As gnarlycharlie said, I've been night killed on Night 1 in the 2 games that I have played. Both times, I was Town, and I was the Town Cop in the 2nd game.
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Post by Colby11 on May 6, 2011 0:25:24 GMT -5
@justbeingginger Again, was just trying to get Honest Moley to maybe claim... I feel like I am greatly outclassed... @ septimus You're nothing but a pack of playing cards!
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Post by LightFoot on May 6, 2011 0:28:49 GMT -5
Ed a WWMS "What Would Moley Say" type caveat?
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Post by LightFoot on May 6, 2011 0:30:02 GMT -5
NETA yep I should prbably go to bed now
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Post by Colby11 on May 6, 2011 0:33:59 GMT -5
I am heading off to a graduation and won't be back until after Day 1 is over, so I must cast a vote or not have a vote at all....
Vote: Paranoia
Watching the second game was very eye-opening to me. I think Ginger might be onto something with her vote, so I am going to vote with her. I am also thinking about voting for Captain, but for the time being the final votes should take care of him, if he is scum or third party
I wish everyone the best of luck, and I hope that we don't lynch a town member.
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Post by Colby11 on May 6, 2011 0:35:41 GMT -5
@ Lightfoot
Yep, I should already be in bed now... 12:35 here and I'm exhausted, but figured I should check on the game
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Post by BillMc on May 6, 2011 3:19:46 GMT -5
Bill's statement is also impossible to evaluate before Friday. The Lie Detector role is usually a night action - your comment would seem to imply that you knew it is a Day action -- or were you just trying to start a bandwagon on me since I said I wasn't going to be around? I am Town.
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Post by guiri on May 6, 2011 3:20:27 GMT -5
(a)In that game you voted a player as a prod, maintained the vote after the player responded without giving a reason and then unvoted assuming the player's claim was truthful, I found that suspicious and suspected you were scum. (a) I agree here. When I'm Town, guiri thinks I'm scum. If someone acts suspiciously, there's a decent chance they are scum. Are you saying I shouldn't follow up on my suspicions with a vote because you always act like scum? (b)- made a case and voted CIAS(c)- stated that you would be happy to move your vote to a lurker (d)- stated that you were equally willing to vote any lurker, not just Pinkies(e)- shown that you were reluctant to actually vote a lurker unless someone else started a bandwagon you could jump on (f)- seemed content about lynching a Town Pinkies in a previous game on Day 1 (b) This is scummy why? (c) This is scummy why? (d) False, I think. But even if true, so what? (e) I thought people who voted Nader instead of Gore in 2000 were wrong, no matter how much they liked Nader. Get the point? (f) I don't think I implied the "contentment" you implied I did. And, BTW, I was Town in that game. If you'd said "I think CIAS is scum but I'm also suspicious of Pinkies and would consider moving my vote if there's more support for his lynch", I would not have commented on your post. However you said: NETA: I'd be happy to jump onto a Lynch the Lurker bandwagon if one develops. IIRC, in Halloween Mafia we Lynched Captain Pinkies Day 1 for lurking. He subbed back in and we Lynched his second instantiation Day 2, also for Lurking. Based on this post, you consider your case against CIAS no better than a lynch the lurker vote so I wondered what made you vote him in the first place. A vote just for show? To avoid suspicion? You apparently don't think there's much chance of him being scum as you are just as willing to vote any of the lurkers, not specifically Pinkies. Are you intentionally not trying to find scum toDay? You are aware that your previous lynch the lurker efforts caused a mislynch of a Townie yet you want to do it again in this game? LtL is an easily defensible vote for scum. You are reluctant to place a LtL vote but willing to join a bandwagon if someone else starts, why? An attempt to avoid accountability. How is this relevant? How is this a smudge if I'm voting you? How is this OMGUS if I voted you first? Are you holding a grudge?
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Post by BillMc on May 6, 2011 3:21:23 GMT -5
The Lie Detector is a wonderful thing, capable of finding the difference between truth or lies. Some lesser spotted LDs only uses a snippet of a post to determine its value, whereas the greater spotted LD is only satisfied if a full sentence is used. Of course, if it is the greater spotted variety - then I would be expecting SP to be picking holes in all the alignment statements that are not grammatically sentences.
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Post by BillMc on May 6, 2011 3:24:43 GMT -5
Moley's apparent reprieve on his claimed posting restriction caught my attention - this statement seems odd -- as the rules explicitly state you can post your PM or any correspondence with the Mod - so he required no further permission. His claimed restriction is essentially "Speak when you're spoken to" as the Red Queen said to Alice...interesting is his subsequent comment Some idle speculation here, purely based on knowledge of the books and not on any game-specific knowledge: the Red Queen is an obvious candidate for serial killer / scum Godfather? Let's put it this way, I wouldn't be surprised to see a beheading tonight.
