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Day 1
Jun 28, 2011 23:38:30 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 28, 2011 23:38:30 GMT -5
Also, guiri is, I believe, a he.
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Jun 29, 2011 0:13:03 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jun 29, 2011 0:13:03 GMT -5
Trying to start a convo without ending up the lynchee D1 (it can be a fine line) Don't not talk though, you bring up some very interesting topics, even if I don't agree with everything you say
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Jun 29, 2011 3:07:53 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jun 29, 2011 3:07:53 GMT -5
@ Trepa, I'm here! Yesterday turned out pretty busy for me.
Did you coin the term "rabids" for scum?
The game seems pretty straightforward, no scum powers, no third parties, probably no potatoes (knowing Meeko). The color indicates we're all running, trying to stay out of the reach of the zookeepers and avoid being put into quarantine.
Meeko, outrunning is simply color: the player with the highest number of outrunners is lynched, right? Not the last to be outrun or non-runners.
With the confidence that there's a Doc, no scum strongman, investigator or roleblocker, would it be a good strategy for the Cop to claim and be sure to be protected by a hidden Doc?
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Jun 29, 2011 3:14:56 GMT -5
Post by special on Jun 29, 2011 3:14:56 GMT -5
With the confidence that there's a Doc, no scum strongman, investigator or roleblocker, would it be a good strategy for the Cop to claim and be sure to be protected by a hidden Doc? After reading Night 0 post 21, are you 100% convinced that the Scum have no powers? Maybe I'm just a little gun shy
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Jun 29, 2011 3:17:53 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jun 29, 2011 3:17:53 GMT -5
Without the Mod lying to us, I don't see how else we should interpret: "There are no additional power roles beyond those listed. All of the roles listed are Town."
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Jun 29, 2011 3:23:03 GMT -5
Post by special on Jun 29, 2011 3:23:03 GMT -5
Without the Mod lying to us, I don't see how else we should interpret: "There are no additional power roles beyond those listed. All of the roles listed are Town." You are correct, of course. Unless "power role" is defined as "Town Power role" However, if we are confident, then yes, it makes great sense for the Cop to and for the Vigilante to not shoot at this point.
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Jun 29, 2011 5:56:42 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jun 29, 2011 5:56:42 GMT -5
Without the Mod lying to us, I don't see how else we should interpret: "There are no additional power roles beyond those listed. All of the roles listed are Town." You are correct, of course. Unless "power role" is defined as "Town Power role" However, if we are confident, then yes, it makes great sense for the Cop to and for the Vigilante to not shoot at this point. I think Ed may be a little paranoid at the moment, don't forget that this is Meekos first game and I don't think he would make it too hard to control.
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Jun 29, 2011 6:29:20 GMT -5
Post by fubbleskag on Jun 29, 2011 6:29:20 GMT -5
outrun special ed for being purposely obtuse; either he's doing it to be a dick to meeko, or because he's scum and wants to misrepresent their power - I'm okay with lynching for either reason.
also, I am an elephant - this game's version of a Cop.
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Jun 29, 2011 6:30:50 GMT -5
Post by fubbleskag on Jun 29, 2011 6:30:50 GMT -5
sorry, forgot to bold:
outrun special ed
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Jun 29, 2011 7:14:31 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 29, 2011 7:14:31 GMT -5
I tend to agree that Special Ed is being somewhat harsh on Meeko. He said it was a open setup and that the TOWN are the ones with the roles, yet Ed tends to keep harping on the point that it may not be true. I have also never played a game be it open or closed that we knew how many SCUM there are. This is only my 6th game so I have NOT seen it all... I am not sure it warrants a OUTRUN vote. I don't think ED would be so harsh as a SCUM. He is too smart of a player for that.
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Jun 29, 2011 7:31:45 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jun 29, 2011 7:31:45 GMT -5
Afternoon all, just checking in. Have I missed anything?
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Jun 29, 2011 7:58:56 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 29, 2011 7:58:56 GMT -5
outrun special ed for being purposely obtuse; either he's doing it to be a dick to meeko, or because he's scum and wants to misrepresent their power - I'm okay with lynching for either reason. also, I am an elephant - this game's version of a Cop. You know, I kind of want to hug you a little bit. I was all set to come in here and post that because we know there is no Scum role-blocker, and because we DO have a Vig and don't want him/her to kill the Cop, that the Cop should claim and be protected every Night by the Doc until the Doc is uncovered. I expected to have a big long discussion about this, wasting half or more of day 1. You have short-circuited that whole mess and gotten us right to the place where we ought to be. Well played. So. - I think five Scum fits mathematically, especially with all Vanilla Scum (no Godfather!). - I think guiri, having suggested the Cop-should-claim strategy, gets modest (but only modest!) pro-Town points in my mind for bringing it up. All for now.
