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Post by Meeko on Sept 21, 2012 16:32:06 GMT -5
I've read it several times, but I don't understand what you're saying well enough to discuss it. I don't think you're intending to obfuscate like peeker sometimes does, but your thought patterns and/or writing there are not something I comprehend. Sorry. It's ok to admit you we're wrong. The least you can do is back up your claims that I addressed. You satiated you claimed Arkham on N0 ... False. You stated that I said you lied per your claim in Arkham. Please post a link to that, or admit you were wrong.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 21, 2012 16:34:20 GMT -5
I've read it several times, but I don't understand what you're saying well enough to discuss it. I don't think you're intending to obfuscate like peeker sometimes does, but your thought patterns and/or writing there are not something I comprehend. Sorry. Dodging.
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 21, 2012 16:42:16 GMT -5
Either that, or she may have a requirement that she has to post a math problem. I am throwing that out, we are playing a gastard game. People have been lynched for much less. This is weak. Agreed, but at the same time, a goof like changing b's to g's gave us gastard..... Not a far stretch, but I just don't see why someone would put a math problem, besides changing the topic....
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 21, 2012 17:01:43 GMT -5
While we're back on math again, how about this:
Prove or disprove: .999... = 1
;D
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2012 17:48:35 GMT -5
While we're back on math again, how about this: Prove or disprove: .999... = 1 ;D fcs 1/3 + 1/3 =1/3 = 1. 1/3 = .333 ipso fucto .999 = 1. let's at least talk infiniite sums if we are going down the math route. now you prove that any number = 0.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 21, 2012 18:07:01 GMT -5
I was going to ask the moderator at Night who's available for me to investigate. But I don't see why I couldn't ask provisionally. I'll let you know the answer. While you're at it why don't you ask him if YOU can post your N1 results and ask him whether YOU or the MODERATOR paints the theoretical N3 information on the walls.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 21, 2012 18:37:07 GMT -5
While we're back on math again, how about this: Prove or disprove: .999... = 1 ;D fcs 1/3 + 1/3 =1/3 = 1. 1/3 = .333 ipso fucto .999 = 1. let's at least talk infiniite sums if we are going down the math route. now you prove that any number = 0. I don't know if I should break out some match sticks or argue ”2 plus 2 equals 5, for large values of two"
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 21, 2012 19:13:42 GMT -5
If Mahaloth had made a credible claim, I'd be against their lynch, too. But there is clearly something wrong with their claim. Several players (including myself) have articulated precisely what they think is false--the claimed role violates the rules of the game. Given the evidence, it's crazy not to lynch Mahaloth. Well, it is a Gasterd game in some ways, because my role is as stated. I still think I'm playing it more or less correctly, but it is a tough one.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 21, 2012 19:36:33 GMT -5
<snip> Just because it's a coincidence, that doesn't make it false. <snip> You can't assume that, just because something is unlikely, it didn't happen. I agree completely. It is just one data point. Maybe a meaningless one, but one data point nonetheless.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 21, 2012 20:13:34 GMT -5
Hmmmmm after seeing the list of the lowest 20% I was surprised not to find MHaye's name there. He usually posts very little until the end. So I took a walk down memory lane to see what he's posting so much about and most of it is history or strategery in the most general sense. Post 1 Meeko's vote on Pleo is impetuous, needs to review N0. Post 2 Pleo's claim is odd, he's going to lurk and investigate himself, but mainly believes his claim. Post 3 History: sometimes scum don't know each other Post 4 Mafia hunting takes time. Pleo's flip from lurking to posting a lot is unsurprising. Post 5 When to claim detective plus history. Post 6 Towns win con is hostile to these folks. Post 7 An analysis of everyone's vote on Pleo to date except for mine, I feel so left out. Meeko: is not based on anything other than replaying the last game Guiri: Based on Pleo's PM so has more solid grounding Colby: Thinks his claim is fishy Red Skeezix: Reason is now invalid because Pleo un-lurked himself. KidV: perfectly viable approach Post 8 History Post 9 History Trying not to get investigated by Pleo, whom he believes is the anti-lurker? FOS MHaye
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 21, 2012 20:39:16 GMT -5
I was going to ask the moderator at Night who's available for me to investigate. But I don't see why I couldn't ask provisionally. I'll let you know the answer. While you're at it why don't you ask him if YOU can post your N1 results and ask him whether YOU or the MODERATOR paints the theoretical N3 information on the walls. Already asked publicly and not answered. And as per the rules, any question not answered publicly will not be answered privately either.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 21, 2012 20:52:44 GMT -5
While you're at it why don't you ask him if YOU can post your N1 results and ask him whether YOU or the MODERATOR paints the theoretical N3 information on the walls. Already asked publicly and not answered. And as per the rules, any question not answered publicly will not be answered privately either. Is this true or did I miss something. I thought that mods routinely answered questions asked by folks about their own PM's. I am asking Pleo to ask about his PM. I asked him if he had asked before and he said it wasn't necessary since he, Pleo, totally understood how his role worked without any input from the mod. I on the other hand am not convinced his role, as claimed, works the way he thinks it does.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 21, 2012 21:05:27 GMT -5
I'm assuming Pleo won't be answered, but who knows.
