let's examine
amykb , shall we?
D1 votes
Meeko and says:
'Lauriern made a good point. too much throwing on other people = sounds like something a scum would do.'
Not only is she agreeing with a now known scum, she is constantly guilty of 'throwing on other people', many of whom have flipped Town.
Still sound like something scum would do
amykb ?
Amongst all the noob questions we saw from you on D1, you seemed quite confident
Meeko was scum. We have yet to learn his alignment, but he is on my list of people I believe to be Town.
N1,
amykb's first post has this lil tidbit:
'I went with the "xyz made sense with their reasoning, so I'll vote that way, too" for Day One, not realizing that there was any need for me to give a different insight. My apologies if that was a scum thing to do'
followed by more noob questions.
Scum would never apologize for seeming scummy to avoid suspicion would they? (rhetorical question that was)
D2 'throwing on'
dizzy for being sick.
dizzy v1 is now confirmed/dead Town. She was quick to back off after
dizzy set her straight.
Next in D2 she comes at
laxrules (modkilled Town), with the reasoning:
'laxrules017 jumped on that a bit quickly. But the bigger issue, I think, is the cute “samesies” instead of adding on anything else – like laxrules just wanted to blend in and be on “the good team.” Probably a bit novice of an assessment, but given lianne’s suggestion about laxrules knowing a specific scum number, it might add to the case?'
Agreeing with another now known scum
(lianne) .
Again,
amykb is quick to reply and cover herself when questioned by
laxrules.
Wasn't
amykb one of the me too'ers in D1, by her own admittance? But oh so quick to accuse others...who later flip Town
D2 continues with a vote for
mchlle71 (known Town) while simultaneously smudging
wombat v1 (known Town)
Then on to smudging
michelehunter v1 (crazy Town).
Next she posts 'theories' about scum kills, and
guiri busted her on what I believe to be a PIS link to posts here:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=19#93699 and here:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=19#93705Again,
amykb is very quick to reply/cover her tracks.
Her next post she is back to smudging
Meeko D3 she begins with another
wombat v1 (Town) smudge followed by a soft smudge on
kagemoto (Town)
Then comes the double smudge on
Silver Jan (later proved Town Mason) and
Suits (unknown) link to post:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1932&page=5#94188Notice her compliment to
richbeckman , whom I suspect to be scum.
Next post is a vote for
Silver Jan .
Backs off after
Maha claimed Mason as well.
Ends D3 voting
endhoot (detective reveal)
D4 her first post is digging for info on special roles, followed by a bit of scum gloating.
Next she smudges
JBG (now known Town) for extending her vacation. link to post
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1935&page=3#94495Her next post is digging for information here:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1935&page=5#94563 Seems like she really wanted some info about who was being protected,
'should we be interested in who the Doctor protected before dying? As Septimus #2 suggested, I don't know what Town stands to gain from this, other than trying to figure out how many kills the Scums are getting (and would the name(s) of the protected even help in that for sure?). I don't know if it would be helpful to Scums after-the-fact, either, though... unless it just makes them curious as to why certain people were protected. am I missing something?'
So, although she doesn't know what Town stands to gain from the info, she is still asking about it.
I see she says later in D9 this was actually a smudge on michelehunter, and I suppose it could be read that way. But without being more specific, my read of it says she's pushing for answers as well. Seeing as how she didn't mention
michele's name , only quoted her, nor did she outright call her scummy, and her next moves were as follows:
smudge/vote for
Meeko , in aggreement with
Pleo (scum)
Next post contains a soft smudge for
LadyRogue v1 (Town)
I feel like
amykb has scummy reason to want information on who was protected, maybe she thinks someone should be higher priority on scum's NK list? More than once I've seen her express interest over Doc's/protection.
D5 her first post is a soft smudge on
Pleo followed directly by soft smudge on
Colby v1 (Town)
'while I, too, am interested in revisiting Pleonast's possible claim, the idea that Colby would vote so soon into a new Day intrigues me... it strikes me as both a great idea and a very odd ploy.'
Her next post is interesting to me b/c she's not convinced
Meeko is Town, yet she wants to back off him anyhow.
