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Jan 30, 2013 16:10:14 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jan 30, 2013 16:10:14 GMT -5
What she's saying, Lightfoot, is that assuming one's Cardinal Sin is Sloth, that maybe one of the ways to commit that sin is to not vote during a Day. It's conjecture, she's not claiming to be Slothful. I agree with you about Patricia. I know how my Cardinal Sin works, but I don't know how Patricia knows how they work if she doesn't have one. If she keeps this up she's going to need a bigger shovel. You are assuming that is what Jan meant my point is she didn't type it that way... I agree about the shovel
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Jan 30, 2013 16:16:10 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 30, 2013 16:16:10 GMT -5
I thought I was quite articulate the fist time I typed, my suspicion of Patricia is still as strong as it was when I voted for her.
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Jan 30, 2013 16:18:28 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 30, 2013 16:18:28 GMT -5
Patricia doesn't seem to know the difference between sins and Cardinal Sins, from my PM that was a given.
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Jan 30, 2013 17:06:51 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 30, 2013 17:06:51 GMT -5
Storyteller You're right. I guess I was tired last night - I don't know why you were in the 1 post bunch. I used the post count from this board. Even if you had just one post, you are no longer in my lurker pile as per your post. All I wanted to achieve was to poke the lurkers. On that note, I will unvote those that have responded since (my remaining lurkers now have 2 posts in total). Unvote: Wombat99 [/color] Unvote: storyteller0910 [/color] Unvote: texcat [/color] Unvote: BillMc [/color] HoleyMoley!You are confusing me. I am not 100% certain you are not scum. I think I have an idea at the moment, but there are still too many confusions and uncertainties. I haven't reread Plankton, so I still don't really understand why you are asking that question. I know you are hinting at something, and I thought I knew what that was until you brought him into the picture. I also do not understand how you can know I am town (other than you being scum or you having an investigative day power). In short: No, I am not at all certain about Plankton, but I will reread him. I don't see scum HolyMoley! acting the way he does, so: Unvote: HolyMoley! [/color][/quote] I don't have anything on Plankton; I was just wondering if you did, given the exchange between you two. I think what you assumed I was hinting at was absolutely correct. Are we good?
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Jan 30, 2013 17:30:17 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 30, 2013 17:30:17 GMT -5
I’m surprised there has not been comments on this post. ~~~snipped~ I'm assuming that you have absolute knowledge (or close enough) that I'm not a devil, but aren't sure if I'm third-party or not. There's a way you could have that knowledge and I thought you were alluding to it in your post. If I'm wrong about that, let me know. There's no way that you could possibly have that particular knowledge if you were a devil (I know that for a fact from my own role PM) so I'm also assuming that you're not one. You have additional knowledge- according to this bit here- If I were a devil you would be on the short list for NK ----please consider sharing as much as you can before that happens Are you advocating a non hostile third ‘faction’ or denying one? I’m just trying to track your statements I think you meant you are unvoting at the people you think aren’t Scum- The problem with using multi votes in the manner that you have is -- if the game takes a turn- in your absence – your vote on that person could be a tie breaker and you have not a whit of culpability. Using your tactic I think it’s important that you be sure to be here EOD On point 1: That's not an issue. If I die tonight, it won't hurt the town in any way other than my loss would under normal circumstances. On point 2: I don't believe it's likely that there are win-stealing PFKs, at least in "live" play. (As opposed to the dead variety, whatever that turns out to be.) My role PM states specifically that I have to beat the devils. It does not mention any other threat. On point 3: I shouldn't have any problem being around tomorrow evening. I am reconsidering my strategy right now because I thought I'd have far, far fewer votes by this point than I actually do have.
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Jan 30, 2013 17:34:07 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 30, 2013 17:34:07 GMT -5
At this point, I honestly can't tell if patricia is a Townie who doesn't quite understand her PM and/or is having trouble articulating her points, or is a Devil who is trying to make sense of Townie information she's read in the thread and incorporate it into her story without having the full picture.