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Post by BillMc on May 6, 2011 3:27:06 GMT -5
Talking of the whole playing card question, can I confirm, BillMC, if the statement about "vanilla playing cards" is idle speculation (like my "red queen" statement)? There seems to be a distinct theme running through the early posts about those playing cards, and I'm curious. Not really...the sample PM states it. You are the $Number of $Suits.You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off. You're Vanilla $Alignment, and have no power other than your vote. (unless you're Scum, of course. Then it's your vote and the ability to Night Kill). IF $Alignment = "Town": You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated. IF $Alignment = "Scum": You win when Scum control the lynch. Since this isn't a Gastard game, the mod supplied sample PM needs to be truthful -- so for any value of $number and any $suit should be Vanilla.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 6, 2011 3:30:17 GMT -5
Note that I DON'T believe this is the case - in fact, I think that if Ace was scum, and uncertan enough to not want to join the "I am town" lie-detector wagon, she wouldn't have outright refused to post it in full view of all the town, she just wouldn't have posted anything at all until she had advice from the other scum. So, I'm a bit weirded out to see an experienced player make this mistake, just a couple pages after somebody else said the same thing. molefan, there's no guarantee that a hypothetically scum Ace could have gotten advice from other scum before the end of the Day. But for some reason, you have it in your head that she could have, even after story went after Archangel for saying the same. I know that there's been a fair amount of discussion on the value of PIS -- in fact, I think that I I was the original subject of that discussion -- but this is the best I have right now. Vote molefanEh? Have you EVER played a game where the scum didn't have the ability to talk shop during the day phase? Don't think I have... Might as well say that the "assumption" that there is at least one scum team is PIS. And you're not addressing my other point, which is that if Ace had seen another scum, any scum, post the words "I am town" at any point, she'd not have any problem posting it herself. TEN people posted before Ace said her thing. It seems improbable to me that Ace, as scum, could see that many people post, very likely including other scum, and decided that this would be a good time to take a stand. Didn't somebody mention that she'd previously been lynched as scum on FB mafia for following the herd, or something? I don't have the quote so correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 6, 2011 3:31:44 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, Ace is asking for a claim, but not offering one. Vote AceI could offer reasons but I will let Hannibal Suffice : Quid pro quo Clarice. It seems very lopsided for you to ask, and not offer. to be fair to Ace, she did say this: I dont want to get lynched so i will admit my role yes i am a member of the town. I hope the lie detector if it is here will admit my truths . it may be too little, too late. she may have to do a full claim now.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 6, 2011 4:06:05 GMT -5
Moley's apparent reprieve on his claimed posting restriction caught my attention - this statement seems odd -- as the rules explicitly state you can post your PM or any correspondence with the Mod - so he required no further permission. His claimed restriction is essentially "Speak when you're spoken to" as the Red Queen said to Alice...interesting is his subsequent comment Some idle speculation here, purely based on knowledge of the books and not on any game-specific knowledge: the Red Queen is an obvious candidate for serial killer / scum Godfather? Let's put it this way, I wouldn't be surprised to see a beheading tonight. Oh, I don't see any harm in admitting that I'm not Alice, and have no knowledge of who the Red Queen is, or even if she's in the game (although it seems to me highly improbable that she wouldn't be, given her status in the books.) I was merely ruminating aloud, so to speak. Also FYI, since a couple of people have mentioned my statement about the mod confirming to me that it was ok to post my role PM: this is how it came about. Sis C. and I were PM'ing about my post restriction and it occurred to me, while writing a PM, that I'd better ask if I could quote it. It was a spur-of-the-moment thing and I didn't think to check the rules instead. Sis C replied and said "You could even quote your whole PM if you wanted".
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 6, 2011 4:22:40 GMT -5
Talking of the whole playing card question, can I confirm, BillMC, if the statement about "vanilla playing cards" is idle speculation (like my "red queen" statement)? There seems to be a distinct theme running through the early posts about those playing cards, and I'm curious. Not really...the sample PM states it. Whoops. *facepalm*.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 6, 2011 4:48:52 GMT -5
Dearest Mod, have any roles or rules been amended, even temporarily, since the start of the game.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 6, 2011 4:58:51 GMT -5
Eh? Have you EVER played a game where the scum didn't have the ability to talk shop during the day phase? Don't think I have... Might as well say that the "assumption" that there is at least one scum team is PIS. Ladies and Gentleman, I give you Pleonast's Conspiracy games where the Wolves can only talk shop at Night, but the Cabal can talk shop any time. An extreme example but appropriate. I have played in and run games where the scum cannot talk during the day. Although it is more common nowadays for the scum to be able to daytalk, it is never a given.
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