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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 12:26:02 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 29, 2012 12:26:02 GMT -5
Can we get a updated vote count and has the countdown begun?
Vote Mahaloth A vote based on opinion of if some is a good player or not is a weak vote in my book.
I do not like Suburban's play on trying to bring up postings on other boards and the postings of Lightfoot under two different names. Plus the fluff postings. There is not much content there.
Gnarly plays like this be it that he is scum or he is town. His playstyle is a null tell.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 12:32:18 GMT -5
Post by astralrejection on Nov 29, 2012 12:32:18 GMT -5
No, the vote countdown had not begun. You just reset it.
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Nov 29, 2012 12:41:56 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 29, 2012 12:41:56 GMT -5
JustBeingGinger, I'm confused by your comments about me. You're absolutely right that I was hoping to start a bandwagon... I still believe Hockey Monkey to be an acceptable Day 1 lynch. When you vote for someone, don't you also hope people join you? That's why I brought it up again... I wanted to remind people of that post, and get some discussion going. The quote you pulled doesn't really have much to do with that, though... I was responding to Asktgepizzaguy, who said he wasn't going to swap his vote. That's fine; as I said, I don't expect everyone to vote just because I say so. But he could still comment on it. But the part I'm really confused by is how you impugn my motives, and then agree with me anyway.. That's kinda suspicious there. I don't agree with the starting of a bandwagon. As town I am never 100% sure of my vote and I would not want to be the start of a bandwagon on a mis-lynch. Now if I was 100% certain that my vote was scum, I would have no issue starting one. I agree with your point that it is odd that Hockey did not realize that there are different alignments in the game but I don't agree with you trying to start a bandwagon.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 12:51:05 GMT -5
Post by astralrejection on Nov 29, 2012 12:51:05 GMT -5
I think you and I are disagreeing on semantics with respect to the definition of "bandwagon." Bandwagons are not knee-jerk bad things all the time, since they can net scum just as well as town.
Basically, if I'm voting for X, I believe X is our best lynch. Given that (admittedly obvious) fact, why wouldn't a player hope town lynches the person that player want lynched?
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 13:14:55 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 29, 2012 13:14:55 GMT -5
You're absolutely right that I was hoping to start a bandwagon... <snipped> the dichotomies of this game are unbelievable. lurker lynch, blah. needlessly helpful, blah. bandwagon jumper or creator = scum. and now we have this. bandwagon does not equal scum. i truly am fascinated.
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Nov 29, 2012 13:25:35 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 29, 2012 13:25:35 GMT -5
JustBeingGinger, I'm confused by your comments about me. You're absolutely right that I was hoping to start a bandwagon... I still believe Hockey Monkey to be an acceptable Day 1 lynch. When you vote for someone, don't you also hope people join you? <snipped> actually, when i vote for someone i don't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks. certainly i listen but the conclusion is mine which i take full accountability for. most of the folks are shooting blind and come up with their own agenda. it's kind of like riding your cycle (motor, not bi or tri). the only 'tude you can have that makes sense is that everyone else is out to kill me. you behave accordingly.
