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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 18:51:40 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 17, 2012 18:51:40 GMT -5
From star's case (didn't want to quote it all)D5 her first post is a soft smudge on Pleo followed directly by soft smudge on Colby v1 (Town) 'while I, too, am interested in revisiting Pleonast's possible claim, the idea that Colby would vote so soon into a new Day intrigues me... it strikes me as both a great idea and a very odd ploy.'
Next she asks Colby v1 a load of questions concerning his motives behind his fake claim the previous Night. link to post: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1952&page=5#94916 In her next post she piles on Colby and then votes him. Colby v1 had been confirmed by Hal 4 real life Days prior to her vote. (I believe, open to any corrections)
Actually, I was now in my second life at this time. The first life I was a crazy townie, night killed, and killed one of the masons by accident.... In case you don't see it, I was brought back on Night 4, I believe... And instantly dropped that bomb on purpose. I don't see the vote on me for Day 5, could you link it? Though the wording raises a good point. Why not mention the random effect? On Day 5, I voted just because a player was on my lucky number, 32. If Hal wouldn't have investigated me, I most likely would have been lynched that day. Of course I saw, but I wasn't going to be the one to point it out b/c I thought it was a fake claim, and also thought you may proceed to the next Night to draw the kill again. Why would I wanna blow your cover when I already had a good idea this was exactly what you were doing? Oh yeah, I didn't, because I am Town and I thought it was a genius idea to fake a claim at Night and give scum that wine to drink as they were making their decision. yes, you were in your second lifeform that Day, thank you for the correction. Still Town though, and yes confirmed by Hal 4 Days beforehand when this happened: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1952&page=7#94983I don't really work well with what if's from the past, mainly events which actually happened. Especially having made your fake claim, I think many were waiting to see if you had 'investigated' JBG because of your vote, not waiting to lynch you. Even after your random vote til the time Hal confirmed you, no one had voted for you, so I can't see how you are so sure you would have been lynched that Day. Hal confirmed you here: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1952&page=1#94806 and then again in the next post in case that confirmation was unclear. Note that she saw you unclaim: 'I started out the day incredibly suspicious of Colby. I wasn't the only one, and his responses to others made sense. Then, when he un-claimed, I asked him about it, but am only fairly convinced by his responses... it still seems like a potential ploy to me, but I'm not sure.' But managed to miss the TWO posts in which Hal confirmed you. So maybe she wasn't watching what Hal said, still , she claims she was watching you, and you even talk yourself about being confirmed before she places her vote. @wombat The reason why I did claim is because I did not want a doctor to waste their protection on me. I would rather have them protect Pleonast or Hal at this point, especially since i am not a detective. Pretending to be one was wrong, and I was only doing it to draw the scum to kill me.. Which they may still do, because I am a confirmed town. And if you want to kill me to prove Hal, then go for it
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 19:09:59 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 17, 2012 19:09:59 GMT -5
'You don't make a 180 between the end of Day1 and the beginning of Day3 and suddenly become all-knowing. Unless you come back as scum. I don't care how much studying and reading up on mafia gameplay you do.' I wouldn't call myself all-knowing in the least. I keep telling you I think there are more scum besides whom I suspect. This closed mindedness is driving me batty! To say it's impossible, well, this is really going to make you kick the shit out of yourself when I flip. I'm not saying this to desuade you or make you doubt yourself, please continue as you wish, just the lack of open mindedness in this game is astounding. I find myself appalled frankly. Thanks for not caring for all the effort I put in to learn and try to be helpful. That's a really mean thing to say I'll try not to take it to heart since you think you're attacking scum. OGG I come from a small southern town where people love to hate on people and can't seem to progress. This is why this type of assuming just gets under my skin so badly. If you can't accept me, then please lynch me now, I don't even want to play with you. If it's just too impossible for someone who loves games to put in the effort and learn and try to be an asset to Town, then this game is not for me. I've been trying to factor any and every possibility into my logic as I can and you can't even consider the fact that I am honest Town. 