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Post by Caerie on Dec 9, 2011 21:12:25 GMT -5
What the hell is this? If it was scum, wouldn't it make more sense to lie and say it isn't a one time power? Maybe suggest it can be used like a doctor role? He just told us all he can be lynched. If he was scum, wouldn't it make more sense for him to lie and say he was third party because we'd avoid lynching him til the end? And to suggest it can be used like a doctor role. Something discussed on the Scum Board? I don't think colby not dying in the lynch makes him scum. He might be, but his explanation would be a pretty lame one if he was. It seems more likely to be truthful simply because it's a poor explanation for anything that could be used for manipulation. But, you know, I'd said the same thing about Bill's claim about his gadget when people were accusing him of being scum. Bill, who is now a dead townie.
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Post by LightFoot on Dec 9, 2011 21:15:57 GMT -5
I'm talking about two players that claim town and don't share the same brain saying almost exactly the same thing within an hour
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Post by Caerie on Dec 9, 2011 21:24:50 GMT -5
Um... Read it again. We're not saying the same thing. We're arguing. We're saying similar things because we're responding to one another.
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 10, 2011 1:28:25 GMT -5
Well, since I am going anyways, I'll let you guys have the entire PM to convince you. If that doesn't work, then I guess you need to believe in the power of.. well something besides me.
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Post by moodymitchy on Dec 10, 2011 1:53:41 GMT -5
It seems pretty foolish to vote for colby at this point. We know from Bill (confirmed now to be town) that collars can be deactivated, since detecting that state was all his gadget did. If colby had a gadget that deactivated his collar one time, then...well, that makes sense. It didn't stop the person he was linked to from getting the signal, apparently. How, I ask, is being saved from death a scum tell? That sounds a hell of a lot like a townie oriented gadget to me. colby, can you share greater detail on how your gadget worked? Bolding and re sizing mine... Not to be too picky here but the only part of the bit I've highlighted that we actually know to be true is that BillMc was on the Blue Team. We have to take him at his word that he could detect the condition of collars but , whether that means the power to deactivate a collar exists or not is another matter. I'm not ruling it out due to what BillMc said but, I'm not taking it as an absolute as yet either. It's very early in the morning here and having just taken a look at the PM apparently given to colby11 , I am missing somewhere the point that it states for sure that he and BillMc were linked by the same collar. My understanding of it was that he had to control a set ammount of collars. I assume he sent a PM saying he'd like to control BillMc but to me this PM doesn't even explain why BillMc died instead of him. Interesting that this "gadget" will now be passed on at random. Does that mean that we are possibly 2 Blue Team members down toDay because one of them has now become a survivor. I guess we could also have a Red Team member less IF one of them had it passed onto them. Also what I meant by "bonus" was that IF colby11 was telling the truth and he and BillMc were linked by collar.... Then his lynch toDay would mean that only one player would die... and that's a player that's already admitted that their not on the same side as me. @ Mr Special Ed I realise that you have a whole new playstyle and that's up to you. Makes it hard to get a read on you and all that but, is your vote going to be your sole contribution toDay ?
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 10, 2011 2:01:48 GMT -5
While voting for me seems like a safe place, it's idiotic at best because I'm not in your way, one way or another.
If you are town, then you don't have to eliminate me to get rid of scum (and since there has only been 1 scum lynched, I think looking at scum would be a better way of using your time)
If you are scum, then eliminating me is useless too, simply because I have no power anymore, other than my vote.
I did not know at any point that Bill was linked to me via our collars until the Night 3 color
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 10, 2011 2:09:59 GMT -5
Now, to call out two players (because I'm going to leave you guys with something to chew on, cause I see the Colby lynch mob already ready to kill)
First off is (surprise) Mr. Special Ed. First off, in Day 1- he commented that silverjan was leaking scum, but didn't vote for her until later, when his initial vote was a "let's poke you and see what happens" vote. The second thing is that he has been following Paul's voting lately, and not giving any reason whatsoever.
BTW Vote Mr. Special Ed
Second on my list is Drain Bead. All he has done is vote for Inner Stickler. While that is all good and all, focusing on one player seems like there is something wrong there. Just makes me feel like Drain Bead is just trying to draw for cover.