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Nov 29, 2012 13:34:21 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 29, 2012 13:34:21 GMT -5
I think you and I are disagreeing on semantics with respect to the definition of "bandwagon." Bandwagons are not knee-jerk bad things all the time, since they can net scum just as well as town. Basically, if I'm voting for X, I believe X is our best lynch. Given that (admittedly obvious) fact, why wouldn't a player hope town lynches the person that player want lynched? ah, but astral you redefine "bandwagon". folks voting their beliefs is good. folks voting for someone because that seems the path of least resistance is bad. and that is why i am in the minority for wanting pizza lynched. crud, i really thought dewey defeated truman. and i will add this since pizza has basically said he will ignore anything i say (kind of bad strategy). pizza is tough either way. i just want to see him flinch.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 14:03:13 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 29, 2012 14:03:13 GMT -5
I don't agree with the starting of a bandwagon. As town I am never 100% sure of my vote and I would not want to be the start of a bandwagon on a mis-lynch. Now if I was 100% certain that my vote was scum, I would have no issue starting one. I agree with your point that it is odd that Hockey did not realize that there are different alignments in the game but I don't agree with you trying to start a bandwagon. I think you're using bandwagon a little differently than intended. Obviously, any time you vote for someone, you want other people to vote with you. To me, a bandwagon is when a bunch of people closely together vote for the same person, propelling that person into a hefty vote lead. That's why it's usually referred to as a bandwagon "taking off" so to speak. I don't believe anyone who has votes now really has a "bandwagon" on them since it's a heated race. I understand the idea that you're never 100% of your vote as Town, however, a chronic fear of starting something and have it lead to a mislynch is no good. The entire point of the game is building a case on someone and deducing who you think is scum from people's actions. If you wait around and only vote for established cases you look like a me-too voter, and honestly that's an easy way for scum to hide since they don't have to be accountable for being wrong as much as the person that started the suspicion train rolling.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 14:23:33 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 29, 2012 14:23:33 GMT -5
I understand the idea that you're never 100% of your vote as Town, however, a chronic fear of starting something and have it lead to a mislynch is no good. The entire point of the game is building a case on someone and deducing who you think is scum from people's actions. If you wait around and only vote for established cases you look like a me-too voter, and honestly that's an easy way for scum to hide since they don't have to be accountable for being wrong as much as the person that started the suspicion train rolling. QFT, and this is my general philosophy as well. If I think Town has caught Scum, and that Scum is the clear vote leader, then I'm probably going to express my agreement that so-and-so is Scum and then place a potentially one-off vote on someone else I think is Scum. I do not consider this a "waste" of my vote, I consider this a good way to record my suspicions. If, however, it's early in the game and my preferred Scum candidate does not have a clear majority of the vote, I may switch to the vote leader to keep Scum from getting their buddy out of the noose. But I'm here to hunt Scum, and even if I can't make my case solidly enough to sway anybody else's opinion I can still make sure it's out there.
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Nov 29, 2012 15:16:21 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Nov 29, 2012 15:16:21 GMT -5
JustBeingGinger, I'm confused by your comments about me. You're absolutely right that I was hoping to start a bandwagon... I still believe Hockey Monkey to be an acceptable Day 1 lynch. When you vote for someone, don't you also hope people join you? That's why I brought it up again... I wanted to remind people of that post, and get some discussion going. The quote you pulled doesn't really have much to do with that, though... I was responding to Asktgepizzaguy, who said he wasn't going to swap his vote. That's fine; as I said, I don't expect everyone to vote just because I say so. But he could still comment on it. But the part I'm really confused by is how you impugn my motives, and then agree with me anyway.. That's kinda suspicious there. I don't agree with the starting of a bandwagon. As town I am never 100% sure of my vote and I would not want to be the start of a bandwagon on a mis-lynch. Now if I was 100% certain that my vote was scum, I would have no issue starting one. I agree with your point that it is odd that Hockey did not realize that there are different alignments in the game but I don't agree with you trying to start a bandwagon. Who said I didn't know there were different alignments? Yes, I'm well aware of that. I was not aware that any other than the CE scum team would have off board communications. I missed the part in the rules about that. Totally scummy behavior on my part.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 16:13:23 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 29, 2012 16:13:23 GMT -5