'Cassipietz is unconfirmed. You're defending your suspicion of her as if you know for sure that she is Town. Which I think you do.' And no I'm not defending my D1 suspicions, I was saying you are nitpicking at things, thanks for making that abundantly clear. By the time I got to this point in my reply, not only was I getting sleepy, it seemed ridiculous to even continue to reply to you. You're so sure you know I am scum. cassipietz , I am not sure about since you're wondering, as I'm not 100% sure about any player or my leans on them, as I've stated previously. But she is in my unknown pile along with Suits101 and LadyRogue v2 Surely your next question is why then did I advocate not lynching Suits the other Day? Because I'm not sure about her, why take the risk when there are people I am more certain are scum? Of course I'm even more unsure considering she hasn't returned at all, but still, why take that risk at the point when we have 2 viable suspects(3 now from your angle) You should do yourslef a favor and consider what will happen to you when I flip Town after being so sure I'm scum. I know that seems far out for you right now, but try to have an open mind. For one, you're going to eat these words. For breakfast, lunch, dinner, and elevensies. Two, people are going to turn their suspicions on you. I still think you're Town, but geez you've wasted so much time on me, there's no way this will look good on you when I flip. I'm not asking you to unvote me, but maybe you could voice a few thoughts on others you may be suspicious of as well? Since you have already reassured us all of my scumminess, it'd be nice to hear your thoughts on amykb and richbeckman , seeing as how regardless of my flip, you think they should go. Three, leaving me around leaves wine for scum. Do they NK me b/c I am helping to catch them, or leave me around in hopes the latest trend continues? I know how you feel about me being scum, but seriously consider this. Were I them, I'd be torn as to get rid of me before I figure the rest out, or leave me for Town to mislynch. ToDay the choice is in Town's hands, but I couldn't think of much better wine to leave them toNight. Four, and this is super important guys, if we keep mislynching, it's going to get easier and easier for scum to control the vote. Please don't make this easy for them Town! The two I'm suspicious of are already taking this opportunity to cast more suspicion on me. Has no one really noticed them both doing this? rich says: starrirain, keke?? kekeke? Meaning "much"? Or increase intensity of adjacent word? "funny lil side note, no one from PR knows who I am keke, only Idle..."' Then amykb later says: 'And define "keke" while you're at it - I first thought it was a form of "hehe" but that doesn't always fit.' hey amykb , I've already been asked to explain this, only I hadn't been on to reply yet. Patience is a virtue, redundance is annoying. Why wait for me to reply when you can jump right in huh? Oh yes, scum love opportunism keke keke or kekeke is the same as hehehe or hahaha, simply an onomatopoeia for laughter. My turn to ask you two, why is this a question for toDay when I am getting votes and suspicion? I first used this form of laughter in D8 to my knowledge, and you two are the first to ask about it, but only toDay. In my posts there appear to be 6 keke or kekeke's, so this is not a new development. If anyone desires further explanation on my laughter, I would be much obliged. And now this? <snip> And then there's this, from post #40 also: Cassipietz is unconfirmed. You're defending your suspicion of her as if you know for sure that she is Town. Which I think you do. Now that makes me wonder. You're reaching with wombat and you know it scum! Opportunism anyone? Let me add that this: <snip> Richbeckman escaped the lynch yesterDay due to Ginger's typo, I'd really prefer him to be lynched toDay. I hope he comes back to play future games here, I suspect he's very good.<snip> I guess I can not feel flattered since the "I suspect" is qualifying the compliment to apply only if I am Scum. But I am not. I almost certainly will play again, but I can't tell how you will feel about that after I flip Town. seems like someone has been taking notes on my hurt gamer pride from wombat's comment here: -snip- Also - I haven't compared the timing of your posts and Guiri's yet, but I suspect you piggybacked off of him. I am guessing that part of your strategy was to play off of Guiri's scum-hunting strength and "suspect" the same scum that he did. Quite clever! and I tell her it hurt my pride here: 'That piggybacking comment hurt my gamer pride. I respect your opinion, though I feel it is wrong. I really feel like I've contributed a lot on my own.' And it did. I took it as a stab on my ability to game, not as an accussation of scum piggybacking. It's much less hurtful knowing how it was intended, but the fact remains I am Town, I've done my own work, and you'll all know in time my intentions were always pure. But this comment from rich is just too conveinient. Would the group prefer I didn't follow my logic and just mindlessly call people scum? I could have done that, but instead I put in effort to learn and understand and observe people's actions. I would seriously think after all the mislynches there would be more thought and consideration put into this. Your general opinion of me is so bias because I simply couldn't learn that fast. OOG I was playing The Last Ninja at age 4, if any of you are familiar with that game, it's not an easy game for a 4-year-old.
