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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:34:46 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 16:34:46 GMT -5
vote starrian Hal had deep suspicions so I will go with this for today... What type of suspicions do you have yourself? What makes you think a vote for me is the best way to go toDay? Do you have thoughts on any other players?
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:38:40 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 16:38:40 GMT -5
How do you suggest we do this, exactly? By lynching her and having her alignment revealed. I feel like you're asking another question here but I'm missing it. Except, my VT alignment won't tell you much about who scum really is, only that my intentions were always pure. Not to mention, you still haven't removed yourself enough from your bias of me to consider what will happen when I flip Town. Why not make sure amykb is scum first?
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:44:09 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 16:44:09 GMT -5
AnnetasticSuburbanIf you guys have anything to say, today would be the day..... I already voted Meeko as I was not sure when I could get on line again over the weekend and the rest of the week I am decorating as my hubby is away working for a week (he can't complain if he's not here lol) I am not sure what to think of Starrirain there are arguments for and against her but Hal seems to think she was scum and I am going with his feelings on this. As for Amykb I have not really looked into her posts but will be doing later ... also I have not noticed a lot of posts from patricia - Cassipiets or total ulla lately either. I will try to come on the boards daily but not sure if I will make it but will try my best as it is now getting close to finishing. Why in the heck are people voting without even knowing what is going on??? Let's just all follow the dead Cop!!! Except, after my mislynch toDay, there is nothing left to follow from Hal v1 annetastic , I made a great case on amykb yesterDay, even asking you if you had read it. This post tells me you have not. It stinks so bad that our confirmed Town aren't even trying.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:50:15 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 16:50:15 GMT -5
Thanks Hal for all you've done sorry they got you last night Ok townies do we vote for Starrirain or Amykb? I will be gone all day tomorrow tis my grandson's birthday but will check back in the late evening This post bothers me. The presumption here is that one or the other (or possibly both) are Scum, and we shouldn't trouble ourselves looking anywhere else because our only valid targets are right here...so let's just choose from one of these two options and be done with things nice and quick. I must be missing the vote for Amykb, but do find it interesting that she was the first to vote to Star Why would it be "interesting"? You said yourself that our choice today was starrirain or amykb; what makes it so 'interesting' that one of them should vote for the other? It seems perfectly logical to me. FINALLY!!! Someone with some sense! Thanks Suburban for thinking outside the box. I think Town could take a few notes here. Time to think about our future and how we can win.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 17:01:29 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 17:01:29 GMT -5
This post bothers me. The presumption here is that one or the other (or possibly both) are Scum, and we shouldn't trouble ourselves looking anywhere else because our only valid targets are right here...so let's just choose from one of these two options and be done with things nice and quick. They were both under a lot of suspicion in the last couple of days and it can bother you all you want I'm not asking you to presume anything just stating that is where my vote is going on one of the two of them Why would it be "interesting"? You said yourself that our choice today was starrirain or amykb; what makes it so 'interesting' that one of them should vote for the other? It seems perfectly logical to me. ROFLOL that's why I find it interesting, as well as the fact that neither of them showed up last night to post any ideas or comments Welcome back Hal In case it wasn't clear in my first post toDay, I have been under the weather. If you need a day by day explanation of why I haven't been here, I can provide that as well, but it will boil down to allergies/sinus problems and generally feeling ill. I haven't posted at Night at all. If this is news to you, you must not have checked up on my posts anyway. I've heard it said more than once that posting at Night is more helpful to scum in general, so I've avoided that so far completely. Of course ignore this if you were referring to the RL last night, in which I was sick. It was unclear which you meant, so thought I'd throw that in there just in case.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 17:11:42 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 17:11:42 GMT -5
-bleached- OoooOOoooooOOOOOooooo....back from the dead! How spoooOOOOooooOOOOoooooky... And in an entirely shocking move, let me starting with... Vote starrirainYes, I'm sure we are all so shocked <feign shock> Do you have anything to add, other than you're suspicious of me being scum? Care to elaborate on those suspicions?
