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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 11:12:27 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Nov 24, 2012 11:12:27 GMT -5
Suggestion: Nominate some folks who have zero votes. Once we get about 7 or 8 of them, start placing a secondary vote on the nominees. Make it a horserace. This sounds good in theory, and I like the idea of applying some pressure, but if we limit our lynch pool to the first 7 or 8 players to get votes, then only place secondary votes in that pool, then can't the non-LG factions stack the odds in their favor by coming in first and voting for players they know aren't on their team? Even if that did happen, it would still provide some good informatin for later Days, though.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 11:17:45 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 11:17:45 GMT -5
Askpizzaguys strategy is as good as any IMO. I still haven't seen much gain from D1, so I'm willing to try.. Will be back with a vote after the weekend.. drive by meaningless post with a touch of snuggle.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 13:26:24 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Nov 24, 2012 13:26:24 GMT -5
Good theory, Pizza.... But I also agree with astral regarding the whole "will it work" question
Then again, we had success with it in All Stars
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 15:23:48 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Nov 24, 2012 15:23:48 GMT -5
I guess my question is, would it really still work if you've outlined exactly what you expect people to do and how to nail them for their actions? Yeah. That's like saying I dunno, would it really work to try to look for scummy behavior if you're announcing that's what you're doing? Their alternative is to not flinch which reduces their ability to save themselves. Isn't that also good news? Come on astral, you're better than this.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 15:24:40 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Nov 24, 2012 15:24:40 GMT -5
Suggestion: Nominate some folks who have zero votes. Once we get about 7 or 8 of them, start placing a secondary vote on the nominees. Make it a horserace. This sounds good in theory, and I like the idea of applying some pressure, but if we limit our lynch pool to the first 7 or 8 players to get votes, then only place secondary votes in that pool, then can't the non-LG factions stack the odds in their favor by coming in first and voting for players they know aren't on their team? Even if that did happen, it would still provide some good informatin for later Days, though. If we limit our lynch pool to the first major wagon and whoever the distant second place candidate is, then that's even worse, isn't it?
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 17:32:50 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 24, 2012 17:32:50 GMT -5
Suggestion: Nominate some folks who have zero votes. Once we get about 7 or 8 of them, start placing a secondary vote on the nominees. Make it a horserace. Ok, let's go with this plan. Of course, since we don't have any data with which to choose an appropriate candidate, w sorta need to shoot in the dark to begin with. With that in mind, I took the player list, fed it into random.org, gave it a nice strong cup of really hot tea, and it told me to vote askthepizzaguySo there you go.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 17:35:18 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 24, 2012 17:35:18 GMT -5
Aw, crap. I think I did that wrong. Because dizzymrslizzie already has a vote on her, I should have excluded her from consideration. And I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to vote for myself, so that narrows the candidates down from 25 to 23.
Luckily, I still have some tea left.
unvote askthepizzaguy vote LightFoot
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 17:44:15 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Nov 24, 2012 17:44:15 GMT -5
Aw, crap. I think I did that wrong. Because dizzymrslizzie already has a vote on her, I should have excluded her from consideration. And I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to vote for myself, so that narrows the candidates down from 25 to 23. Luckily, I still have some tea left. unvote askthepizzaguy vote LightFootWould it totally throw you if I point out that SisC has a vote also? My random.org generated vote is Vote MHaye
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 17:48:37 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 24, 2012 17:48:37 GMT -5
Would it totally throw you if I point out that SisC has a vote also? My random.org generated vote is Vote MHayeNo, I accounted for that vote in my calculations. Since it was made by The Moderator, I assumed it wouldn't count in the official standings
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 17:52:56 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Nov 24, 2012 17:52:56 GMT -5
Would it totally throw you if I point out that SisC has a vote also? My random.org generated vote is Vote MHayeNo, I accounted for that vote in my calculations. Since it was made by The Moderator, I assumed it wouldn't count in the official standings So it was!
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 18:05:24 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 24, 2012 18:05:24 GMT -5
A random act of kindness in a mafia game? A scum tell if ever I saw one. Vote Drain BeadA random day one lynch is fine, although random on day one is the weakest kind of random lynch. Does anyone seriously advocate a random Day 1 lynch? A random vote, to get the ball rolling, maybe. Now, the odds are also good that they, or someone else, will make a "move" to allow them to escape from death, This is called the flinch. Self-defense votes are generally viewed as a null-tell (except for last second sneaky ones) and recent history would indicate that the savior is completely unrelated to the savee. Askpizzaguys strategy is as good as any IMO. I still haven't seen much gain from D1, so I'm willing to try.. Will be back with a vote after the weekend.. Why wait? I guess my question is, would it really still work if you've outlined exactly what you expect people to do and how to nail them for their actions? Hi there!
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 18:05:32 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 24, 2012 18:05:32 GMT -5
TOS* wombat99 for not knowing who the Modarator is.