if you want me to talk, i'm willing but it won't be about this. Right, I believe you came to an incorrect conclusion as to the cause of your lynch in the previous game and are using it as a reason for not participating (much) in this game. It doesn’t prove I’m not a bad guy- but thinking of the greater good should get me a half an eyebrow un cocked- perhaps? Funnily enough I'm feeling less and less confident about my vote. Unvote LightfootAnd while I am not sure about Colby and Mahaloth, I still fail to see why we're lynching Lightfoot. Is this a question? Would you like to know why I voted Lightfoot? Did you not understand the case or simply not agree with it? Who said I didn't know there were different alignments? Yes, I'm well aware of that. I was not aware that any other than the CE scum team would have off board communications. I missed the part in the rules about that. Totally scummy behavior on my part. OK, so we know you're either LG or CE. So, let's look at your contributions during the Day so far: a confirmation, a vote for PIS, a question, an unvote, a defense of the vote, a pot-stir, and another defense of your vote. Attempting to stay under the radar after the early spotlight? Vote Hockey Monkey
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 16:56:58 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 29, 2012 16:56:58 GMT -5
I don't agree with the starting of a bandwagon. As town I am never 100% sure of my vote and I would not want to be the start of a bandwagon on a mis-lynch. Now if I was 100% certain that my vote was scum, I would have no issue starting one. I agree with your point that it is odd that Hockey did not realize that there are different alignments in the game but I don't agree with you trying to start a bandwagon. I think you're using bandwagon a little differently than intended. Obviously, any time you vote for someone, you want other people to vote with you. To me, a bandwagon is when a bunch of people closely together vote for the same person, propelling that person into a hefty vote lead. That's why it's usually referred to as a bandwagon "taking off" so to speak. I don't believe anyone who has votes now really has a "bandwagon" on them since it's a heated race. I understand the idea that you're never 100% of your vote as Town, however, a chronic fear of starting something and have it lead to a mislynch is no good. The entire point of the game is building a case on someone and deducing who you think is scum from people's actions. If you wait around and only vote for established cases you look like a me-too voter, and honestly that's an easy way for scum to hide since they don't have to be accountable for being wrong as much as the person that started the suspicion train rolling. afuckingmen with a caveat. sometimes you can have a case that has already been established and espoused. certainly you can pick the nit but that is bothersome to some. and to a great extent i like to see who got the ball rolling not necessarily who is feeding on the scraps just like you. there are many among us that have taken it to an art form (wherefore art thou story, hoopy and sach). so i see your point but i also understand that a lot of currrent folks like the sistine chapel and that does not make them wrong.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 17:01:14 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 29, 2012 17:01:14 GMT -5
neta:
darnit: add to the end. or their viewpoint less valid.
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i feel the eye of hal
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Nov 29, 2012 17:09:19 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 29, 2012 17:09:19 GMT -5
Current vote count (its based on my script, so it is only as good as my coding skills). I don't know how we resolve ties this game.
Mahaloth(4): crys (241), Pollux Oil (271), askthepizzaguy (290), JustBeingGinger (300) peekercpa(4): dizzymrslizzy (88), Hockey Monkey! (94), Chucara (109), gnarlycharlie (150) Suburban Plankton(3): wombat99 (237), Sister Coyote (238), Colby11 (283) Hockey Monkey(2): astralrejection (145), Total Ullz (310) LightFoot(3): Suburban Plankton (66), guiri (99), Drain Bead (138) pizza(1): peekercpa (292) TotalUllz(1): mahaloth (211) Wombat(1): LightFoot (113) Chucara(1): Merestil Haye (72)
I am still happy with my peeker vote, but I would suggest people to put their votes on the most likely suspect as we are only one vote away from a 3-way tie.
I will just state right now: I find last minute votes very scummy, especially if the target flips town.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 17:27:40 GMT -5
Post by astralrejection on Nov 29, 2012 17:27:40 GMT -5
Of my choices, I think I'd still prefer Hockey Monkey.
I'm somewhat suspicious of Ginger, somewhat less suspicious of Pizza, and Crys has been entirely too quiet so far, I think. So I don't care to lynch Mahaloth with them.
I've (like always) got no good read on Peeker, I'm voting for Hockey, and I still want to reread Chucara, so Peeker's wagon isn't looking too great to me either.
Suburban I could see myself settling for, but I haven't done that read of him yet.
With a second vote, Hockey is a more serious candidate, so I think I'm best served hanging out voting for her.
(By the way, thanks for the vote count!)
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Nov 29, 2012 18:24:53 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 29, 2012 18:24:53 GMT -5
Chucara's vote count/script is inaccurate. Votes actually look like this:
Mahaloth (4): Crys (241), Pollux (271), Pizza (290), Ginger (300) Peeker (3): Dizzy (88), Chucara (109), Gnarly (150) Burbs (3): Wombat (237), SisC (238), Colby (283) Lightfoot (2): Burbs (66), Drain Bead (138) Hockey Monkey (2): Astral (145), Guiri (310) Wombat (1): Lightfoot (113) Chucara (1): MHaye (72) Total (1): Mahaloth (211) Pizza (1): peeker (292)
It is currently a multi-horse race. Conceivably anybody in the game can still be lynched since our lynch leader is at 4. Of the ones with multiple votes, I personally am comfortable lynching either mahaloth or Suburban Plankton. Not keen on peeker, Lightfoot, or Hockey Monkey at this juncture.
