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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 26, 2011 13:42:45 GMT -5
So someone has removed gnarlycharly's ability to vote. crap. i'll just revert to my old vote for the record. Unvote Suburban PlanktonVote Honest Moley
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 26, 2011 13:49:29 GMT -5
Right, so, OK.
So either:
1. One player has a variety of vote-related abilities, including the ability to cancel a player's vote by Day and the ability to compel a player's vote (ostensibly) by Night; or
2. There are two players with vote-related powers still active, one who cancels votes by Day and one who compels votes by Night.
In case #1, that's an extraordinarily powerful role to give the Scum; we have not really seen a lot of Town roles with comparable power so far.
In case #2, I think we can be assured that at least one of the roles is Town.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 26, 2011 13:55:15 GMT -5
Actually, upon further review, it is not at all certain, or even likely, that gnarlycharly's vote was cancelled as a Day action, as his vote for Moley was his first vote of toDay and the next official vote count showed his vote as uncounted.
Hrm. Three voting powers in one game (assuming that fluiddruid had a voting power of some sort) seems like a lot. Simple balancing would say: make one Town, one Scum, and one Third Party. Not certain, but worth remembering. I can't see how cancelling charly's vote would be anything but anti-Town, by the way, and would be inclined to vote for the person who did it if I could figure out who it was.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 26, 2011 14:08:40 GMT -5
I've been trying to type this post for the last 4 or 5 hours, but I keep getting interrupted at work. So I'm going to post the 'shorthand' version, which is missing most of the quotes and links to posts that I have been trying to put together, in order that I actually get my thoughts down in the thread. If you want all of the details, I'm afraid you'll have to do your own legwork on this one...
Unvote: Honest Moley Vote: CatInASuit
Day 1 he votes Archangel.
Day 2 he votes Archangel again. Archangel is actually the lynch leader early in the Day and in a close race with Pinkies midway through the Day. But once it becomes apparent that Pinkies is going to swing, he moves his vote over.
On Day 3 he seems to have completely forgotten about Archangel's scumminess, to the point at which he tells us he's not sure one way or the other, but hedges his bets in case "certain people" flip Scum. He doesn't tell us who the "certain people" are, but he makes reference to possible ties between septimus, Suburban Plankton, Meeko, and Archangel, thinking perhaps that the three of us were trying to save Archangel by voting Pinkies on Day 2.
Speaking of septimus, he had told septimus earlier in the Day (Post 70) that "Actually, no I don't find you that scummy", but had apparently reconsidered by Post 158, when he says though he hadn't made any mention of the fact in between.
Day 4, after Meeko had flipped Scum and septimus had picked up several late votes for his vote-switch, he actually gets around to voting septimus, hoping apparently to springboard off the late suspicions on Day 3.
I voted for septimus on Day 3 for what appeared to me to be driving the final nail into Meeko's coffin (thinking at the time that Meeko was Town). By that reasoning, I think it's unlikely that septimus is Scum, but I think CatInASuit definitely is. I'm also leaning toward Archangel being Town, but I don't think it's impossible that CIAS was bussing a teammate early on in the game.
With that being said, I'm going to try to think about gnarlycharlie's inability to vote Today before my lunch break ends.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 26, 2011 14:18:47 GMT -5
Day 1, everyone voted successfully besides Captain Pinkies and Paranoia
Day 2, everyone voted successfully except for fluiddruid
Day 3, everyone voted successfully except for storyteller and Merestil Haye
As far as I can tell, the only vote which did not count before Today was my first vote on Pinkies on Day 2, and that was a result of me violating my voting restriction.
