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Oct 18, 2011 17:35:43 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 18, 2011 17:35:43 GMT -5
I think paul is being kind of an ass here, but maybe it's just me. If you feel colby is scum vote him, at this late date there is no way to get a paul lynch. I still have not heard the scenarios that make colby calling Ed-Bill make sense. And Bill has not responded to my post about his supposedly throwing colby under the bus with his first post of the day. Which also did not make sense to me. What ever happened to Ed, zuma, moley, peeker, sis, bill? I'm still around. Mostly skimming, but I'll probably re-read shortly. I was hoping to be able to cast a meaningful vote for Drain bead or Ginger. (At least I think it was Ginger) but that doesn't seem likely to be impactful. P.S., impactful isn't a word, is it?
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Oct 18, 2011 17:40:20 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Oct 18, 2011 17:40:20 GMT -5
OK, to be more clear: How exactly did you attempt to throw colby11 under the bus with your first post of "uh?" Was that before or after he stopped beating his wife? a That's why I NETA the theoretically post. Bill himself brought up the issue of bussing a scum buddy with his (Bill's) first post. My question was how did he do that with his first post which consisted entirely of "uh?". That to me was not a bus in any way shape or form. Long story short IMHO, Bill in no way shape or form tried to bus ie get colby11 lynched. Clear now what the question was?
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Oct 18, 2011 17:42:03 GMT -5
Post by Deni on Oct 18, 2011 17:42:03 GMT -5
lets vote for X because he's red lets vote for Y because he's green <major snippage above> Any chance that any of you folks might actually place a vote Today? Or are you just going to talk about them? No hurry, of course...we've got almost 5 hours left... I'd ask the same question to the other 4 people who haven't voted, but I'm not sure they're even still on the planet. LOL - well yes I suppose I could do that... I was pondering some stuff. Bill, your analogy actually made sense to me. Is X red or green - can't be both. DrainBead's vote just rubs me the wrong way. Vote Drainbead
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Oct 18, 2011 17:54:35 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Oct 18, 2011 17:54:35 GMT -5
<major snippage above> Any chance that any of you folks might actually place a vote Today? Or are you just going to talk about them? No hurry, of course...we've got almost 5 hours left... I'd ask the same question to the other 4 people who haven't voted, but I'm not sure they're even still on the planet. LOL - well yes I suppose I could do that... I was pondering some stuff. Bill, your analogy actually made sense to me. Is X red or green - can't be both. DrainBead's vote just rubs me the wrong way. Vote DrainbeadHow do you feel about Y Deni? Or is DrainBead Y?
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Oct 18, 2011 18:03:16 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 18, 2011 18:03:16 GMT -5
Was that before or after he stopped beating his wife? a That's why I NETA the theoretically post. Bill himself brought up the issue of bussing a scum buddy with his (Bill's) first post. My question was how did he do that with his first post which consisted entirely of "uh?". That to me was not a bus in any way shape or form. Long story short IMHO, Bill in no way shape or form tried to bus ie get colby11 lynched. Clear now what the question was? Actually, yes. I understand exactly what you were saying now.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 18, 2011 18:06:38 GMT -5
I think someone's reaction to a slip is a lot more subjective than red and green. We can reasonably disagree on these matters. I've never played with Colby before; perhaps the difference is due to experience that I lack.
Yes, I'm sending this from the side of a pool.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 18, 2011 18:10:59 GMT -5
It really irks me that people are trying to polarize this, as if we HAVE to be on opposite sides to have come up to the conclusions we did. I really don't like the "if A is Town, B must be Scum" logic in general, just because of how often it's wrong, but I especially don't like it here.
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Oct 18, 2011 18:11:52 GMT -5
Post by Deni on Oct 18, 2011 18:11:52 GMT -5
LOL - well yes I suppose I could do that... I was pondering some stuff. Bill, your analogy actually made sense to me. Is X red or green - can't be both. DrainBead's vote just rubs me the wrong way. Vote DrainbeadHow do you feel about Y Deni? Or is DrainBead Y? I tried going with the analogy and I confused myself so I am going with my own thoughts here. Scathach's vote on Colby was based on the fact she thought Colby overreacted to his error and then Drainbead votes for Colby because Colby didn't defend his "idiotic" error. When push came to shove Silver and scathach defended, waived and defended their votes. They really believe Colby did a scum slip, I am undecided in this area. Drainbead's vote and reason makes no sense to me, how does one defend "idiotic". (Using Colby's word so no one thinks I am calling Colby names). As I read through this I realize this makes no sense with Bill's analogy, it obviously just tiggered something off in my head.
