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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 3, 2012 10:01:26 GMT -5
Well terrific, now we have 3 out of 5 townies outted and or lynched/killed. That really is special. What a effed up day.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 3, 2012 10:49:39 GMT -5
<FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> I am not entirely comfortable with my power seeing that I am town. If I was to stop a lynch, how would I know if they were scum or not. I don't want to save a scum and I don't have a magic ball to see people's alignment... I don't trust a claim 100% until it is mod confirmed and well at that point my powers are useless. It seems to me there are plenty of times when it is not so clear cut that the lynchee is a Scum. If a Day is coming to an end and you feel strongly that the lynchee is Town, you have the power to give them a day to convince people they are. I can imagine a game where you never use this power, and I can imagine a game where you use it frequently. I can imagine the latter both benefiting Town greatly, and hurting Town greatly. Read that again, Rich. She can give herself a Day to convince the rest of us that the person in question is Town, but that person cannot themselves post.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 11:04:06 GMT -5
<snip> Read that again, Rich. She can give herself a Day to convince the rest of us that the person in question is Town, but that person cannot themselves post. Ummmm..... Emphasis added. Unless I lost my grasp of the language overnight (and I would never discount that possibility out of hand)...
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2012 11:09:57 GMT -5
I will be 60 in 30. Can anyone top that? Per the bunnies and the "tim" role, iirc ....it said to avoid bunnies. I was wondering if this was a post restriction of sorts, that "Tim" couldn't use the bunny smiley. and maybe i am obtuse but i just read it as being from the movie. Let me take two steps back first. So I have this idea for a role, but I think it to be more impossible than the bingo caller. The Headhunter. You must quote another player's post that contains a graphic smiley. You must do this for each smiley. If this is done, you win the game. (Again this is an idea for a role, I do not have this role in this game.)I've had this idea for a while now. Reading the entire thing of bunnies had me think about this idea again. I wondered if the role wasn't a restriction, that the poster couldn't use the bunny smiley, or quote it. I saw the entire thing about bunnies, and was wondering why it was separate. Yes I know the entire vampire bunny thing, and Monty python etc. It is from the movie, but that doesn't mean it's not important for another reason.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 11:10:14 GMT -5
Well terrific, now we have 3 out of 5 townies outted and or lynched/killed. That really is special. What a effed up day. What does this mean? What do you mean by "outed"? Unless I've missed something or I misunderstand "outed", I see only one out of five, Ginger.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 3, 2012 11:17:20 GMT -5
Or I had reading comprehension fail as I haven't had any caffeine this morning. As far as "outed": Two dead town + the reveal toNight (assuming we believe Ginger) = three outed townies.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 11:21:18 GMT -5
Or I had reading comprehension fail as I haven't had any caffeine this morning. As far as "outed": Two dead town + the reveal toNight (assuming we believe Ginger) = three outed townies. Yes, but she said "three out of five" and I understand that the five number is after the two who are dead. Hence my confusion.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 3, 2012 11:35:57 GMT -5
SAMPLE TOWN ROLE PM:Name: IcemanAlignment: Town Designation: Hostile Role: Vanilla I don't normally post in night-threads because of a rather nasty past experience, but this sort of jumped out at me. A little editing error?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 3, 2012 12:02:36 GMT -5
Or I had reading comprehension fail as I haven't had any caffeine this morning. As far as "outed": Two dead town + the reveal toNight (assuming we believe Ginger) = three outed townies. Yes, but she said "three out of five" and I understand that the five number is after the two who are dead. Hence my confusion. Yes you are right. Two dead and one outted. I mixed up five alive at the moment and that the two who died yesterDay weren't included in those five. Hadn't had my coffee yet.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 12:21:19 GMT -5
SAMPLE TOWN ROLE PM:Name: IcemanAlignment: Town Designation: Hostile Role: Vanilla I don't normally post in night-threads because of a rather nasty past experience, but this sort of jumped out at me. A little editing error? Yeah I caught that too.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 3, 2012 12:21:22 GMT -5
Nope, Red Skeezix already tried that I do not understand this. Given the bunny, I guess you are joking. But joking or not I have no idea to what you are referring. When did Red Skeezix try that? It was a joke, but perhaps it was a bit too subtle... Inner Stickler had written "If I'm to be held accountable, then I think I should get the final say in who you vote for then.". That called to my mind an old quote from Red Skeezix, which has been forever immortalized in Sister Coyote's signature on this forum: "Yes, I do think that other players should vote for who I think is the scummiest." I was drawing a parallel between the two, that's all. FTR, I have no idea when it was that Red said that; I suspect it was at some point during my 3 or 4 year sabbatical.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 12:22:34 GMT -5
Quoting quotes is such a pain the tookus.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 3, 2012 12:24:56 GMT -5
I think he said it over on Giraffe somewhere. I could go back through my PMs on both fora, because I asked his permission to use it as a quote.
