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Post by autolycus on Jun 4, 2007 23:26:13 GMT -5
Blow me down, I said Lakai instead of Pleonast. As for the disclusion of names, the 1's I didnt feel were worth mentioning in that context, and as for AZ, Mad, and Idle, I thought I included them when I didn't. Or we could all be pirates, yar har har (Steel Reserves... grog of champions)
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Post by Parzival on Jun 5, 2007 0:04:58 GMT -5
hockeymonkey, to be fair, I mostly regret not voting for you because of the tie that led to FCoD's outing. Though based on my review, I'm putting you back on the "more pirate than crew" side. Your reasoning for voting for me was understandable; but it's just one more thing of several that make me think, "...but a pirate's pretty likely to behave that way (for other reasons) too."
No votes yet ... where's everyone else? I guess it's early, but as the Days go on we should all be getting our own ideas out there.
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Post by autolycus on Jun 5, 2007 1:36:57 GMT -5
Guess everyone be asleep but me.......
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 5, 2007 6:59:47 GMT -5
I'll be able to post much more after today's hearing.
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Post by zuma on Jun 5, 2007 7:25:53 GMT -5
Actually, I didn't remember you were the one who had potential firewall trouble. It's all explained by bad luck, then. Well, that was oddly...passive-aggresive... AZ, this is why I voted for you on day one and two. Obviously you are town, but frankly I see you falling into the same trap I did in M2. This over-aggressive bickering is what got us all hanged in M2. Additionally, your reasoning for fingering me was somewhat lame as well. You were uncomfortable that I went after you on day one and two. OMGUS is a shitty reason to attack someone. Anyway, we are both on the same side here, so don't take this as an insult, as I made the same mistake before.
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Post by zuma on Jun 5, 2007 7:35:05 GMT -5
vote: Tirial
Tirial seems to be jumping around between suspicion based on whomever the flavor of the day is, especially when fingered for suspicion, but mostly because Pleonast made some really good points about Tirial's scumminess. Like it or not Pleonast, I still trust you, my old mason bud.
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 5, 2007 7:49:20 GMT -5
Hardly any votes so far but here they are:
panamajack 1 (hockeymonkey) hockeymonkey 1 (autolycus) tirial 1 (zuma) zuma 1 (Mad The Swine)
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 5, 2007 8:07:00 GMT -5
Well, that was oddly...passive-aggresive... AZ, this is why I voted for you on day one and two. Obviously you are town, but frankly I see you falling into the same trap I did in M2. This over-aggressive bickering is what got us all hanged in M2. Additionally, your reasoning for fingering me was somewhat lame as well. You were uncomfortable that I went after you on day one and two. OMGUS is a shitty reason to attack someone. Anyway, we are both on the same side here, so don't take this as an insult, as I made the same mistake before. What, are you rewriting history now? You voted for me in the first place, not because I was attacking anybody, but because I said I didn't like to attack anybody! Not to mention you thought I was somebody else! Jesus! zuma, you do realize I never voted for you, and the reasons you strike me as suspicious are because you got your information about me all wrong! And if you'll remember, I wasn't the only person to say that. Hell, I even mentioned I specifically DIDN'T say that because I DIDN'T want to be seen as getting revenge. THAT is why I'm suspicious of you; it's like you're not even READING the posts. I think you're trying to build a defense here when there's no reason to, and that's just weird. I'm not anywhere convinced we're both on the same side, because you don't want me to defend myself or point out things that I find odd in other people's posts.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2007 8:10:19 GMT -5
I regret that I have not been able to be very active in the game during this Day, but I have been having some personal problems to deal with. I should be able to catch up soon, but until then, I would like to Vote hockeymonkey. My reasoning has not changed, and I think I made a good defense of this vote yesterday, mostly in this post. I'd like to add the fact that she was voting for both KatiRoo and MHaye at the time of their lynching. That certainly doesn't prove she's a pirate, but it makes me feel better about my accusations. --FCOD
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2007 8:12:56 GMT -5
I'd like to clarify that I'm not voting before reading everything; I have read through Today's thread. I haven't had time to do any in-depth analysis, but nothing I've read Today changes my thoughts about hockeymonkey so I'm comfortable with my vote.