18 people are voting, which means 7 have not. They are:
Inner, Red, Total, patricia, laurie, Meeko, Hockey
And they have 2, 2, 16, 1, 4, 6, and 7 posts in Day One respectively. I believe Hockey is the only one to have placed a vote already, but then unvoted. Are you 7 waiting for the countdown to start before you vote? If so, who are you planning on voting for once we have hit the 24 hour mark?
Currently, the most recent vote is by guiri at 4:13 PM EST, 2:13 PM MST (the mod's time). We have a full 22 hours before the countdown is initialized.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 18:32:02 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 29, 2012 18:32:02 GMT -5
Inner, Red, Total, patricia, laurie, Meeko, Hockey And they have 2, 2, 16, 1, 4, 6, and 7 posts in Day One respectively. Meeko? He was MVP in All Star yet here he's lurking? Something's way off. I'd be willing to lynch Meeko too.
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Nov 29, 2012 18:50:32 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 29, 2012 18:50:32 GMT -5
Pollux/Hockey Did you happen to notice where Hockey unvoted? I'll fix my script (if you don't I'll find it myself tomorrow)
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 18:51:34 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 29, 2012 18:51:34 GMT -5
Inner, Red, Total, patricia, laurie, Meeko, Hockey And they have 2, 2, 16, 1, 4, 6, and 7 posts in Day One respectively. Meeko? He was MVP in All Star yet here he's lurking? Something's way off. I'd be willing to lynch Meeko too. this is so un guiri that i almost think someone hijacked his account. heh heh.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 18:53:27 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 29, 2012 18:53:27 GMT -5
neta: either that or he got laid.
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Nov 29, 2012 18:58:51 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 29, 2012 18:58:51 GMT -5
Pollux/Hockey Did you happen to notice where Hockey unvoted? I'll fix my script (if you don't I'll find it myself tomorrow) She unvoted in post #135.
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 19:08:42 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Nov 29, 2012 19:08:42 GMT -5
Vote Mahaloth A vote based on opinion of if some is a good player or not is a weak vote in my book. Huh? Again. Huh?
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Nov 29, 2012 20:32:16 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Nov 29, 2012 20:32:16 GMT -5
I'm switching my vote to Ginger. Ginger's posts indicate skimming, or if not skimming, empty posts that contribute nothing but look a bit like....well, not lurking. She has made 6 posts to the game, not including a couple intro posts. Ginger has 2 real posts(so to speak) and 4 "looking like posting" or "skimming" ones. Scroll down here to see them, but I'll summarize. www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=scuzzlebuttPost 1: An extremely generic and vague reiteration of pizza's theory, ending with no commitment or critique of it. Post 2: Says astral is trying to get folks on his bandwagon....yet kind of agrees with the concept. Post 3: An actual post, with something about being mason in a previous game. Post 4: The analysis of my vote, which I think excludes awareness of my FOS Post, which may have been missed by skimming. Post 5: Voting for me based on something I did not indicate or say. Post 6: A little clarification of an earlier point. Again, an actual post. I still suspect Total, but Ginger blipped up above in my view. UnvoteVote Ginger
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 20:33:11 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Nov 29, 2012 20:33:11 GMT -5
By the way, I'd really like to not go back to my "die on day 1" trend again. I just got out of it and was back in it last game. To be fair, I did claim in the game on D1. Honestly, but it was a gamble that failed. In this game, I just don't see it.
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Nov 29, 2012 20:35:51 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Nov 29, 2012 20:35:51 GMT -5
Can we get a updated vote count and has the countdown begun? Vote Mahaloth A vote based on opinion of if some is a good player or not is a weak vote in my book. I do not like Suburban's play on trying to bring up postings on other boards and the postings of Lightfoot under two different names. Plus the fluff postings. There is not much content there. Gnarly plays like this be it that he is scum or he is town. His playstyle is a null tell. Is this a Pizza-style flinch? Breaking a 4-way tie and resetting the countdown clock without waiting for the mod question to be answered... seems like there's some urgency there to put someone in the lead. Or is the real meaningful flinching expected closer to EOD?
