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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 27, 2013 20:08:23 GMT -5
Yeah, uh, I have no idea what is going on about the mass claim. The original list didn't include some people. Did it get updated? And if so, whose turn is it?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 27, 2013 20:11:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry if anyone was offended. By what?
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Post by texcat on Feb 27, 2013 20:12:29 GMT -5
I think we've abandoned all hope of going in any order.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 27, 2013 20:21:36 GMT -5
I think we've abandoned all hope of going in any order. Yah, I think it's pretty much a free-for-all at this point. For those of you who feel bound to go in some sort of order, I took the liberty of taking my list of non-claimed players from Post 168 and ran them through random.org...this is what it spit out: There were 7 items in your list. Here they are in random order: wombat99 Idle Thoughts CatInASuit ryjae Chucara mistervisceral mahaloth Timestamp: 2013-02-28 01:16:29 UTC We can use this for the order for the remaining claims....or not. Or if you've got nothing to hide, feel free to claim now
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 27, 2013 20:22:47 GMT -5
To me the mass claim is not helping things. Mahaloth have you claimed yet?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 27, 2013 20:26:50 GMT -5
I am going with this for now Vote CatinaSuitPlacing a tad bit more pressure...
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 27, 2013 20:44:13 GMT -5
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 27, 2013 20:44:30 GMT -5
I went out of order, but I see no reason to wait.
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Post by crys on Feb 27, 2013 22:24:24 GMT -5
Hmmm...that is certainly an interesting role, albeit completely passive.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 27, 2013 23:11:42 GMT -5
Plankton, have you charged or nullified anybody's votes apart from my own?
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 27, 2013 23:20:06 GMT -5
Vote: CIAS
I like Moley's case well enough.
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Post by guiri on Feb 28, 2013 4:04:48 GMT -5
This should be an updated list of claims and claimed actions: 01. Hockey Monkey! The Nun, Christian, Investigator/Mechanic/Manipulator, confirmed by Dizzy/Mr.V, no actions claimed 02. silverjan, The Quixote, Christian, Investigator, tracked Guiri N1-Solaris/Ginger, Suburban N4-Moley/Guiri 03. guiri, The Clerk, Christian, Investigator, Solaris N1, Crys N2, Suburban N4 04. wombat99, The Manichee, Heretic - redacted PM 06. JustBeingGinger, The Intercessor, Christian, Mechanic/Investigator, prayer, N1 prayed for Guiri-OK, N2 prayed for SisC-Heaven, N3 ?, N4 Lightfoot-Heaven 07. mistervisceral, The Monk, Christian, confirmed by Dizzy/Mr.V - no PM, 08. Mahaloth, The Exemplar, Christian, Mechanic - no power 09. scathach The Gravedigger, Christian, Investigator/Manipulator, Night coroner, redacted PM 11. Chucara - no claim 12. crys, The Medium, Pagan, Mechanic, message to SisC N2-failed, ? N3-failed, Lightfoot N4-failed - redacted PM 13. Suburban Plankton, The Baron, Christian, Mechanic, vote cancelled Moley N4 14. CatInASuit - no claim 16. Colby11, The Penitent, Christian, Killer/Mechanic, killed Lightfoot N3 17. texcat, The Executioner, Christian, Mechanic, Day coroner power not used D4, governor power proven D3 19. Idle Thoughts, clues - redacted PM 21. HolyMoley!, The Scientist, Heretic, Investigator - partial claim 23. BillMc, The Innocent, Christian, Mechanic, no actions 24. dizzymrslizzy, The Friar, Christian, Investigator/Mechanic/Manipulator, partial, confirmed by Hockey/Mr.V 26. ryjae, The Confessor, sin forgiver - no PM
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Post by scáthach on Feb 28, 2013 5:02:30 GMT -5