--FCOD
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 5, 2007 9:04:11 GMT -5
To reiterate what I said a minute ago: zuma's first vote for me.My response: Yeah, that seems like an OMGUS to me...I will also point out that you did retract your claim because you had your notes wrong. Your second vote for me: Your final say on the matter: But now the story is: AZ, this is why I voted for you on day one and two. Obviously you are town, but frankly I see you falling into the same trap I did in M2. This over-aggressive bickering is what got us all hanged in M2. Additionally, your reasoning for fingering me was somewhat lame as well. You were uncomfortable that I went after you on day one and two. OMGUS is a shitty reason to attack someone. Over-aggresive bickering was never a reason you voted for me. And now you say it is. Hmmm...and you voted against me that first day because you wrongly claimed I was against aggressive players (that was where your notes were off, so you changed your vote to... KatieRoo. Interesting.) Add to that confirmed crewmember storyteller's lengthy accusation against you:And he turns up dead the next day. Being suspicious of you is not OMGUS. It's your jarring inconsistency, your lack of participation and posts, and, oh, all those reasons storyteller said. Trying to make it something else before anyone even votes for you is a sign of desperate deflection.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Jun 5, 2007 9:08:34 GMT -5
Hardly any votes so far but here they are: panamajack 1 (hockeymonkey) hockeymonkey 1 (autolycus) tirial 1 (zuma)You missed my vote for zuma. --So I did. Fixed! --Mal
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 5, 2007 9:52:10 GMT -5
I have read and re read the game so many times my head is spinning, and I haven't been able to make any forward progress. But I can say that I am still mighty suspicious of tirial. Besides completly misrepresenting my postings in day 2, there is something else that I just can't quite put my finger on, but my gut tells me is scummy.
So I am going to pick up my vote where I left it yesterday.
Vote tirial.
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Post by auntbeast on Jun 5, 2007 11:40:05 GMT -5
Egads. So many questions and not a damned answer among them.
I planned on sticking with my prior vote for NAF, but in with the hindsight of storyteller being crew (which means I can curl up with him and eat cookies while he tells me a story)
++Vote Zuma++
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Post by Lakai on Jun 5, 2007 12:33:04 GMT -5
Since when is it a scum tell to talk about who killed the night's victim?
Good post ArizonaTeach. I vote Zuma.
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Post by Blaster Master on Jun 5, 2007 14:16:55 GMT -5
Apologies all for coming in a little late Today. I just skimmed over the posts, but I'll do a more indepth reading later tonight. In light of last nights events, I'm inclined to be suspicious of Zuma, but I'll refrain from voting there for now because of the sudden surge. FWIW, I'm not seeing the suspicion of Hockey Monkey and tirial. The first strikes me more as a townie who is a little wanton with her votes; for the latter, I just don't have enough input to make a good judgment at this point.
Bah, I'll ellaborate more after a better read through the first part of this day.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 5, 2007 14:47:00 GMT -5
Huh...I was wondering where this wave of zuma votes was coming from, so I checked back through the day's discussion. Looks like this flu is screwing with my ability to read clearly the first time through, 'cause I'm letting the easy ones slip by. AZ, this is why I voted for you on day one and two. Obviously you are town,...<snip> Seems to me the only ones who could find someone's townliness "obvious" are the ones who know exactly which side each of us is on. Vote zuma.