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 19:31:58 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 17, 2012 19:31:58 GMT -5
ahhhhh might as well get it all out, you guys are 'poking the lion' as my former co workers used to say keke @ amybk smudge [smuhj] noun 1. a dirty mark or smear. 2. a smeary state. 3. a stifling smoke. 4. a smoky fire, especially one made for driving away mosquitoes or safeguarding fruit trees from frost. verb (used with object) 5. to mark with dirty streaks or smears. 6. to fill with smudge, as to drive away insects or protect fruit trees from frost. verb (used without object) 7. to form a smudge on something. 8. to become smudged: White shoes smudge easily. 9. to smolder or smoke; emit smoke, as a smudge pot Sorry, put on my smartie pants for a minute there, I don't take kindly to people demanding things from me. I am not your dictionary. I'm sure you are quite capable of defining a smudge, as well as everyone else here.(not that I'm sure there is a precise definition for mafia smudge) mafia smudge you mean? oh ok! I couldn't find a definition on the mafiascum site. I found a good definition in another Game when I googled, but I don't know if it's acceptable for me to quote that here. I personally don't know an exact definition, maybe someone with a few more games behind them can be more helpful in that department. examples you say? Here are a few so you get an idea, but I worry now you're just taking notes on what NOT to do [smudge]'laxrules017 jumped on that a bit quickly. But the bigger issue, I think, is the cute “samesies” instead of adding on anything else – like laxrules just wanted to blend in and be on “the good team.” Probably a bit novice of an assessment, but given lianne’s suggestion about laxrules knowing a specific scum number, it might add to the case?'[smudge] [smudge]'though, I gotta say, I'm a little suspicious of wombat99, too. when mchelle71 started to get questioned, wombat99 was the first one to find something to possibly "save" mchelle71. perhaps they're both scum, and wombat was trying to help mchelle. granted, wombat has brought a lot of other things to light (an early poster on the silverjan vs Silver Jan conundrum), so maybe they're just very good with following along and catching things?'[smudge] [smudge]'two different stories = lying, which only scum can do, right? or can certain power roles lie?'[smudge] [smudge]'I understand that Crys is talking about a specific Meeko instance, but I've been ruminating about Meeko's bully attitude throughout Day Two. It is rather harsh a lot of the time, but he seems to be the only one who does this (to such an extreme), so I'm not sure if it's a scum tell or just the way he is. I don't believe the bulk of his comments to be misunderstandings of inflection, but the extent to which he goes to gang up on others is rather disturbing. One one hand, I think he could be very vicious town, which is good. On the other, being so hardcore ALL THE TIME rubs me wrong - it's like the ultimate deflection, ya know?'[smudge] [smudge]'yesterDay I pointed out that wombat stood out to me because of his sleuthing and being the first to point out things, but I just wonder if it's scummy?'[smudge] [softsmudge]'seems that Kagemoto is all over the important facts of the deaths (the fact that the Scums are guessing our power people well), so maybe that's all that's worth focusing on?'[softsmudge] I could go on, but I think I've made my point. My case is laid out chronologically so people can simply pull up all of your posts and view them together with the case. Some may agree, some may disagree, but we need to all voice our suspicions and talk it out. I didn't assume every one would see every single detail I saw myself, but laid them out anyhow because I did the work and to me it fits. I did say it was open to expansions, corrections and rebuttals, right? So you are welcome to yours of course. 'I've said before that my early game tactics were weak, so I'm not going to repeat myself again. I've explained and shown my early get-on-board cases and my later formulations of cases' WAH! Have you SEEN the case on me toDay? You get no sympathy from me here AHA! I smell PIS here! 'My N1 apology has nothing to do with alignment. I was sorry that I wasn't playing the game "correctly."' But why apologize for it being a scum thing to do? Why not say it was an noob error or plain confusion on gameplay in general? 'I see nothing wrong with backing off of someone when they have a plausible explanation - I believe that has happened throughout this game with many different people involved.' Nope, nothing wrong with that, it was the: [smudge]'dizzymrslizzy said earlier TODAY that she's got a sinus infection... I don't see any post like that... unless she said it on the secret scum boards... unless I missed a post in her past?'[smudge] the fact you were so quick to jump to such a conclusion about her sickness, when she had told everyone the previous day she was sick. Your quick apology (4 minutes after dizzy posted: ' dizzymrslizzy - sorry. I understood the calendar day part, but only looked at today, not last night. hope you feel better!' makes it seem like you skimmed right past her original post stating her sickness to begin with. But I bet you were busy N1 on scum boards, so it was easy for you to overlook. 'When I questioned JBG, she had not yet talked about how her vacation was extended, I just noticed a dates discrepancy.' Maybe I am the only person who saw the latter post and date and thought the vacation had been extended and this was JBG's way of telling us? That's okay, we can't all agree all the time. Except that I didn't see anyone else question it before you had, so I assumed they felt the same. '"Too bad no Scum last Night, but only two Towns instead of the three they've been getting." is gloating to you? interesting. because I see it as more of a "yay, we have an extra Town alive this morning" thing.' 'Too bad no Scum last Night' reads to me as gloating yes. Of course it makes sense say something Townish afterward. 'I don't know how many times I have to explain the Colby thing.' I didn't ask for an explanation, it's simply part of my case against you. 'perhaps my missing "an entire Night AND Day" should have read as "dang, that went fast! more to read!" The Nights may be shorter in post #, but that's still reading to catch up on.' Sure reading to catch up on, but I can't see any reason for Town to even mention missing Night. The fact that it came first in your sentence seems like a PIS to me. Night was important enough to you to be the first cycle you typed when saying you missed them. Ok, this one really cracks me up: 'a search of my posts reveals I've used a form of "intrigue" three times in this game - it's a word I use IRL, too. I guess that fascinates you?' It was the context, which I explained. Oddly you didn't search my posts for the keke's therein, no I didn't search yours for that word, as it's not the word itsself but the context in which it was used. 