This should be an updated list of claims and claimed actions: 01. Hockey Monkey! The Nun, Christian, Investigator/Mechanic/Manipulator, confirmed by Dizzy/Mr.V, no actions claimed 02. silverjan, The Quixote, Christian, Investigator, tracked Guiri N1-Solaris/Ginger, Suburban N4-Moley/Guiri 03. guiri, The Clerk, Christian, Investigator, Solaris N1, Crys N2, Suburban N4 04. wombat99, The Manichee, Heretic - redacted PM 06. JustBeingGinger, The Intercessor, Christian, Mechanic/Investigator, prayer, N1 prayed for Guiri-OK, N2 prayed for SisC-Heaven, N3 ?, N4 Lightfoot-Heaven 07. mistervisceral, The Monk, Christian, confirmed by Dizzy/Mr.V - no PM, 08. Mahaloth, The Exemplar, Christian, Mechanic - no power 09. scathach The Gravedigger, Christian, Investigator/Manipulator, Night coroner, redacted PM 11. Chucara - no claim 12. crys, The Medium, Pagan, Mechanic, message to SisC N2-failed, ? N3-failed, Lightfoot N4-failed - redacted PM 13. Suburban Plankton, The Baron, Christian, Mechanic, vote cancelled Moley N4 14. CatInASuit - no claim 16. Colby11, The Penitent, Christian, Killer/Mechanic, killed Lightfoot N3 17. texcat, The Executioner, Christian, Mechanic, Day coroner power not used D4, governor power proven D3 19. Idle Thoughts, clues - redacted PM 21. HolyMoley!, The Scientist, Heretic, Investigator - partial claim 23. BillMc, The Innocent, Christian, Mechanic, no actions 24. dizzymrslizzy, The Friar, Christian, Investigator/Mechanic/Manipulator, partial, confirmed by Hockey/Mr.V 26. ryjae, The Confessor, sin forgiver - no PM ^^ Thanks for that - that's really handy and much neater than my hodge podge of notes. Unfortunately, there's no one's claim that sticks out as particularly dodgy, and I'm not sure that there's any point in me continuing to bulldog Bill. The recruitment bit is worrying however, just since it's perfectly possible for all these claims to have originally been true, and still have half of them be devils by now. @ HolyMoley You don't have to answer if there's a good reason not to, but did you ever explain why you were so sure Chucara was town? The odd number thing doesn't appear to be connected in any obvious way to your role claim?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 28, 2013 5:38:34 GMT -5
To me this just seems way too vanilla for this game. In how it was written, Mahaloth[/b[ would not know who tried to target him so he would not have to answer for it.
I also don't like how you did claim, you have been posting about the mass claim all Day and then when the list is posted for order of who is going to claim, you go out of turn and say why wait after I questioned if you had claimed. This just seems to vanilla for me in this game so:
Unvote CIAS
Vote Mahaloth
Has anyone cleared him? Maybe I should of asked this to begin with...
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Post by guiri on Feb 28, 2013 5:48:00 GMT -5
I don't think Maha's been cleared by anyone.
Maha, what exactly happens when a player targets you? Do they become immune to recruitment for the remainder of the game?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 28, 2013 5:59:38 GMT -5
Okay, so.. first of all, here's my role.
Current sins are 0, however.
I told everyone the number 1 of my powers, but am showing number 2 now.... ....however number 2 (gaining special powers in Purgatory) is moot for me right now, though....because a player only goes to Purgatory (as I understand it) if they die while having sins. I currently have 0 sins, so if I die, I go to Heaven, barring any Devils guessing my Cardinal Sin. Either way, good thing. I will try to stay sin-free.....but if I do happen to get any sins, it probably won't be the worst thing in the world provided I get killed by a Devil. Not sure why they'd want to kill me knowing I'd get special powers, though...and pretty sure they wouldn't want to kill me knowing I'd go to Heaven currently.
Anyway, on to the vote.
First of all, let me make a list.
02. silverjan 09. scathach 11. Chucara 13. Suburban Plankton - 1 penalty 14. CatInASuit 21. HolyMoley! - 1 penalty 23. BillMc
Okay...so, I'm not voting for Ryjae, for one. Connected to that, since I trust him, I trust his understanding of the role in that he would probably die if trying to clean a Devil....so by the same token, I'm not going to vote for Texcat or Colby.
I also believe the group of HockeyMonkey, MrV, and DizzyMrsLizzy...because Mason claims are a very risky move that I can't see scum trying (my own notwithstanding back in Mafia V---ahhh memories). Anyway, not going to vote for any of them.