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Post by capybara on Jun 5, 2007 15:00:14 GMT -5
AZ, this is why I voted for you on day one and two. Obviously you are town,...<snip> Seems to me the only ones who could find someone's townliness "obvious" are the ones who know exactly which side each of us is on. Well, that was posted toDay, and unless we assume that AZ was lying yesterDay, his townliness IS relatively "obviously" toDay. . . I don't see how that's a dodgy phrase unless you're forcing it. I'm still not comfortable voting for Zuma, for reasons I suggested last page or so. None of the reasoning indicting him is compelling to me. My thinking's been shifting and several people who were way up on my scumodometer have shifted in my thoughts (not all of them but some of them) and I'm increasingly suspicious of those sort of under my radar. I'm saving my vote for later in the Day, but I don't think I'm going to head in Zuma's direction. I keep not agreeing with the mass movements-- I haven't seen anyone I really suspect in the sights of any of the lynch mobs, afraid to say, but the people I'm most suspicious of haven't contributed a lot today so it's hard to get more of a feel for them.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 5, 2007 15:50:08 GMT -5
capy:
I'm a bit more suspicious of zuma than capy is---notably because I was really struck by storyteller's post yesterDay---but I'm very uncomfortable with this sudden surge in votes. I don't know exactly where we're at now, but we need to be careful not to hit a majority...as past games have shown, it's immeasureably better if we don't rush into a vote.
More as I review stuff; after a few jam-packed days, I'm just now easing into not having to, y'know, work every second of my life.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 5, 2007 16:16:40 GMT -5
Quick side question -- the "toDay" and "yesterDay" I'm suddenly noticing...is that how we type when referring to game days?
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 5, 2007 19:36:46 GMT -5
The jumping on zuma seems a little premature to me, especially since AZTeach is now apparently a confirmed Officer (if anyone is going to counter-claim, they should before the end of the day, to catch the two would-be imposters). Careful, Officers, of scum jumping on bandwagons started by you.
But zuma does bother me some, based on the arguments made by others. I don't feel inclined to defend him.
And, also, people are finally looking at Tirial/Cookies, who I've been voting for almost alone for the past two Days. Except, I'm not buying my own complaints against him anymore. ::headslap::
No vote from me yet.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 5, 2007 19:44:21 GMT -5
I agree - let's not end toDay early (yeah, Hal, I think that's the new convention, but it does look a little odd, no?). That's why I didn't vote yet, because I want to hear some other people's opinions. But, rereading storyteller's post again, I noticed how often zuma and capybara defend each other. I hadn't realized that before. Capybara wasn't on his list of "presumed townies" at the beginning of the game, but appeared there out of the blue when people started suspecting her. And when the pendulum starts to swing against zuma, capy is right there trying to lead us away...
Looking at previous posts, she also defends him somewhat on Day One, post 291.
It seems a little...obvious for the both of them to be pirates, but I think I might have an explanation for that.
There's just no way I can reconcile his vote for me on Day Two with what he's been saying or the actions of a crew. No way.
All this leads me to think this: I'm not entirely convinced that zuma is pirate. I'm actually more inclined to believe that he's one of the three pirate-aligned non-pirates and that he may be trying to bring himself to the pirates' attention so they don't off him. That came to me today while I was grading about 100 freshman essays at a workshop, so my brain could be frazzled.
I mentioned this before, but we need to keep an eye on Sneaky Sam. Remember, by this time Sam has confirmed the roles on two of us.
Please, comments people? The three votes for zuma, I appreciate, but I'd rather see discussion than blue coloring right now. We have two days.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 5, 2007 20:39:00 GMT -5
I don't know if any of this will be helpful or not, but since I took the time to do it, I thought I'd share.
It hit me that there are not a whole lot of posts happening toDay, and I thought there might be some people we haven't heard from at all. In particular, I was thinking of cowgirl. I went through toDay's posts and noted who had posted. Here is my list, it's in order of appearance toDay.
