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Post by peekercpa on Oct 5, 2012 15:36:25 GMT -5
I'm not convinced there is a town converter and I would like Colby to name who he targeted last night. *points at body #2 in the color* you wanted to convert a town doc?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 5, 2012 15:38:32 GMT -5
Well that's safe since the person in question is dead and likely wouldn't have started the game as townie. If this was a living player, however, that would have been boneheaded as hell. I would not have named my target if he or she was still alive. Also, I do not learn if they have been successfully recruited to town or not do they have a choice? is it mandatory?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 5, 2012 15:40:00 GMT -5
Heck, you can even potentially benefit them if you tag one of them, thus protecting them from a Vig kill. As both Inner and I (and pizza) have pointed out, this is NOT TRUE. Please stop arguing as if it were. OK, reading failure on my part. My last post was a while in the composing, so I didn't see the last several posts where you repeatedly hit me over the head with the information...but I did go back and see my original error. The first two times Pizza described his power, he mentioned only that it 'prevented Town Vigilantes from killing', hence my original questioning. But in Post 150 he said "It is spelled out in my role PM that it does in fact turn away only town-on-town kills, in a manner which is impossible for me to misinterpret". I somehow missed that clarification, leading to my subsequent rantings. I'm still not sure I agree that it was necessary for Pizza to claim when he did, but in light of my newfound and long-overdue understanding, I'll take another look at that. In fact, I may just step back from the computer for a few minutes, then return and reread the last 3 or 4 pages of posts.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 5, 2012 15:49:09 GMT -5
Yeah, probably time for me to back away from the thread for a bit, too.
No offense meant, burby, you know that, right?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 5, 2012 15:51:55 GMT -5
I would not have named my target if he or she was still alive. Also, I do not learn if they have been successfully recruited to town or not Unfortunate but understandable. Frankly if you can name even one living convert to town, and they admit they started 3rd party, and became town on the night you said, and then they die and flip townie, that establishes you as town beyond all doubt. once i picked five of six ping pong balls in a dream. could never get over that hump to six and win the whole kewpie doll, however.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 5, 2012 15:54:39 GMT -5
Still, there's no reason why you should be without the Merc protection from here on out. If anyone disagrees, I need to be told very slowly and carefully, I need to be talked to like I am a child, and told why they disagree. b e c a u s e t h e r e a r e c e r t a i n f o l k s t h a t d o n ' t b e l i e v e h i m .
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 5, 2012 15:56:39 GMT -5
I think he might be making an assumption that the two Peacekeepers both started in the same state (e.g., Third Party) and that Colby converted one to Town. I am not entirely convinced this is a safe assumption, mind. Not "safe," maybe, but provisionally useful. It would make some degree of sense. unvote colby
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 5, 2012 15:59:54 GMT -5
Yeah, probably time for me to back away from the thread for a bit, too. No offense meant, burby, you know that, right? I know...and no offense taken. I got some water and took a nice walk around the block (it's only 74 degrees here today, rather than the 100 we had earlier in the week....Fall has arrived!), so I'm ready to wade back in and see what else I misunderstood
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 5, 2012 16:20:17 GMT -5
*points at body #2 in the color* you wanted to convert a town doc? Well, he wouldn't have known he was a Town Doc at the time. And I suppose it's possible that he did convert Wombat. Whether or not that is actually possible depends, I suppose, on the timing of actions. If Colby tried to recruit Wombat last Night, then presumably Wombat wouldn't have received the offer until Dawn, at which time he was dead, so he couldn't accept. That would make Wombat Town to start the game. If Colby tried to recruit Wombat during the Day, then he could have accepted at Dusk, been converted to Town, and then killed, so he might have started as Third Party. Of course, he did answer the question (from Inner) "who did you target last Night", which would seem to preclude a Day action, unless Colby answered without regard to which Day-part was being referred to. And of course, Colby still hasn't technically claimed to be a Recruiter. He's hinted as it, he certainly hasn't denied it, and what he has said is absolutely consistent with him being a recruiter, but he hasn't actually made that claim.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 5, 2012 16:29:17 GMT -5
Colby,
Exactly when did you attempt to recruit Pleonast?
Exactly when did you attempt to recruit Wombat?
If these were Night actions, then I believe we can say with some certainty how many Town are currently in the game (there were no Night 0 actions, correct?)
If they were Day actions, then we can't be sure.