Wombat had the smarts to mention Heretics first, in her subtle way. Therefore, I believe that if anyone is a Heretic, it's her since she knew about the name before anyone else mentioned it. I won't be voting for her.
The rest of the players I have no concrete thoughts about other than just various feels I've gotten over the course of the game.... ...so based on those feels, I will not be voting (toDay, at least) for Crys, JustBeingGinger, guiri, or Mahaloth, since have a more "Town" feel for them than I do possible scum.
As for the opposite end of that spectrum....I've increasingly become suspicious of Holy Moley in only a few short Days. I pretty much agreed with him for the most part the first few Days until that debate about our winning conditions, of which he was SO sure no other team was a threat based on what his winning condition said (which I believed to be the same as my own). SINCE THEN, HOWEVER, we learn he isn't a Christian, but--in fact--a Heretic. Well, aside from that huge line of bullshit he gave us...he's since seemed to become very cagey with his style of play, only partially claiming, voting for someone whom he previously thought of as innocent earlier (BillMc), and just just all round giving me a very bad vibe recently.
Same along those lines is silverjan...who has seemed to flip flop recently as much as patricia did on Day one when she was found out. Silverjan is voting for a claimed Mason, and a lot of her posts in this game seem to be very general...never going into many details and only revealing things when it suits her purpose. I believe her style of play is being VERY VERY sneaky/cautious this game--more than usual. To that end, I'm very suspicious of her.
Then finally we have Chucara, who has seemed to be busy this game (something I can understand), but when he posts, he doesn't ever seem to post about ANYTHING...just general stuff that is neither helpful or brings anything new to the table. Couple this with the fact that he was cleared by Holy Moley, someone I'm now very suspicious of, I'm equally suspicious on those he's clearing (along with the suspicions I've already had of Chucara).
So..
Vote Holey Moley Vote silverjan Vote Chucara [/color]
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Post by texcat on Feb 28, 2013 10:27:51 GMT -5
I agree with Ginger that Mahaloth's claim looks a little fishy, I am happy to leave my vote there. And I'll leave my vote on CIAS if he doesn't re-appear.
Moley, you've obviously omitted your super sekret handshake with Chucara from your claim. It might be time to share.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 28, 2013 10:36:06 GMT -5
Super-busy, can not post much. I have not been cleared to my knowledge, but if someone wants to investigate me tonight, go ahead. I'm not sure what is going to happen now that my power is out there. I may attract a lot of targeting. Or if you've got nothing to hide, feel free to claim now I took that as an indicator that I could claim when I did. I saw a couple other questions, but I have to leave my computer immediately. I'll try to be back later. I haven't voted yet, either, but I will.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 28, 2013 11:23:00 GMT -5
Yeah, another lunchtime meeting, so the end of the Day is postponed two hours until 2pm PT.
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Post by texcat on Feb 28, 2013 11:27:03 GMT -5
Moley reported a long time ago that there were 11 mechanics alive. I count 11 mechanic claims: the 3 masons ginger mahaloth crys suburban colby texcat idle bill
Unknown role types are: wombat chucara cias ryjae
Can any of those last 4 claim mechanic?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 28, 2013 11:38:57 GMT -5
Um, I think Ryjae has said numerous times that he's a mechanic.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 28, 2013 11:41:45 GMT -5
I don't think Maha's been cleared by anyone. Maha, what exactly happens when a player targets you? Do they become immune to recruitment for the remainder of the game? I asked Pleo this on Day 2(when I joined the game, remember). So, I have no idea and no further info. on recruitment.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 28, 2013 11:43:50 GMT -5
I agree with everyone else that Mahaloth's claim seems off. If he is telling the truth, it'll be like All stars all over again, but it seems too passive, especially for most of the powers
Vote: Mahaloth
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Post by BillMc on Feb 28, 2013 11:59:04 GMT -5
Vote: no lynch for now, hopefully time for a reread before day end
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 28, 2013 12:20:45 GMT -5
Plankton, have you charged or nullified anybody's votes apart from my own? No. I did not use that ability before last Night. And you know what...I'm getting really tired of the stonewalling by our Masons, so vote dizzymrslizzy vote Hockey Monkey! vote mistervisceral
At least until one of them deigns to give some sort of response to my questions.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 28, 2013 12:28:32 GMT -5
Do we really have 5 people without a single vote (plus one with only a vote for No Lynch), just 2 1/2 hours before the scheduled EoD?