I may be a survivor, but I'm still going to play until you lynch me toDay. (I hope not, but it sure as hell looks that way)
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 10, 2011 2:14:36 GMT -5
Vote Count (insert joke here)
Colby11 (6)- Mr. Special Ed, PWIAG, moodymitchy, sinjin, scathach,Drain Bead Mr. Special Ed (1)- Colby11
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Dec 10, 2011 2:16:46 GMT -5
While voting for me seems like a safe place, it's idiotic at best because I'm not in your way, one way or another. If you are town, then you don't have to eliminate me to get rid of scum (and since there has only been 1 scum lynched, I think looking at scum would be a better way of using your time) If you are scum, then eliminating me is useless too, simply because I have no power anymore, other than my vote. I did not know at any point that Bill was linked to me via our collars until the Night 3 color Then why did you say that being linked to Bill was a worst case scenario and something that you were afraid of?
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 10, 2011 2:21:33 GMT -5
While voting for me seems like a safe place, it's idiotic at best because I'm not in your way, one way or another. If you are town, then you don't have to eliminate me to get rid of scum (and since there has only been 1 scum lynched, I think looking at scum would be a better way of using your time) If you are scum, then eliminating me is useless too, simply because I have no power anymore, other than my vote. I did not know at any point that Bill was linked to me via our collars until the Night 3 color Then why did you say that being linked to Bill was a worst case scenario and something that you were afraid of? Because I had duplicated his collar.
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Post by moodymitchy on Dec 10, 2011 2:21:45 GMT -5
While voting for me seems like a safe place, it's idiotic at best because I'm not in your way, one way or another. If you are town, then you don't have to eliminate me to get rid of scum (and since there has only been 1 scum lynched, I think looking at scum would be a better way of using your time) If you are scum, then eliminating me is useless too, simply because I have no power anymore, other than my vote. I did not know at any point that Bill was linked to me via our collars until the Night 3 colorWHAT ? You had no idea that you were connected to BillMc until the colour ? Then you make a statement that something shouldn't have happened which quite clearly to me , shows that you knew something was going to happen.. IF you weren't connected in any way, why make such a statement.. Have you not thought that the Red Team might have a gadget that re directs the lynch ? They knew you were getting a lot of heat and were likely going to be lynched at some point so they re direct onto another player they know to be on the Blue Team..
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Post by special on Dec 10, 2011 2:22:47 GMT -5
@ Mr Special Ed I realise that you have a whole new playstyle and that's up to you. Makes it hard to get a read on you and all that but, is your vote going to be your sole contribution toDay ? probably not
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 10, 2011 2:25:33 GMT -5
While voting for me seems like a safe place, it's idiotic at best because I'm not in your way, one way or another. If you are town, then you don't have to eliminate me to get rid of scum (and since there has only been 1 scum lynched, I think looking at scum would be a better way of using your time) If you are scum, then eliminating me is useless too, simply because I have no power anymore, other than my vote. I did not know at any point that Bill was linked to me via our collars until the Night 3 colorWHAT ? You had no idea that you were connected to BillMc until the colour ? Then you make a statement that something shouldn't have happened which quite clearly to me , shows that you knew something was going to happen.. IF you weren't connected in any way, why make such a statement.. What statement did I make that made you think this way?
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 10, 2011 2:31:48 GMT -5
Well, I'm off to catch some sleep... Have fun voting for me... or keeping me around...
Whichever benefits you more
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Post by moodymitchy on Dec 10, 2011 3:22:01 GMT -5
The statement you made Night 3 with regards to saying you'd have done something different....
Now I'll give you that you might have got the RL days mixed up but this comment says to me that you knew something was going to happen...
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 10, 2011 7:38:33 GMT -5
First off, I am a she.
Second, I voted for Mahaloth D1. True, I voted for IS that day too, and have ever since, but that's because I truly believe IS to be Scum, and didn't really have a feel for any of the other bandwagons we've had since. Incidentally, the other lynchees have been Town, so most people should be okay with the fact that I didn't contribute to their untimely demise?
Third, can you tell us why Bill's lynch in place of your own was "the worst possible result"? The reason I bring it up is because to me, it reads like someone who is trying to lie. It doesn't read like a survivor at all. A survivor should be somewhat neutral about who dies.