'I don't know Anne in PR' My mistake, this post made it seem like you knew each other: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1973&page=1#95663'well, maybe that's an issue for some, but I have no qualms about voting for anyone from PR. I keep my politics and my friends separate, and, in this case, that means you're not my friend in the game, just outside of it.' That really to me looks like you know her, but surely you can see how I can read it that way. The way you said 'you're not my friend in the game, just outside of it' made it seem like you were telling her that directly, not saying it objectively. An honest mistake on my part. 'If you have a secret identity, who knows if I know you or not.' Now you're putting words in my mouth. I said 'I feel like I have a whole new secret identity' I wasn't asking if you knew me, I was just saying I think it's neat that even if anyone knows me, they can't get meta by already knowing my personality. They would still have to use only what's been provided here to make a judgement about me. Why shouldn't I think that's cool? 'Unless you want OOG evidence, I can't prove that I checked the board half an hour before Gnarly claimed Detective. Sure, it sounds convenient. But, I wasn't at my computer after that on 6/29.' I didn't ask for evidence, only said it was conveinient. 'If I don't buy a case on someone and they're up for lynch, what's wrong with going through their stuff and finding your own case/reasons to vote them?' But you didn't even buy EITHER of the 2 cases you voted for that Day. What's wrong with THAT?! At some point did it not occur to you to make a case of your own then, one you could buy? You don't buy the case on rich , but haven't made any effort to follow up suspicions people have had on him. He ended yesterDay with 5 votes I believe. But I guess he's not worth looking into since you don't buy that case? 'Not only does it help add to the overall case, it makes a person more confident that they might be lynching an actual Scum, not a Town who made mistakes (like sadly happened yesterDay, for instance).' Not. Making. Sense. 'Are you questioning why I didn't wake up before 8am on a Saturday morning to check for a Gnarly defense?' Scum love putting words in my mouth. That was not my question at all. My question went like this: 'amykb, did you not want to see if gnarly had defended himself BEFORE it was time for Day to end, while there was still time to make an effective vote change? Why wait until 3 and a half hours after you think Day is over to see what he has to say? You know, seeing as how you weren't getting scum from his posts to begin with..' I guess that's questions. But to answer you, no I'm not your sleep monitor. A simple I have a real life would suffice. 'I don't expect this to satisfy you, as you seem to have your mind made up about me.' I wasn't looking for satisfaction per se, though I will be pleased if we manage to lynch scum toDay. 'But, hopefully it will help others who read your post to see where you're making something out of nothing.' Seems like others can see something, even if they've gone through your posts hoping to debunk my case.
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 19:47:38 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 17, 2012 19:47:38 GMT -5
-bleached- Hmph...I had already sent in my investigation request when wombat99 brought up his "too perfect" case against starrirain, and I seriously considered changing it to either one of them. However, I kept on track...oh well. I'll give what will likely be my final confirmation shortly before dusk -- I don't want to influence the way voting goes for now. As for the aforementioned case, it seems crazy to vote against a record like this, but wombat99 is correct -- what's really crazy is how precise starrirain has been. starrirain, if you come up as town, then I'll apologize and marvel at how perfectly everything fell in just the wrong way for you. But until then... Vote starrirainWhy now? So many are still playing follow the cop imo. I feel like they think if you find it suspicious, it's worth a vote. In this post, you've said you didn't investigate wombat nor myself . Why not just wait and vote me when you reveal your result so that people will have a chance to use their own thought process until then? Example: -bleached- Hmph...I had already sent in my investigation request when wombat99 brought up his "too perfect" case against starrirain, and I seriously considered changing it to either one of them. However, I kept on track...oh well. I'll give what will likely be my final confirmation shortly before dusk -- I don't want to influence the way voting goes for now. As for the aforementioned case, it seems crazy to vote against a record like this, but wombat99 is correct -- what's really crazy is how precise starrirain has been. starrirain, if you come up as town, then I'll apologize and marvel at how perfectly everything fell in just the wrong way for you. But until then... bleached Vote starrirain I agree with Hal unless someone comes up with something different Vote Starrirain annetastic did you just skip right over my case on amykb ? There is also a vote on richbeckman , no thought there either? Just agree with Hal , sounds lazy like you're not even trying. Silver Jan went over the case I laid out at least, though she was hoping to disprove, she found more to add. But none of that must be anything, or you're not reading at all, just following Hal Let's all remember, our Cop has no more inside information than we Town do, aside from the results he got from last Night. He already said it wasn't me he investigated, so I just must be scum? Ridiculous. He doesn't know! That's why he already apologized in advance, because unlike some, he has considered the fact that a player could learn and play so well, and his vote could be wrong. I'm leaning on Starrirain although I'd hate to mislynch her twice in one game. I think maybe we might not be understanding her playing style hense a second possible mislynch. I'm going to leave that one be, and follow Guiri's advice to go after her targets and then swoop back to her. Amy has been under fire the last couple of days, and I haven't really seen any real defense from her. So I'm going to lean Vote: AmyKB dizzy Thank you for at least providing a more unbiased opinion of me than most.