In the interest of analysis, patricia, I see you haven't placed any votes yet. You've spent the majority of your posts defending and explaining yourself. Is there anybody you think is suspicious or is scum? As you are the runaway lynch candidate right now with less than 24 hours left until EOD, if you are Town, any opinions you might have may be useful. If you are Scum, however, I completely understand your preoccupation with defending yourself over hunting your fellow scum, and feel free to not vote.
Also, in the interest of encouragement, I'm going to go ahead and vote for people who have not placed a vote yet.
Vote BillMc Vote gnarlycharlie Vote LaurieRN Vote patricia Vote Solaris
Considering we can vote for as many people as we want, I feel there is no excuse to not have a vote on somebody at EOD. Having no vote record to analyze later is very frustrating, especially if said people are Town.
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Jan 30, 2013 17:55:17 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 30, 2013 17:55:17 GMT -5
Patricia doesn't seem to know the difference between sins and Cardinal Sins, from my PM that was a given. Mine too. That point alone baffles me. I can understand freaking out and saying you don't have a cardinal sin, if the wording on her role PM is the same as my own. But to still be confusing cardinal sins and normal "sins"... I don't understand how there can be this much discussion on the point, plus the role PMs which have been posted in the in-game thread, and not be sure on the difference between them. I'm flip-flopping on Patricia like crazy right now. I can't see how she could've received the Christian wincons, seen all the arguments, read what everyone's posted, and still not be sure on this point. So that means... what? A benign third-party? A hostile third-party (whose existence isn't even acknowledged in the role PM?) Some kind of single isolated devil who's not part of a main "scum team"? One thing I'm feeling more confident about though... I cannot see how her play, and her lack of knowledge, makes any kind of sense if she has the same wincon as I do and has been following the game. Ergo, Vote: Patricia. Again.
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Jan 30, 2013 18:01:01 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 30, 2013 18:01:01 GMT -5
If Patricia was doing Cardinal Sins during her gameplay then it would make her look much more Townie to me. That's also not what I meant, Patricia could be just a Vanilla Town and doesn't have Cardinal sins. When was it established that Vanilla Town == 'has no Cardinal Sin'? I know there has been speculation on that point (I speculated it myself), but you seem to be taking it as fact here.
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Jan 30, 2013 18:15:17 GMT -5
Post by mistervisceral on Jan 30, 2013 18:15:17 GMT -5
To reveal what cardinal sins are would be detrimental to the town's cause. Let's not go there. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
At least for myself, it has nothing to do with the recent speculations involving "Sloth" or whatever. One's cardinal sin does not affect their gameplay other than DON'T REVEAL IT.
Again, this is just how it is from my point of view. Soooo hush.
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Jan 30, 2013 18:16:30 GMT -5
Post by mistervisceral on Jan 30, 2013 18:16:30 GMT -5
And by "from my point of view" I mean "according to my PM and role". This is actually fact for me that discussing how cardinal sins work is bad.
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Jan 30, 2013 19:37:10 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jan 30, 2013 19:37:10 GMT -5
To reveal what cardinal sins are would be detrimental to the town's cause. Let's not go there. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. At least for myself, it has nothing to do with the recent speculations involving "Sloth" or whatever. One's cardinal sin does not affect their gameplay other than DON'T REVEAL IT. Again, this is just how it is from my point of view. Soooo hush. This is the second time you have told us to shush - my comment earlier was something that any Scum would have picked up on My 'c' relates to each player ( that has shared that bit- or admitted to it) NOT revealing THEIR CSin I don't see how discussing sins in general should be shushed it's obvious to me that it is indeed related to the game
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Jan 30, 2013 20:53:14 GMT -5
Post by mistervisceral on Jan 30, 2013 20:53:14 GMT -5
I'm assuming scum does not know how sins or cardinal sins work. From what I see, saying anything about cardinal sins gives them a foothold. Not even our specific cardinal sins, cardinal sin technicality talk is bad. Because when you're wrong about them I feel like telling you you're wrong (because I get off on that), and the scum, believe it or not, gets more information. More information that is directly opposed to the town win condition. So trust my word on this. It isn't good to discuss. What matters right now is scum hunting. Semantics will become relevant when they become relevant.