And I got it, if that makes you feel any better.
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Post by lauriern on Oct 3, 2012 12:36:21 GMT -5
Its actually today now Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards Oops! I hope it went well
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 3, 2012 12:39:31 GMT -5
So we've had two claims Tonight.
crys claims to be a Nonhostile Third Party, but freely admits to having edited her PM.
JustBeingGinger claims to be Town, but appears to have edited her PM since her Designation is wrong.
I could go either way on crys. It's fairly obvious that something has been snipped from her role description (even if she hadn't announced it ahead of time). The only question is whether or not the deletion was benign as she claims, or if she also added a "Non-" to her designation.
JustBeingGinger's apparent 'stealth-edit' is initially more alarming simply because she tried to hide it. But if we assume that she is non-Town, and that she forgot to change her Designation when she changed her Alignment, that means she's really a Non-Hostile Third Party. If she were Scum, her Designation would have already been 'Hostile'.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 3, 2012 12:50:24 GMT -5
To Crys- I assume you edited something regarding your first power. I think you should try to stay alive, because that is the best way for you to stay alive. If there is a town recruiter, i would assume that they should do that.. And to test Meeko's idea...
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 13:02:56 GMT -5
So we've had two claims Tonight. crys claims to be a Nonhostile Third Party, but freely admits to having edited her PM. JustBeingGinger claims to be Town, but appears to have edited her PM since her Designation is wrong. I could go either way on crys. It's fairly obvious that something has been snipped from her role description (even if she hadn't announced it ahead of time). The only question is whether or not the deletion was benign as she claims, or if she also added a "Non-" to her designation. JustBeingGinger's apparent 'stealth-edit' is initially more alarming simply because she tried to hide it. But if we assume that she is non-Town, and that she forgot to change her Designation when she changed her Alignment, that means she's really a Non-Hostile Third Party. If she were Scum, her Designation would have already been 'Hostile'. The worst case scenario: Ginger is Hostile 3rd Party and did a complete rewrite of her PM once Pleo made her name public. Maybe there is a history to the role that makes Non-Hostile more likely, but when I saw the Judge, Jury, and Executioner I just assumed Hostile 3rd party. In this, the worst case scenario, one has to give her credit for a very good fake PM. Is it credible that Ginger could pull that off? Against the worst case scenario...she did all that great rewriting and then blew the Hostile/Non-hostile designation?? If she is a Non-Hostile Third Party, why not just claim that? What is the motivation for covering it up? It's always the cover up that gets you.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 3, 2012 13:20:43 GMT -5
If she is a Non-Hostile Third Party, why not just claim that? What is the motivation for covering it up? My guess for the answer to that question would be a twofold reason: First, that "Judge, Jury, and Executioner" just sounds hostile, so people would probably not believe her is the said the was a Non-Hostile Third-Party. And second, that Pleonast claimed Non-Hostile, and look where that got him... Of course, it's also quite possible that she misunderstood how the Designation system works (I know I had my own problems with it), and assumed that Town was Non-Hostile, so she edited that part as well as her Alignment. She has been furiously playing catch-up since she joined us, so it's plausible that she would have made that mistake.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 13:28:00 GMT -5
<snip> My guess for the answer to that question would be a twofold reason: First, that "Judge, Jury, and Executioner" just sounds hostile <snip> Yes, indeed. I was already planning to vote for her right out of the Dawn. Now it is a muddle.