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 20:26:18 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 17, 2012 20:26:18 GMT -5
Starrirain, this is a very intense response from someone who isn't even the lynch leader. When you were mislynched on Day1, you responded much differently. This makes me wonder if lynching Starrirain, AmyKB, and Richbeckman would put Town very close to winning the game. (That would make 11 scum dead if they are in fact all 3 scum).
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 21:59:23 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 17, 2012 21:59:23 GMT -5
Starrirain, this is a very intense response from someone who isn't even the lynch leader. When you were mislynched on Day1, you responded much differently. quotus interuptusGeez, it is like watching a slow motion train wreck. quotus resumusThis makes me wonder if lynching Starrirain, AmyKB, and Richbeckman would put Town very close to winning the game. (That would make 11 scum dead if they are in fact all 3 scum). For the life of me, I do not understand how I end up in this discussion. The case against me has no substance. Ah, well.
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 22:06:21 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 17, 2012 22:06:21 GMT -5
<snip> Four, and this is super important guys, if we keep mislynching, it's going to get easier and easier for scum to control the vote. Please don't make this easy for them Town! The two I'm suspicious of are already taking this opportunity to cast more suspicion on me. Has no one really noticed them both doing this? rich says: starrirain, keke?? kekeke? Meaning "much"? Or increase intensity of adjacent word? "funny lil side note, no one from PR knows who I am keke, only Idle..."' <snip> Really? My asking what "keke" means is casting suspicion on you? In what universe is this true? My question is simple curiosity about what keke means, no more, no less.
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 22:25:57 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 17, 2012 22:25:57 GMT -5
<snip> My turn to ask you two, why is this a question for toDay when I am getting votes and suspicion? I first used this form of laughter in D8 to my knowledge, and you two are the first to ask about it, but only toDay. In my posts there appear to be 6 keke or kekeke's, so this is not a new development. If anyone desires further explanation on my laughter, I would be much obliged. <snip> I can't answer for AmyKB, but I asked the question today because it was today that I noticed it. I see you used it once on Day 8 and once on Day 10. Day 8 was in a reply to Meeko that you began with "kekeke Meeko". The Day 10 usage was to begin a reply to AmyKB "keke, glad I could refresh your memory" So in both occasions, it seemed like a substitute for, say, "dear" and I gave it little thought. But Today's usage is more varied and it jumped out at me. I was curious. I guess the question is a bit OOG, but if I did not ask now, I would probably forget to later. And maybe you would never use it again, who knows.
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 22:37:43 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 17, 2012 22:37:43 GMT -5
In this post, you've said you didn't investigate wombat nor myself . Why not just wait and vote me when you reveal your result so that people will have a chance to use their own thought process until then? Because I'm not voting for you as a detective, I'm voting for you as a player. It may seem like there isn't a distinction, but there is actually a very important one. "Follow the cop" is a distinct possibility -- we've already seen it, unfortunately -- but people are still going to follow other paths of suspicion as well. We've seen that, too.
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 22:38:36 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 17, 2012 22:38:36 GMT -5
<snip> And now this? <snip> And then there's this, from post #40 also: Cassipietz is unconfirmed. You're defending your suspicion of her as if you know for sure that she is Town. Which I think you do. Now that makes me wonder. You're reaching with wombat and you know it scum! Opportunism anyone? <snip> Really? We are reaching and being opportunistic to call attention to what appears to be an example of PIS. Can you honestly say that if that if such a statement had been made by AmyKB or myself you would have ignored it? For a Town to be aware of such a possible PIS and not give it attention would be very anti-town play in my opinion.