*Toe of Suspicion. It's like a Finger of Suspicion, only stubbier
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 19:10:18 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 24, 2012 19:10:18 GMT -5
So, the food coma is over and people are beginning to talk. Hoorah. This game, with its unique Day end mechanism, is going to demand a variation to my usual playstyle. If I wait until the countdown starts, I might miss the chance altogether. So I'll have to be more ready to vote quickly. Also, the usual "not voting is a Mafia tell" becomes enormously problematic on quick Days. ATPG's plan is a plan. It gets people talking, and that's good. Whether we wind up following it or not, it's stirring the mud and that is what LG players should be doing. I've decided to give it a try and see if it works. If it doesn't, we'll know better the next time someone runs this sort of game. I'm still not a fan of random votes. If you can't come up with a reason to vote on Day 1, then you aren't playing right. So I look askance at both Suburban and Wombat99 for their votes. Suburban did it first, so if I was inclined to vote for a random voter, I'd be voting for SP right now. I might still come back to one of them. However, I think it's worth pitching another name into the frame. In post 61, peeker characterises post 58 as a drive-by snuggling post. Vote: Chucara [/color] I've got my eye on peeker as well. I'm a (somewhat unusual) Eye Tyrant, I am. (Unusual in that I'm not LE.)
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 19:32:33 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 24, 2012 19:32:33 GMT -5
Note for Guiri I played in the first one and there was some confusion regarding the win-cons and alignments of the different factions. In an effort to save some of that confusion I posted what I remembered. Taking some clues from the current rules. Granted I don’t know if the win-cons for this game are parallel but it’s a place to start. at least my post was game related
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 20:12:34 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 24, 2012 20:12:34 GMT -5
I'm still not a fan of random votes. If you can't come up with a reason to vote on Day 1, then you aren't playing right. So I look askance at both Suburban and Wombat99 for their votes. Suburban did it first, so if I was inclined to vote for a random voter, I'd be voting for SP right now. I might still come back to one of them. No, if you were inclined to vote for a random player, you'd vote for a random player. If you voted for wombat or myself, it wouldn't be 'random'; it would be 'because I don't like their random votes'. And you've stated that you don't like our random votes, yet apparently your dislike of them isn't enough to make you vote for one of us.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 20:20:29 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 20:20:29 GMT -5
attempt to be useful-A random day one lynch is fine, although random on day one is the weakest kind of random lynch. <snipped> Since day one is a crap shoot anyway,.... bolding and emphasis mine <snipped> and the <snipped> in the quote was mine. damn you are smart. any chance you can give an old feller the difference between "random" and "crap shoot".
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 20:35:34 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 20:35:34 GMT -5
So, the food coma is over and people are beginning to talk. Hoorah. This game, with its unique Day end mechanism, is going to demand a variation to my usual playstyle. If I wait until the countdown starts, I might miss the chance altogether. So I'll have to be more ready to vote quickly. Also, the usual "not voting is a Mafia tell" becomes enormously problematic on quick Days. ATPG's plan is a plan. It gets people talking, and that's good. Whether we wind up following it or not, it's stirring the mud and that is what LG players should be doing. I've decided to give it a try and see if it works. If it doesn't, we'll know better the next time someone runs this sort of game. I'm still not a fan of random votes. If you can't come up with a reason to vote on Day 1, then you aren't playing right. So I look askance at both Suburban and Wombat99 for their votes. Suburban did it first, so if I was inclined to vote for a random voter, I'd be voting for SP right now. I might still come back to one of them. However, I think it's worth pitching another name into the frame. In post 61, peeker characterises post 58 as a drive-by snuggling post. Vote: Chucara [/color] I've got my eye on peeker as well. I'm a (somewhat unusual) Eye Tyrant, I am. (Unusual in that I'm not LE.)[/quote] everything i do raises eyebrows on the folks' side that are not aligned with me.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 20:36:24 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 24, 2012 20:36:24 GMT -5
I'm still not a fan of random votes. If you can't come up with a reason to vote on Day 1, then you aren't playing right. So I look askance at both Suburban and Wombat99 for their votes. Suburban did it first, so if I was inclined to vote for a random voter, I'd be voting for SP right now. I might still come back to one of them. No, if you were inclined to vote for a random player, you'd vote for a random player. I didn't say "random player." I said "random voter. That is, a player who placed a random vote. Yes, I voted someone else. Don't worry, my vote can always be moved.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 20:49:46 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 20:49:46 GMT -5
attempt to be useful-A random day one lynch is fine, although random on day one is the weakest kind of random lynch. The odds are stacked against. <snipped> i am chopping this bitch up just because it makes no sense. random lynch be otay. random lynch be bad. shit, did you butter your toast on both sides before you dropped it on the floor?