capybara - #3, 6, 7, 9, 11, 18, 26, 27, 29, 45, 48, 56, 59, 77 (14 total) zuma - #4, 64, 65 (3 total) Gadarene - #5, 63, 78 (3 total: availability thread notes a big sentencing hearing this week.) DiggitCamara - #8, 41, 43, 47, 52 (5 total) MadTheSwine - #10, 14, 16, 71 (4 total) Lakai - #12, 13, 74 (3 total) Idle Thoughts - #15 (1 total) Hockey Monkey - #17, 19, 39, 53, 57, 58 and this one (7 total) panamajack - #20, 21, 36, 37, 38, 61 (6 total) Hal Briston - #22, 28, 76, 79 (4 total) ArizonaTeach - #23, 46, 49, 50, 54, 67, 70, 81 (8 total) Autolycus - #24, 51, 55, 60, 62 (5 total) tirial - #25, 30 (2 total: availability thread notes sparse posting due to certification renewal due Friday) NAF - #31, 33, 34, 35, 42, 72 (6 total) Pleonast - #32, 40, 44, 80 (4 total) Malacandra - vote count at #66 FCOD - #68, 69 (2 total) Auntbeast - #73 (1) Blaster Master - #75 (1)
Cowgirl has indeed been absent all Day. I'm more worried than suspicious. Does anyone know if she had obligations? What I am more suspicious of are those who have only posted once or twice in the 2 days this Day has been active. Most noteably, Idle Thoughts, Auntbeast, and Blaster Master. Idle Thought's only post was #15, very early in the game, and he hasn't been back. It's not like the thread has been moving fast over the last 48 hours.
I don't even know if it was worth bringing up in the context of game play, but does anyone have any insight as to why we've had such light posting? or if any of the light posters have obligations not noted in the availablity thread?
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Post by capybara on Jun 5, 2007 20:42:37 GMT -5
Now, why oh why, does defending someone have to be a scumtell? What if a crewmember thinks that someone else is a crewmember and doesn't want a crewmember to be strung up? There are several people I've stated I suspect are crew when they've been attacked for whatever reason. Is it not possible to think someone's town, or is it just scummy to say so? Do we keep our mouths shut as we watch you guys string up another crewmember? If you want to vote to string up Zuma, go ahead. I also argued that I thought 'Roo was crew as well. Do we look at the "positive statement"/"negative statement" chart and string up the positive-speaking people?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 5, 2007 22:50:21 GMT -5
Okay, time to catch up and do my usual recap of things and observations I've made and things I have to say to them. First of all, sorry to storyteller and Kyrie. I actually was suspicious of Kyrie myself but it wasn't as strong as others were at the time. Storeyteller is not too surprising, but Kyrie? Back in the Werewolf days,one of the scummiest things I noticed was when werewolf dnooman asked a question like Zuma's here. Dnooman said "anyone else wondering why the heck they killed Rysto last night?" I thought,at the time, he had just hung himself with such an obvious tell, but no one else picked up on it,course I didn't say anything cause I was a wolf myself. I know it is early in the day,and early votes are frowned upon,but since he has pinged me more than once ,especially with this last post,I am gonna vote zuma. This makes sense to me. Even though Lakai later says that it's odd to her and that it doesn't really mean that it means anything. But I also had some pretty good suspicions of zuma on Day two so it's not only you. Speaking of which, I don't know what to make of FCODs and AZteach's role claim. I suppose that they could be lying but wouldn't the real people of these roles then express some misgivings about trusting them? I haven't really seen anyone do that yet. Anyway a few things of what our self-proclaimed Capt S says: Whew. Quick thoughts before I go to bed. My assumption is that the pirates felt it was more important to take out vanillas then a couple masons this early in the game. I noticed that in M2, but it won't be long. I'll reiterate what I said at the end of last night - there HAS to be a small amount of pirates - very small - because there are three pirate-aligned roles as well, the crew has no detective to speak of, the doctor's protection doesn't always work, the number of officer roles is set and known to all, and nobody is making night-kills in the ship's favor. If there were more than five pirates at the start of the game, we're screwed. Otherwise, over 1/3 of the players are aligned pirate with virtually no chance except for blind luck on Steele's part to discover who they are. That's not sour grapes, I'm just saying this is more difficult than any of the the other games so far for the good guys. That's true. I think, with the number of players, that there are about three original pirates. I'd be VERY surprised if there were just two, but hey, maybe there were. But then there's also Dick and Ben who could become potential pirates as well so that'd be a total of five (maybe) in the end. They're like delayed pirates, in a way, so the town has a chance to find some before they're transformed. Plus