As for regular sins, go to town.
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Jan 30, 2013 21:55:20 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jan 30, 2013 21:55:20 GMT -5
I'm assuming scum does not know how sins or cardinal sins work. From what I see, saying anything about cardinal sins gives them a foothold. Not even our specific cardinal sins, cardinal sin technicality talk is bad. Because when you're wrong about them I feel like telling you you're wrong (because I get off on that), and the scum, believe it or not, gets more information. More information that is directly opposed to the town win condition. So trust my word on this. It isn't good to discuss. What matters right now is scum hunting. Semantics will become relevant when they become relevant. As for regular sins, go to town. You are under the assumption that Scum have less information than Town about Cardinal sins I doubt that- it would be the first game where Scum had less info than Town for me ( but that may be just me) We can assume we are dealing with the ‘big 7 and if it gives us a topic of discussion – even in abstract- discussion is always good OH I agree players ( as admonished in their PM’s- ) should not mention their specific CSin – but a big fat shush is not necessary IMO I am ass/u/me ing that some Scum have CSins as well-( but none of them are going to correct me of course) One of the most important things about this game We do not know the Mod’s religious beliefs And it would be folly to assume that this game will follow the theology of the book that IRL Christians follow
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Jan 30, 2013 22:33:25 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 30, 2013 22:33:25 GMT -5
I'm assuming scum does not know how sins or cardinal sins work. From what I see, saying anything about cardinal sins gives them a foothold. Not even our specific cardinal sins, cardinal sin technicality talk is bad. Because when you're wrong about them I feel like telling you you're wrong (because I get off on that), and the scum, believe it or not, gets more information. More information that is directly opposed to the town win condition. So trust my word on this. It isn't good to discuss. What matters right now is scum hunting. Semantics will become relevant when they become relevant. As for regular sins, go to town. While I agree with you that cardinal sins should really stay off the table for discussion as much as possible, I feel you're misrepresenting what the Devils may or may not know. If we take the information Idle gave us at face value, he says: d. If a Devil can determine a Christian's Cardinal Sin, the Devil can claim their soul for Hell (this is bad). Now as far as I can tell, even if Devils have the same hints towards their win condition as Christians do, they must have some idea of what cardinal sins are as it ties into how they can claim Christian souls. To assume Devils have no knowledge of cardinal sins at all, and all the information they get is from big mouthed Townies is probably a detrimental assumption. Especially because mentally you may check off people who talk about them appropriately as Townie when they're Devils with extra knowledge. Of course, the patricia lynch may help us with that overall, as her lynch will determine whether she's a confused Christian or a confused Devil, and if she turns up confused Devil then we know that their information may be limited to a degree.
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Jan 30, 2013 22:42:43 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jan 30, 2013 22:42:43 GMT -5
I have to agree with Lightfoot and Pollux on their posts above re: Cardinal Sins. It is unwise to assume the Devils have no knowledge at all. But I also have to agree with MisterVisceral that maybe we shouldn't get into a discussion about them now.