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Oct 18, 2011 18:20:35 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Oct 18, 2011 18:20:35 GMT -5
How do you feel about Y Deni? Or is DrainBead Y? I tried going with the analogy and I confused myself so I am going with my own thoughts here. Scathach's vote on Colby was based on the fact she thought Colby overreacted to his error and then Drainbead votes for Colby because Colby didn't defend his "idiotic" error. When push came to shove Silver and scathach defended, waived and defended their votes. They really believe Colby did a scum slip, I am undecided in this area. Drainbead's vote and reason makes no sense to me, how does one defend "idiotic". (Using Colby's word so no one thinks I am calling Colby names). As I read through this I realize this makes no sense with Bill's analogy, it obviously just tiggered something off in my head. Well I can't argue about what's going on in your head, hee
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Oct 18, 2011 18:28:50 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 18, 2011 18:28:50 GMT -5
When push came to shove Silver and scathach defended, waived and defended their votes. They really believe Colby did a scum slip, I am undecided in this area. Not really... I still haven't seen them defend their vote... they both have unvoted to vote for someone else... and only under pressure for that action did they go back to voting for Colby... if it wasn't for Sinjin coming in and telling them to vote for Colby if they thought he was scum, I doubt they would have moved their votes back. Which brings me to a completely different conclusion than you arrived at... you say "They really believe Colby did a scum slip"... but to me it doesn't look like they really believe that as much as they are trying to figure out which action looks least scummy... which in fairness could be a nervous town.... but it could also be scum... either way it's not very helpful to town because it doesn't tell us where they stand with any level of confidence.
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Oct 18, 2011 18:41:44 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 18, 2011 18:41:44 GMT -5
I think someone's reaction to a slip is a lot more subjective than red and green. We can reasonably disagree on these matters. I've never played with Colby before; perhaps the difference is due to experience that I lack. Yes, I'm sending this from the side of a pool. I agree.... however I disagree that it was a slip... which it doesn't seem any of you are understanding... IMO the problem is not that the two of you think it's a slip for different reasons... It's that you insist it was a slip and in and of itself damning enough to warrant a lynch. And the reason I think that is a problem is that only 4 people in this game think it was a genuine scum slip... and out of those 4 you guys don't agree on the reasons why you think it was a scum slip. My point is... Colby calling Ed Bill by mistake is ambiguous enough that it isn't really clear if it was a slip or not... but the conclusion was drawn that it could have been a slip and since then the idea that it was a scum slip has gained traction... at least amongst the four of you.... You guys are all looking at Colby to provide some reason for him to have called Ed Bill... but what is there to say? My grandma sometimes calls me Jason... as far as I know she doesn't even know anyone named Jason.... certainly no one related to us... So why does it happen? Who knows... sometimes she catches it and corrects herself... sometimes she keeps talking like it didn't happen... the point is, you guys seem unable or unwilling to recognize the possibility that it was an innocent mistake... sure it could have been a scum slip.... but it could be nothing... is that in and of itself enough to warrant lynching him? Something that could be an innocent brainfart is worth wasting our lynch on? And if you still think it's a good enough vote for Day 1... but agree that it's not the strongest case ever made.... take a look at the thread... it's what... 10 page long? there is tons of discussion here to analyze and scrutinize...