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 20:55:23 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 20:55:23 GMT -5
attempt to be useful-A random day one lynch is fine, .... The alternative to a random wagon, which I feel is the least useful day one strategy, .... <snipped> ok, now i post drunk a fuck load of the time but please reconcile this for me. random is fine or it's the least useful strategy. those are your words. which the fuck is it? i mean we can agree to disagree but sheesh man up and take a stand. but it gets better.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 21:02:17 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 21:02:17 GMT -5
attempt to be useful-Suggestion: Nominate some folks who have zero votes. Once we get about 7 or 8 of them, start placing a secondary vote on the nominees. Make it a horserace. Alternative: random wagon someone and don't make it close. But that's not only boring, it's generally bad policy. <snipped> otie dotie. someone is a runaway based on whatever reasoning was used. let's fuck the reasoning and the people behind it by just voting some poor schlub that has no votes because, "gosh darn they just have to be scum" and it will smoke them out. pizza has gotten into the parthenon. i know he is not on my team. anything that he says will be filtered that way.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 21:06:20 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 21:06:20 GMT -5
and m i still want a cup of hot tea and a game of chess.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 21:12:47 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 21:12:47 GMT -5
Good theory, Pizza.... But I also agree with astral regarding the whole "will it work" question Then again, we had success with it in All Stars and i apologize for being so crotchety. but sheesh folks, we learn by interaction. the ogs are so good at the game there is seldom a way to win in that fashion. my two cents.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 21:46:09 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 24, 2012 21:46:09 GMT -5
So, the food coma is over and people are beginning to talk. Hoorah. This game, with its unique Day end mechanism, is going to demand a variation to my usual playstyle. If I wait until the countdown starts, I might miss the chance altogether. So I'll have to be more ready to vote quickly. Also, the usual "not voting is a Mafia tell" becomes enormously problematic on quick Days. ATPG's plan is a plan. It gets people talking, and that's good. Whether we wind up following it or not, it's stirring the mud and that is what LG players should be doing. I've decided to give it a try and see if it works. If it doesn't, we'll know better the next time someone runs this sort of game. I'm still not a fan of random votes. If you can't come up with a reason to vote on Day 1, then you aren't playing right. So I look askance at both Suburban and Wombat99 for their votes. Suburban did it first, so if I was inclined to vote for a random voter, I'd be voting for SP right now. I might still come back to one of them. However, I think it's worth pitching another name into the frame. In post 61, peeker characterises post 58 as a drive-by snuggling post. Vote: Chucara [/color] I've got my eye on peeker as well. I'm a (somewhat unusual) Eye Tyrant, I am. (Unusual in that I'm not LE.)[/quote] everything i do raises eyebrows on the folks' side that are not aligned with me.[/quote] Since most of us don't know who we are aligned with- that does make sense. non? and I see MHaye has claimed not Lawful Evil
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 21:51:23 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 21:51:23 GMT -5
well fucking duh gordon.
and since you say "most" any care to share more or is that like off limits?
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 22:00:54 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2012 22:00:54 GMT -5
i went and saw lincoln last night. it is worthy.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 22:01:03 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 24, 2012 22:01:03 GMT -5
, If I read ATPG correctly Day one wagons give no good information and are often based on a ‘slip’ that was an honest one ( although ) Day one is as mentioned a crap shoot for those that don’t have inside information.
If we have a few wagons or a horse race as it were on Day one there is potential for more information to be gained down the road.
On the other foot
Scum can still manipulate this idea as well. If we get a vote race between 3 or 4 players ( that are not Scum) and play on it for Days when one flips Town – or in this case not Scum Even better if they flip LE or CG because then CE can say- “ see I had a feeling they were not Town ( LG) Gimme my Good guy points!”
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 22:04:51 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 24, 2012 22:04:51 GMT -5
well fucking duh gordon. and since you say "most" any care to share more or is that like off limits? nary a problem we know that CE can communicate per the rules so they know who each other are.
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 22:28:47 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Nov 24, 2012 22:28:47 GMT -5
otie dotie. someone is a runaway based on whatever reasoning was used. let's fuck the reasoning and the people behind it by just voting some poor schlub that has no votes because, "gosh darn they just have to be scum" and it will smoke them out. pizza has gotten into the parthenon. i know he is not on my team. anything that he says will be filtered that way. Okie Dokie.....So you know who is on your team and who isn't on your team Peekers? Is that how you know that Pizza isn't on your team? I'm going to assume from that that you know who is on your team, and therefore are not on one of the "good" teams. [ Vote: Peekers
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Day One
Nov 24, 2012 22:34:13 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 24, 2012 22:34:13 GMT -5
Suggestion: Nominate some folks who have zero votes. Once we get about 7 or 8 of them, start placing a secondary vote on the nominees. Make it a horserace. This sounds good in theory, and I like the idea of applying some pressure, but if we limit our lynch pool to the first 7 or 8 players to get votes, then only place secondary votes in that pool, then can't the non-LG factions stack the odds in their favor by coming in first and voting for players they know aren't on their team? Even if that did happen, it would still provide some good informatin for later Days, though. Are you assuming the non LG teams know of each other? - we know CE does-per the rules or do you have other information? my memory is not clear on the first one but they were all able to communicate on an off board- (I don't recall you being there) but that may not apply to this game
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