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Post by Archangel on May 31, 2012 18:53:20 GMT -5
Archangel I have to say, I'm very curious as to what issue you see....I hope Idle doesn't pull the game, because as my first game I'm enjoying myself quite a bit, and I want to see the game through, but as an analytical person I'm very curious as to what I've missed. For that reason (the purpose of the game is to attract newbies, and many of you guys are doing a great job and having fun), I'm not making a fuss, but I will explain when the game is over.
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Post by michelehunter on May 31, 2012 20:27:51 GMT -5
Has the crazy kill be confirmed yet
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Post by Meeko on May 31, 2012 20:39:52 GMT -5
When Does Day End?
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Post by Colby11 on May 31, 2012 20:45:05 GMT -5
Unofficial vote count. Done with person, number beside the name is the post number in which they voted.
Meeko (6)- Texcat (49), mahaloth (55), Patricia (128), cassipietz (153), Pleonast (157), amykb (168) Texcat (4)- Guiri (4), Meeko (46), Suits101 (73), septimus (106) Ladyrogue (4)- dizzymrslizzy (26), Silver Jan (42), cathi (110), kagemoto (169) Pleonast (1)- oldred (59) Wombat99 (1)- Susan K. Murphy (101) Dizzymrslizzy (1)- Ladyrogue (112) Gnarlycharlie (1)- Archangel (174)
Meeko- see the first post of toDay. Day ends in roughly 24 hours though.
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Post by oldred on May 31, 2012 20:49:27 GMT -5
I doubt if this helps ,but have been looking through and calculating (roughly) some things. Aprox 43 players left now 11 dead town 4 dead scum & 1 dead PFK ! these players have been MIA on day`4 so far ...... cat in suit,jlrinmke,phoenixphyre,jereijah ,annem,parenoia (all seen in day 3 though ) these players have not been on since day`2....allyjane,annetastic,suburban plankton, Inner stickler not seen since Night 1 ? Roosh ..not seen exept in I need subs thread ? + jmj697mn who was going away till june3. can we dig any info from this ? and can someone make an educated guess of how many numbers of scum/town would be left at this stage ?
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Post by oldred on May 31, 2012 21:04:57 GMT -5
add Total Ulla last in day`3 too. this seems quite a mix of both `new`players and experienced ones that are not having input ,is this usual or should it be suspect ? also I dont see that if roosh has not entered the game why can they not be just scratched ,like mel-dropped out . ?
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Post by LadyRogue-II on May 31, 2012 21:28:49 GMT -5
Vote LadyRogueFirst of all, this is a vote subject to change, but I will probably be unavailable for most of Friday. LadyRogue has posted semi-regularly, but most of the posts are with little substance. She did vote in all 4 Days, although the Day 1 vote was a non-vote because it was too late. However, other than the Day 3 vote for endhoot, all 3 other votes/non-vote in Days 1, 2 and 4 targeted the same player ( Dizzymrslizzy). In fact I think the LadyRogue-Dizzymrslizzy situation is nothing much different from the Pleonast-Meeko situation in Day 1, only that it lasted 4 Days with Day 3 being a break, and that the confrontation was a quieter one with no F-bomb involved. I have a hard time understanding how a player can help Town by so focusing on such confrontation between the 2 players without looking at other players. Furthermore, the reason that LadyRogue voted for Dizzymrslizzy is self-discriminating. Snipped quote: I just find her behavior kind of scummy because of the single-mindedness of her smudging me. Talking about single-minded acts, Dizzymrslizzy at least looked at other players and her Day 2 vote was on lianne and not on LadyRogue. If I have to choose one single-minded player between the 2, the choice is obvious. I voted for her because something didn't set right on day one even though it didn't count due to it posting after Idle's post. If you look at day 2 she followed Lianne's lead on pointing me out as opposed to all the other people who never posted at all and Lianne turned out to be scum. So it makes me wonder since I respond to people and she is still nit-picking about may playing style. Hence my vote for her again.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 31, 2012 21:30:27 GMT -5
Has the crazy kill be confirmed yet I think this is the confirmation here: 3. They've already been posted long ago, back when people said "He just killed a Mason." I saw no need to say it a fourth or fifth time.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 31, 2012 21:36:59 GMT -5
I voted for her because something didn't set right on day one even though it didn't count due to it posting after Idle's post. If you look at day 2 she followed Lianne's lead on pointing me out as opposed to all the other people who never posted at all and Lianne turned out to be scum. So it makes me wonder since I respond to people and she is still nit-picking about may playing style. Hence my vote for her again. What you are missing here is while I may have agreed with scum potentially turning scum aka Lianne accusing you of being scum. I VOTED for Lianne that same day. What you did, pinged me regardless of who pointed it out dear. And once again you skirt around answering my questions. WHY? Don't you understand that it makes you look bad to sit back and be quiet? Prove me wrong and I'll start looking elsewhere again.