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Oct 18, 2011 18:49:39 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 18, 2011 18:49:39 GMT -5
Why is everyone so worried about their vote being "impactful" as Ed put it? This is a problem... when people start voting for the person they think is scummiest only amongst the players that are leading the vote count, the votes start to be easily manipulated. If everyone would just stick to voting for the person they think is scummiest, than the person the most people think is scummiest is going to get lynched. When town starts going against that and saying "Well gee, I thought Player D was the scummiest, but Player A and B have the most votes against them.... so I should probably vote for one of them if I want my vote to count.... " that's when we lose peoples' accountability for their vote. What is to stop scum from waiting until a vote or two get placed on two different players and then come in a split up their votes to make it so that there are two apparent lynch leaders? Nothing... half the scum on one and the other half on the other... now it makes everyone who feels as though they have to make an "impactful" vote cast their vote with one side or the other and either way they get a townie lynched instead of voting for the person they thought was scummiest so that we could look back their posts after they flip and know whether or not it was genuine suspicion or some kind of scum posturing.
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Oct 18, 2011 18:55:05 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 18, 2011 18:55:05 GMT -5
Ok, I've read and read and read. Got a LOT to post. Going from page three (I've looked at pages one and two already in a previous post): Plankton votes Sinjin. Sinjin votes Colby. Peek votes Moody. DrainBead votes Colby. I've discussed the first vote. I think Plankton got the wrong end of Sinjin's stick. As for the third: huh, what? first, where the in the world am i waffling about anything. second, really i mean really. you are the second (?) person i think to make the observation on the "slip" timing. yaknow i actually have a job, a family and other shit that i do. and to a great extent i am inclined to give swissncheddar a pass at this point. it just reeks like a newbie fuck up rather than an ah carp experienced screw up. Not much to say on that one except that Peeker's and Moody's argument seems to be a case of different playstyles rather than evidence. As for Colby's "slip", I don't think there's any way to say what was going through his mind but it still seems like something of a ludicrous reason to use for a lynch. The second vote, I don't like. I was leaning town on Sinjin, for reasons already given, until this: The more I think about it the less I like colby's slip. It makes no town sense at the very beginning of the day. I don't get that one at all. It's ONE WORD. How would thinking over it again change things, and how can it possibly make "no" town sense? There's a dozen reasons why someone might mistake someone else's name, regardless of alignment. I'll skip DrainBead's vote on Colby for the moment, since others have discussed it and I don't have too much to add to what they've said. Let's go to this: [/color] for making an easy vote and slathering it in noob sauce. The colby slip strikes me as something that a scum can make a halfway decent justification for and it serves as shielding in case it's a mislynch. Coupled with the noob references, I agree that it's a rather weaksauce vote and something right up a scummy player's alley.[/quote] I don't like this vote, for the same reason that I didn't like Pollux's thoughts earlier on. The bit specifically that I don't like in Inner's statement is "easy vote". At that point all Scat had actually done is made a vote and phrased it in a way that seems to have pinged some people's scumdars. This feels like a smudge. Next thing that happens is Colby and Paul both vote for DrainBead in quick succession (almost within two hours of each other, in fact). Both cite DrainBead's lack of participation and another "easy" vote. I would agree with Paul's point here though: What I do see the supposed slip as being, is an easy excuse for a lame vote and potentially a bandwagon. And I would disagree with DrainBead's point HERE: I should have a bit more time to post today. I need to expand a bit on my drive-by vote. The slip was suspicious, but Colby's reaction to it was what put it over the edge. It basically boiled down to "Aw, shucks, I'm dumb" and seemed more like an admission of guilt. Several hours later we get a vote from Ginger: This post was why I voted colby. I didn't even blink at the first post because for all I knew he knew someone IRL and was just calling him his real name. (Having similar problems with some of peekers posts actually but there you go) But the second post is just such a huge overreaction that I presumed it was some massive scum slip that he'd realised he made. That's why the I guess is in there, it's a reaction to his second post. I don't buy the part about the "I guess" part. I don't call it a HUGE over-reaction either. Vote ScathachPromptly brought into question from a town-looking (to me) reaction from Sis C: Really? Because my first instinct when I've made an innocent slip that makes me look guilty is a lot like colby's was -- the "how stupid am I" and reaction. I need to go back through the Day. I don't agree with Scat at all on the Colby point mentioned above. I don't think it's at all natural for scum to draw attention to a mistake they've previously made by trying to justify it in an over-the-top way. But what's with this point about "I guess"? Both Ginger and Pollux have brought it up, and I still don't read anything into it. Texcat enters and suggests that Ginger might be being protective of Colby. My interpritation of the situation is a little different, but