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Day 12.
Jul 17, 2012 22:55:40 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 17, 2012 22:55:40 GMT -5
<snip> Let me add that this: <snip> Richbeckman escaped the lynch yesterDay due to Ginger's typo, I'd really prefer him to be lynched toDay. I hope he comes back to play future games here, I suspect he's very good.<snip> I guess I can not feel flattered since the "I suspect" is qualifying the compliment to apply only if I am Scum. But I am not. I almost certainly will play again, but I can't tell how you will feel about that after I flip Town. seems like someone has been taking notes on my hurt gamer pride from wombat's comment here: -snip- Also - I haven't compared the timing of your posts and Guiri's yet, but I suspect you piggybacked off of him. I am guessing that part of your strategy was to play off of Guiri's scum-hunting strength and "suspect" the same scum that he did. Quite clever! and I tell her it hurt my pride here: 'That piggybacking comment hurt my gamer pride. I respect your opinion, though I feel it is wrong. I really feel like I've contributed a lot on my own.' And it did. I took it as a stab on my ability to game, not as an accussation of scum piggybacking. It's much less hurtful knowing how it was intended, but the fact remains I am Town, I've done my own work, and you'll all know in time my intentions were always pure. But this comment from rich is just too conveinient. <snip> Taking notes on your hurt pride?!?!? Where is there hurt pride in my post?? Why would I have hurt pride? I do not feel I have played all that well. I fail to grasp cases. I have had a very difficult time finding cases without someone pointing them out first. I seem to be on the verge of being mislynched based on yet another case that I fail to understand (until now...) I am beginning to better understand how you have a case against me. You seem to be able to find all kinds of meaning in the most innocuous statements. And... Is this referring back to my response to Guiri's "compliment"? Or.... Just too convenient how?? for what?? Have we run down the rabbit hole?
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 0:59:23 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 18, 2012 0:59:23 GMT -5
To me, it boils down to Star and Amy.
Star seems to be a great scum hunter. Whether she is just bussing them to make it seem like she is an uber town player seems very risky. If scum had a lot of players, I might buy that. But I don't see that happening. I don't see scum doing that, but I have been fooled before
Amy's comment that she makes regarding me when I was Colbyv2 makes me wonder. For that alone (and for all the other cases made by everyone) Vote amy
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 3:00:54 GMT -5
Post by AmyKay on Jul 18, 2012 3:00:54 GMT -5
"ey, I saw 2 or 3 cases of other players getting suspicious on Day One when somebody chimed in quickly on something with only a short response. Someone later explained why that's seen as scummy, so I was just pointing out that laxrules had done that, too. I don't actually know if it's normally indicative, as I'm just as new as you. I just remembered it was an eleventh hour thing and when lianne made a suggestion, I realized it fit in, too." Who explained later? Was it on the scum boards? Kagemoto explained it to Jerejeliah. S/he had voted for Gadarene without giving a reason until asked. Jere wasn't sure if s/he was taking the game correctly and Kagemoto offered this (page 16 of Day One): "You are right, at least in part, that this is a game of watching people's behaviors, making our own assumptions on those behaviors and voting as we saw fit. But you are also one of the "people" and others will watch your behaviors. If in your first post of the game, you post only your vote without any supporting reason in that post, it should not be a surprise that people who watch this would assume that it is a vote with no reason. In short, your behavior in your first post only shows that you voted, but does not show that you watched or you made your assumption. I also see that you made a second post to explain your reason of vote. However, it is in a different page from your first post, which makes your vote-only first post look bad. I guess what I really want to say is: if you vote with a reason, do not just put your vote in one post and explain the vote in a separate post. Try to put down some explanations in the vote post." I also have the gist of it in the very beginning of my notes, though I probably didn't think of it this way at the time - In Gadarene's "how to play Vanilla" post on Day One, he noted "(2) clear yourself -- try to do work to show everyone else that you're a Townie, so that they don't try to lynch you. " - so the idea that chiming in with only a "me too" being scummy was definitely addressed. Amy has been under fire the last couple of days, and I haven't really seen any real defense from her. So I'm going to lean Vote: AmyKB what, now? no defense? has there been an accusation to which I haven't replied? My turn to ask you two, why is this a question for toDay when I am getting votes and suspicion? I first used this form of laughter in D8 to my knowledge, and you two are the first to ask about it, but only toDay. In my posts there appear to be 6 keke or kekeke's, so this is not a new development. If anyone desires further explanation on my laughter, I would be much obliged. I don't care if rich asked about it. the first time you used it, I thought you mistyped "hehe." as I continued to see it, it made less and less sense. Maybe there are a lot of people who knew that term already, but I had never heard it. I am not your dictionary. I'm sure you are quite capable of defining a smudge, as well as everyone else here.