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Post by crys on Sept 22, 2012 16:37:28 GMT -5
Ok after the reread I am still on the same page as before. I am distrustful of the pm's that were posted. I think there is some information missing from one or both of them so.....
Vote: Pleonast Vote: Mahaloth
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 22, 2012 17:11:23 GMT -5
Well, what a fine mess I've gotten myself into this time. I don't have to use the kill toNight at all. I get one time to use it, but I rather think revealing it will cause me to be killed, so I was planning to use it toNight. My hope was to become Town toNight by having someone visit me, though I may be up for the lynch now and have blown the game for myself on Day One. I do think my role is very hard to play, as it is exactly as posted. Hey, I haven't died on Day One in a couple games, so it's refreshing to know "I've still got it!" If it makes anyone feel better, I'll hold off on the kill until our numbers decrease, but I do request a Town visit me tonight so I can become Town before I die. It's my only shot at winning, obviously. I still do not plan to use my towel toNight, if I survive the Day.Ok after the reread I am still on the same page as before. I am distrustful of the pm's that were posted. I think there is some information missing from one or both of them so..... vote Crys for a lazy set of votes and lazy gameplay. Vote Pleonast - I have no idea about his claim, but I am doing something I know he hates. Making a survival vote to increase his vote count and perhaps save me. May we have a vote count?
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 22, 2012 17:45:36 GMT -5
First, I'm going to rethink my pleo vote, it was strongly based on the rules vs claim point. But I think that might be my misinterpretation. unvote PleonastOk after the reread I am still on the same page as before. I am distrustful of the pm's that were posted. I think there is some information missing from one or both of them so..... Vote: Pleonast Vote: MahalothVoting for both vote leaders, based on the fact that you think info is missing from one of them or possibly both? Why are you hedging? If you think info is missing, what isn't there that you think should be there? vote Crys
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 22, 2012 17:49:26 GMT -5
Sorry, that vote requires more explanation.
Voting for both vote leaders, is the same as not voting. To me it reads like "I know they're not on my team, so I don't care if either gets lynched." Plus like I said in the previous post, that reasoning is teh suck.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 22, 2012 18:07:10 GMT -5
Is anyone else seeing this on 1/2 screen or have I got virus? the right side is black for me
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 22, 2012 19:10:56 GMT -5
Is anyone else seeing this on 1/2 screen or have I got virus? the right side is black for me Just you.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 22, 2012 19:15:58 GMT -5
Is anyone else seeing this on 1/2 screen or have I got virus? the right side is black for me I'm playing this game on 3 different screens depending on the time of day. Would hope my iPad doesn't have a virus
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Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 22, 2012 19:16:00 GMT -5
Day 1 Updated Vote Count
mahaloth (13 votes) - scathach, Pleonast, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Suburban Plankton, sinjin, Parzival, Silver Jan, KidVermicious, richbeckman, storyteller0910, Colby11, guiri, crys Pleonast (7 votes) - Suburban Plankton, LaurieRN, KidVermicious, scathach, Meeko, crys, mahaloth Colby11 (3 votes) - patricia, storyteller0910, dizzymrslizzy dizzymrslizzy (2 votes) - Red Skeezix, Askthepizzaguy Inner Stickler (2 votes) - Parzival, Meeko crys (2 votes) - mahaloth, Red Skeezix CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1 vote) - peekercpa sinjin (1 vote) - Pleonast patricia (1 vote) - Colby11 Parzival (1 vote) - Sister Coyote Silver Jan (1 vote) - gnarlycharlie KidVermicious (1 vote) - gnarlycharlie Merestil Haye (1 vote) - Lightfoot Peekercpa (1 vote) - guiri
With these votes, mahaloth will be lynched.
Day ends in ~41 hours.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 22, 2012 19:27:32 GMT -5
So this is a gastard game.
Pleonast is claiming, or rather is showing us a role. Truth or not? Who knows. Standard behavior for him? Yes.
Maha is also claiming, or rather is showing us a role. Truth or not? Who knows. Standard behavior for him? Not really.
Point to be made that he asked for his role, and he is alleging that he asked for, and got, a role he played in recent memory.
What are the real odds he got the role he wanted? Did other players get the roles they asked for?