I'll go into that later. Several hours later, Pollux comes in and votes Scathach. The more I think about it, the more this post bugs me. It comes across as hyper-defensive and very OMGUS. It implies "Well, I don't see you making any better cases for me to vote for!" On the other hand, Ginger has definitely been slightly defensive of colby and Billgate. Nergh. Screw it, going with what my gut instinct told me from the beginning. Vote: Scathach [/color][/quote] I hope Pollux isn't town, because I don't see him and I ever agreeing in this game. We obviously think too differently. To him, hyper-defensiveness is a sign of scummery. To me, it's a sign of newbishness, especially in a guy who's made a point of saying he's new here. Next vote is Paul switching to Scathach. These two seem to be developing some serious rivalry here. My feeling is that Paul is feeling smudged by Scat, and Scat is feeling smudged by Paul. (Which doesn't mean either is necessarily town.) Since I see Scat's first vote as indicative of an eager newbie townie as much as an overzealous newbie scum, the point Paul makes that most sticks with me is the points about Ginger. I also feel that Scat's reaction is genuinely frustrated (not that that proves he's town), but I'm worried by the two competing bandwagons here. This isn't a case like when Ace got eight votes in a row while nobody else got more than two in "Wonderland". Here we seem to have two people receiving a lot of votes, and a few other possible contenders in the running for lynch also. Unopposed early lynches normally mean the person being lynched is town. This ain't one of them. Plankton is next: I'm not happy with the bandwagon on scathach. Yes, he made a weak vote. But three other people made the same weak vote; way too much is being read into the specific verbiage he used, which is kind of surprising since the people who didn't like the way scathach phrased his post don't seem to have a problem with colby's slip that started the whole ball rolling. I particularly don't like Paul's vote on scathach. Paul himself stated that the later votes on colby are worse than the early votes, citing that as part of the reason he originally voted for Drain Bead. But once scathach started picking up votes, that opinion seemed to change. His 3 points against scathach ( Post 160) boil down to 1. Your vote sucked (so did everybody else's, as Paul had already pointed out) 2. You overreacted to my posts (I see two whole posts from scathach that are in response to Paul...not quite the gross overexaggeration he makes out) 3. You tell Ginger she's 'on your list' without making a case against her (except that's not quite what scathach actually said) It looks to me like Paul is looking to find someone other than colby to lynch Today, and when an opportunity finally presented itself he was all too happy to go along with it. I don't know if he's trying to save a Scumbuddy, or if he's just trying to buy cred because he knows colby is Town, but it seems like he's quite happy for 'not colby' to be lynched. unvote sinjin vote paulwhoisaghostI strongly agree with most of this, including the bits on Paul's case. The bit I don't necessarily agree with is Paul lynching anyone other than Colby. But I absolutely agree with Plankton's points about Paul's case. Next thing: Silver Jan changes her vote to Scat. (I hate this vote change more if she's town, by the way. If you think somebody is scum, VOTE THEM. There's still plenty time for things to change.) Other than that though, I would really love to know what it is about Colby that she's so certain about, because this reeks of "perfect information syndrome". I absolutely agree with you, I still think Colby is scum but there is no way to lynch him now, 'specially since you changed your vote. I think if you had kept your first vote in place we might have got a scum. I'm really not sure what to do now though. Oh and talking of which, later on... If you feel colby is scum vote him, at this late date there is no way to get a paul lynch. I disagree with this. If you feel that colby is the scummiest scum, you should vote him, yes. However, if you think paul is scummier, then you should vote him even if he doesn't get lynched today. A vote NOT on the lynch leader is NOT a wasted vote; it is evidence of where else Townie (or, for that matter, Scummy) suspicions lie. That said, I don't like either of the cases on the leaders but I need to go back to the rules post and see what happens in the event of a tie. Thank you Sister Coyote. Silver Jan changed her vote later on. Credit where credit is due, but it doesn't change my opinion of the original vote. Ok, the votes from page three onwards, in order, are: Sinjin, by Plankton Colby, by Sinjin Moody, by Peeker Colby, by Drainbead Scat, by Stickler DrainBead, by Colby DrainBead, by Paul Scat, by Ginger Scat, by Pollux Scat, by Paul Scat, by Jan Colby, by Scat Colby, by Jan I think that the scum are most likely defending one of their own, hence the competing bandwagons. Which means that most likely one of Colby, Drainbead and Scat is scum. Of those: - Colby's bandwagon started too early. It's possible that most of the scum were idle, but the timing just seems "off" to me. There was too little opposition to this lynch (and I don't count naysayers such as Peek as "opposition", I mean another another serious lynch target). - Scat's bandwagon started too late. I think that if I'm right about a scum being under pressure, Scat is the scapegoat the scum have set up to protect somebody else. Once again, newbies are the "easy" lynch on this board. Which means that the most likely scenario in my opinion is this: DrainBead is the "scum on the block". Scat isn't scum, his bandwagon was set up in an attempt to throw people off DrainBead's trail. Paul and Colby aren't scum. One or both of Pollux and Ginger is/are scum. On that basis, Unvote: Pollux and Vote: DrainBead.