(not that I'm sure there is a precise definition for mafia smudge) I specifically asked for YOUR precise definition. Because, now that I see your "examples," I know that my definition really is very different from yours. If I ask a question about what someone did, I don't consider it a smudge. If I make a suggestion of someone to focus on because of something they did, I don't consider that a smudge. If I flat-out say "xyz looks scummy" I would agree that could be a smudge. 'My N1 apology has nothing to do with alignment. I was sorry that I wasn't playing the game "correctly."' But why apologize for it being a scum thing to do? Why not say it was an noob error or plain confusion on gameplay in general? because I didn't know what I was doing and didn't want people to think I'm Scum when I'm not. 'When I questioned JBG, she had not yet talked about how her vacation was extended, I just noticed a dates discrepancy.' Maybe I am the only person who saw the latter post and date and thought the vacation had been extended and this was JBG's way of telling us? That's okay, we can't all agree all the time. Except that I didn't see anyone else question it before you had, so I assumed they felt the same. or they all missed it? or not everyone follows the "away" board and takes notes on who might not be participating on which Day? 'perhaps my missing "an entire Night AND Day" should have read as "dang, that went fast! more to read!" The Nights may be shorter in post #, but that's still reading to catch up on.' Sure reading to catch up on, but I can't see any reason for Town to even mention missing Night. The fact that it came first in your sentence seems like a PIS to me. Night was important enough to you to be the first cycle you typed when saying you missed them. because I missed the Night FIRST, I listed it FIRST. You don't buy the case on rich , but haven't made any effort to follow up suspicions people have had on him. He ended yesterDay with 5 votes I believe. But I guess he's not worth looking into since you don't buy that case? ...I already told you I'd look at rich more seriously if he was again a lynch leader.
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 4:00:51 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 18, 2012 4:00:51 GMT -5
Amykb - 6 votes (michelehunter, starrirain, cassipietz, Silver Jan, dizzymrslizzy, colby11) starrirain - 3 votes (wombat99, Hal Briston, annetastic) Total Ulla - 1 vote (Meeko) richardbeckman - 1 vote (guiri)
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 8:08:46 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 18, 2012 8:08:46 GMT -5
FWIW :
Starrirain: It is perfectly acceptable to quote from other games. Most times players pull from games they have played in / know " enough " about.
In the wild, this would look like
I don't think we should do X because that is similar to what happened in <<Name of other game here>> and we all remember what happened, After X happened, that set up Y to do Z, and once Z happened, it was all over.
It is as if once they are over, in hindsight, games are reduced to component parts, and those parts reflect the track record of town win and town loss. Town is always at a disadvantage in the Mafia and rather than re-live game states with limited resources, we all use the shorthand of citing previous games.
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:25:44 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 18, 2012 9:25:44 GMT -5
Unless there is a doc hiding out among the ranks (and if there is, very well played!), I have no illusions that I'll be alive toMorrow. So, it's time to clear up a few things.
We've had some good discussion toDay -- something to build on for toMorrow, since toDay's move is about to get pretty clear. After all, my ever-so-scummy investigation target from last night has been chatting things up, sticking his foot in his scummy mouth, so everyone will be able to check it out from the proper perspective.
That said, I still think there's an excellent chance that starrirain is scum. However, since I don't know it for a 100% fact, I'm going to... Unvote starrirain
Which means I'm going to....
.......
.........Ooooo, isn't the anticipation just killing you?
Well, it'll kill at least one of you, anyway!
So....
Vote.....
.....richbeckman!
(My apologies to everyone who just had to scroll through all that on a smartphone)
I was going to reveal this after dusk, since I still think starrirain is scum, but I decided to go with the bird in the hand. Perhaps this kill will be the one which changes the theoretical number of nightly scumkills (or hey, maybe he's the final scum*!), so it's worth a chance.
(*Ok, I really don't think there's much of a chance of that...)
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:30:28 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 18, 2012 9:30:28 GMT -5
Geez, Hal, you could have saved me a lot of time if you had announced that at Daybreak!
Hey, Guiri, thanks for the compliment!
Everyone, I've had a blast! Thanks!
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:32:16 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 18, 2012 9:32:16 GMT -5
Oh, and Hal, thank-you (I think) for doubting the case against me enough to investigate. The case may have been correct, but I still think it is weak.
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:32:48 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 18, 2012 9:32:48 GMT -5
Geez, Hal, you could have saved me a lot of time if you had announced that at Daybreak! Yes, but if I did that, then we would've missed out on gems like this: Starrirain has to rank as the most aggressively pro Town player in this game. .... If Starrirain is Scum... then I. GIVE. UP. Somehow, that defense doesn't have much shine on it right now.