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Post by Meeko on May 31, 2012 22:04:22 GMT -5
I don't think I'm the vote leader. I think we are tied.
1.Is there no benefit of the doubt, that you guys would let me live, and get investigated?
2.I probably have scum voting on me.
3.If Pleonast makes it to day 5, my god, please lynch him.
Newer players : It's been Real, It's been Fun, but it hasn't been real fun. : Give a normal sized game a shot, it will be a lot smoother than this, and you have the protocol down pat by now.
That being said, please bring reasons to your next game when you offer votes.
This game has had too many confounding variables. Too much new, not enough old. If you think this game speaks to you, please try it again.
I will not be defending myself beyond this post. I am town. Learn from my death, and mine the vote record on me, and my comments.
I await the forbidden threads, spoiled threads, and after party.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 1, 2012 1:29:11 GMT -5
No Lianne wasn't lynched, she came close but wombat saved her. Are you trying to smudge guiri here?
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 1, 2012 1:42:43 GMT -5
Well it looks as if Idle has confirmed that ascime was a Mason, that's a bit of a relief, not that I wanted ascime dead but it does give Mahaloth and me some credibility.
I see that Meeko has calmed down somewhat, I don't see the case on him either. I also can't see the case on Texcat, if all the votes on her are for a supposed slip that wasn't a slip as quite a few of us understood what she meant then it isn't a case at all.
I would love to see what Archangel has seen but I would hate it to break the game if she told us. If she has looked that closely at the game, why did she think Lianne had been lynched and not NK'd?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2012 1:58:28 GMT -5
Tomorrow, just like it says in the Day's beginning post.
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Post by septimus on Jun 1, 2012 4:00:56 GMT -5
I do not like the case against Lady Rogue. She's being accused of anti-Town play; but even if so, as many experienced players have tried to drill into my own thick skull, anti-Town play is not the same as Scum play. (Indeed Scum players tend to be cautious, so are less likely than Town to behave in an "anti-Town" way.)
Maybe I'm gullible, but Meeko seems sincere; I'm thus happy to leave my vote on texcat.
Would it be good to offer advice to our Detectives on whom to Investigate? Assuming we let Meeko live toDay, would it make sense to Investigate him or Pleonast?
But -- and I hope it won't be considered rude or smudgy to write this -- if I were Detective I might Investigate guiri. He's very clever when Scum and has been posting very cleverly. Yes, he also posts cleverly when Town, but if he is Scum we want to know about it.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 1, 2012 6:25:55 GMT -5
No Lianne wasn't lynched, she came close but wombat saved her. Are you trying to smudge guiri here? No, not at all, I was trying to figure out who guiri1 actually killed. Thank you for straightening that out, my memory was faulty.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 1, 2012 6:27:38 GMT -5
Well it looks as if Idle has confirmed that ascime was a Mason, that's a bit of a relief, not that I wanted ascime dead but it does give Mahaloth and me some credibility. I see that Meeko has calmed down somewhat, I don't see the case on him either. I also can't see the case on Texcat, if all the votes on her are for a supposed slip that wasn't a slip as quite a few of us understood what she meant then it isn't a case at all. I would love to see what Archangel has seen but I would hate it to break the game if she told us. If she has looked that closely at the game, why did she think Lianne had been lynched and not NK'd? I didn't give my standard disclaimer yet this game but I have memory issues due to Lyme disease. This was one of them. As for looking closely at the game, I can't rightly claim that. The broken thing is screaming at me, it's not something I hunted for.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 1, 2012 6:30:42 GMT -5
(The memory issues are the same whether I'm town or scum. So for me personally, screwing up something like that is a null tell.)