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 21:16:32 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 29, 2012 21:16:32 GMT -5
Can we get a updated vote count and has the countdown begun? Vote Mahaloth A vote based on opinion of if some is a good player or not is a weak vote in my book. I do not like Suburban's play on trying to bring up postings on other boards and the postings of Lightfoot under two different names. Plus the fluff postings. There is not much content there. Gnarly plays like this be it that he is scum or he is town. His playstyle is a null tell. Is this a Pizza-style flinch? Breaking a 4-way tie and resetting the countdown clock without waiting for the mod question to be answered... seems like there's some urgency there to put someone in the lead. Or is the real meaningful flinching expected closer to EOD? You know, well no you don’t but I’m going to tell you This was bugging me when I first read it- and I thought about it at work today If She had actually been reading along-* I made a few posts to discuss the countdown trigger and the idea of letting it roll—before resetting it Nary a comment about that either I thought it smelled funny ( well really it just annoyed me- busting the clock without acknowledging mine and others comments ) but didn’t know if it bothered anyone else. *After reading mahaloth’s summary re: skimming and reading your post wombat I’m inclined to add my agreement
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Day One
Nov 29, 2012 22:59:14 GMT -5
Post by crys on Nov 29, 2012 22:59:14 GMT -5
Of my choices, I think I'd still prefer Hockey Monkey. I'm somewhat suspicious of Ginger, somewhat less suspicious of Pizza, and Crys has been entirely too quiet so far, I think. So I don't care to lynch Mahaloth with them. I've (like always) got no good read on Peeker, I'm voting for Hockey, and I still want to reread Chucara, so Peeker's wagon isn't looking too great to me either. Suburban I could see myself settling for, but I haven't done that read of him yet. With a second vote, Hockey is a more serious candidate, so I think I'm best served hanging out voting for her. (By the way, thanks for the vote count!) Um yeah I been entirely too busy other places. Sorry ya'll I have to catch up now be back in a bit
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Nov 29, 2012 23:04:38 GMT -5
Post by crys on Nov 29, 2012 23:04:38 GMT -5
Ok so 2 pages about dressing/stuffing and quite a bit about a joke post....can we move on peeps? I have read everything up to date and I don't particularly like Mahaloth's vote on TotalUllz. I am not sure I follow the logic behind it and it reeks of scumminess to me. vote: MahalothI find that scum(including me when I am one) have a tendency to be hesitant to push a point and that they kind of emphasize their lack of assuredness, either about themselves(talent wise) or their votes(justification wise). I think Total was kind of being like that. What reeks of scumminess in my vote? It seems overly nitpicky and opportunistic. It feels like you were looking for any reason to vote for Total, most likely because she is a good player.
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Nov 29, 2012 23:05:53 GMT -5
Post by crys on Nov 29, 2012 23:05:53 GMT -5
Okay, just read all the way up to the end. From post 221 up to 236 I was lolling pretty hard. That made the comment on the other board completely worth it. For the record, I've been a jester before and that's not the honorable way to play one. You're supposed to play one completely straight as a townie, and even make the scumbags a little nervous, and yet not get murdered, and eventually get lynched by the town, and laugh your butt off. Going for the cheesy win by acting stupid/scummy is the coward's way. Jesters are the worst roles ever but they could be fun if people stopped playing to get lynched day one or two. Also FTR I am not a jester here. You may lynch me in order to obtain proof. The only thing that would have made that better is if you had come over here and said, or was it the other way around I am town in this game and scum in the other. I did entirely enjoy that
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Nov 29, 2012 23:08:06 GMT -5
Post by crys on Nov 29, 2012 23:08:06 GMT -5
Is this a Pizza-style flinch? Breaking a 4-way tie and resetting the countdown clock without waiting for the mod question to be answered... seems like there's some urgency there to put someone in the lead. Or is the real meaningful flinching expected closer to EOD? You know, well no you don’t but I’m going to tell you This was bugging me when I first read it- and I thought about it at work today If She had actually been reading along-* I made a few posts to discuss the countdown trigger and the idea of letting it roll—before resetting it Nary a comment about that either I thought it smelled funny ( well really it just annoyed me- busting the clock without acknowledging mine and others comments ) but didn’t know if it bothered anyone else. *After reading mahaloth’s summary re: skimming and reading your post wombat I’m inclined to add my agreement hmmm a flinch is a scummy move yes?......I have a tendency to agree with you guys also on this point also.....
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