My gut feeling is that this is a one-shot ability; either that or the 'vote silencer' has been pretty unlucky in that he's silenced people who never cast a vote in the first place. Beyond that, I got nuthin'.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 26, 2011 14:30:32 GMT -5
My alignment is also Town. This ones pings me slightly. It may just be me, but it gives a hint of knowledge about the other characters that have already claimed. You cannot say you are also Town unless you know that one of the other people who have claimed Town, are indeed Town. Hmmmmm. Something else from Day 1 which caught my eye was JustBeingGinger's unvote of fluiddruid, or rather the reasoning for it. It is just that in some of your posts you imply that ACE is scum (Slam Dunk) and then in some of your posts, you state that numbers show that we lynch a townie on day one and because it is part of the mechanics it is somewhat acceptable. I have read the post where you state why you think ACE is scum for not going with the "crowds" I understand what you are stating now. You are not necessarily talking about the person being voted for but the people that place their votes there. I have as well been suspicious and placed my vote on someone that voted for town on the first day and in fact voted for them because the fact they voted early on the first day without having any valid reasons. That was my first game I ever played and I have learned since... Therefore: UNvote Fluiddruid After being rebutted by fluiddruid, JBG unvoted fairly quickly, but what caught my eye was "I have as well been suspicious and placed my vote on someone that voted for town on the first day and in fact voted for them because the fact they voted early on the first day without having any valid reasons."Now I could read this as JBG's experience from past games where people voted for a townie on the first day. But I could also read this as JBG repeating the same mistake and so was voting for someone who was voting for town. If that is the case, then JBG knew ace903 was town, ie. JBG is scum.@jbg - care to explain this a little further as to what the correct explanation is. septimus, either its the world's biggest co-incidence or you knew Ed was an investigator.From #D2.62 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So I'm right. Lie Detector could submit your (2) and, given a "False" response, deduce that I'm non-Town and that Ed is Scum or Investigator. Scum wouldn't know whether someone is Town or Third Party, but I can try this: Special Ed is not Scum. Lie Detector will, in fact, get "Unknown" from this, but if they think I'm Scum they can submit it to (partially) confirm their suspicion of me and (in the case I am Scum) also learn Ed's alignment. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Actually, reading #D2.60, #D2.62 and #D2.64 again, it may well be the world's biggest co-incidence. I'm still waiting for an answer to my other point though. Because Ed was the cop? And it was a town role? How would that explain Septimus's alleged slip? But the other simpler explanation is scum cop with details passed out among the other scum. What I find baffling in that your consideration for septimus is that you are only looking for a town reason to explain it. How can you possibly know septimus' alignment?Finally we have this: "Then again, Meeko's voting Colby; maybe I'll vote Fluid. ;D " Ok, if you're scum, you don't specifically point out how you're differentiating your vote from another scum, unless your name is Zuma. This to me is a MASSIVE town (or at least not-scum) tell - I just do not see Septimus making a statement like this if he's scum and knows Meeko is also. It has to be said: "Scum would totally do that" ;D I have to ask Moley, seeing as septimus has claimed never to have never played scum, how on earth do you know how he would play as scum?Bolding and underlining mine in all of these quotes. CIAS, you seem to be of the opinion that Archangel, JustBeingGinger, septimus, and Honest Moley must all be Scum, because they all know what other people's alignments are. How exactly do you know that all of these people know? Are you that good of a player, or do you perhaps already know who the Scum actually are?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 26, 2011 14:39:57 GMT -5
At first glance, I can't see anything jumping out that would explain why gnarlycharlie's vote was silenced Today. On the first 3 Days he cast just a single vote each Day, for ace093, fluiddruid, and Meeko.
Two of those did go on to be lynched and the third was Night-killed, but I can't see any game mechanic hat would have tied charlie's votes and their deaths together here.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 26, 2011 14:55:13 GMT -5
Diplomaticc or blunt? Day 3, everyone voted successfully except for storyteller and Merestil HayeDiplomatic. That turns out not to be the case.Storyteller and I both placed votes for Septimus, as shown in the End of Day vote count.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 26, 2011 15:08:15 GMT -5
Actually, upon further review, it is not at all certain, or even likely, that gnarlycharly's vote was cancelled as a Day action, as his vote for Moley was his first vote of toDay and the next official vote count showed his vote as uncounted. Hrm. Three voting powers in one game (assuming that fluiddruid had a voting power of some sort) seems like a lot. Simple balancing would say: make one Town, one Scum, and one Third Party. Not certain, but worth remembering. I can't see how cancelling charly's vote would be anything but anti-Town, by the way, and would be inclined to vote for the person who did it if I could figure out who it was. I think I should probably say here, for the record if nothing else, that I didn't do it. (Indeed, since my old work schedule [as mentioned in "Arkham"] is in full effect, I couldn't have done it - I can't post from work.) Oh yeah, for the lie-detector (and FTR I freakin' hate that guy): I have not forcibly changed anybody else's vote by any means, including the use of a power role or roles. My immediate official view on this one is that either I have a very good townie friend, or this is a scum power that they're using to make me look bad (well, considering I chainsaw-defended Meeko for most of yesterday, maybe I should say, make me look worse.) I don't have much time now but will try and post something more tomorrow morning if I can. In the meantime my vote still stands, and will continue to do so unless something major changes.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 26, 2011 15:08:17 GMT -5
okay, just because my vote doesn't count, it doesn't mean i can't contribute. i admit i am hopelessly behind with the posts toDay and cannot digest large volumes of posts with the time i've had to allot for the game. so, i will share my gut feelings and perhaps reactions to posts that jump at me.