Ben seems like s/he's got a high chance of never becoming one so I guess we'll see (plus aren't we not even sure that role is in this game?). That pinged my meter too. Capy's sudden change. Rest snipped. But again, it's hard to know if you and FCOD are scum or what you say you are. While we're thinking about Zuma: I have conflicted feelings. Although he's made some odd statements I tend to think he's crew because (and several of you won't agree with this reasoning for obvious reasons) he voted to bring day 1 to a tie when I was about to snuff it, and since I'm crew (bear with me, AZ and FCOD-- suspend your disbelief) I don't see why he would have done that if he were a pirate and knew that I were crew, unless he was really dicking around and likes chaos. There could be many reasons he'd do this if he were scum. If you were scum OR crew. You being scum, he'd be saving your skin. You being crew, he'd be covering his tracks and trying to garner your trust. And looking back on it, Idle Thoughts, sorry about the joke earlier. I think I've just cottoned onto your comment in P15. If Deadeye Dick took out storyteller then yes, I would imagine that the scum would like him. Haha, quite all right. I laughed actually. It was interesting reading NAFs history of Kyrie. I'm also very surprised at how scummy Kyrie looked based on some of his posts even when I know he's town now. : / Question for everyone : What do you think of hockeymonkey's last-minute attack on me? I'm trying to figure out if it really is something a crew would do, or a pirate trying to up the confusion by throwing another name in the mix. To my mind, in that situation, honest crew wouldn't pop up with a brand-new name unless they were really sure about it. While I certainly think the case against me is unfounded, I don't want to make any judgement about it without hearing what others think of it. Speaking as someone who has been suspciouis of hockeymonkey when we were still on the other ship, I'd say it was suspicious. Then again, you could be scum too. : p This is interesting. I said the exact thing about her in Day two. Since we know that MHaye is Crew and presuming that FlyingCow is as well, I'm trying to see what we can learn about HockeyMonkey's scumminess. Like tactical votes to protect him or hinder one of the others. Nothing really stands out to me on first look-through. Maybe someone else can find an incriminating vote or two. EXCUSE me? hockey voted, so far, for both people who have been lynched (and were town) thus far. She was also very quick to hop on the Mhaye train before she had a full train against her (she had two at the time, although I did credit this to saving her own neck). Thing is, she quickly changed to someone else near the end and while she explained this already, I dunno. It would have come out to be the same anyway with just sticking with Mhaye. So in the end, what do we have? I'm still very suspicious of hockey, but who isn't? I'm not ready to vote for her again though as some of her explainations (more specifically the one she gave to panamajack) made me rethink a bit. I still feel it wouldn't have made a difference much, but maybe she was just desperate to show how much she's sure of herself. Pleonast is also pinging me now. Mostly just feelings but also apparently posting with his eyes shut (see my reply to his quote above). : p And finally capy is still up there some as is Lakai, but it's not as much as others, as I've said. And finally, we have this post here: vote: TirialTirial seems to be jumping around between suspicion based on whomever the flavor of the day is, especially when fingered for suspicion, but mostly because Pleonast made some really good points about Tirial's scumminess. Like it or not Pleonast, I still trust you, my old mason bud. Well, that did it. Tirial?! I mean I'm suspicious of everyone, just like everyone (save for the actual pirates) is but that just seems out of left field and really really looks shady. I mean NAF voted for her too, yesterday and also today again, but at least he had reasons. This along with your posts toward AZteach put you top of my list. vote zuma
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 5, 2007 23:11:35 GMT -5
Egads. So many questions and not a damned answer among them. I planned on sticking with my prior vote for NAF, but in with the hindsight of storyteller being crew (which means I can curl up with him and eat cookies while he tells me a story) ++Vote Zuma++
I'm a bit bothered that Auntbeast's only post for the Entire Day was to swoop in and drop an unexplained vote. Idle Thought's only post for the Day was a joke. Blaster Master did acknowledge he came into the Day late, and refrained from voting yet. FOS on Auntbeast for making an unexplained vote her only post so far. I'm beginning to be suspicious of zuma based on the analysis of storyteller and ArizonaTeach, but I'm not feeling a need to change my vote yet. I would like to see some more discussion. Did everybody just take a break today?