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Jan 30, 2013 22:59:28 GMT -5
Post by crys on Jan 30, 2013 22:59:28 GMT -5
I'm assuming scum does not know how sins or cardinal sins work. From what I see, saying anything about cardinal sins gives them a foothold. Not even our specific cardinal sins, cardinal sin technicality talk is bad. Because when you're wrong about them I feel like telling you you're wrong (because I get off on that), and the scum, believe it or not, gets more information. More information that is directly opposed to the town win condition. So trust my word on this. It isn't good to discuss. What matters right now is scum hunting. Semantics will become relevant when they become relevant. As for regular sins, go to town. While I agree with you that cardinal sins should really stay off the table for discussion as much as possible, I feel you're misrepresenting what the Devils may or may not know. If we take the information Idle gave us at face value, he says: d. If a Devil can determine a Christian's Cardinal Sin, the Devil can claim their soul for Hell (this is bad). Now as far as I can tell, even if Devils have the same hints towards their win condition as Christians do, they must have some idea of what cardinal sins are as it ties into how they can claim Christian souls. To assume Devils have no knowledge of cardinal sins at all, and all the information they get is from big mouthed Townies is probably a detrimental assumption. Especially because mentally you may check off people who talk about them appropriately as Townie when they're Devils with extra knowledge. Of course, the patricia lynch may help us with that overall, as her lynch will determine whether she's a confused Christian or a confused Devil, and if she turns up confused Devil then we know that their information may be limited to a degree. I tend to agree with this pollux. I would think that the devils would have to know more about how the cardinal sins work if they are to use them to their advantage. I would also think that maybe scum may not have cardinal sins. My thought process on this basically boils down to the fact if they use a players cardinal sin against them they claim that soul for hell. Considering the scum team name is devils I don't think it would be a major reach to ass u me that devils souls will already be destined for hell. I also wonder if there is another in game mechanic of a player that can figure out something about a devil and then "save" that soul for heaven. I wish the scum would cooperate and tell us, but we all know that isn't happening.
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Jan 30, 2013 23:11:22 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jan 30, 2013 23:11:22 GMT -5
I have to agree with Lightfoot and Pollux on their posts above re: Cardinal Sins. It is unwise to assume the Devils have no knowledge at all. But I also have to agree with MisterVisceral that maybe we shouldn't get into a discussion about them now. Can you pick which side of the see-saw you are going to sit on please?
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Jan 30, 2013 23:49:44 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jan 30, 2013 23:49:44 GMT -5
I have to agree with Lightfoot and Pollux on their posts above re: Cardinal Sins. It is unwise to assume the Devils have no knowledge at all. But I also have to agree with MisterVisceral that maybe we shouldn't get into a discussion about them now. Can you pick which side of the see-saw you are going to sit on please? I'm not on a see-saw. I don't see that agreeing with what you and Pollux had to say regarding the information the devils may or may not know was at odds with agreeing that we perhaps should table the discussion on it for the moment.
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Jan 31, 2013 6:03:22 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 31, 2013 6:03:22 GMT -5
I'm 100% in favor of tabling the sins discussion, and I don't see the point of bringing it back up later either.
Apparently a fraction of us greater than 0 and less than 1 have Cardinal Sins... I'm guessing at least seven of us and probably more like "most of us". I have one, and I don't see any sense in talking about it any further - unless you have my Sin, you don't need to know how it works, and if you do share my sin, you already know how it works. We don't need to talk about it any more than that, because we don't know what the scum know and we don't know what information is useful to them or not.
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Jan 31, 2013 7:50:31 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Jan 31, 2013 7:50:31 GMT -5
At this point, I honestly can't tell if patricia is a Townie who doesn't quite understand her PM and/or is having trouble articulating her points, or is a Devil who is trying to make sense of Townie information she's read in the thread and incorporate it into her story without having the full picture. In the interest of analysis, patricia, I see you haven't placed any votes yet. You've spent the majority of your posts defending and explaining yourself. Is there anybody you think is suspicious or is scum? As you are the runaway lynch candidate right now with less than 24 hours left until EOD, if you are Town, any opinions you might have may be useful. If you are Scum, however, I completely understand your preoccupation with defending yourself over hunting your fellow scum, and feel free to not vote. Also, in the interest of encouragement, I'm going to go ahead and vote for people who have not placed a vote yet. Vote BillMc Vote gnarlycharlie Vote LaurieRN Vote patricia Vote SolarisConsidering we can vote for as many people as we want, I feel there is no excuse to not have a vote on somebody at EOD. Having no vote record to analyze later is very frustrating, especially if said people are Town. I know that I haven't voted and I'm not going to - If I had any idea who is a devil I would vote for them but beacuse of my error and then lying to try to fix it - everyone has taken the lazy vote on the liar out today. If I was going to vote it would be on you. You seem to think everyone should vote - But I know as maybe do some of the other non voters today that a vote on a non devil is a sin - and I would like to die with as few sins as possible since death is not the end but just a transfer to heaven or hell.