Archangel - feel she is Town. from what i've seen in a couple of games, she draws suspicion by the way she plays. twice i've seen that happen. she was Town in both. the way she is behaving now isn't far from he behavior in those games.
Bill - closest thing we have to a confirmed Town. his having both Mary Ann and Alice's PMs as well as rooting out Meeko makes me trust him
CatInaSuit - i'm not sure. SP makes an interesting case but i'm not ready to put him as scum.
Guiri - can't say one way or the other since like me he seems to have only a few posts.
Honest Moley - considered him Town earlier but got my goat toDay. wouldn't vote for him if i didn't think he was scum.
JustBeingGinger - has been riding me for my minimal participation as she has seen me more active in other games. leaning towards Town.
Lightfoot - can't get a read. often seems combative and angry but is the way she always seems to play.
Ma'at - voted for Cap and Archangel. leaning towards scum.
Metallic Squink - keeps going after Archangel even if the reasoning seems week. leaning toward scum.
MHaye - like Guiri hasn't been around much for me to get any read.
Rysto - again like Guiri and MHaye not much to go over.
Septimus - leaning towards Town has a confusing playing style. similar behavior in Scooby game and he was Town.
Storyteller - another fairly quiet player toDay. no read yet.
Suburban - leaning toward Town. has been contributing in what i feel is a pro-Town way.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 26, 2011 15:12:08 GMT -5
Diplomaticc or blunt? Day 3, everyone voted successfully except for storyteller and Merestil HayeDiplomatic. That turns out not to be the case.Storyteller and I both placed votes for Septimus, as shown in the End of Day vote count. I stand corrected. Spreadsheet fail
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 26, 2011 15:12:16 GMT -5
Diplomaticc or blunt? Day 3, everyone voted successfully except for storyteller and Merestil HayeDiplomatic. That turns out not to be the case.Storyteller and I both placed votes for Septimus, as shown in the End of Day vote count. based on my notes: it was Cap and Paranoia ( Ma'at) who didn't vote D1. FluidDruid did not vote on D2. everyone voted on D3.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 26, 2011 15:15:15 GMT -5
My immediate official view on this one is that either I have a very good townie friend, or this is a scum power that they're using to make me look bad (well, considering I chainsaw-defended Meeko for most of yesterday, maybe I should say, make me look worse.) Except that this has nothing to do with you at all. It's gnarlycharlie who is the object of the mystery power and not you, as evidenced by the fact that his vote on me did not count, and my vote on you did.
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Post by metallicsquink on May 26, 2011 15:46:11 GMT -5
Actually, upon further review, it is not at all certain, or even likely, that gnarlycharly's vote was cancelled as a Day action, as his vote for Moley was his first vote of toDay and the next official vote count showed his vote as uncounted. Hrm. Three voting powers in one game (assuming that fluiddruid had a voting power of some sort) seems like a lot. Simple balancing would say: make one Town, one Scum, and one Third Party. Not certain, but worth remembering. I can't see how cancelling charly's vote would be anything but anti-Town, by the way, and would be inclined to vote for the person who did it if I could figure out who it was. It's possible that it is the side effect of a Night action. In a prior game, we had a paranoid doc whose protection target could not vote the next Day. That begs the question, though, as to why we haven't seen this before toDay.