'There goes Meeko again, taking such a strong stance and outright attacking players. While I am not completely believing Meeko is Town at this point, maybe he's not Scum but really just is this rude to people. Similarly, these new points about how he's "not playing fully" make me wonder if he just gets worse or if he'd behave better when not questioned so much. So, I'm going to back off him for toDay and see if I can find another case to ponder instead.'
This was in reply to
Meeko calling
Pleo a dick. Defending your scum buddy
amykb ? link to post for reference:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1952&page=3#94855Lo and behold she soon smudges
Meeko again here:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1952&page=4#94883 Which reads to me as 'hey guys, if he is Town, we can mislynch him anyway and he'll come right back, only scum should worry about being lynched.'
WRONG! Town don't want to mislynch. Period. One mislynch is one less Town that scum have to NK.
Next she asks
Colby v1 a load of questions concerning his motives behind his fake claim the previous Night. link to post:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1952&page=5#94916In her next post she piles on
Colby and then votes him.
Colby v1 had been confirmed by
Hal 4 real life Days prior to her vote. (I believe, open to any corrections)
N6 she comes in to say:
'dang. I missed an entire Night AND Day.'
Only scum should be concerned about missing Night right? I frequently miss Night myself.
A few random thoughts and then she casually apologizes to
colby for voting him after he was confirmed. link to post:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1957&page=1#95210Her next post in N6 was pure self defense when
dizzy suspected her. It was good enough to get most everyone off of her back for the time being.
D7 She rejoices about having another Doc, and calls one death for the Night 'intriguing'. Intriguing to scum I bet for sure! And yes I checked, no one else called it intriguing, but that was the word she chose to 'agree' with
'another busy start to a Day! I agree that it's intriguing only one death occurred in the Night... yay for having another Doctor amongst the group. I was wondering who Hal was going to end up investigating after the several suggestions/theories/demands, and, hopefully this will calm down Meeko, too.'
Call me crazy, but it really seems like she doesn't want
Meeko on her back, possibly because he wouldn't let up on
Pleo . Detective reveal, so her vote went for
Pleo .
N7 'agreed. I look forward to a less intense Meeko, LoL.' still worried about
Meeko kekeke
Wasn't this around the time scum started NKing random players on their doc hunt? D8 left
colby and oldred NK'd. I call that 'intriguing'. Not many had a lean on oldred, he was still kinda under the radar, which is what I suppose made him one of the first random Townies to get NK'd.
D8 Ready for 4 smudges in one paragraph?!
'Problem is, I don't have any other reason to suspect these people... SuburbanPlankton and GnarlyCharlie could be Scum, but both had a big chunk of inactive time, so they wouldn't be as trusted by the Scum, unless they're all completely lost, I would think. CatinaSuit and Archangel are on the same page, which could possibly make them both Scum with a plan, but studying their posts individually flags practically nothing for me.'
All 4 we now know to be Town.
Same post, next paragraph is a smudge on
Inner Stickler and
Total Ullz . (both remain unknown I think)
the next D8 post, in which she voted for
Inner Stickler , was just all over the place:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1964&page=4#95646It would seem she went for the safest wagon, convenient that she didn't vote patricia, and one reason was to not tie the vote...weird!
'I lean slightly toward Patricia over Jlrinmke, but I think that ties things, so I'm going to stick with InnerStickler anyway.'
Seems like she just picked the smallest wagon to jump on in hopes of avoiding being on the one in which a Townie was lynched.
N8 I find this quite an interesting turn of events, almost didn't pay any mind to the N8 post she made:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1973&page=1#95663 , but lookie who her next case was on! (funny lil side note, no one from PR knows who I am keke, only Idle, and even he didn't know til I wrote him on fb to thank him for all he does after starrirain v1 was mislynched. I kinda enjoy that, even if anyone here knows me in PR, they can't use anything they may already know about me against or for me. I feel like I have a whole new secret identity wheee!)
After the comment to her PR friend in N8, we proceed to D9 where
amykb's first post is a rather long(I know, I'm one to talk lol), pretty well made case against
annetastic (Town). Oh I bet it burst her bubble when
Hal came in and confirmed
annetastic , as several became suspicious of
annetastic after
amykb made her case.
amykb then unvotes of course.
Her next post in D9 is a long defense when
CIAS throws suspicion her way for tying the vote between
Meeko and
texcat in D4.