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 10, 2011 7:39:14 GMT -5
NM, just saw your answer.
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Post by Caerie on Dec 10, 2011 8:50:52 GMT -5
Then why did you say that being linked to Bill was a worst case scenario and something that you were afraid of? Because I had duplicated his collar. You "duplicated" his collar? What does that mean?
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Post by sinjin on Dec 10, 2011 9:30:27 GMT -5
Because I had duplicated his collar. You "duplicated" his collar? What does that mean? Did you even read the role pm colby11 posted?
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Post by Caerie on Dec 10, 2011 9:33:27 GMT -5
I'd somehow managed to skip over it. Clearly I shouldn't be checking this thread before coffee.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 10, 2011 10:00:45 GMT -5
Clearly I shouldn't be checking this thread before coffee.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Dec 10, 2011 21:27:15 GMT -5
I don't buy...
I think he's either scum who completely fabricated his PM and added in some grains of truth... or he's a PFK who altered his PM to make it read like a 3rd party survivor PM.
Either way, I'm content with lynching him. Worst case scenario, he's telling the truth... at least in that situation we didn't lose a townie and all of the confusion and uncertainty surrounding him goes away.
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Post by special on Dec 10, 2011 22:32:40 GMT -5
More contribution to appease Moody Mitchy:
I don't believe colby. Not one little bit.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Dec 11, 2011 1:27:20 GMT -5
Either way, I'm content with lynching him. Worst case scenario, he's telling the truth... at least in that situation we didn't lose a townie and all of the confusion and uncertainty surrounding him goes away. And we've wasted an entire day on a player whose death has no effect on our wincon, not to mention the vote record shows us absolutely nothing other than a rough sketch of when people logged into the site. Vote: sinjin Her daily casehopping looks less like scum hunting and more like opportunistic vote hunting.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Dec 11, 2011 2:49:27 GMT -5
i'm not sure about the case on Colby. he actually strikes me as being truthful. his claim is consistent with a survivor with some power. granted the mod can have any setup he wishes, i'm not familiar with scum who can survive a lynch on their own.
the drawback if he is truthful is that it doesn't further town's wincon.
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 11, 2011 2:52:08 GMT -5
The statement you made Night 3 with regards to saying you'd have done something different.... Now I'll give you that you might have got the RL days mixed up but this comment says to me that you knew something was going to happen... Well, I didn't want to be lynched and allow everyone to find out that I didn't die.
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Post by Colby11 on Dec 11, 2011 2:55:28 GMT -5
Well, glad that there are a few people who do believe me....
Meh... I laid my case.... Feel free to visit them when you guys are looking for lynch candidates
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 11, 2011 8:16:39 GMT -5
I'm voting him because I believe him to be Scum. His statements are self-serving and inconsistent, and the role PM he provided is too detailed and colorful compared to the rest of the game.
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Post by moodymitchy on Dec 11, 2011 9:15:52 GMT -5
I'm interested in the little chat that sinjin and Caerie have been having...
I find it interesting that sinjin is quite happy to accept that Caerie just happened to miss the whole of the claim post by colby11.
Yes I know it happens sometimes but I just feel that some people would have been a little more intense in their questioning of it.
I've no wish for discussion to stop and I do agree with Inner Stickler that it means that discussion may be somewhat quite just because we decide that colby11 is a good enough target.
I still hold that as an admitted Non member of the Blue team, I want him gone. I agree that at this moment he doesn't seem to be a threat to the Blue team but there could come a point where he is a threat.
Also, the way I read the PM. He has been able to target each Night. Why is he then, with holding information about who else he has targeted. Or do I have that part wrong ?
Mr Special Ed..... what are your thoughts on this matter ?
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Dec 11, 2011 12:46:00 GMT -5
Either way, I'm content with lynching him. Worst case scenario, he's telling the truth... at least in that situation we didn't lose a townie and all of the confusion and uncertainty surrounding him goes away. And we've wasted an entire day on a player whose death has no effect on our wincon, not to mention the vote record shows us absolutely nothing other than a rough sketch of when people logged into the site. Vote: sinjin [/color] Her daily casehopping looks less like scum hunting and more like opportunistic vote hunting. [/quote] How do you know that?
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