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Post by Archangel on Jun 1, 2012 6:42:34 GMT -5
And I'm happy to report that I had the broken thing wrong. I was missing a piece of logic.
It was Idle's response re ascime that was bothering me. He was asked to confirm whether or not ascime was a mason and his response was he didn't bother because people were screaming "you killed a mason" and I thought that was sufficient.
The people that were screaming this were Silverjan and Mahaloth so what was bothering me was that he in effect mod-confirmed the masons. As said in my previous post, I pulled a game of mine for accidentally mod-confirming the masons.
But I was wrong. Because Idle's statement was in effect the reveal for ascime (for the newer players, the reveal is when you find out what someone was when they die) even if it was ambiguous.
And a reveal that ascime is a mason would confirm the other masons unless this is a gastardly game, which it doesn't appear to be.
So, a very big never mind, sorry for the distraction.
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Post by supermel on Jun 1, 2012 7:34:58 GMT -5
I have enough doubt on Meeko I would let him be for now. I see no harm in letting him stay one more day.
Septimus, I see your logic in the anti town vs scum thoughts but I still am not sure how one knows the difference unless just relying on instinct.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 1, 2012 10:19:34 GMT -5
I do not like the case against Lady Rogue. .... Maybe I'm gullible, but Meeko seems sincere; I'm thus happy to leave my vote on texcat. Can you explain more why you are voting for texcat? So far, you've said you like the case that our now-deceased third party made. Is that all you're basing your vote on?
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Post by kagemoto on Jun 1, 2012 10:26:45 GMT -5
I will be unavailable before the end of Day 4, so this is probably my last post toDay. Snipped. I do not like the case against Lady Rogue. She's being accused of anti-Town play; but even if so, as many experienced players have tried to drill into my own thick skull, anti-Town play is not the same as Scum play. (Indeed Scum players tend to be cautious, so are less likely than Town to behave in an "anti-Town" way.) I think the case against LadyRogue is better than the other current vote leaders. First of all, I read what you mean by "Scum play" as the experienced Scum play, since you stated that Scum players are less likely than Town to behave in an "anti-Town" way. However, we have newbies in this game, and they probably have no idea what is anti-Town. Now, what LadyRogue did was a lot different from other normal newbie acts, and I think it is way overly anti-Town that I may call it the "newbie Scum play". I have re-checked LadyRogue's posts. In this game she has made 23 posts (4 in Day 1, 3 in Night 1, 7 in Day 2, 1 in Night 2, 1 in Day 3, and 7 so far in Day 4), so she was not a non-participant. Of the 23 posts, 9 of them were about or responded to dizzymrslizzy, 4 other posts were self-defense about her own late Day 1 vote due to the glitch, 1 other (the Day 3 post) was the endhoot vote, and other 9 posts are essentially with no substance. For a newbie player, focusing one single player as the sole target in 3 of the 4 Days with the 9/23 post rate is very uncommon. I have made the comparison between the Pleonast-Meeko and Dizzymrslizzy-LadyRogue situations. Meeko talked a lot about Pleonast, and he may also reach the rate of 9/23 of his posts, but he is an experienced (and in my opinion, paranoid) player with prior game history and metagaming (and maybe personal issues) involved. This is also not a typical OMGUS situation. It is not uncommon that newbie players may vote and have conversation in the OMGUS way, but all the dizzymrslizzy-LadyRogue conversations started in Day 2, or more precisely, after LadyRogue's late Day 1 vote. For all the other current vote leaders, I have my doubts, but not as big as my current vote. Thus I feel comfortable leaving my vote as is for the rest of the Day 4.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 1, 2012 10:52:30 GMT -5