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Jun 29, 2011 8:40:15 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jun 29, 2011 8:40:15 GMT -5
Hmm, Schedule for game seems fine once its on track. Given what has been said, I would also expect 5 scum, 10 vanilla, 5 Town power roles. Should give us 5 mislynches to play with and all the cop results are accurate ;D @sis C: You missed "Assume nothing, expect everything", although in this game, it might be a little redundant. @ed - why are you taking Meeko to task for the setup of the game? looks like I did miss something: fubbleskag - if you are claiming what I think you are claiming, I think its the right idea. Does someone want to tell Captain Pinkies we have actually started playing?
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Jun 29, 2011 8:45:25 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jun 29, 2011 8:45:25 GMT -5
@ Trepa, I'm here! Yesterday turned out pretty busy for me. Did you coin the term "rabids" for scum? The game seems pretty straightforward, no scum powers, no third parties, probably no potatoes (knowing Meeko). The color indicates we're all running, trying to stay out of the reach of the zookeepers and avoid being put into quarantine. Meeko, outrunning is simply color: the player with the highest number of outrunners is lynched, right? Not the last to be outrun or non-runners.With the confidence that there's a Doc, no scum strongman, investigator or roleblocker, would it be a good strategy for the Cop to claim and be sure to be protected by a hidden Doc? Rabid == Scum Outrun == Vote Match Pace == Unvote == == Directly equal to* and done for Color purposes only. [*Or it might mean assignment, sorry, My brain melted in JAVA class back in 2005 or so.]
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Jun 29, 2011 8:48:46 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jun 29, 2011 8:48:46 GMT -5
WOOO HOOOO
My first ever
Vote Count
Guiri (1) : Trepa Mayfield Special Ed (1) : Fubbleskag
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Jun 29, 2011 8:54:20 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jun 29, 2011 8:54:20 GMT -5
The game seems pretty straightforward, no scum powers, no third parties, probably no potatoes (knowing Meeko). I debated adding "You also have a potato in your possession, not that you know what to do with it." to a role at random. I did not. But I do have ideas for future games.
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Jun 29, 2011 9:04:55 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jun 29, 2011 9:04:55 GMT -5
My question was intended for Trepa. @ Trepa, I'm here! Yesterday turned out pretty busy for me. Did you coin the term "rabids" for scum? I found the term strange given that based on the color, the rabies virus is dormant in the scum. Trepa mentioned it here: I'd put it at equal odds that there are 4 or 5 rabids out there Snipped, bolding added The term doesn't appear to have been used previously in the game and it wasn't mentioned in my role PM. Did anyone else know that scum were called rabids? For now: Outrun Trepa
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Jun 29, 2011 9:30:05 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jun 29, 2011 9:30:05 GMT -5
Vote Count
Guiri (1) : Trepa Mayfield Special Ed (1) : Fubbleskag Trepa Mayfield (1) : Guiri
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Jun 29, 2011 9:44:02 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jun 29, 2011 9:44:02 GMT -5
Did anyone else know that scum were called rabids? NETA: It would be preferable for fubbleskag to answer this first.
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Jun 29, 2011 9:47:33 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 29, 2011 9:47:33 GMT -5
When Meeko was directly asked about Scum Powers, he responded "No comment" ( Night 0 Post 5). After Ed pressed him on the subject, he replied with " There are no additional power roles beyond those listed. All of the roles listed are Town." ( Night 0 Post 21). I think that means that all of the Scum roles are Vanilla, but I'm not 100% certain of it at this point. Since we do know the Town Powers and we know there are no 3rd Party/PFK roles, any Scum Powers ought to become apparent when they are used, so I'm not sweating the issue Today. I think Ed has been a bit harsh with Meeko concerning the game setup, but I think that's just Ed trying to get as much information as he can; I don't think it's Scummy. If anything it makes me lean slightly Town on him, since the Scum would benefit from as much information being withheld as possible. Regarding guiri's vote on Trepa: I don't agree with guiri's argument at all. It's clear from the color that the Scum were infected with the rabies virus, which is now dormant in them; still, they are indeed 'rabid'. True, the term doesn't appear to have been used before Trepa coined it, but I think that's a pretty weak argument to hang a vote on.
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Jun 29, 2011 11:18:09 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 29, 2011 11:18:09 GMT -5
I'm inclined to agree with my colleague Suburban Plankton with regard to guiri and Trepa. Ed's just being Ed; I don't see anything deliberately obtuse there. Somebody poke the hell out of Pinkies. @sis C: You missed "Assume nothing, expect everything", although in this game, it might be a little redundant. Oh, yeah, that too. I knew there was something.