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 17:23:25 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 24, 2012 17:23:25 GMT -5
-bleached- They are both suspects Crys and have been for a few days now I'm fine with either one Vote Starrirain I am leaving Friday for a 2 week vacation but will have some internet access. Ok, so nice that you are fine with either one of us. No preference? Just ride it out? For DAYS you suspected amykb , but chose to place your vote on me, with very little content for the group. I'd be so grateful if everyone could all share their thoughts on us both, and any others before EoD. My mislynch seems pretty imminent at this point, so it will help Town toMorrow to have this kind of insight in case scum think my wagon is a good place to hide. You seem to catch so much about everyone else but missed where I said you were my first choice due to Rich's post before he was outed. Hope I've explained myself to your satisfaction I'm getting tired of repeating it
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 17:41:54 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 17:41:54 GMT -5
-bleached- Ok, so nice that you are fine with either one of us. No preference? Just ride it out? For DAYS you suspected amykb , but chose to place your vote on me, with very little content for the group. I'd be so grateful if everyone could all share their thoughts on us both, and any others before EoD. My mislynch seems pretty imminent at this point, so it will help Town toMorrow to have this kind of insight in case scum think my wagon is a good place to hide. You seem to catch so much about everyone else but missed where I said you were my first choice due to Rich's post before he was outed. Hope I've explained myself to your satisfaction I'm getting tired of repeating it Not really, I am just going through the Day in order and replying that way(aside from responding to new posts and a few I have left til later due to lack of time I have at current). I still think it's a pretty terrible reason for voting me. Not to mention weak as well if that is your only reason. After being so suspicious of amykb and seeing a good case made on her, and saying toDay that you are fine with either one, I think it's acceptable of me to ask why I suddenly came first. As Suburban pointed out in your next interaction with him on P2 of this Day, you seemed to think last Night that this might be a ploy to get people to vote for me toDay, yet you voted for me above someone you had been more suspicious of on several occasions. So no, I don't think your answer is satisfactory in the least. As you can see, I am not done posting my thoughts, so maybe you should hold your judgement on what I have or have not seen until I am finished with those? Just a thought. But hey! You know I am scum, so why should you have to account for your actions later? Oh yeah, because I am trying to get Townies to cover their asses! You guys are making me insane with frustration! When I flip Town, maybe you will all understand me a little bit better with your bias opinions removed.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 18:05:46 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 18:05:46 GMT -5
Suburban Plankton was bothers me more is you are one of the CONFIRMED town and didn't even notice Rich said if Star was scum he'd be "surprised" (that is not the wording, but I am too lazy to go find it) before he was outed, so yes that is where my vote it going I believe the post you're referring to is this one: Which would qualify as an unforced claim, which may or may not be evidence of Scum. Against that you have a solid record of aggressively hunting Scum. Coached? She shows as much or more of her work than anyone else here. That's some hellacious coaching. If Starrirain is Scum... then I. GIVE. UP. Of course richbeckman was Scum, so he knew whether or not starrirain is Scum when he posted that. And there's no way for us to tell starrirain's alignment from that post. Scum correctly 'defend' Townies all the time. Scum also frequently falsely accuse Townies of being Scum, and falsely defend Scum as Town. And they accuse other Scum of being Scum almost as often. My point is: you can't trust anything that richbeckman said. It really doesn't matter if he said it before he was outed or after. Yes, I had the timing wrong, but that doesn't actually change anything. You voted for amykb as early as Day 9. You voted for amykb yesterDay. You said last Night: Good point about Dizzy, though she doesn't concern me now, what bothers me is what Rick said about Starrirain being town was that a way to make us vote for her. I still leaning towards Amykb would a two way tie be any better? thoughts? which seems to indicate that you're wondering if richbeckman was trying to set up starrirain, and you explicitly state that amykb is your first choice. So why aren't you voting for amykb Today?[/quote] As I was saying... Suburban makes several excellent points here. michele , your post last Night seems like you felt quite opposite of the way you've decided to go toDay. Thus, I don't feel you've explained your actions well since all of this ' rich said this and that' had already come to light and you said clearly you were still 'leaning toward amykb'. So, now does it make sense that I am asking you what has changed your mind since then? And why your 'explanation' doesn't seem to satisfy? I really don't know how to properly fix this multiquote without breaking it, so the stuff that didn't make it belongs to Suburban and I start in with 'As I was saying...'. Link to original post for reference so you can see where I come in if anyone is confused yet lol: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1995&page=2#96619
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 18:14:18 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 18:14:18 GMT -5
Total Ulla, as played by Hal Briston. And still voting for Starrirain. Umm...yeeees? I know I'm not a detective any longer, but I was still quite clear about my starrirain suspicions. Old me never got a chance to investigate her, so I'm not working with any ill-gotten knowledge. So why shouldn't I be voting for her? I can't say what it was that cause Ulla to drop, but whatever it was, I don't see how it effects this vote. Except if Ullz was scum, then I'd say you've returned with an abundance of 'ill-gotten knowledge.' Ullz/Hal v2 remain unconfirmed. The better question remains, why SHOULD you be voting for me? Suspicions aside, I've yet to hear actual reasons, other than 'what's really crazy is how precise starrirain has been.' You said yesterDay that: '"Follow the cop" is a distinct possibility -- we've already seen it, unfortunately -- but people are still going to follow other paths of suspicion as well. We've seen that, too.' So you don't find it odd that people are still doing this? You did say it was unfortunate in the first place. Town should be encouraging others to gather information and analyze it themselves, not to follow whatever anyone says. Why does no one need reasons anymore? If I had known suspicions were enough, I wouldn't have worked so hard to catch scum by analyzing their posts
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 18:20:05 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 18:20:05 GMT -5
-bleached- Geez, not even a 'me too'? This is making it easier to leave you on my unconfirmed list. We are in D13, by now you should know to post SOMETHING! That goes for EVERYONE!