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 13:28:11 GMT -5
To Crys- I assume you edited something regarding your first power. I think you should try to stay alive, because that is the best way for you to stay alive. If there is a town recruiter, i would assume that they should do that.. And to test Meeko's idea... Well I tried to do that but then forgot to remove the line from the 2nd power giving anyone with an ounce of grey matter an idea of what it could have been. So the part of the first power I removed stated that if I stayed in I wouldn't be able to be nightkilled. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by wombat99 on Oct 3, 2012 13:32:33 GMT -5
Both Crys's and Ginger's PMs say they cannot bid on the mercenary. Maybe only Town or Non-hostile 3rd party can bid and scum can't.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 14:05:52 GMT -5
The first time you were in a mafia game, you were saddled with those stupid Gastards... Hey!
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 14:06:57 GMT -5
Both Crys's and Ginger's PMs say they cannot bid on the mercenary. Maybe only Town or Non-hostile 3rd party can bid and scum can't. Maybe, but it would be foolish to assume that. I like the idea someone posted earlier of fixing the voting so that no one gets more than one vote (although I do think this would be an exercise in herding cats). We could designate that instead of voting in blue, we choose in teal. [teal] Choose Pleonast [/teal] We keep track of the votes ourselves and near EOD, someone casts a single vote for the leader. Any Scum who bid on the Mercenary ends up lynched. Of course, this also deprives Town of the Merc. And if we actually were to do this, we should start on Day Four since there may be a Town who has already placed a winning bid this Night.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 14:11:48 GMT -5
The other problem is that's a process very vulnerable to manipulation. Should the scum get in a position where they're just a mislynch away from their win, it'd be very easy to vote rush.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2012 14:14:28 GMT -5
Both Crys's and Ginger's PMs say they cannot bid on the mercenary. Maybe only Town or Non-hostile 3rd party can bid and scum can't. Maybe, but it would be foolish to assume that. I like the idea someone posted earlier of fixing the voting so that no one gets more than one vote (although I do think this would be an exercise in herding cats). We could designate that instead of voting in blue, we choose in teal. [teal] Choose Pleonast [/teal] We keep track of the votes ourselves and near EOD, someone casts a single vote for the leader. Any Scum who bid on the Mercenary ends up lynched. Of course, this also deprives Town of the Merc. And if we actually were to do this, we should start on Day Four since there may be a Town who has already placed a winning bid this Night. Next, you'll be wanting voter ID laws, and other poll taxes.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 14:25:58 GMT -5
The other problem is that's a process very vulnerable to manipulation. Should the scum get in a position where they're just a mislynch away from their win, it'd be very easy to vote rush. Good point. But then they would be marking themselves as Scum in doing so.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 14:30:19 GMT -5
Maybe, but it would be foolish to assume that. I like the idea someone posted earlier of fixing the voting so that no one gets more than one vote (although I do think this would be an exercise in herding cats). We could designate that instead of voting in blue, we choose in teal. [teal] Choose Pleonast [/teal] We keep track of the votes ourselves and near EOD, someone casts a single vote for the leader. Any Scum who bid on the Mercenary ends up lynched. Of course, this also deprives Town of the Merc. And if we actually were to do this, we should start on Day Four since there may be a Town who has already placed a winning bid this Night. Next, you'll be wanting voter ID laws, and other poll taxes. Meeko, you read my mind. Let's cut to the chase: if you want to vote, send $5.00 per vote to Rich Beckman, 3324 S. 600 E., Marion, IN 46953. (I no longer live there, but I still get mail there.) I'll see that Pollux gets it.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 3, 2012 14:32:29 GMT -5
Oh town vigilante Please be careful where you shoot tonight. We cannot afford any further losses. Kill someone who isnt posting. Interesting pivot.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 14:32:37 GMT -5
The other problem is that's a process very vulnerable to manipulation. Should the scum get in a position where they're just a mislynch away from their win, it'd be very easy to vote rush. Good point. But then they would be marking themselves as Scum in doing so. Wouldn't matter, if they were one mislynch from the win.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 3, 2012 14:33:56 GMT -5
Ok fine, I edited the PM and the hostile part, I don't understand the whole hostile versus non-hostile part. I am town, I can reassure you of that. I am a hostile but I have no idea if that is pro or anti scum. Am I hostile towards everyone or just scum? I edited the designation and the part where I underlined and colored and bolded, because it did not come over with a cut and paste.
I do see my power as sort of dangerous, I can save the wrong person or lynch the wrong person. I would rather not make the judgement call myself, but I don't trust anyone at this point or their opinion.
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