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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 26, 2013 7:24:48 GMT -5
DAY TWO The situation is puzzling. We collide with one another from a thousand angles. The arguments so far are tentative and reasoned, but already the cracks are showing and even I can't predict where the pieces will land when we all break apart. Not for the first time, I wonder about the degree of mental illness prerequisite to putting on a rubber suit and venturing into the streets at night to punch criminals in the face. On the other hand, when I consider the ways some of the others spend their days and nights, being a superhero doesn't seem to rate much more than a 5 on the insanity scale. But I digress. The present puzzle seems nearly insoluble. Yesterday, Jon "took his leave,", which at least levels the field, but identifying the more dangerous elements present when they're not omnipotent and radioactive will be considerably more difficult. The stakes are now raised, as the conflict has claimed a life for the first time. They found Dan Dreiberg in his living room. There were no signs of forced entry or even of violence, except of course for the fact of his death. With no time for an autopsy (and the city coroner not taking pains to identify himself if he's hanging around), it looks like that's about as much as they'll know, at least for now. We thought there'd been a second death, as one among us went missing early on, but it turns out he was locked into a jail cell near the park. He'll communicate with us by messenger until he can be extracted. But enough writing. It's morning, and they'll be expecting me in the park. Here we go. ----- gnarlycharly, who was Dan Dreiberg / Nite Owl II (Third Party; Investigative), has been Night killed.In addition, MEEKO has been jailed. Although he is permitted to participate in discussion and vote, he cannot be lynched (or subject to any action) during Day Two, nor can he be the subject of any Night action on Night Two (including Night kills). At Dawn of Day Three his imprisonment will end. Day Two begins now, and will end on Friday, August 30 at 2:00PM Eastern (extending the Day a bit to account for its delayed start). Happy lynchifying!
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 26, 2013 7:34:15 GMT -5
wow! NKd on N1. first time ever.
pity. such an interesting game.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 26, 2013 9:10:10 GMT -5
DAY TWO In addition, MEEKO has been jailed. Although he is permitted to participate in discussion and vote, he cannot be lynched (or subject to any action) during Day Two, nor can he be the subject of any Night action on Night Two (including Night kills). At Dawn of Day Three his imprisonment will end. Funny, I don't remember rolling doubles..... Does anyone have 50 bucks? I'll settle for a harmonica ... Or a whore named Monica......
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 26, 2013 10:37:38 GMT -5
DAY TWO In addition, MEEKO has been jailed. Although he is permitted to participate in discussion and vote, he cannot be lynched (or subject to any action) during Day Two, nor can he be the subject of any Night action on Night Two (including Night kills). At Dawn of Day Three his imprisonment will end. Funny, I don't remember rolling doubles..... Does anyone have 50 bucks? I'll settle for a harmonica ... Or a whore named Monica...... Ok, Bill Clinton.. That is a strong power for someone to bestow onto someone else. Doesn't sound like a scum power, to be honest. Maybe third party win stealer? And no, I don't have 50 bucks.... Though, you may wanna stay in jail with those perks....
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 26, 2013 10:58:36 GMT -5
The only thing I see Gnarly really doing yesterday is voting for cookies - a review of their posts is probably in order, as it may or may not be nothing.
In other news I'm still kind of leery of KidV, as as far as I can tell their major contributions were lurking after getting an early wagon on them, getting huffy for getting votes, and then tossing a vote on colby just before the deciding votes on Mahaloth came in.
Also people who are scratching their heads over no attempts to derail the mahaloth wagon are disregarding that the deciding votes came in literally hours before deadline. They might not have had enough time or they might have committed their votes elsewhere and thus trying to switch them to save mahaloth would have raised red flags.
Vote: KidV For pretty much excising themselves from discussion yesterday after they started getting a wagon and then whining when they got called out for it. Their vote on Colby felt pretty opportunistic as did most of their posts.
Bill is next because he is either skimming and failed to notice I tried voting KidV yesterday and then ignoring the fact I adressed some things at him or he's just flat out scum who's hoping people don't call him on it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 26, 2013 11:31:12 GMT -5
Some thoughts:
I'm back from my business trip. Some of you may have missed that OOG statement I made back at the beginning of the game. Or some of you might feel inclined to exploit a little lighter participation from me for a few days.