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 18:26:19 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 18:26:19 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I'm not done, but I have rl things to do like take medicine and help my daughter get ready for bed and practice her reading. I'll see you all again soon Sorry for mass posts, but this is gonna make it easier to sift through now and later.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 23:23:47 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Jul 24, 2012 23:23:47 GMT -5
Starrirain - If I hadn't already voted for you, I sure would be after reading all your posts for today - They say scum to me - You want to know why everyone has voted for you. - I voted for you at first because of your knowledge and always being right as town i'm not even at 50%. But now all the time and posts yelling why me why not amy - you have worked harder today (Day 13) to save your own A$% then all the other days and posts total. To me that is scummy, and if I'm wrong I'm sorry but I'm not changing my vote.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 0:26:41 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 25, 2012 0:26:41 GMT -5
Starrirain - If I hadn't already voted for you, I sure would be after reading all your posts for today - They say scum to me - You want to know why everyone has voted for you. - I voted for you at first because of your knowledge and always being right as town i'm not even at 50%. But now all the time and posts yelling why me why not amy - you have worked harder today (Day 13) to save your own A$% then all the other days and posts total. To me that is scummy, and if I'm wrong I'm sorry but I'm not changing my vote. Honesty, it reads as frustrated townie trying to save her ass from being lynched. Star, I do feel that you are town, and because of that: Vote: Amy I am also pointing a finger of suspicion at Wombat. Pointing out star's record, while a good idea, just screams that you could possibly be scum. That, and it seems to me that your attitude changed since Night 11 when you pointed it out
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 0:50:29 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 25, 2012 0:50:29 GMT -5
Vote amykb
I think that Star is a frustrated Townie and is just answering questions one at a time. The case against her is that she has been right too often? Hasn't anyone else noticed that she has delved into the players posts that she found scummy and that she has made a very good case on amykb. I had a look at all of amykb's posts to see if Star was right and I found even more posts that I found scummy.
Michele you said that your vote was because Rich said that he would give up if Star was scum, why? I know scum lie and will do all sorts of things to make themselves look good, knowing that Rich was scum that comment shouldn't even be taken into consideration. After 13 Days, all you have to go on is one comment from a scummy scum? I'm not buying it, FOS on MicheleHunter.
I also think that Wombat II needs looking at more closely so there is another FOS from me.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 1:25:26 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 25, 2012 1:25:26 GMT -5
Michele, I have just read all your posts and you were suspicious of amykb for Days, why the sudden switch from someone you wanted to lycnh to someone you haven't mentioned before? Was that because you knew it was safe to vote amykb seeing as no one else was really interested in lynching her. Just something else that caught my eye as I was reading I am town yet again, I can't imagine Idle would switch one of us who were town into a scum role, but that's just my take on things. I can't I was Scum...I know too much ;D Is this saying that there were no scum to replace? anyone else feel that way? This just feels like a contradiction, of course lianne couldn't replace a Townie but a Townie could replace a scum.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 6:55:35 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 25, 2012 6:55:35 GMT -5
NETA: But first things first, let's make sure Starrirain is scum first. You're accusing me of PIS regarding Starrirain; it's not PIS - I'm just pretty darn sure that she's scum. SNIP And how else do we get that confirmation?)