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Post by Parzival on Sept 21, 2012 21:24:41 GMT -5
Mahaloth, are you still planning on using your kill if you live tonight? If so, can you give a good reason why?
I'm seeing some of the logic behind the votes for Pleonast today, but Mahaloth seems like an actual danger to town players. Yes, there's a small chance he he'll hit scum or other non-Town, but I think it's slight. Certainly more than any unknown threat that Pleonast poses.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 21, 2012 21:40:42 GMT -5
Silly humans 2+2=window
This debate is playing into Pleo’s hands- as usual If you disregard the white noise- who sounds scummy?
I had a post ½ prepared but sinjin got there first.
MHaye is in my notes as playing ‘safe’ or sounding that way in print
Vote: Vote Merestil Haye
sinjin is in my notes as a possible non-town – but a FOS bus is a bus on a player that is not considered for a lynch
I’m not done for the weekend- but I am in me cups- I’lll be back
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Post by Silver Jan on Sept 22, 2012 2:35:09 GMT -5
Vote Mahaloth I am also voting him because he said he was going to kill someone on N1. That just gave me goosebumps. With so little information he wants to kill someone and that person would most likely be Town. I will make a Townie-sided kill to the best of my suspicion This is a horrible idea, why would you do this? You have a one-shot kill, and you're going to expend it firing into a crowd rather than wait until you have a decent read on someone? I can't believe that a desire to help Town win is motivating this behavior. Vote mahaloth i don't understand this line of reasoning. how many times have we had games that have had true vigs and didn't blink an eyelash when they killed a player every Night. now you're complaining about one kill? the words sound townie but inconsistent with previous games. Vote Silver JanVote KidVermiciousSeriously! Voting me for voting for someone that is a threat to Town. Usually Vigs have to kill at Night, Mahaloth has a one-shot kill and he seems to really want to use it on N1 or is it just a lazy metgaming vote?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 22, 2012 4:34:15 GMT -5
Hmmmmm after seeing the list of the lowest 20% I was surprised not to find MHaye's name there. He usually posts very little until the end. So I took a walk down memory lane to see what he's posting so much about and most of it is history or strategery in the most general sense. Believe it or not, my play has a little more variance than that. There have been games when I've outposted the majority on Day 1, some even recently; usually I become a little quieter on Day 2 or 3. I think (I'm not big on introspection) that I tend to make posts on history without waiting for second read, but my votes and analysis do wait until I've read at least twice. I was actually quite surprised I wasn't in the bottom 20% list - my PC doesn't work with the buttons on Proboards sites, and I haven't been able to check in-thread postcounts for years. (I also have to post to bookmark nowadays; that's more recent. It makes me grumpy,) I decided not to change how I would otherwise play because of Pleo's claim.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 22, 2012 6:45:18 GMT -5
I still think I'm playing it more or less correctly, Do you? How many Town players do you think are in the game?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 22, 2012 8:34:58 GMT -5
<snip> i don't understand this line of reasoning. how many times have we had games that have had true vigs and didn't blink an eyelash when they killed a player every Night. now you're complaining about one kill? <snip> Really? When there has been a Vig in the game, Town just ignores the Vig? I would have thought the Vig's win-con hostile to Town's, is it not? I can kind of see Town ignoring the Vig because detecting him or her must be difficult. During the Day, the Vig is no different from Town. He or she has no PIS, has no reason not to hunt Scum, has no Scum buddies.... But surely, if Town knew who the Vig was, they would lynch him or her immediately. Right?