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Oct 18, 2011 18:59:04 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 18, 2011 18:59:04 GMT -5
Why is everyone so worried about their vote being "impactful" as Ed put it? This is a problem... when people start voting for the person they think is scummiest only amongst the players that are leading the vote count, the votes start to be easily manipulated. If everyone would just stick to voting for the person they think is scummiest, than the person the most people think is scummiest is going to get lynched. When town starts going against that and saying "Well gee, I thought Player D was the scummiest, but Player A and B have the most votes against them.... so I should probably vote for one of them if I want my vote to count.... " that's when we lose peoples' accountability for their vote. What is to stop scum from waiting until a vote or two get placed on two different players and then come in a split up their votes to make it so that there are two apparent lynch leaders? Nothing... half the scum on one and the other half on the other... now it makes everyone who feels as though they have to make an "impactful" vote cast their vote with one side or the other and either way they get a townie lynched instead of voting for the person they thought was scummiest so that we could look back their posts after they flip and know whether or not it was genuine suspicion or some kind of scum posturing. Mostly I do it just to annoy people who are annoyed by it
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Oct 18, 2011 19:00:21 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 18, 2011 19:00:21 GMT -5
hmm, my Bah seems to have gained some traction.
How impactful!
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Oct 18, 2011 19:04:46 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 18, 2011 19:04:46 GMT -5
And I haven't even gone into the question of PFKs / multiple factions. Argh.
Absolutely agree with what Paul said, by the way. There are very few situations where "tactical" voting works out in a game like this. Right at the end of the day, with minutes left, maybe. Otherwise just make your case and place your vote.
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Oct 18, 2011 19:09:22 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Oct 18, 2011 19:09:22 GMT -5
hmm, my Bah seems to have gained some traction. How impactful! only if you're talking anal.
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Oct 18, 2011 19:11:43 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Oct 18, 2011 19:11:43 GMT -5
I've got some catching up to do. I'm here and will attempt to put my thoughts in such an order that they can be tracked
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Oct 18, 2011 19:15:51 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 18, 2011 19:15:51 GMT -5
Moley, I stand by my assertion that scathach's vote is an easy vote because it's the oldest trick in the scum playbook. Find a player who's made some error, dress the mistake up and say ooh, they messed up, they must be scum and hope town takes the bait. If that bothers you, *shrug*.
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Oct 18, 2011 19:16:55 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 18, 2011 19:16:55 GMT -5
@ Honest Moley.... that wasn't SisC... it was Sinjin. SisC might have quoted it.... but it was originally Sinjin that posted "If you feel colby is scum vote him, at this late date there is no way to get a paul lynch."
Which, to me, kinda taints what I would otherwise agree with. I agree that people should vote for the person they think is scum... but if they find someone else scummier after that vote, then they should change their vote... regardless of whether it leads to a lynch or not. Sinjin's post seems skewed away from that line of thinking by the fact that she is voting for Colby... She's encouraging them to vote for Colby strictly because she doesn't think there's enough time to get me lynched? It muddies up their intentions... who do they think is scummiest? We don't know because they are voting for the person they think is the best vote out of the people they think likely to get lynched Today...