This is my exact point. How else does Town know someone's alignment before a Mod Reveal? If you were scum, this would be a First thing First, and not a Last thing Last. Why state that it needs to be a first thing first, in the first place? I just want to know for sure if Starrirain is scum. That's the first domino to fall, if you will. Then we can look at everyone she was "suspicious" of or "pinged" her, and other pieces start falling in to place.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 7:07:34 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 25, 2012 7:07:34 GMT -5
By lynching her and having her alignment revealed. I feel like you're asking another question here but I'm missing it. Except, my VT alignment won't tell you much about who scum really is, only that my intentions were always pure. Not to mention, you still haven't removed yourself enough from your bias of me to consider what will happen when I flip Town. Why not make sure amykb is scum first? What will happen if you flip Town? The same thing that happens when anyone is mislynched, I guess; we take that information we have gained and continue playing the game. But I really don't think that's going to happen.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 7:10:15 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 25, 2012 7:10:15 GMT -5
Starrirain - If I hadn't already voted for you, I sure would be after reading all your posts for today - They say scum to me - You want to know why everyone has voted for you. - I voted for you at first because of your knowledge and always being right as town i'm not even at 50%. But now all the time and posts yelling why me why not amy - you have worked harder today (Day 13) to save your own A$% then all the other days and posts total. To me that is scummy, and if I'm wrong I'm sorry but I'm not changing my vote. Honesty, it reads as frustrated townie trying to save her ass from being lynched. Star, I do feel that you are town, and because of that: Vote: Amy [/color] I am also pointing a finger of suspicion at Wombat. Pointing out star's record, while a good idea, just screams that you could possibly be scum. That, and it seems to me that your attitude changed since Night 11 when you pointed it out[/quote] You're suspicious of me for doing something that you think is a good idea?
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 10:09:24 GMT -5
Post by annetastic on Jul 25, 2012 10:09:24 GMT -5
starrirain yes I did read your post and your case on amykb and no, I must admit I am not putting enough into this game as I cannot get my head round it as you seem to have but I maintain my vote on you ... if you do turn out town I will drop out and you can take my place as you are much better at it than I am !!
In my real life I am often told I am too trusting and don't read between the lines, perhaps this is why I am no good at this game, obviously you need a distrust of what people say to be successful at it ....
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 10:45:20 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jul 25, 2012 10:45:20 GMT -5
I agree Star appears to be a Townie and yes, begging for life. Although I am concerned she may be SCUM too, so I figure ... Ok townies do we vote for Starrirain or Amykb? Vote Amykband maybe vote Star tomorrow, That being said... I am also looking at Michele and think Silver nailed it. Michele, I have just read all your posts and you were suspicious of amykb for Days, why the sudden switch from someone you wanted to lycnh to someone you haven't mentioned before? Was that because you knew it was safe to vote amykb seeing as no one else was really interested in lynching her. Just something else that caught my eye as I was reading Michele, I have just read all your posts and you were suspicious of amykb for Days, why the sudden switch from someone you wanted to lycnh to someone you haven't mentioned before? Was that because you knew it was safe to vote amykb seeing as no one else was really interested in lynching her. Just something else that caught my eye as I was reading I am town yet again, I can't imagine Idle would switch one of us who were town into a scum role, but that's just my take on things. Is this saying that there were no scum to replace? anyone else feel that way? This just feels like a contradiction, of course lianne couldn't replace a Townie but a Townie could replace a scum. So, Ulla I have to put you on my list. Which means, except for the confirms, I think I need to take a step back from "Hal", and look closely at Ulla, and that starts with the "right out of the box" jump on Star. Not that I doubt "Hal" thought Star is SCUM, but from the possibility that Ulla is SCUM.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 12:47:08 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 25, 2012 12:47:08 GMT -5
Honesty, it reads as frustrated townie trying to save her ass from being lynched. Star, I do feel that you are town, and because of that: Vote: Amy [/color] I am also pointing a finger of suspicion at Wombat. Pointing out star's record, while a good idea, just screams that you could possibly be scum. That, and it seems to me that your attitude changed since Night 11 when you pointed it out[/quote] You're suspicious of me for doing something that you think is a good idea? [/quote] Good idea, yes. Execution of said idea, very bad. You weren't a target at all for scum to kill, they're focusing on killing off Hal and the confirmed list. That, with the change that I seem to see in your play style, is why I am suspicious.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 13:53:40 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 25, 2012 13:53:40 GMT -5
Does anybody have a case against starrirain that doesn't hinge on "she's been too good at identifying Scum...it's just not believable"?