Has anyone played the card game Mafia? If so is this similar to it? If so I get it, if not well count me among the noobs in the dark lol (my bolding, post is from Night0) I have a theory about LadyRogue. She's not *really* a newbie to Mafia - to the online version, yes, but not to the card game version. The concepts are the same. Maybe she is a detective, investigated dizzymrslizzy, found out she is scum, and is focusing on her for that reason. dizzymrslizzy pinged the heck out of me on Day1 and I voted for her then. I don't have anything else to indicate that she's scum, though. But I'm voting for her because I want feedback on my theory. Vote dizzymrslizzyOf the other vote leaders: I see Meeko as frustrated Town, as was mentioned before. He is begging to be investigated, though, which OTOH might be a good scum ploy. I was also hoping that any remaining Detective might have investigated him and left a breadcrumb, but I don't see any crumbs among the Meeko voters. I see nothing especially scummy about Texcat at the moment. I assume that Hal's investigation target last Night (town) was not any of the vote leaders, or he would reveal that information.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 1, 2012 10:56:01 GMT -5
NETA: my theory could go the other way, too. Dizzy could be the detective and Ladyrogue the scum...
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Post by Mahaloth on Jun 1, 2012 11:08:14 GMT -5
1.Is there no benefit of the doubt, that you guys would let me live, and get investigated? 2.I probably have scum voting on me. 3.If Pleonast makes it to day 5, my god, please lynch him. 4. Newer players : It's been Real, It's been Fun, but it hasn't been real fun. : Give a normal sized game a shot, it will be a lot smoother than this, and you have the protocol down pat by now. I added the "4" 1. Nope, I still say lynch you toDay. But nice try. 2. Of course you probably do, especially if you turn out to be Town. 3. I don't have anything to say about this one. 4. Dude, it has and is kind of fun, at least. Don't be a downer.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 1, 2012 11:24:33 GMT -5
Third, where are all the Night kills coming from? Did the serial killer have 3 kills? That's ridiculous, but since we know scum only have one kill, it's the only possibility. Unless the moderator is violating their own rules again. (Underlining mine) We know nothing of the sort. In fact, I can't imagine how anyone could come to this conclusion. We knew going in that this game was going to have a huge number of players, but that it wasn't going to take an inordinate length of time to play out. That means there would have to be a lot of bodies each night. Did anyone really think this was going to be done in any way other than several scum kills each night? Sure, throw in a couple (or, as it turns out, one) non-scum killers, but the majority are bound to be scum. In fact, that's why I've thought from the beginning that the estimate of 15 scum is way too high -- a game of this magnitude needs a high body count, so few scum with greater killer powers is the only fair way to balance the setup. If scum had only one kill per night, the game would either last for six months (15ish scum) or the scum would likely be grossly outmatched (10ish scum) in the latter stages of the game. No way do the scum have only one kill per night. If I were setting up the game, I'd have done it thusly: --12 scum to start, with three kills per night. --When they're down to eight, they get two kills per night. --When they're down to four, they get one kill per night. No idea if Idle went that route, but it seems a reasonable setup to me.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 1, 2012 12:00:04 GMT -5
From the initial setup of the game:
Underlining added. The moderator told us that a "person", and not "persons", was killed.
Of course, the moderator has since recanted and said that the information is not applicable to the game we're playing. But there is no indication of that in the post, so it was very reasonable to assume that moderator's instructions actually applied to this game.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jun 1, 2012 12:25:57 GMT -5
Ahh, this is frustrating. IRL hasn't allowed me to read this Day only to jump in now and again. But reading takes time and I didn't have that this week.
I saw the last (unofficial) vote count and will not be voting Meeko ATM. As I have said earlier I might vote Meeko as a policy vote but can't see the point at this time in the game. I still very much think he playes more for Meeko and less for his team - but even so thinking he IS on my team I think it would be the wrong way to go.