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Post by guiri on May 26, 2011 16:09:29 GMT -5
Hrm. Three voting powers in one game (assuming that fluiddruid had a voting power of some sort) seems like a lot. Simple balancing would say: make one Town, one Scum, and one Third Party. Not certain, but worth remembering. I can't see how cancelling charly's vote would be anything but anti-Town, Assuming it is a power controlled by a player, it would not be anti-town if Gnarly is non-Town or if the vote canceler suspects he's non-Town. Although in either case I'd expect the vote canceler to make a case against Gnarly. The only cases against him have been by Archangel (D1), Suburban (D2) and Ginger (D3+D4). would be inclined to vote for the person who did it if I could figure out who it was. Do you consider this power more likely to be in the hands of non-Town than the vote purchasing power where Gnarly would be forced to vote another player against his will at the risk of 2 final votes for non-compliance? He doesn't appear to have suffered any penalty for changing his vote although we don't know if there's anything more to this power.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 26, 2011 17:04:23 GMT -5
Sorry that I have been out of it for the past couple of days. Sinus infections and the drugs that come with it, kick my ass.
I was going to try to read all the posts from the days gone past but there is really too much He said , she said, they did it, they didn't do it, to fully catch up on things.
I have been able to read at least today's posts with Gnarly's vote not counting. It doesn't help that I have never played with politician roles as to understanding the aspects of them all.
If it is a day power, would someone have to say something in the threads or PM the mod during the day for it to work? Will look back through the posts to see if I see anything odd that might of triggered it, like in Colby's case.
I do find Moley's reaction to it odd, it is as if was being almost defensive of the act.
I am taking more cold meds so I can breathe so I may be on later or not.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 26, 2011 18:14:42 GMT -5
My immediate official view on this one is that either I have a very good townie friend, or this is a scum power that they're using to make me look bad (well, considering I chainsaw-defended Meeko for most of yesterday, maybe I should say, make me look worse.) Except that this has nothing to do with you at all. It's gnarlycharlie who is the object of the mystery power and not you, as evidenced by the fact that his vote on me did not count, and my vote on you did. And I was the one he was voting for at the time. Although I was assuming his vote only didn't count now. Reading back, that was maybe a bad assumption. Like I said, I had very little time to get the gist of anything.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 26, 2011 18:35:55 GMT -5
Sorry that I have been out of it for the past couple of days. Sinus infections and the drugs that come with it, kick my ass. I was going to try to read all the posts from the days gone past but there is really too much He said , she said, they did it, they didn't do it, to fully catch up on things. I have been able to read at least today's posts with Gnarly's vote not counting. It doesn't help that I have never played with politician roles as to understanding the aspects of them all. If it is a day power, would someone have to say something in the threads or PM the mod during the day for it to work? Will look back through the posts to see if I see anything odd that might of triggered it, like in Colby's case. I do find Moley's reaction to it odd, it is as if was being almost defensive of the act. I am taking more cold meds so I can breathe so I may be on later or not. Well in all fairness, the following things have happened in quick succession to me: 1) I've investigated a person I initially thought was likely to be scum, only to draw entirely the wrong conclusion and pretty much rule him out of contention. As a result of this, I've done my absolute best to publicly sabotage the lynch of a scummy player. 2) I've published my exact night actions, role PMs, mod PMs and my own comments, verbatim, only to find that people I think are most likely town don't believe them. 3) And if this isn't enough, when somebody tries to vote me, he finds that his vote has been cancelled. I have no certain knowledge who did this or why; just a helluva lot of wild ideas born mostly out of paranoia. To stretch a metaphor, this is like getting out of the frying pan, finding yourself in the fire; and then, just when you think you've got out of the fire, having somebody pick up the frying pan and clobber you with it! BTW #1, I am officially declaring this a Gastard game. There are two things you almost never touch in a mafia game: people's ability to vote, and private communications between mod and players. Both of which seem to be wide open right about now. It's like the game was designed by some bureaucratically-obsessed cousin to the Joker. Sis C, got anything you want to admit? BTW #2, I agree with almost everything that Gnarly wrote, which worries me a great deal if he's scum. Couple of exceptions: I am town, Guiri looks like strong town to me, and I've not got any kind of read on Plankton yet as right now he's practically the only person left whose posts I haven't gone through in detail. I did think CIAS was almost certainly insane town, but I'm reconsidering that one. I'm not declaring him scum by any means, but I don't think he's as safe as I thought he was early on.