All of this of course assuming Red Skeezix' information is trustworthy.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 5, 2012 16:30:19 GMT -5
How do you figure we can calculate Town from that?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 5, 2012 17:01:02 GMT -5
How do you figure we can calculate Town from that? OK, now you have me doubting myself. Here's my reasoning: There were no Night 0 actions, so recruitment attempt could have been made before Day 1 at the earliest. Since all events resolve at Dusk or Dawn, a potential recruitee couldn't be alerted to the attempt before Dusk on Day 1, and couldn't accept until Dawn on Day 2. Mahaloth, who was lynched on Day 1, was Third Party. We had 7 Town at the end of Day 1, per Red. Therefore we started the game with 7 Town. If we assume that Pleonast was telling the truth about his starting alignment, he was Third Party and was recruited by Colby. If Colby recruited him on Day 1, it was effective on Night 1; if Colby recruited him on Night 1 it was effective on Day 2. In either case, he was Town at the end of Day 2 when he was lynched. Following those assumptions, there were 6 Town at the end of Day 2 (7 to start, plus Pleo, minus Pleo, minus guiri). If Colby attempted to recruit Wombat on Day 2, then Wombat would not have received the invitation until Dusk on Day 2. If he was Third Party, then he could have accepted and become Town effective Dawn of Day 3, which is the same time he died. If all actions resolve simultaneously, then it's possible that he could have been converted and killed, so there may still be 6 Town. If Colby didn't attempt to recruit Wombat until Night 2, then he wouldn't have received the invitation until dawn, so he could not have accepted it before dying. In that case, Wombat must have been Town to begin the game, and we are now down to 5. So I guess things hinge to begin with on whether or not Pleonast was recruited, or if he lied about being Third Party. The timing of Colby's recruitment is the second variable. And we could have anywhere from 4 to 6 Town remaining, depending on how things play out. Maybe it's not quite as useful an exercise as I thought.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 5, 2012 17:02:45 GMT -5
And of course I left out the entire "If we assume Pleonast began the game as Town" part of the reasoning. That's left as an exercise to the reader
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 5, 2012 19:33:41 GMT -5
I'm all for information sharing:
1. I got blocked on Night 1. 2. I got redirected on Night 2. (I know this because my pm said: You attempted to target X and instead targetted Y. 3. I woke up this morning feeling great. Thank you mysterious benefactor.
also: vote JustBeingGinger
Count me in the camp that doesn't trust that the only swap in that PM was the hostile for nonhostile.
vote Crys, same reasons as before + sounds like she's got a Mad Bomber role.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 5, 2012 20:04:28 GMT -5
I have not woken up on any morning to strange messages, stubbed toes, creepy dolls, notices of infection, or anything else. Just as a data point.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 5, 2012 21:06:24 GMT -5
As a data point, and I don't want to say anything more about it - I was knocked unconscious last Night. I think that's consistent with a blocking type role.
I am NOT trying to imply askthepizzaguy's lying. If he's telling the truth then I suspect there are two roles (or they work in different ways ... i.e. one block prevented JBG from being targeted, another knocked me out to stop me from doing anything). But I don't rule out that he could be lying about it.
Frankly, askthepizzaguy, you've said a lot and while it doesn't seem exactly like your play is scummy, it is a fair amount of what I think is noise.
As useful as it is to know all this information about curses, blue pee, dolls, etc., bear in mind the gastard nature of this game is that some red herrings will probably be in there.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 5, 2012 21:31:11 GMT -5
So far…. RedS tells us ‘e knows there were 7 Town N1 / 5 Scum N2 * blocked N1 * redirected N2 * woke up D3 feeling great
ATPG tells us he has some knowledge of a Town Vig- and some other tricks up his sleeve ( ie can protect a Town sided player from a Town Vig- and make 50 % of them pee blue)
crys claimed – at Night- to be a Cabalist Werewolf Vampire (aka Jim) 3P-NH-the cause of the virus * infected dizzy N1
JBG claimed- at Night- to be Judge,Jury,Executioner ( as outed by Pleo ) Town-NH (?)- since claimed she did edit but what part right?
We still have an unidentified curse sender guiri was * cursed ( stubbed toe ) N1 silverjan was *cursed( banged her head) D1 and was * sent a “creepy doll” N2
Colby alludes to being able to recruit players to Town alignment * names 2 dead players - sort of
ATPG says we have a roleblocker says he was blocked N2
Parzival says 'e was knocked unconscious N2 ( role blocked? )
Also peekercpa Ironman/Deadpool (Third-Party Serial Annoyer), killed Night One- back to life again purports to be unkillable ( for very long)
add to that our current Dead mahaloth, aka Arthur Dent (Third-Party Nonhostile One-Shot Killer), lynched Day One Pleonast, aka The Anti-Lurker (Town Investigator), lynched Day Two guiri, aka Tim the Enchanter (Town Doctor), killed Day Two scathach, aka Sander Cohen (Nonhostile Third-Party Back-Up), a PEACEKEEPER, will no longer be turning corpses into art. Killed N2 wombat99, aka Professor X (Town Weak Doc/Bodyguard), a PEACEKEEPER, has been mentally and physically destroyed KIlled N2
I’m supposed to have time this weekend to make sense of this- but I was trying to make my ( as I think I know them) data points clear. I appreciate those that corrected my first list
I have a post in the going to be away thread
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Post by crys on Oct 5, 2012 21:54:41 GMT -5
Oh, what the hell...I have another vote available. vote Colby11OK, the ball's back in your court. Period Lol that is funny. Okay, I will put it like this.... Pleonast may not have been lying when he posted his role PM on Night 0, thanks to me. I am having a hard time with this. I asked the mod when we could take our first night action and he said it started in night 1 and then made a post to that effect into the Night 0 thread. So pleo was either not lying then or he was. The earliest you could have recruited him would have been night 1. I am not sure I want to put a vote on you, but I think you may have some splainin to do.