Pleonast for better for worse is more to his baseline here than Maha is. This is a gastard game. There are debates that Maha is not being truthful even in his claim as it is.
Who is more likely to be lying / have an ulterior motive with claiming?
Mine remains on Pleonast. Frankly, a mix of policy, and yes, because of the last game. I'm not holding a grudge, as much as Pleonast is holding a grudge on Mafia in general. I'm light years more comfortable with my vote on Pleonast, than on Maha.
One rings true. Both are in a gastard game.
I question Maha's reason to claim, even if I don't question the claim it self.
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Post by crys on Sept 22, 2012 19:55:19 GMT -5
First, I'm going to rethink my pleo vote, it was strongly based on the rules vs claim point. But I think that might be my misinterpretation. unvote PleonastOk after the reread I am still on the same page as before. I am distrustful of the pm's that were posted. I think there is some information missing from one or both of them so..... Vote: Pleonast Vote: MahalothVoting for both vote leaders, based on the fact that you think info is missing from one of them or possibly both? Why are you hedging? If you think info is missing, what isn't there that you think should be there? vote CrysThere is no way that I can possibly put this down in a way that makes complete sense to me much less anyone else however, just from reading my personal pm and the color from the game I find the wording in both of them to be a bit hinky.
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Post by crys on Sept 22, 2012 20:02:14 GMT -5
If it makes anyone feel better, I'll hold off on the kill until our numbers decrease, but I do request a Town visit me tonight so I can become Town before I die. It's my only shot at winning, obviously. I still do not plan to use my towel toNight, if I survive the Day.snipped It does in fact make me feel much better. Several people had asked you if you still planned on using that kill and you had made no response so it made your pm seem even that more suspicious to me. Since you no longer plan on making your kill tonight I will move my vote Unvote Mahaloth
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 22, 2012 20:42:13 GMT -5
If it makes anyone feel better, I'll hold off on the kill until our numbers decrease, but I do request a Town visit me tonight so I can become Town before I die. It's my only shot at winning, obviously. I still do not plan to use my towel toNight, if I survive the Day.snipped It does in fact make me feel much better. Several people had asked you if you still planned on using that kill and you had made no response so it made your pm seem even that more suspicious to me. Since you no longer plan on making your kill tonight I will move my vote Unvote MahalothThanks, I'm just hoping folks haven't just sat back and "settled" on me being the lynch, happily avoiding their own death.
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Post by Parzival on Sept 22, 2012 20:56:57 GMT -5
Well, I'm relieved by the promise not to kill. A vig often does more harm than good. I'm not sure I trust the claim, but it's enough to make me hold off on a vote.
unvote Mahaloth
As for where that vote goes... I'm not entirely convinced on the case against Pleonast. I'd still like to look for scum. crys is looking more and more suspicious as time goes by, what with the recent weak vote for the leaders. I'd like to look closer before deciding on a vote.
Getting back to Inner Stickler, it wouldn't have bothered me to have someone say "my win condition" as an unqualified phrase. Specifying it, in a situation when everyone is going to either claim it or third party smacks of trying to fit in. This early in the game I'm looking for people who seem more natural in a town role and those who seem to be faking it. Some of those minor slips in typing can reveal a mindset.
You've also seemed somewhat more confident, especially about Pleonast. Confidence in general might betray someone who has more knowledge (scum) than the rest of us.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 22, 2012 21:15:06 GMT -5
You've [Inner Stickler] also seemed somewhat more confident, especially about Pleonast. Confidence in general might betray someone who has more knowledge (scum) than the rest of us. Scum are not necessarily the only individuals privy to perfect information or information that is not available to a hypothetical vanilla Townie.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 22, 2012 21:30:32 GMT -5
I appreciate the stated intent not to use his alleged one-shot kill Tonight, but I still have problems with Mahaloth's PM and timing of the claim. My vote stands.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 22, 2012 22:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by Meeko on Sept 23, 2012 0:11:10 GMT -5
KidVicious what say you to this?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 23, 2012 0:15:26 GMT -5
Wait. I thought Mahaloth was a vig?
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 3:12:58 GMT -5
So, I thought I was in the clear, but all this unvoting of Mahaloth has me very nervous now. I, ah, may have a few extra votes hiding on me and I would just love it if whoever we decided to lynch had a whole bunch of votes on them. Like, say, more than 13...