Unvote: Holy Moley
Because I'm just not sure anymore
Vote: CatInASuit Vote: Chucara
For not claiming, not voting, basically not putting much interest in things at all right now.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 28, 2013 12:29:46 GMT -5
Plankton, have you charged or nullified anybody's votes apart from my own? No. I did not use that ability before last Night. And you know what...I'm getting really tired of the stonewalling by our Masons, so vote dizzymrslizzy vote Hockey Monkey! vote mistervisceral
At least until one of them deigns to give some sort of response to my questions. How are we stonewalling? I haven't seen a question I haven't tried to address. If I've missed something let me know. We've been more than helpful in my opinion.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 28, 2013 12:39:03 GMT -5
I agree with Suburban at this point.
Vote chucara Vote Catinasuit
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 28, 2013 12:42:27 GMT -5
How are we stonewalling? I haven't seen a question I haven't tried to address. If I've missed something let me know. We've been more than helpful in my opinion. Try these on for size: Here's a list of the people who have either claimed a Role or who have died and had their roles indentified: crys - Mechanic - can commune with the dead wombat - Mechanic - Unknown ability Pollux Oil - Investigator - could count sins LightFoot - Investigator - could investigate people she voted for Ginger - Mechanic/Investigator - can reduce sins (Mechanic), will learn where a player's soul is (Investigator) Scathach - Investigator/Manipulator - dead players' alignments will be revealed (Investigator), redacted power (presumably Manipulator) Sister Coyote - Killer/Investigator - could count players' sins (Investigator), unknown killing power (Killer) lauriern - Killer/Investigator - duelist (Killer), unknown investigaive power, possibly related to dueling? (Investigator) Hockey Monkey - Investigator/Mechanic/Manipulator - can protect, is a Mason, cannot be recruited Note that we have some players with a single role (i.e. Investigator), some with a dual role (i.e. Mechanic/Investigator), and one person with a triple role. In most cases, I've been able to match the role with the ability, as I've shown. But I'm having trouble with Hockey Monkey's role description. I can see where her protective ability could be the 'Manipulator' role, but where do the 'Mechanic' and 'Investigator' play into things? The lust-slaking (lol Slaking) has nothing to do with recruitment. I can say that with 100% certainty. I've got to echo texcat's thoughts here. This statement begs for some more explanation. Suburban Plankton I did misunderstand my PM, it's complicated, isn't yours? So now that I know how it works I hope to be able to investigate someone. I was being cagey because I didn't want the Devils to know how it worked but that's all out in the open now. My PM is not terribly difficult to understand, no. Of course, YMMV. As far as it being "all out in the open", the only person to blame for that is you. I don't recall anyone forcing you to claim back on Day 2, or to reveal how your power worked Today (a simple "I didn't get a result" most likely would have sufficed). The only reason anything is out in the open is because you put it there to begin with. So, someone unknown to you offered to use some unknown ability of theirs on you. Accepting this offer caused you to sin. And you are 100% certain that there's no 'downside' to this transaction? What downside could it mean Suburban? The PM said to accept the offer of protection and you get a sin? I don't know what the downside could be. All I know is that if I got a PM saying that someone wanted to "slake their lust" with me, and that accepting their offer would be a sin, I might think twice about whether or not there might be some unforeseen consequences of that action. Maybe I'm being over-cautious, but it seems logical to me. I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. Is that last sentnce telling us that mistervisceral is one of the "lust slakers"? Thanks. You've been a big help. You did say The lust-slaking (lol Slaking) has nothing to do with recruitment. I can say that with 100% certainty. ,didn't you? (I thought so.) Unless you (or one of the other Masons) is the one doing the slaking, I don't know how you could possibly know that. Especially if, as dizzymrslizzy has told us, we have more than one slaker. How can you be so certain? And if you are that certain, how about throwing the rest of us a bone? The reason I haven't asked about this is because "Lust slaking" sounds awfully like the action of a Cardinal Sin to me. "Lust" being one of the cardinal sins. If