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 22, 2012 8:44:52 GMT -5
Rich, are you confusing Vigilante with Serial Killer? The Vigilante is normally a Town role.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 22, 2012 9:48:44 GMT -5
Rich, are you confusing Vigilante with Serial Killer? The Vigilante is normally a Town role. Yes, I am. Sorry. And thank you for pointing it out. I am still new to this. There still is the difference that the Vig must kill every night and Mahaloth has one kill in the game? Why use your one kill at the moment of least information?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 22, 2012 10:03:28 GMT -5
Vigs come in many flavours and may not have to kill every night. And single-kill roles are not unheard of. That said, of the two claimed roles, Maha's is the one I find most suspicious.
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Post by guiri on Sept 22, 2012 10:12:50 GMT -5
Well, it is a Gasterd game in some ways, because my role is as stated. I still think I'm playing it more or less correctly, but it is a tough one. Correctly? According to your claim you have the power to distinguish between town and non-town, effectively an alignment cop. You just need to refuse the offer to become Town in order to have the power available the following Night. If you investigate non-town, you'll be able to use your kill with 100% certainty that it won't hurt Town. Then, towards N4 or 5, you investigate a known or presumed Town, a mason for example, with the certainty that you'll be offered to become Town and accept. That would be a pretty cool way to play your role. It's not so tough, is it? Can you visit someone with your towel and read someone else Vogon poetry on the same Night? What happens to your towel when you accept a recruitment offer? Do you lose the game if recruited by scum?
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 22, 2012 11:27:52 GMT -5
How many Town players do you think are in the game? No idea.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 22, 2012 12:30:05 GMT -5
There still is the difference that the Vig must kill every night and Mahaloth has one kill in the game? Sometimes the kill is optional, and sometimes it is not. Either Mahaloth doesn't want to lose it owing to death, or he's actually lying - most likely by posting an incomplete role.
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Post by guiri on Sept 22, 2012 12:31:29 GMT -5
No comment? Seriously? Vote Mahalothscum want things to be nice and level. they can hide better and take advantage of any misdirections that crop up. i like to stir the damn pot. certainly it gets me killed at an alarming rate early in games. but i know no other way of creating interaction that ultimately leads to exposure of the bad folks. But no stirring toDay? And no explanation for Deadpool/Ironman? Vote Peeker
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Post by Meeko on Sept 22, 2012 15:32:22 GMT -5
I still think I'm playing it more or less correctly, Do you? How many Town players do you think are in the game? Why do think he would know this? Do you know how many Town are in the game? (As an example of how..... Impossible / strong armed the question is.)
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Post by Meeko on Sept 22, 2012 15:39:00 GMT -5
There still is the difference that the Vig must kill every night and Mahaloth has one kill in the game? Sometimes the kill is optional, and sometimes it is not. Either Mahaloth doesn't want to lose it owing to death, or he's actually lying - most likely by posting an incomplete role. Well there is the general tactic of redacting information for "insurance". There is no such thing as a free lunch. To those who have played a gastard game before: Are the games gastard "all over" or does the game only break one or two rules, preserving the rest? That is to say, can we still trust most of the game, per se. I wonder if this isn't a cover role, provided by the mod, or otherwise.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 22, 2012 15:43:44 GMT -5
Well, it is a Gasterd game in some ways, because my role is as stated. I still think I'm playing it more or less correctly, but it is a tough one. Correctly? According to your claim you have the power to distinguish between town and non-town, effectively an alignment cop. You just need to refuse the offer to become Town in order to have the power available the following Night. If you investigate non-town, you'll be able to use your kill with 100% certainty that it won't hurt Town. Then, towards N4 or 5, you investigate a known or presumed Town, a mason for example, with the certainty that you'll be offered to become Town and accept. That would be a pretty cool way to play your role. It's not so tough, is it? Can you visit someone with your towel and read someone else Vogon poetry on the same Night? What happens to your towel when you accept a recruitment offer? Do you lose the game if recruited by scum? I for one don't follow how the last question would work, Guiri. IIRC, recruitment in this game is optional, with one being recruited getting to choose. Therefore, I can't follow the logic of someone trying to lose. Note this is entirely different from trying to get lynched, which itself is in some cases the win con. You don't lose if you've already won.
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Post by crys on Sept 22, 2012 15:49:10 GMT -5
Assuming he is telling the truth can be a very dangerous assumption lol. Nonsense. If he's not mod-confirmed as non-hostile at the beginning of Day Four, then we will know he's a)lying, or b)blocked/otherwise neutralized, and we kill him then. It's meta, but Pollux is a veteran mod and I trust him not to have designed a game with a role that can win exclusively on Day Four. Finally going back through for a reread because I have some actual time today, but his pm he posted could be absolute hogwash. I still say that pleo's true role/agenda is hidden behind a huge cask of wifom.
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