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Post by BillMc on Sept 23, 2012 4:03:32 GMT -5
If it makes anyone feel better, I'll hold off on the kill until our numbers decrease, but I do request a Town visit me tonight so I can become Town before I die. It's my only shot at winning, obviously. I still do not plan to use my towel toNight, if I survive the Day.So if you use your towel and actively seek town - then you've probably got a >60% chance of finding town, without any other townie doing anything. Asking a townie to visit you however, leaves it open to being watched, redirected, whatever. I really don't get why you want to be passive and have someone else visit you. As for not killing tonight - that's a positive. However, what do you think the non-town elements will do about the possibility of a 3rd party one shot vig becoming a town one shot vig tonight? Which takes me back to your earlier post 2. I need a Townie to visit(use their power on) me. That makes me officially Town. Protection would be gosh-darn nice, but I guess anything would work. Since you said at that time you were going to use the kill, why on earth would someone protect you? since you would now be vanilla? Of course, now that you say you aren't going to use it, you are looking to be protected - exposing the doc to watchers etc But the thing that gets me most about your PM, is that it says nothing about what happens after you become town. If you are already town, you can't be given the option to join town if you visit town, or town visits you? I don't see Pollux leaving such a lose end in a role.. Of course, if you don't get lynched, you could resolve the other open issue and kill Pleo tonight But, your PM has many inconsistencies, which I just don't buy Vote: Mahaloth
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Post by guiri on Sept 23, 2012 4:53:42 GMT -5
Do you lose the game if recruited by scum? I for one don't follow how the last question would work, Guiri. Yeah, he can disregard that question. I was fishing to see if his real PM made any reference to recruitment attempts by scum. To me it reads like "I know they're not on my team, so I don't care if either gets lynched." Plus like I said in the previous post, that reasoning is teh suck. I agree that the "missing info from one or both" is weak reasoning but I have no issue with this part. So, I thought I was in the clear, but all this unvoting of Mahaloth has me very nervous now. I, ah, may have a few extra votes hiding on me and I would just love it if whoever we decided to lynch had a whole bunch of votes on them. Like, say, more than 13... You bid 13 votes for the mercenary? Did you win or was there a draw? Care to explain why you bid 13 votes and why you were willing to risk the lynch? Did you see Rich's quote and Meeko's question?
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 5:13:42 GMT -5
12 votes, and I picked up one somewhere from somebody else, so I'm at 13 and have the tiebreaker. I have no idea if I tied with anybody, and I honestly didn't expect that bid to be too high... IME, most Day One lynches are a runaway bandwagon. This time Pleo and Mahaloth are splitting the bandwagon votes (and the rest of them too!) and leading to vote totals lower than I expected, so it sucks to be me . Rich made the kind of idle speculation I make frequently, and I frequently post it just so that it's there in-thread. When I do that, I don't expect anyone to answer me, there's nothing they can say, just as there's nothing I can say to Rich, nor does it appear that he expected anything from me. He saw a thing, he wonders if it's a minor scum tell. Is there more than one response to that? Regarding Meeko, I'm skimming him, and that includes pompous questions he posts just to hear himself talk. I think the dude watches too much Perry Como.
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Post by Silver Jan on Sept 23, 2012 5:15:21 GMT -5
First, I'm going to rethink my pleo vote, it was strongly based on the rules vs claim point. But I think that might be my misinterpretation. unvote PleonastOk after the reread I am still on the same page as before. I am distrustful of the pm's that were posted. I think there is some information missing from one or both of them so..... Vote: Pleonast Vote: MahalothVoting for both vote leaders, based on the fact that you think info is missing from one of them or possibly both? Why are you hedging? If you think info is missing, what isn't there that you think should be there? vote CrysSorry, that vote requires more explanation. Voting for both vote leaders, is the same as not voting. To me it reads like "I know they're not on my team, so I don't care if either gets lynched." Plus like I said in the previous post, that reasoning is teh suck. I think I agree with your point of view. Why bother voting if you are just bandwagoning and either lynch is OK with you? KidV, Suburban Plankton and scathach are also voting for both lynch leaders.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 5:24:36 GMT -5
I think I agree with your point of view. Why bother voting if you are just bandwagoning and either lynch is OK with you? KidV, Suburban Plankton and scathach are also voting for both lynch leaders. In spite of my conflict of interest, I'm lucky in that both of my votes are legit. I really do think those two are the best candidates for lynch Today. That doesn't mean I won't vote in the interest of self-preservation if I have to, but so far I don't need to make that choice.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 23, 2012 5:35:18 GMT -5
12 votes, and I picked up one somewhere from somebody else, so I'm at 13 and have the tiebreaker. I have no idea if I tied with anybody, and I honestly didn't expect that bid to be too high.... Uh? you're at 13?