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Post by guiri on May 26, 2011 19:05:39 GMT -5
I've taken a look at people who didn't vote Meeko to see their reactions to the cases against him and his being the lynch leader for most of the Day. Moley's explained his rationale for defending Meeko, I question his choice of targets but I don't see scum defending Meeko so desperately.
Metallic did a WoW on Meeko in #44 but made no comment on his D1 or D2 votes, just lack of content. In #74 she was the first to question Bill's vote on Meeko. In #89, and others, she seems convinced that Meeko's vote was actually purchased and discounted the possibility that he was faking it until #178 where Bill gave a reason why Meeko would add the extra sentence to the PM.
Story asks for a claim in #250 and then basically avoids the issue in #255, is unable to analyze Meeko and so analyzes the votes on him instead.
Ma'at stays on the fence: he pokes Meeko in #94, suspects and votes Bill in #103 for his vote on Meeko, unvotes after Bill's claim but votes Archangel in #232 with Meeko as his next strongest candidate, is reminded of D2 Pinkies, asks for a claim in #241, isn't swayed by any other case in #246, finds Meeko's absence odd in #253
Suburban believes Meeko's vote was bought in #27 but realizes that it doesn't make him Town in #125 and doesn't like Bill's vote, still thinks it's weak in #235, in #236 says was suspicious of Meeko but he turned out "not so bad" after a closer look. Voted Archangel.
Rysto doesn't appeared to have made any comment whatsoever about Meeko before D4.
MHaye went from considering a vote on Meeko in #228 to not being so suspicious anymore in #252.
CIAS commented that Meeko's D1 vote on Ace was suspicious in #165.
This hasn't been as enlightening as I hoped. There's no denying that Bill's vote was cryptic and Archangel's looked like a defense of Bill so the reactions to those votes don't tell me that much and, for several of these players it seems the whole case against Meeko was the extra sentence in his PM and not posting enough.
Metallic stands out for her lame WoW. Rysto managed to spend the whole Day without mentioning the lynch leader once- complete avoidance of the issue. As mentioned in an earlier post, Lightfoot stood out for his comments on low posters without including Meeko.
Suburban, Ma'at and CIAS actually expressed some suspicion of Meeko during the Day. I can see the case against Ma'at but don't think it's as strong as Rysto feels. I've had townie vibes from CIAS and not much of a read on Suburban.
Story and MHaye were both late to the game when the lynch was a forgone conclusion so their comments on Meeko don't say much to me.
For now, as it's just past 2am:
Vote Lightfoot
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Post by septimus on May 26, 2011 19:14:32 GMT -5
so, i will share my gut feelings ... For the record, gnarlycharlie's assessments of the players are very close to mine. So much so that I've promoted gnarly himself from Undecided to Probable Town. Septimus - leaning towards Town has a confusing playing style. similar behavior in Scooby game and he was Town. Yes. Unfortunately my confusing style applies to much more than just Mafia games. At least you didn't write "combative and angry" for me, which is often how I come across.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 26, 2011 19:31:36 GMT -5
Sorry that I have been out of it for the past couple of days. Sinus infections and the drugs that come with it, kick my ass. I was going to try to read all the posts from the days gone past but there is really too much He said , she said, they did it, they didn't do it, to fully catch up on things. I have been able to read at least today's posts with Gnarly's vote not counting. It doesn't help that I have never played with politician roles as to understanding the aspects of them all. If it is a day power, would someone have to say something in the threads or PM the mod during the day for it to work? Will look back through the posts to see if I see anything odd that might of triggered it, like in Colby's case. I do find Moley's reaction to it odd, it is as if was being almost defensive of the act. I am taking more cold meds so I can breathe so I may be on later or not. Well in all fairness, the following things have happened in quick succession to me: 1) I've investigated a person I initially thought was likely to be scum, only to draw entirely the wrong conclusion and pretty much rule him out of contention. As a result of this, I've done my absolute best to publicly sabotage the lynch of a scummy player. 