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Oct 18, 2011 19:23:01 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 18, 2011 19:23:01 GMT -5
@ Honest Moley.... that wasn't SisC... it was Sinjin. SisC might have quoted it.... but it was originally Sinjin that posted "If you feel colby is scum vote him, at this late date there is no way to get a paul lynch." Which, to me, kinda taints what I would otherwise agree with. I agree that people should vote for the person they think is scum... but if they find someone else scummier after that vote, then they should change their vote... regardless of whether it leads to a lynch or not. Sinjin's post seems skewed away from that line of thinking by the fact that she is voting for Colby... She's encouraging them to vote for Colby strictly because she doesn't think there's enough time to get me lynched? It muddies up their intentions... who do they think is scummiest? We don't know because they are voting for the person they think is the best vote out of the people they think likely to get lynched Today... I wasn't talking about either, maybe I should have made that clearer. I was referring to Silver Jan. (I agreed with Sister Coyote's response). I must have missed that post by Sinjin.
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Oct 18, 2011 19:26:36 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 18, 2011 19:26:36 GMT -5
@ Honest Moley.... that wasn't SisC... it was Sinjin. SisC might have quoted it.... but it was originally Sinjin that posted "If you feel colby is scum vote him, at this late date there is no way to get a paul lynch." Which, to me, kinda taints what I would otherwise agree with. I agree that people should vote for the person they think is scum... but if they find someone else scummier after that vote, then they should change their vote... regardless of whether it leads to a lynch or not. Sinjin's post seems skewed away from that line of thinking by the fact that she is voting for Colby... She's encouraging them to vote for Colby strictly because she doesn't think there's enough time to get me lynched? It muddies up their intentions... who do they think is scummiest? We don't know because they are voting for the person they think is the best vote out of the people they think likely to get lynched Today... I wasn't talking about either, maybe I should have made that clearer. I was referring to Silver Jan. (I agreed with Sister Coyote's response). I must have missed that post by Sinjin. Oh ok... I see what happened there... the quote tags are all messed up in your post.
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Oct 18, 2011 19:42:43 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Oct 18, 2011 19:42:43 GMT -5
I've made comments earlier in game that I didn't buy some of the excuses for colby's comment
On re-read I have not changed my mind.
Bill wasn't 'here' or mentioned b4 the 'incident' The banter on the pro/con sides of every vote on the player is not to be ignored (I think we can learn something there D2)
Someone is not telling the truth (that's a given in this game)
TO ME colby has not assuaged my suspicions (nor have his erstwhile 'defenders')
I don't know for sure who is Scum in this game (If I did I would be one right)
My vote will be placed where I think there be Scum
Vote: colby
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Oct 18, 2011 19:45:50 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 18, 2011 19:45:50 GMT -5
Moley, I stand by my assertion that scathach's vote is an easy vote because it's the oldest trick in the scum playbook. Find a player who's made some error, dress the mistake up and say ooh, they messed up, they must be scum and hope town takes the bait. If that bothers you, *shrug*. Definitely agree on the "trick" but I don't see anything that strongly suggests that that was what Scat was doing. As to your post, "Easy vote" pinged me a bit just because it makes an assumption about Scat's motivations that isn't justified, to me. It goes back to what I was saying earlier about confusing newb tells with scum tells. What annoys me though is that in - I think - two out of the last three games I've played here, the first lynched player has been a newbie townie. It's no wonder there's sometimes a shortage of new blood on this board. Can we not give the newb the benefit of the doubt for once, and assume that they're always going to make mistakes and maybe look suspicious because of it? If he turns out to be scum or PFK then I'll end up eating my words, but c'est la vie.