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Jan 31, 2013 7:52:21 GMT -5
Post by lauriern on Jan 31, 2013 7:52:21 GMT -5
Sorry I have been MIA. Crazy busy in RL right now. I'm off to work and will not be back by EOD. I believe this is the game where I get a penalty if I don't vote, so I'm voting for someone who has no votes since I don't have time to read 11 pages. Vote: Pollux I'm hoping things settle down this w/e. (BUT, I thought that last w/e too and ended up with more patients) If things continue to be crazy, I'll request a sub. Sorry, All (and especially Pleo)
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Jan 31, 2013 8:59:29 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jan 31, 2013 8:59:29 GMT -5
I am trying to catch up from a couple of days. On top of everything else I have caught a nasty cold... If there is a God or Jesus in this game, I would like to chat with you about some personal issues... Just Kidding...
I don't know if Patricia is scum or not. I know in previous games I have made misunderstanding and mistakes and have lied about parts of my PM to protect me...
I used to be a candidate for lynch the lurker, but have found that is not always the best reason to lynch someone. Sometimes town/Christians have a valid reason to lurk.
I had my reasons to vote for Holy Moley but since have unvoted him, I doubt that scum or Devil would come out like that,l but not ruling it out completely.
I don't have a very good read on anyone else at the moment so I am going to vote Vote No Lynch. A no lynch does not help town 100% but the chances of a mis-lynch on day 1 is greater than catching a devil on Day 1. I could use another day to try to think about all this.
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Jan 31, 2013 9:08:14 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 31, 2013 9:08:14 GMT -5
Nobody is voting for Ginger, ryjae, or SisC. Suspicious!
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Jan 31, 2013 9:23:19 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jan 31, 2013 9:23:19 GMT -5
Nobody is voting for Ginger, ryjae, or SisC. Suspicious! I had vote. Holey Moley voted me and decided to take his vote off me due to my personal issues, which I told him not to do. I personally think he is still suspicious of me.
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Jan 31, 2013 10:40:25 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jan 31, 2013 10:40:25 GMT -5
Sorry I have been MIA. Crazy busy in RL right now. I'm off to work and will not be back by EOD. I believe this is the game where I get a penalty if I don't vote, so I'm voting for someone who has no votes since I don't have time to read 11 pages. Vote: Pollux [/color] I'm hoping things settle down this w/e. (BUT, I thought that last w/e too and ended up with more patients) If things continue to be crazy, I'll request a sub. Sorry, All (and especially Pleo) [/quote] Sorry that things are so crazy for you IRL! But...even though you don't have time to read 11 pages and catch up, you could vote No Lynch instead of placing an actual vote on someone you haven't made a case on. I find it suspicious that you would do this. You say you are making a vote just so you won't get a penalty, but we don't know if there is a mechanism for that or not. You should be voting to find scum. Your vote for someone who has no votes is a safe place you won't have to defend. You could have voted for the lynch leader instead without really having to defend it, (you could have said, "hey, RL is getting in the way of things right now and I don't have time to make my own case on Patricia, but yeah, it seems as though she's lying her ass off") so why not place your vote there instead? It seems like a really scummy thing to do to just drop a vote on someone jus because they don't have any votes and are in no danger of being lynched. Vote: lauriern [/b] (again, sorry that you are so busy and I hope you won't have to sub)
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Jan 31, 2013 11:15:18 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 31, 2013 11:15:18 GMT -5
Nobody is voting for Ginger, ryjae, or SisC. Suspicious! Why is our not having done anything to make people suspicious suspicious?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jan 31, 2013 11:36:30 GMT -5