2) I've published my exact night actions, role PMs, mod PMs and my own comments, verbatim, only to find that people I think are most likely town don't believe them. 3) And if this isn't enough, when somebody tries to vote me, he finds that his vote has been cancelled. I have no certain knowledge who did this or why; just a helluva lot of wild ideas born mostly out of paranoia. To stretch a metaphor, this is like getting out of the frying pan, finding yourself in the fire; and then, just when you think you've got out of the fire, having somebody pick up the frying pan and clobber you with it! BTW #1, I am officially declaring this a Gastard game. There are two things you almost never touch in a mafia game: people's ability to vote, and private communications between mod and players. Both of which seem to be wide open right about now. It's like the game was designed by some bureaucratically-obsessed cousin to the Joker. Sis C, got anything you want to admit? BTW #2, I agree with almost everything that Gnarly wrote, which worries me a great deal if he's scum. Couple of exceptions: I am town, Guiri looks like strong town to me, and I've not got any kind of read on Plankton yet as right now he's practically the only person left whose posts I haven't gone through in detail. I did think CIAS was almost certainly insane town, but I'm reconsidering that one. I'm not declaring him scum by any means, but I don't think he's as safe as I thought he was early on. and you call me insane town... Thank you for your humor!! Every other post in here is so serious. I know it's a game but still... Maybe it's the cold meds talking now. I agree that Gnarly is looking very townie now. I am going to have to go back and look at others that I suspect.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 26, 2011 19:53:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'll be around for the rest of the Day, so time for some musings. As Story likes to point out, my instincts are often right, but I have challenges in elaborating my arguments. My gut is telling me Squink and Lightfoot are scummy. So I'm going to leave my vote where it is. I also have reason to believe that someone has a day vig power - so possibly the joat or someone else. I think it is highly unlikely that that person would be scum. The reason I think this is due to a comment SisC made in a PM to me So we're currently at 11 v 4 - assuming 5 scum For the sake of argument, lets accept claims at face value for now: On the townside we: - Delayed Vote (Plankton) - Gossip(Moley) - Vanilla(BillMc) - Doc - JOAT - Possible Lie Detector(?) - Possible Day Vig(?) - Politician (? unlikely, but on the off chance) I'm also strongly leaning towards Story and Ma'at being town. And the Scummy scum: - Squink - Lightfoot - Politican - I just can't see it being a Town role With three town claims, there are eight unknown townies and possibly 4 town powers (5 IF the politican is Town)- so scum have a 50/50 chance, or better, of hitting a town power toNight. The Lie Detector, if they exist, would have had 3 tests so far. I would guess they haven't found three scum, but confirming three town would be beneficial. Debatable whether the LD should claim, if they exist. The interesting combination would be if there is a day vig and that the lie detector exists and has found scum I am re-reading back through posts and I came across this from Bill. This is my inexperience in the game and I am brainstorming here... I am guessing that if there was a DAY VIG as Bill suggests, and what if that day vig's target was Gnarlycharlie, would that cause his vote not to count if the order to kill was put in prior to the votes he placed? If I am way off base here, please do not hesitate to say so, I have never played with a vig before.
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Post by LightFoot on May 26, 2011 22:35:05 GMT -5
I wrote this earlier and now I am catching up... I will respond in order (hopefully) to touch on D4.161
@ guiri Just catching up are you?
D1 votes are D1 votes for the most part. I have responded to most of these observations.
I was NOT bandwagoning ace At worst I was meta-gaming . I had recently played a game with her where we were both Scum and her play style was infuriating to me. (I was seeing the same thing and I did think she was SCUM or 3rd Party) My reasons for voting her had nothing to do with the vote count I am not sure I was even aware of the count when I posted my vote.
How the hell did I “help” her vote ( OH you refer to the coaching she got from me and others on how to post it right) ? I gave her some advice that she should play . Not how to.
I did respond to CIaS
I was called out for voting FD when I had said I thought Rysto was acting scummier but but my vote would do no good there.