Also at this point I am VERY confused about who is version 1 and who is version 2 - not making the game any less difficult. And I only have notes from Day 1 and 2 because I've lost the ones from Day 3.
So this time I'm simply voting with mostly gut (Sorry - hard to argue with) and loosely based on early Days pings (will try to back up later):
Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy
I feel horrible with a drive-by vote like this - but due to my subbing in "I" didn't place a vote Day 1. So I don't think it's fair to fail to vote again.
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 1, 2012 13:22:38 GMT -5
Unofficial vote count. Done with person, number beside the name is the post number in which they voted.
Meeko (6)- Texcat (49), mahaloth (55), Patricia (128), cassipietz (153), Pleonast (157), amykb (168) Texcat (4)- Guiri (4), Meeko (46), Suits101 (73), septimus (106) Ladyrogue (4)- dizzymrslizzy (26), Silver Jan (42), cathi (110), kagemoto (169) Dizzymrslizzy (3)- Ladyrogue (112), wombat99 (201), Total Ullz (206) Pleonast (1)- oldred (59) Wombat99 (1)- Susan K. Murphy (101) Gnarlycharlie (1)- Archangel (174)
Day ends in roughly 10 hours, I believe. I can be wrong, so as a reminder, get your votes in!
Edited to correct a mistake I made.
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Post by supermel on Jun 1, 2012 14:24:00 GMT -5
I will be unavailable before the end of Day 4, so this is probably my last post toDay. Snipped. I do not like the case against Lady Rogue. She's being accused of anti-Town play; but even if so, as many experienced players have tried to drill into my own thick skull, anti-Town play is not the same as Scum play. (Indeed Scum players tend to be cautious, so are less likely than Town to behave in an "anti-Town" way.) I think the case against LadyRogue is better than the other current vote leaders. First of all, I read what you mean by "Scum play" as the experienced Scum play, since you stated that Scum players are less likely than Town to behave in an "anti-Town" way. However, we have newbies in this game, and they probably have no idea what is anti-Town. Now, what LadyRogue did was a lot different from other normal newbie acts, and I think it is way overly anti-Town that I may call it the "newbie Scum play". I have re-checked LadyRogue's posts. In this game she has made 23 posts (4 in Day 1, 3 in Night 1, 7 in Day 2, 1 in Night 2, 1 in Day 3, and 7 so far in Day 4), so she was not a non-participant. Of the 23 posts, 9 of them were about or responded to dizzymrslizzy, 4 other posts were self-defense about her own late Day 1 vote due to the glitch, 1 other (the Day 3 post) was the endhoot vote, and other 9 posts are essentially with no substance. For a newbie player, focusing one single player as the sole target in 3 of the 4 Days with the 9/23 post rate is very uncommon. I have made the comparison between the Pleonast-Meeko and Dizzymrslizzy-LadyRogue situations. Meeko talked a lot about Pleonast, and he may also reach the rate of 9/23 of his posts, but he is an experienced (and in my opinion, paranoid) player with prior game history and metagaming (and maybe personal issues) involved. This is also not a typical OMGUS situation. It is not uncommon that newbie players may vote and have conversation in the OMGUS way, but all the dizzymrslizzy-LadyRogue conversations started in Day 2, or more precisely, after LadyRogue's late Day 1 vote. For all the other current vote leaders, I have my doubts, but not as big as my current vote. Thus I feel comfortable leaving my vote as is for the rest of the Day 4. This makes some sense to me, and none of the other people on the board strike me as obvious targets today so my vote is for Ladyrogue
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 1, 2012 14:38:54 GMT -5
Are you referring to septimus #1, the dead Town Doctor? I think Idle Thoughts has confirmed that I'm allowed to reveal those Protectees, even though the information would normally have died with septimus #1. I'll reveal if there seems to be a Town consensus that I should. But I worry about downside with little upside. I'm playing catch-up on Day 4. If you haven't done so, please do.
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