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Jun 29, 2011 11:23:48 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jun 29, 2011 11:23:48 GMT -5
Another thing that was left ambiguous (I think)--we don't know if the masons can communicate with each other. Masons may only have the “advantage” of knowing each other as Town. (I’ve played where they didn’t have an off board.) I’ve seen where they could talk during the Might only. Or Day only . Or any time they wished. (it depends on the mod’s mood I suppose) The main advantage a Mason has is that they can prevent a misslynch (if they are believed*) So knowing if they can talk to each other doesn’t seem like anything to be concerned about? *that game was something else
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Jun 29, 2011 11:52:23 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jun 29, 2011 11:52:23 GMT -5
Hmm, ~~snip~~ looks like I did miss something: fubbleskag - if you are claiming what I think you are claiming, I think its the right idea. ~snip~ fubbleskag ‘s statement looks pretty straightforward. This comment confuses me
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Jun 29, 2011 11:57:05 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jun 29, 2011 11:57:05 GMT -5
@ Trepa, I'm here! Yesterday turned out pretty busy for me. Did you coin the term "rabids" for scum? Ah. Hello guiri. Nice to see you. Match Speed GuiriYes, I did "coin the term" rabids. However, it was made clear that the scum in this game were rabid, via the Night 0 color: and as a rule, I prefer it when the scum have a game-specific label other than scum. So I called them rabids.
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Jun 29, 2011 12:01:28 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jun 29, 2011 12:01:28 GMT -5
I tend to agree that Special Ed is being somewhat harsh on Meeko. He said it was a open setup and that the TOWN are the ones with the roles, yet Ed tends to keep harping on the point that it may not be true. I have also never played a game be it open or closed that we knew how many SCUM there are. This is only my 6th game so I have NOT seen it all... I am not sure it warrants a OUTRUN vote. I don't think ED would be so harsh as a SCUM. He is too smart of a player for that. I just figured it was Ed being Ed. Ed and Meeko have always had a bit of a feud, IIRC. So knowing if they can talk to each other doesn’t seem like anything to be concerned about? I know, but at the time, there really wasn't much else to discuss.
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Jun 29, 2011 12:13:01 GMT -5
Post by special on Jun 29, 2011 12:13:01 GMT -5
You are correct, of course. Unless "power role" is defined as "Town Power role" However, if we are confident, then yes, it makes great sense for the Cop to and for the Vigilante to not shoot at this point. I think Ed may be a little paranoid at the moment, don't forget that this is Meekos first game and I don't think he would make it too hard to control. Of course I'm paranoid. I've never been able to successfully communicate with Meeko. When we were Masons together, when we were Scum together. When we were Town together. I agree that it seems quite likely that the Scum have no powers, but I'm not 100% convinced. There have been times I was convinced at what Meeko said and turned out to be completely wrong. And, if you'll look, he's actually commenting on my game posts that aren't directed at him. How mant times will players make comments about what a particular mod might or might not do. How many times have players even stated that thought a game was gastard? So, yes, I'm paranpid, but what's odd is that the rest of you aren't!
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Jun 29, 2011 12:14:34 GMT -5
Post by special on Jun 29, 2011 12:14:34 GMT -5
I tend to agree that Special Ed is being somewhat harsh on Meeko. He said it was a open setup and that the TOWN are the ones with the roles, yet Ed tends to keep harping on the point that it may not be true. I have also never played a game be it open or closed that we knew how many SCUM there are. This is only my 6th game so I have NOT seen it all... I am not sure it warrants a OUTRUN vote. I don't think ED would be so harsh as a SCUM. He is too smart of a player for that. If it were an open set-up, we'd know how many Scum there are. This is not an open set-up. In fact, he stated it was open, and then didn't want to comment (at first) on if the listed powers were the only powers. So he was hesitant at that point to admit it's open. And he continues to want to "not comment." It's just odd.
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Jun 29, 2011 12:20:31 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jun 29, 2011 12:20:31 GMT -5
I agree with Trepa's reasoning. If an animal does have rabies, they are called a rabid animal. I don't think that should warrant a vote. Maybe the fact that I live out in the country helps with that reasoning.
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Jun 29, 2011 12:35:04 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jun 29, 2011 12:35:04 GMT -5
Trepa referred to the scum as rabids - a plural noun, not an adjective. It stood out as I'd not seen any previous reference to the scum as "rabids" so was curious why he'd coined the term as it didn't quite fit with my interpretation of the color. MHaye often does the same thing with names for the scum team and I've seen him get into trouble for doing that so I'm open-minded. No reason to vote, just curiosity about his use of the term.
However when the mod apparently confirmed that the in-game term to describe the scum is "rabid" and I'd neither seen this in the opening color nor my role PM, I figured it must have appeared in Trepa's PM and deduced he must be scum. I later realized that our Cop may also have a reference to the scum team and asked Fubbleskag if he'd heard of the term.
Metagamey? Sure. Weak-ish vote reasoning? OK. Good early D1 vote and conversation starter? Yes.
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Jun 29, 2011 12:46:28 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jun 29, 2011 12:46:28 GMT -5
@ Ed and others. I get the impression that Meeko would like be playing the game (Who wouldn’t use a set up that they would like to play ?)- hence the interaction level with players. FWIW
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