MisterVisceral, a confirmed Christian according to HockeyMonkey, is actually in posession of information regarding this, the absolute last thing he should do is say what it is. If mistervisceral's Cardinal Sin is Lust, then you're absolutely correct; he shouldn't say anything about it. The problem is: he's already opened his mouth. Nobody asked him; nobody pressured him; he voluntarily and without prompting gave us the information. If his Cardinal Sin is Lust, then he sealed his own fate right there. It doesn't take a genius to make that connection. And if his Cardinal Sin isn't Lust, then I don't see what the harm would be in him telling us what he knows. Then there's this from dizzymrslizzy: And there's more than 1 person who can Slake lust, because they Slaked me and I got a second PM asking them to Slake lust with me today as well. I KNOW Mr. V didn't send it because he can't protect Hockey or me. I asked her what she meant by this, but she hasn't answered. She says that she knows there are two lust slakers because she got an offer, and she knows MrV couldn't have sent it because the offer includes protection, and MrV can't protect her. To me, the only way to interpret these statements implies that MrV is one of the lust slakers. Otherwise, why did she mention his name here at all? Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting something. If so, it would be nice if dizzy would tell me so. But it seems that getting a straight answer out of people in this game is far easier said than done. I didn't tell you anything about my Cardinal Sin. I told you what I was able to do when I decided to sin. There is a difference. How about mistervisceral then? He told us flat out that "lust slaking" had absolutely nothing to do with recruiting. Then dizzy basically told us that mrv was the person sending at least some of those PMs. And neither of them has responded to my questions on the subject. Now I suppose that "lust slaking" might have nothing at all to do with Lust (with a Capital L for Cardinal Sin), but it certainly seems that way, doesn't it? Surely I'm not the only person who sees it that way...(surely I'm not, because wombat has been asking the same questions...so surely we're not the only two?) Also, I think I'm not the only one who's a bit uneasy with the fact that two of our three Masons have decided it's time to go all Spanish Inquisition on everyone (bet you didn't expect that, did you?) and just lynch anyone who's not Christian, and ceasing any apparent effort at trying to find any Devils among us. Where's mistervisceral gotten to, anyway? We don't seem to have heard from him since Day 4 sometime. And I'll ask one more time for a plausible explanation for this comment, specifically the last sentence. That isn't off at all. Here's how our discussion went: "Whoops, MV, you got yourself into shit. To keep town from lynching a town, we'll make sure you get covered." Same for DML Actually, no, you're right. We, the three remaining scum, all claimed together so that when one of us is lynched, the entire team will use. Yeah, that's the one. The lust-slaking (lol Slaking) has nothing to do with recruitment. I can say that with 100% certainty. How does mistervisceral know this, given that it doesn't appear in the "Mason PM"? And if it's part of the redacted portion of the PM dealing with Cardinal Sins, how does that not fly in the face of "Never reveal to another player nor allow another player to figure out your Cardinal Sin"? I've asked this at least twice before...any chance that the third time's the charm? Did you just skim past all of those? I'm mostly concerend with how mistervisceral, and to a lesser extent dizzymrslizzy, are so certain about the meaning of the "lust slaking" PMs and whether or not mrv is one of the people sending those PMs (which dizzy all but comes out and admits). The follow up to that is the fact that it really seems from all of the above like 'Lust' is mrv's Cardinal Sin, and having broadcast that to the world I'm a bit concerned that he may have been recruited/corrupted/whatever by the Devils...and his total silence over the past Day or so isn't helping assuage my fears.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 28, 2013 12:50:02 GMT -5
Plankton, have you charged or nullified anybody's votes apart from my own? No. I did not use that ability before last Night. And you know what...I'm getting really tired of the stonewalling by our Masons, so vote dizzymrslizzy vote Hockey Monkey! vote mistervisceral
At least until one of them deigns to give some sort of response to my questions. What questions are that? I'm pretty sure I've answered everything you've directed towards me.
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