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Post by crys on Oct 5, 2012 21:56:45 GMT -5
I'm all for information sharing: 1. I got blocked on Night 1. 2. I got redirected on Night 2. (I know this because my pm said: You attempted to target X and instead targetted Y. 3. I woke up this morning feeling great. Thank you mysterious benefactor. also: vote JustBeingGingerCount me in the camp that doesn't trust that the only swap in that PM was the hostile for nonhostile. vote Crys, same reasons as before + sounds like she's got a Mad Bomber role. Didn't you vote me for being a lazy voter??? I haven't made a vote at all yet?? Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 5, 2012 21:57:17 GMT -5
<snip> Also peekercpa Ironman/Deadpool (Third-Party Serial Annoyer), killed Night One- back to life again purports to be unkillable ( for very long) <snip> It occurs to me that in Mafia, what can be more annoying than someone you kill who comes back to life, especially if you do it multiple times?
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Post by crys on Oct 5, 2012 21:58:14 GMT -5
Neta the second batch of was supposed to be !!!
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Post by crys on Oct 5, 2012 21:59:16 GMT -5
<snip> Also peekercpa Ironman/Deadpool (Third-Party Serial Annoyer), killed Night One- back to life again purports to be unkillable ( for very long) <snip> It occurs to me that in Mafia, what can be more annoying than someone you kill who comes back to life, especially if you do it multiple times? Yeah but now most will prolly just leave him alone lol, especially if he will just be back anyways.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 5, 2012 22:02:03 GMT -5
It occurs to me that in Mafia, what can be more annoying than someone you kill who comes back to life, especially if you do it multiple times? Yeah but now most will prolly just leave him alone lol, especially if he will just be back anyways. That's my plan! unless and until further information changes it.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 6, 2012 0:01:03 GMT -5
Lol that is funny. Okay, I will put it like this.... Pleonast may not have been lying when he posted his role PM on Night 0, thanks to me. I am having a hard time with this. I asked the mod when we could take our first night action and he said it started in night 1 and then made a post to that effect into the Night 0 thread. So pleo was either not lying then or he was. The earliest you could have recruited him would have been night 1. I am not sure I want to put a vote on you, but I think you may have some splainin to do. crys, I think you're misreading. Pleo claimed Night 0. Colby is arguing that he claimed truthfully -- that, on Night 0, he was Third Party. Colby then did whatever he did on Day or Night One and after that Pleo was Town, as he flipped when he died. Colby isn't claiming to have done anything Night Zero, to my reading of his post.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 6, 2012 0:05:50 GMT -5
Uh-oh. Is that a creepy doll or is it Creepy Doll? silverjan, do you know anything more about it? Either way, I wouldn't kick it. That's the message I got and I find it rather worrying.
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Post by Creepy Doll on Oct 6, 2012 0:21:14 GMT -5
That's the message I got and I find it rather worrying. But all I want is a hug.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 6, 2012 0:58:25 GMT -5
That's the message I got and I find it rather worrying. But all I want is a hug. My heart just leapt into my throat, what is this?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 6, 2012 1:13:21 GMT -5
Apparently, it's Creepy Doll.
Do not taunt Creepy Doll.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 6, 2012 1:22:40 GMT -5
I am having a hard time with this. I asked the mod when we could take our first night action and he said it started in night 1 and then made a post to that effect into the Night 0 thread. So pleo was either not lying then or he was. The earliest you could have recruited him would have been night 1. I am not sure I want to put a vote on you, but I think you may have some splainin to do. crys, I think you're misreading. Pleo claimed Night 0. Colby is arguing that he claimed truthfully -- that, on Night 0, he was Third Party. Colby then did whatever he did on Day or Night One and after that Pleo was Town, as he flipped when he died. Colby isn't claiming to have done anything Night Zero, to my reading of his post. Bingo
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 6, 2012 1:23:32 GMT -5
I would not have named my target if he or she was still alive. Also, I do not learn if they have been successfully recruited to town or not do they have a choice? is it mandatory? According to my PM, some cannot be turned to town. If they can be changed, they do get a choice, convert to Town or die
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