I know I laid out that case myself late yesterDay. But when it comes down to it, I just can't bring myself to vote for her based on that reason alone.
I think that amykb has played more like Scum, and I'm also quite suspicious of michelehunter, and also somewhat of wombat99.
Since it seems to be a two-horse race at the moment, right now I will
Vote: amykb
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 14:40:54 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 25, 2012 14:40:54 GMT -5
Sorry to tell you SilverJan you are still awful at this game, I am town. but on a much more important note OGC I received some very bad news today my dad is now in what they consider the comfort zone, they are taking him off all his meds and just giving him morphine hourly. I am heading up to see him tomorrow before I leave on Friday. You guys can lynch me or maybe I'll get night killed I don't know, but I am done here, sorry I'll message Chris and see if he wants to replace me if I survive. I am wishing town the best and when I get a chance I'll be checking in to see how town has done. Sorry but I was playing a different version of this game when my mom was killed in a horrific car accident and I just can't do it this time, the pain is too raw. Thanks for understanding and sorry Chris, but right now there are too many real life things happening for me to focus properly on the game.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 14:59:55 GMT -5
Post by lauriern on Jul 25, 2012 14:59:55 GMT -5
OGC I received some very bad news today my dad is now in what they consider the comfort zone, they are taking him off all his meds and just giving him morphine hourly. I am heading up to see him tomorrow before I leave on Friday. You guys can lynch me or maybe I'll get night killed I don't know, but I am done here, sorry I'll message Chris and see if he wants to replace me if I survive. I am wishing town the best and when I get a chance I'll be checking in to see how town has done. Sorry but I was playing a different version of this game when my mom was killed in a horrific car accident and I just can't do it this time, the pain is too raw. Thanks for understanding and sorry Chris, but right now there are too many real life things happening for me to focus properly on the game. I'm so sorry, Michele. I hope he finds his way peacefully <3
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 15:07:46 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jul 25, 2012 15:07:46 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear about your Father, sending prayers your way.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 15:35:33 GMT -5
Post by annetastic on Jul 25, 2012 15:35:33 GMT -5
Sorry to hear your news Michelle but real life is more important than any game you go be with your family xxx
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 18:30:23 GMT -5
Post by AmyKay on Jul 25, 2012 18:30:23 GMT -5
starrirain - you wanted me to answer your questions from yesterDay. I see one about my own definition of a smudge. that answer is below. from what I've come to understand, a smudge is when you point out something another person did/said but don't you're not acting like you're actually suspicious. kinda like someone trying to sneak something in to plant suspicion in the mind of others. stemming from that, you and I don't agree, because of your countless "examples" of me smudging people when they're statements designed to point the FOS, not one-offs in the mix. and, to answer your stuff from toDay: nope, I didn't go back and look through rich's stuff before voting toDay. why not? because you ping me more than anything at the moment, and as you yourself (and many others) have done, you have to follow your strongest Scum lead first. my case against you is NOT the "she's too perfect" one. or the "follow the ghost of Hal" one. mine is that you're bussing and are out of people to bus. so, as my case has nothing to do with your smudges (or alleged lack thereof), why should I go through your posts to note all of them? nope, no pity needed. we all have a different amount of time we can dedicate to this game, and, lately, you've been eating mine. I think that explains where my time has been going quite well. and, no, not "begging for my life." if you think that's what the two final sentences of my voting post were, I can't begin to imagine what you consider your last umpteen posts... you more or less beg each voter individually to reconsider. and, a question of my own - while I don't know exactly what "spoilers" contain (how do you?), you think rich wants them because you think he thinks you're ALSO a cop? was that supposed to be a soft-claim now that you're in danger of being lynched? because otherwise I'm not sure why you added on to your thought here: 'I’m not willing to take the risk of letting her live.' This is a huge risk for you scum if I stay alive, more time for me to find your remaining buddies. I feel like rich must have been curious if I was a Cop, why else would scum need spoilers? and, a side to michelehunter - I wish you comfort.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 19:00:06 GMT -5
Post by LadyRogue-II on Jul 25, 2012 19:00:06 GMT -5
Strength to you and your family michelehunter may your dad be at peace and in no pain.
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Day 13
Jul 25, 2012 22:15:51 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 25, 2012 22:15:51 GMT -5
So, I think the wagon on Amy is out of nowhere. WAY out of nowhere.
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