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:37:51 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 18, 2012 9:37:51 GMT -5
Oh, and Hal, thank-you (I think) for doubting the case against me enough to investigate. The case may have been correct, but I still think it is weak. You have no idea how close I was to switching it over to starrirain. Still, very well-played game! Any scum secrets you'd care to share on your way out?
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:40:10 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 18, 2012 9:40:10 GMT -5
Hey, woot! Great work Hal!
Well played rich!
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:43:10 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 18, 2012 9:43:10 GMT -5
Unvote: Amy Safe for another day Amy....
Vote: Richbeckman Interesting. Well played IMO Rich. I wasn't expecting that turn of events.
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:43:13 GMT -5
Post by supermel on Jul 18, 2012 9:43:13 GMT -5
vote:richbeckman
well done Hal!
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 9:49:52 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 18, 2012 9:49:52 GMT -5
OMG! I seem to be getting worse at this
Unvote Amykb
Vote RichBeckman
Well done Hal. Good game Rich you played really well.
Vote End of Day
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 10:00:25 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jul 18, 2012 10:00:25 GMT -5
Vote: richbeckman Thank you richbeckman for making my first game such a challenge. Thank you Hal for everything. I, for one, will miss you! But miracles sometimes happen, you might last the night, maybe, possibly, hopefully.
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 10:18:22 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 18, 2012 10:18:22 GMT -5
Way to go yet again Hal wooo hooo unvote Amykb for today still on my list vote RichOkay so does it follow that the 3 named scums by wombat99 hold true I'm beginning to think so well done in all that reading and investigating I wish I had your time and detemination
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 10:18:58 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 18, 2012 10:18:58 GMT -5
Oh, is reading the scum boards going to be fun when this is over.
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 10:43:56 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2012 10:43:56 GMT -5
I was all set to come in this morning and vote for starrirain because I agree with those who say nobody can be that good at finding Scum. Also, looking at the timing of her votes, very few of them came at a time as to have any influence on the lynch whatsoever.
Specifically:
Day 3 she voted for outed Scum endhoot, then made a late-Day change to annem (Scum) well after the lynch had been decided.
Day 4, the vote was LadyRogue (Town)-6, Pleonast (Scum)-5, Meeko (Unknown)-5, when starrirain chose to make a one-off vote on annem (Scum).
Day 5 she placed the first vote on Texcat (Scum), who was the eventual lynchee. At the time she placed her vote, Meeko was the leader with 3 votes.
Day 6 she voted for outed Scum annem.
Day 7 she voted for outed Scum Pleonast.
Day 8 she placed the first vote on Cathi (Scum); jlrinmke (Town) was leading the voting at that point with 4.
Day 9 is the only time she placed anything close to a significant date-Day vote, and even that wasn't really all that significant in the end. With the vote standing at Patricia (Town)-9, gnarlycharlie (Town)-6, she voted for Patricia, who was eventually lynched. gnarly was killed that Night.
Day 10 she placed the only vote of the Day on amykb (Unknown), then changed to place the 3rd vote on Cathi. Her vote made the count Suburban (presumed Town)-5, Suits101 (Unknown)-5, Cathi (Scum)-3
Day 11 she placed the first vote on richbeckman (Scum). At that point, the vote was Suburban-3, everybody else-0
In her defense, she's voted for a lot of Scum. But that's also the biggest piece of evidence against her. By my count, she's placed 11 votes in her current incarnation. 9 of those were placed on Scum, one on Town, and one on a current Unknown. The one time she voted in a situation where the result was very much in doubt was on Day 4; she chose to place a one-off instead of making a vote that would actually effect the outcome. Of course that one-off was on a player who would ultimately turn up as Scum, so we can forgive her, right?
It's just too good to be true.
That being said, we have a choice Today between someone who really seems like Scum, and someone who has essentially admitted to being Scum. I'll take the bird in the hand any day. Tomorrow, I'll most likely be voting for starririain unless Hal survives the Night and proclaims her innocence.
Vote: richbeckman
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 11:14:40 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 18, 2012 11:14:40 GMT -5
Yes, but if I did that, then we would've missed out on gems like this: Starrirain has to rank as the most aggressively pro Town player in this game. .... If Starrirain is Scum... then I. GIVE. UP. Somehow, that defense doesn't have much shine on it right now. [/quote] I think this says a lot as well against Starrirain
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Day 12.
Jul 18, 2012 11:15:29 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 18, 2012 11:15:29 GMT -5
poop sorry the above post was snipped
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