Sorry I have been MIA. Crazy busy in RL right now. I'm off to work and will not be back by EOD. I believe this is the game where I get a penalty if I don't vote, so I'm voting for someone who has no votes since I don't have time to read 11 pages. Vote: Pollux [/color] I'm hoping things settle down this w/e. (BUT, I thought that last w/e too and ended up with more patients) If things continue to be crazy, I'll request a sub. Sorry, All (and especially Pleo) [/quote] Sorry that things are so crazy for you IRL! But...even though you don't have time to read 11 pages and catch up, you could vote No Lynch instead of placing an actual vote on someone you haven't made a case on. I find it suspicious that you would do this. You say you are making a vote just so you won't get a penalty, but we don't know if there is a mechanism for that or not. You should be voting to find scum. Your vote for someone who has no votes is a safe place you won't have to defend. You could have voted for the lynch leader instead without really having to defend it, (you could have said, "hey, RL is getting in the way of things right now and I don't have time to make my own case on Patricia, but yeah, it seems as though she's lying her ass off") so why not place your vote there instead? It seems like a really scummy thing to do to just drop a vote on someone jus because they don't have any votes and are in no danger of being lynched. Vote: lauriern (again, sorry that you are so busy and I hope you won't have to sub)[/quote] There is a part in the rules about not having an active vote in place by the EOD you will get a penalty. Just fyi
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Jan 31, 2013 11:49:46 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jan 31, 2013 11:49:46 GMT -5
Sorry that things are so crazy for you IRL! But...even though you don't have time to read 11 pages and catch up, you could vote No Lynch instead of placing an actual vote on someone you haven't made a case on. I find it suspicious that you would do this. You say you are making a vote just so you won't get a penalty, but we don't know if there is a mechanism for that or not. You should be voting to find scum. Your vote for someone who has no votes is a safe place you won't have to defend. You could have voted for the lynch leader instead without really having to defend it, (you could have said, "hey, RL is getting in the way of things right now and I don't have time to make my own case on Patricia, but yeah, it seems as though she's lying her ass off") so why not place your vote there instead? It seems like a really scummy thing to do to just drop a vote on someone jus because they don't have any votes and are in no danger of being lynched. Vote: lauriern (again, sorry that you are so busy and I hope you won't have to sub) There is a part in the rules about not having an active vote in place by the EOD you will get a penalty. Just fyi OK, I had forgotten about that. But my point about the vote itself still stands.
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Jan 31, 2013 11:57:44 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 31, 2013 11:57:44 GMT -5
Nobody is voting for Ginger, ryjae, or SisC. Suspicious! Why is our not having done anything to make people suspicious suspicious? I was kidding. Mostly. Defensive much?
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Jan 31, 2013 12:36:19 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 31, 2013 12:36:19 GMT -5
I know that I haven't voted and I'm not going to - If I had any idea who is a devil I would vote for them but beacuse of my error and then lying to try to fix it - everyone has taken the lazy vote on the liar out today. If I was going to vote it would be on you. You seem to think everyone should vote - But I know as maybe do some of the other non voters today that a vote on a non devil is a sin - and I would like to die with as few sins as possible since death is not the end but just a transfer to heaven or hell. If I hadn't already voted for you for not voting, I would have voted for you for this, so that's cool. First off, voting for a non Devil is not a sin; lynching a Christian is (at least according to Idle). There's a difference, unless you have more information than I do. Therefore, if you're in the noose, you shouldn't be afraid of voting for who you think is suspicious. On top of that, if nobody ever votes for anyone, we'll never learn anything. Much like real life, if you're afraid of sin and simply don't do anything you'll never accomplish anything. So yes, I do believe everyone should vote because not voting (or throwing a vote on No Lynch/a random person ahem ahem I'm looking at you all those people that did that ) is an easy way for scum to confuse analyses and/or escape scrutiny when people go back and look at voting records. Sin, no sin, this game is still mafia so basic tenets of analysis and gameplay are the same. Second, you say you don't want to vote for anyone because you don't want sin and voting for non-Devils give you sin, and yet for some reason you don't want to vote for me? How exactly do you know I'm a non-Devil that will give you sin? Unvote LaurieRNSince she showed up and voted for me, albeit as a complete placeholder. She's still under watch, though, as she's not off the hook completely. Hopefully when she catches up she will do some analysis.
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