You are calling me out for NOT bandwagoning Meeko?
Re: the quotes at the bottom of your post. I said what I said. And your point? Not sure what your questions for me this Day are?
I know other stuff has happened this Day I am catching up
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Post by LightFoot on May 26, 2011 23:39:01 GMT -5
Hmm gnarly's vote is nullified.
Do we have yet another manipulator of votes ? Or does the Politician have more than one hat? ( I would wager that they would have to pick one or the other to use each "Day" but this game could go anywhere as I see it.)
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Post by Ma'at on May 27, 2011 1:07:11 GMT -5
Archangel(snipped) The only possible reason for me to have voted Meeko if I'm scum is to get town cred. I did not get town cred by placing a vote on him with no reasoning. Instead, what I got was a bunch of people going after me for voting badly. Which is precisely the reason I did it. I laid out bait, and you jumped on it. (snipped) So now you're saying that you placed a bad vote on purpose? What if (as squink pointed out, i think), Meeko had turned out to be Town? You're willing to sacrifice another town just to see who might pounce on you for a bad vote? Don't you think it's natural for people to get suspicious of you for voting a player and giving no reason for why you think that player deserves a vote? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but not really getting why you're telling us this now, when in post 20 from today you said your vote was primarily to save Bill. It wasn't to save Bill, it was to try to bait scum into voting for you - is that what you're saying? (Your post 156 had me finally possibly putting you in the town camp, because I feel similarly about septimus, but then this post makes me wonder about you yet again...)
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Post by LightFoot on May 27, 2011 1:35:54 GMT -5
I have a few options for OMGUS votes
Yes I did vote Rysto yesterDay for short quips and a promise to post more.
I have seen a more input toDay.
The theory that if Ma'at is Scum I am too could garner an OMGUS
Or I could vote Ma'at myself but if she is lynched it would not matter what she flipped would it?
CIaS WoW's me , didn't bother to wait for my comments b4 voting me And then DID NOT respond to my response OMGUS
ToDay guiri WoW , didn't bother to wait for my comments b4 voting me . (not known if a response is forth and coming). omgus
I think my points against Bill 's claim are valid. no-one else does . Why? I dunno if many even read my posts the responses I get What I see is he didn't even bother to address my querries because no-one else did. (fart in the closet)
Bill's supporters may be left for another day
to shake this out I Vote: BillMc
But it's BILL and Day 4 and he's alive and he found Scum Really? [/little sarcasm]
If Bill is not SCUM he's some third something still in my opinion (has there ever been a game where "others' had an off board?)
There is abit of Day left. My work day will be rockfull. I will get back here if at all possible
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Post by CatInASuit on May 27, 2011 3:54:38 GMT -5
The main reasons I think he's town are: 1. The politician pattern. Pinkies was town (but likely to get lynched), and his vote was bought against me (town likely to get lynched). Now my vote (town likely to get lynched) is bought against Septimus...which leads me to believe he's town that's likely to get lynched. 2. His argument that scum are not the ones making mistakes, scum are the ones being careful with perfect, logical arguments. That's exactly how I see mafia in most cases. 3. Gut feeling. I may suck at finding scum but I'm usually pretty good at identifying town who are getting frustrated. That's the feel I get from him. 4. I don't agree with your argument that him calling Ed a cop was a possible scum slip. I know you say this isn't your only point on him, but this point I don't agree with at all for reasons stated above. 5. I understand that his voting record looks bad and that this is a reasonable cause for voting him. For me personally, it's not enough to sway my mind. 1. I would disagree as my guess is that the politican is town. 2. Scum are supposed to spend more time polishing their posts to try and prevent anything coming out. Doesn't always work. 3. I can't argue with a gut feeling and being honest, its how this game works anyway. 4. Why are you raising this, it's not part of any argument against him, even I said it was more likely coincidence than anything else. 5. So despite his switch for no reason on Day 2 and what appears to be a switch for poor reasons to gain town cred when lynching meeko on D3, its not enough?