Scatach has made a few statetements to that affect that rubbed me the wrong way. Stating on a couple of occasions that I was 'avoiding' things on Day 1. Absence != avoidance. It is one possibility, and in this case the wrong possibility, and it is not a foregone conclusion. In my neck of the woods, we call that a smear. Taking something that is actually ambiguous and spinning it in the worst way possible. Abstain also slapped a rather smeary statement on my vote for swammer, calling it lazy in the same breath as expressing his happiness with the idea of voting for me. Still not sure what about my vote against swammer makes it lazy, or how lazy correlates to scummy in his mind. I'm all ears on that.
I'd also echo Colby's request for clarification on why, exactly, abstain finds him 'scummy as all hell'.
And lastly, the way the Day 1 voting went down, I am very leery of dolling out much cred. It really could have gone in any direction multiple times.
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 26, 2013 11:45:52 GMT -5
Beside I won't be voting for texcat again this game as she is town. I think you forgot to finish this paragraph. Bump for Patricia. I still want to know what you meant by this, please. Paranoia, "most" is a lot. Will you please lay out in detail exactly which of my posts you found opportunistic? And why? Because I don't think you can. I think you just made a gross mischaracterization of my play yesterday, and that's the sort of thing Scum do when they're trying to make a vote look legit. Kinda like they place a "random" vote early Day One, and then fake some kind of reason not to move it later, something you also appear to be guilty of. I left it alone yesterday because I try to avoid OMGUS, but if you're going to keep at it, then I'm going to require you to justify yourself.
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Post by patricia on Aug 26, 2013 11:46:31 GMT -5
I find the whole Meeko is in jail thing interesting - is that some kind of protection? Reminds me of when I was a kid and playing Monopoly - sometimes it was better to stay in jail than travel around the board to see where you would land.
I also want to reread Charlie to see if anything he posted would make him a good target Night One. I did notice he was third party but the role seems in line with town and not that of a win stealer.
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 26, 2013 12:05:28 GMT -5
It's idle speculation, but what does a third party role need an investigative power for? We know that the possibility of voluntary wincon changes exists, I wonder if Gnarly was looking for somebody.
I wonder if that somebody might be Colby.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 26, 2013 12:06:32 GMT -5
In addition, MEEKO has been jailed. Although he is permitted to participate in discussion and vote, he cannot be lynched (or subject to any action) during Day Two, nor can he be the subject of any Night action on Night Two (including Night kills). At Dawn of Day Three his imprisonment will end. That's Jail??? Far from me to say the penal system is going soft, but that sounds more like a full one cycle uber-protection - unlynchable and unkillable for a full cycle - and he get's to vote - sounds like some eurocrat ploy (<oog>in the uk, like many other places, when you are in jail you lose the right to vote. The EU are trying to force the UK to give prisoners the right to vote while in jail...bleh</oog>) The better question is - why Meeko? Why did someone consider him important enough to afford him this sort of protection? Of course, the scum sending one of their own to jail for protection Bill is next because he is either skimming and failed to notice I tried voting KidV yesterday and then ignoring the fact I adressed some things at him or he's just flat out scum who's hoping people don't call him on it. Actually no, I was well aware of your "attempt" to vote (it's not difficult ya know) - you know very well you need to unvote - or was your original vote so opportunistic that you didn't even recall you had voted? Bottom line is the day ended with your joke/random vote where it was originally cast.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 26, 2013 12:19:39 GMT -5
It's idle speculation, but what does a third party role need an investigative power for? We know that the possibility of voluntary wincon changes exists, I wonder if Gnarly was looking for somebody. I wonder if that somebody might be Colby. Colby's "please communicate" post definitely felt like Colby was looking for someone. "possibility of voluntary wincon changes exists" - ie recruitment. I would take the existence of a 3rd party cop as a very strong indicator that there is recruitment....tho voluntary recruitment is often "accept the new wincon or die". I can also see it a way to increase the value and survivability of a 3rd party "hey I'm a 3rd party survivor" vs "hey I'm a 3rd party cop and know who several of the scum are" Which kinda loops back into your debate yesterday with several others and the lynching of 3rds
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Post by BillMc on Aug 26, 2013 12:23:33 GMT -5
Beside I won't be voting for texcat again this game as she is town. I think you forgot to finish this paragraph. Bump for Patricia. I still want to know what you meant by this, please. Seconded. How would you know this Patricia?