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Post by guiri on Sept 23, 2012 6:25:00 GMT -5
12 votes, and I picked up one somewhere from somebody else, so I'm at 13 and have the tiebreaker. I have no idea if I tied with anybody, and I honestly didn't expect that bid to be too high... IME, most Day One lynches are a runaway bandwagon. This time Pleo and Mahaloth are splitting the bandwagon votes (and the rest of them too!) and leading to vote totals lower than I expected, so it sucks to be me . Could you tell me which games you have played where there's been a runaway bandwagon on D1? IME that's a rarity, not the norm. I suspect you have other, nefarious, reasons to be willing to place such a high bid to gain control over the mercenary toNight. You are currently the unofficial lynch leader, up against a claimed non-town investigative recruitable one-shot killer, why should anyone save you?
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Post by BillMc on Sept 23, 2012 6:28:20 GMT -5
12 votes, and I picked up one somewhere from somebody else, so I'm at 13 and have the tiebreaker. I have no idea if I tied with anybody, and I honestly didn't expect that bid to be too high.... Uh? you're at 13? ahh, you're claiming you put in a 12 vote bid for the merc
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 6:45:25 GMT -5
Correct, Bill.
Guiri, I didn't feel that a bid of less than half the players in the game was unreasonable. Could you help me understand what you think the amount that I bid has to do with my motives for hiring the Mercenary? He can do more than kill, you know.
As for why anyone should save me, I'll leave that up to individual voters. I see a guy who has claimed 3rd party with the ability to confirm himself as non-hostile that he's decided not to use, I see another guy who has claimed 3rd party with PM that appears to be edited, and I see me. The guy that hired the Mercenary. I know folks are jumpy Day One, and maybe if we have different definitions of risk my bid might seem high to you, and thus suspicious. But does that make me any more suspicious than anybody else?
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Post by scáthach on Sept 23, 2012 7:16:09 GMT -5
But does that make me any more suspicious than anybody else? Well, certainly not any less really. You haven't claimed at all. I know it's an odd sort of situation as you're tied for lynch because of your night actions rather than for people finding you suspicious - but if you're lynch leader you're lynch leader, and asking people to vote for Maha or Pleo for no other reason than to save you, currently a complete unknown quantity isn't really going to fly. Not to mention that you have control of the mercenary tonight, and with a large number of votes - which makes you even more of a loose cannon. We don't even know what the powers are for whatever "tier" you're on with your bid.
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Post by guiri on Sept 23, 2012 7:21:33 GMT -5
Guiri, I didn't feel that a bid of less than half the players in the game was unreasonable. Could you help me understand what you think the amount that I bid has to do with my motives for hiring the Mercenary? He can do more than kill, you know. I didn't say it was unreasonable, I questioned your assertion that most D1 lynches are runaway bandwagons. I think a bid of 12 was reckless but if you were willing to risk needing to claim in order to save yourself from the lynch, you must have had strong motivation to hire the mecenary. Scum, or any group of collaborating players, can confidently bid higher than players operating on their own - a couple of extra votes on a bandwagon, especially when there's no visible attempt to save another player, can go unnoticed. Controlling the mercenary brings benefit and could greatly increase the information gap between scum and town. Kill? We only know that the mercenary can do a light protection or a light investigation, no mention of kills. Are you now claiming to be an unknown entity in control of at least one kill? Wouldn't you find that suspicious? What other actions does the mercenary offer? Are there any know side effects? Would it be in Town's best interest to ensure we win the mercenary every Night from now on (by agreeing on a quorum, assigning the power to a specific player each Day, deciding the action to be used, and lynching anyone who outbids the official bidder or votes beyond the quorum, for example)?
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