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Post by zuma on Jun 5, 2007 23:18:57 GMT -5
Jesus, AZ, your theories get loonier and loonier. You dredge up that Storeyteller post which I apparently explained to Storey's satisfaction enough to unvote me, including the "bandwagon" accusasion, and now you're prattling on about not being a pirate and but one of the other roles? Did you just pull that out of your ass? At least start coming up with reasons behind your hairbrained theories.
I voted for you on days one and two because I saw you giving what I considered bad advice to the town, which I found scummy. And frankly, you're continuing to do it.
Why is it so hard for it to penetrate your skull that I threw day 1 into a tie based on my (albeit limited) experience that the most vocal people early in the game are much more likely to be town. I thought KatiRoo was more likely to be a pirate. Plain and simple. If you weren't confirmed town at this point I'd be voting for you again.
Frankly, I'm done engaging with you. You're doing way more damage to us than good at this point.
I'm more convinced that Capy is town at this point, in fact, probably more convinced she's town than anyone. If Capy were a pirate, she'd not be here defending me. However, if Capy were town, she'd be pretty inclined to believe I was as well, as my last-minute vote which saved her on day one would not be something a pirate would do... I'd just have let her swing.
Meanwhile, one of the scummiest posts I've seen today is Hal attempting to add fuelt to the fire by claiming that only a pirate would know that AZ and FCOD are "obviously" town. Are you even paying attention, Hal?
Similarly, Idle. You're not seriously suggesting at this point that you do not know what to make of AZ and FCOD's claims and suggesting that they may actually be scum? You don't honestly think the "real" people in those roles would be dumb enough to remain quiet, do you?
FOS: Hal Briston FOS: Idle Thoughts
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 5, 2007 23:39:10 GMT -5
;D Idle posts while I'm composing. And a nice post at that. I don't think I'm the only crewman to have voted for the dearly departed. In MII, I was a beat cop who managed to vote for crew most of the time. We outnumber the pirates. Probably by a lot. I've learned from the other games that crew comes off scummy. That's why I want to focus on people who are not seeming all that scummy right now. And that is really hard because there isn't really anything to base a vote on. Katiroo seemed scummy to me. Mhaye made an error with a post that came off scummy. Hindsight and all that. So I'm sticking with my vote for panamajack for now because his play is so similar to that of storyteller's in MII. (It is to me anyway.)
The people who are flying low under the radar need to be pulled out and examined.
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Post by zuma on Jun 5, 2007 23:49:16 GMT -5
[game off]
I came across a little harsh in my last post... I apologize for that. It's all in good fun and it's a little easy to get frustrated and overheated while posting.
[game on]
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Post by auntbeast on Jun 6, 2007 0:29:20 GMT -5
I'm a bit bothered that Auntbeast's only post for the Entire Day was to swoop in and drop an unexplained vote. FOS on Auntbeast for making an unexplained vote her only post so far. Yeah, except for the fact I explained it. I had not really read anything to change my mind from the person I had voted for on the previous day whom I specified was NAF and was intending to vote for NAF again, but in light of storyteller being town and taking his posts into account with a bit more credibility than he had before..I changed my vote. Call it swooping, call it whatever you want, but understand that posting JUST to post so people won't give you shit about posting is rather lame and one aspect of this game that bothers me. I'm a pretty verbose person in general, but I'd rather post when I have something to say. To be honest, I wasn't particularly thrilled about posting earlier because I felt like I didn't have enough to say, to say anything, but that I had better do it, otherwise a shit storm would start. I know it makes people comfortable to analyze every letter typed. The more we type, the more you can analyze. The down side is we have 18 pages of people covering their asses. It gets harder to separate the wheat from the chaff and we end up getting 3 crew members killed and not one damned pirate. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. *shrug*
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