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Post by CatInASuit on May 27, 2011 4:04:56 GMT -5
Two things Septimus 1. Where did the case against Rysto go? Had I voted Rysto, I'm absolutely certain you would have asked "Where did the case against Squink go?". My question to you is: Did you have the anti-Septimus boilerplate already typed, just wondering what name to cut-and-paste in? And for the record, Squink and Rysto are not my only Scum suspects. I won't even list the several others now -- we'll have a lot more information tomorrow -- but you are still on the list CIAS; in fact this purposeless anti-septimus post may have moved you to the #2 slot. Certainly not, I was actually looking forward to seeing you make a case against rysto. The fact you appear to have dropped it and gone back to a previous vote (which also looks to protect Archangel...again) is also suspicious. Woot, I'm #2 on a scummy scum's suspicion list. 2. You voted CIAS despite Pinkies silence and Pinkies did not post in between the time you switched you votes to him. Never mind what happened with Pinkies afterwards, its the total lack of justification of your vote switch even before he turned up that is scummy. You've pointed this out, what, 7 times already? Or is it only 6? I've only answered it 4 times so far. Does anyone think that if I constructed a new answer to this question now, over two weeks later, that it would satisfy you? Yes, I know my answers seem weak to you; I've also admitted that 2 or 3 times already. Even if it's true that you think I'm Scum (and I'm beginning to feel you had an exact list of the real Scum on Night Zero), surely you realize there are better Lynch candidates. What I'm afraid of is that we'll nab 2 or 3 relatively obvious Scum but end up in an endgame where one Scum, who's been very clever and bussing his teammates, remains hidden. That's the Scum I'm worried about. We certainly don't have to worry that that final Scum will be septimus -- I'm obviously going to be Lynched real soon now. ;D Actually, you have given me one answer to the question I have asked. "I don't know" - that's it, no justification, nothing, just "I don't know." Ok, so who are the better lynch candidates. You want me to not vote you, go and convince me someone else is scummier. I am always willing to listen to good reason. How about that case against rysto you said you were building? OTOH, I seriously doubt you are going to get lynched today or even soon, you appear to have convinced most people you are town. So why say this?
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Post by CatInASuit on May 27, 2011 4:18:21 GMT -5
The only possible reason for me to have voted Meeko if I'm scum is to get town cred. I did not get town cred by placing a vote on him with no reasoning. Instead, what I got was a bunch of people going after me for voting badly. Which is precisely the reason I did it. I laid out bait, and you jumped on it. Hold one, you voted badly with bad reasoning and then you turn round and say, aha, I voted badly deliberately to try and trap people. Huh. That's a new one on me. You would have got town cred, if you had voted meeko for a good reason. You didn't, but because you didnt get town cred and got people picking over your vote for poor reason, which is precisiely what the town are supposed to do , it was actually a devious plan to get the scum voting for you. Twisted. Finally, statements like "if I'm supposed to ignore lurking, PIS and bad voting I might as well quit mafia" (paraphrase, not exact phrase) reek of scum arguments to me. And, you and I are in a near tie, only people are actually voting for you, while I have only one real vote (yours). The remainder of the voting today will be very interesting. I actually just asked Sister Coyote if I could change my vote, knowing I'd accrue two more final penalty points, but would it still count? After this exchange I'd vote you over Moley. Gee thanks, that's most of my scum hunting techniques rubbished in one sentence. What am I supposed to use, a pointy stick or should I just wait for the power roles to tell me how to vote. Maybe I should just ask a clever confirmed townie to point me in the right direction and hope their instinct is right, every single time.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 27, 2011 4:28:43 GMT -5
Hrm. Three voting powers in one game (assuming that fluiddruid had a voting power of some sort) seems like a lot. Simple balancing would say: make one Town, one Scum, and one Third Party. Not certain, but worth remembering. I can't see how cancelling charly's vote would be anything but anti-Town, by the way, and would be inclined to vote for the person who did it if I could figure out who it was. Looking over it, I would hazard a guess at a vote rigger on each side just for balance. I would agree that someone cancelling out a vote is far more likely to be scum than town with a politician role where a choice has to be made about the votes being bought being town. Having it the other way around, is really balanced against the town. I would be surprised if it was a Day power and given how close things are getting, it would also not surprise me if this power had not been used until now.
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