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Oct 18, 2011 19:46:30 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Oct 18, 2011 19:46:30 GMT -5
@ Honest Moley.... that wasn't SisC... it was Sinjin. SisC might have quoted it.... but it was originally Sinjin that posted "If you feel colby is scum vote him, at this late date there is no way to get a paul lynch." Which, to me, kinda taints what I would otherwise agree with. I agree that people should vote for the person they think is scum... but if they find someone else scummier after that vote, then they should change their vote... regardless of whether it leads to a lynch or not. Sinjin's post seems skewed away from that line of thinking by the fact that she is voting for Colby... She's encouraging them to vote for Colby strictly because she doesn't think there's enough time to get me lynched? It muddies up their intentions... who do they think is scummiest? We don't know because they are voting for the person they think is the best vote out of the people they think likely to get lynched Today... Your comments here are way scummy paul. I encouraged sach to vote colby because her vote on you was pyrrhic. She thought colby was the scummiest (or at least that was what I discerned) but changed her vote to you because of your attacks on her. Her vote on you was obviously not going to lead to a lynch so there was no reason to keep the vote on you. I saw her vote as one that says "look at paul" when I turn up town. Town one off votes at the end of the day help no one. And yes at the end of the day you have to vote for the scummiest person you think you can get lynched. Vote for whoever you think is scummy during the day but at days end vote for the one you think is scummiest that can be actually lynched. Otherwise you vote one off and frequently a townie is lynched. You may or may not agree.
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Day One
Oct 18, 2011 19:48:07 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Oct 18, 2011 19:48:07 GMT -5
Moley, I stand by my assertion that scathach's vote is an easy vote because it's the oldest trick in the scum playbook. Find a player who's made some error, dress the mistake up and say ooh, they messed up, they must be scum and hope town takes the bait. If that bothers you, *shrug*. Although I can agree with this in principal, the knife cuts both ways here. Disregarding said 'slips' can give a Scum a 'live another few days' card (and would have in a few cases) We all should vote who we think is the Scummiest for what ever reasons we can articulate. I don't like the poke and run votes ( don't get me wrong) but if you can make a case - even a D1 weak-ass case- your vote should go where YOU think it belongs
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Day One
Oct 18, 2011 19:50:12 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Oct 18, 2011 19:50:12 GMT -5
Jason are you suggesting colby is suffering from dementia?
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Day One
Oct 18, 2011 19:52:08 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Oct 18, 2011 19:52:08 GMT -5
Unofficial Vote Count
Votes
Colby (5)- sinjin, Drain Bead, Silverjan, Scatcath, Lightfoot Scathach-(4) Inner stickler, JustbeingGinger, Pollux Oil, Paulwhoisaghost Drain Bead- (3)Colby, Deni, Honest Moley Moodymitchy- (1) Peeker Paulwhoisaghost- (1) Suburban Plankton Peeker (1)- Mr. Special Ed Deon- (1) MoodyMitchy
I *THINK* there are about 2 hours left in the Day
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Day One
Oct 18, 2011 19:52:34 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Oct 18, 2011 19:52:34 GMT -5
@ Honest Moley.... that wasn't SisC... it was Sinjin. SisC might have quoted it.... but it was originally Sinjin that posted "If you feel colby is scum vote him, at this late date there is no way to get a paul lynch." Which, to me, kinda taints what I would otherwise agree with. I agree that people should vote for the person they think is scum... but if they find someone else scummier after that vote, then they should change their vote... regardless of whether it leads to a lynch or not. Sinjin's post seems skewed away from that line of thinking by the fact that she is voting for Colby... She's encouraging them to vote for Colby strictly because she doesn't think there's enough time to get me lynched? It muddies up their intentions... who do they think is scummiest? We don't know because they are voting for the person they think is the best vote out of the people they think likely to get lynched Today... Your comments here are way scummy paul. I encouraged sach to vote colby because her vote on you was pyrrhic. She thought colby was the scummiest (or at least that was what I discerned) but changed her vote to you because of your attacks on her. Her vote on you was obviously not going to lead to a lynch so there was no reason to keep the vote on you. I saw her vote as one that says "look at paul" when I turn up town. Town one off votes at the end of the day help no one. And yes at the end of the day you have to vote for the scummiest person you think you can get lynched. Vote for whoever you think is scummy during the day but at days end vote for the one you think is scummiest that can be actually lynched. Otherwise you vote one off and frequently a townie is lynched. You may or may not agree. I for one will disagree with you here. sinjin I don't care for the "pick a wagon" vote style. YMMV I don't know what the vote count is right now and it will not/ should not effect my vote.
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Day One
Oct 18, 2011 19:52:55 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 18, 2011 19:52:55 GMT -5
hmm, my Bah seems to have gained some traction. How impactful! only if you're talking anal. Is there ever a time that I'm not?
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