Then, more defense: She REALLY wants
Meeko to be calm with her imho
'I'm not calling you the guilty one NOW; I've said at least twice since Pleo was lynched that I now think you're Town.'
He was crackin me up going off about trees falling in the mafia forest(analogy to the vote count and absent Mod) to which she replies:
'I offered that information simply to disclose that I didn't know I was making "that powerful" of a vote by creating a tie. Yes, I can now see that was ignorant to a certain degree. I can't help that now, and there's no point in hiding it. I appreciate you using the "tree in the woods" analogy - yes, you're right - votes "count" whether they're tallied or not. I will reconsider keeping track myself, despite how many players are in the game.
Now, back to figuring out my own vote for toDay...'
I may go off on a mini tangent on this next one, it's been gnawing at me severely, try to keep up! (accepting after game tips on how to express myself in fewer words)
D9 continues with her smudging
JBG and
gnarly (both Town) and she then votes
gnarly in that same post.
amykb voted for
gnarly June 29th 7:09PM. Also saying:
'I'm still not getting Scum from Gnarly's posts' AND 'if someone experienced comes back to say that Gnarly rocks at this game, I'd be willing to re-think this vote strategy, but time is short and I'm going him over Patricia.'
JBG came in June 29th 7:22 PM to tell her:
'Gnarly is a very good player and I have played with him in most of my games of Mafia.'
She didn't say she would move her vote only IF the person who tells her
gnarly is good doesn't suspect him as well. (JBG had her vote on gnarly at the time)
June 29th 10:31PM (about 3 hours from
amykb's voting post if my math is right)
gnarlycharlie comes in to claim Detective and post his results.
Now, I don't expect anyone to know exactly when they checked in at all times (I know I don't keep track of when I peek in), but this is about the three hour mark she mentioned checking back, and
gnarly DID come in to defend himself, claim, and reveal results.
I realize it was actually three hours and twenty-two minutes from her voting post til
gnarly posted. I have a tendency to round at times, but there's that info for the actual time count. Convenient, no? 22 minutes after she checks he posts and she doesn't get to check back even though she's 'still not getting Scum from Gnarly's posts'?
She returned at 1:34 PM on June 30th to try and unvote
gnarly , and vote for
patricia (Town), even stating:
'I don't buy the case on Patricia.'
yet she adds to it after placing the vote. Nothing screams scum like adding reasoning to a case you already said you don't buy if you ask me. Pretty sure in that same post she even stated that:
'After guiri summed up what's going on with Cathi, I believe that there could be something there.'
but continues to vote for a case she didn't buy herself in the first place, for the second time, in one Day, first time being
gnarly. (tried to vote
patricia at least, I realize yes Day was over at this point). link to post:
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1975&page=6#95895Also,
amykb said she had in her notes that Day ended at 8am her time, this post being made at 11:30 AM her time.
Which brings me to the question..
amykb, did you not want to see if gnarly had defended himself BEFORE it was time for Day to end, while there was still time to make an effective vote change? Why wait until 3 and a half hours after you think Day is over to see what he has to say? You know, seeing as how you weren't getting scum from his posts to begin with.. I won't pretend to have been the most available player, my summer has been hectic to say the least, but it doesn't add up for me in the end.
Oh yes, while trying to vote patricia after EoD, the
Suburban (now confirmed Town) smudging began in the same post...tsk tsk tsk
I feel like you've all got your eyeballs full with this case now, so I will stop at the end of D9 for the time being. Anyone have any other observations or anything to add? Rebuttals?
If you choose to mislynch me toDay, I plan on leaving behind plenty of food for thought. Of course, even if you don't, I will continue to hunt scum as well as I know how. So far my logic seems pretty solid, but there's always room for human error, so believe it or not I have been trying not to be too confident, but I think with this case you can all see a little better how my mind works. I will find more time, hopefully soon, to give
rich a closer look. And of course I still think there are more.. Any ideas floating around?
and now I shall...
vote amykb How's that for
'I imagine that the case will be summed up again and perhaps whoever does so will outline it so I'm convinced - because clearly I don't always comprehend things in the way the author intended.'
Oh yes I'm pretty sure that was a stab at me.(and I know you meant
rich's case, but I took it as an invitation to reevaluate your case more distinctly) I love it when you scum just can't see my cases on each other.