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 26, 2013 12:58:37 GMT -5
No one has mentioned this yet but what if Meeko put himself in jail? Just a possibility.
I have a Town read on Texcat too after yesterDay, she really made a good case against against Mahaloth and if she was scum why would she have done that? It doesn't seem like a very good scum move to me.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 26, 2013 12:58:53 GMT -5
Bump for Patricia. I still want to know what you meant by this, please. Seconded. How would you know this Patricia? What's good for the goose is good for the BillMc So it looks likely the scum team were not around to try and save mahaloth. Abstain, Fruit&Garbage, Paranoia and Meeko effectively took no part in the day beyond a joke vote (marked with *). No vote from Peeker. #50 Meeko random votes Cookies I take issue with this too. If the scum team were around to save Mahaloth, what would that have looked like? Please define "joke" vote. Please define random. Please define random vote in the context of day one. When cookies asked me to vote her, how then is it random? Or where you skimming? Indeed, how can someone without pis not random vote on day one? ..... What makes your vote not random? What motivation do you have here? What perfect information do you have here, to falsely label my vote as joke/random?
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Post by patricia on Aug 26, 2013 13:02:27 GMT -5
Bump for Patricia. I still want to know what you meant by this, please. Seconded. How would you know this Patricia? Simple - I don't see scum starting a case on another scum.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 26, 2013 13:11:11 GMT -5
Seconded. How would you know this Patricia? Simple - I don't see scum starting a case on another scum. Scum would totally do that. Bill, I, too, would like an answer to Meeko's question, and also an explanation for why you mischaracterized my post as questioning abstain when it was not.
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 26, 2013 13:14:40 GMT -5
Seconded. How would you know this Patricia? Simple - I don't see scum starting a case on another scum. Ok, thanks. Your post made it sound like you were stating a certainty. Not that I'm asserting that Texcat is scum right now, but I agree with Sis - scum would totally do that. A scummy Texcat may have thought she was placing a nice safe distancing vote.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 26, 2013 13:17:54 GMT -5
Seconded. How would you know this Patricia? Simple - I don't see scum starting a case on another scum. Scum would totally do that. Bill, I, too, would like an answer to Meeko's question, and also an explanation for why you mischaracterized my post as questioning abstain when it was not.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 26, 2013 13:18:21 GMT -5
WTH?
/facepalm.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 26, 2013 13:56:44 GMT -5
I take issue with this too. If the scum team were around to save Mahaloth, what would that have looked like? How do you know they were or were not around? Did the scum just sit there and watch Mahaloth get lynched with no one casting any vote in defence of him? Please define "joke" vote. Please define random. Please define random vote in the context of day one. When cookies asked me to vote her, how then is it random? So you consider you vote a well thought out defensible vote? That 40 posts after she posted don't vote for me - you thought it was worthy of a vote? That you thought your vote was good enough not to get involved in the actual lynch Just good old sarcasm. I don't really want Meeko to vote for me either, in case that wasn't clear. Really? so Meeko, should we just dispense with Day 1 entirely, and everyone should just roll a random number and use that for a vote? I find it very interesting that you are getting so worked up about being challenged on the reasoning (or lack of) of your vote.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 26, 2013 13:57:50 GMT -5
Bill, I, too, would like an answer to Meeko's question, and also an explanation for why you mischaracterized my post as questioning abstain when it was not. To me, your comment read as you were asking whether this was a grudge vote.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 26, 2013 14:07:23 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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Post by texcat on Aug 26, 2013 14:12:28 GMT -5
I'd also be happy with a vote on Cookies, seemed to me to put a lazy vote on sept, Colby I'm also happy to vote, scummy as all get out. Texcat is always pretty scummy so not much can be done there, give her a day before I make a proper decision. Though I'm leaning town because I like what she has done so far (even with her scummitude). Finally, patricia seems lost, so I'm marking her down as possible townie unless thats how she plays. There are other I'm not commenting on, but going into tomorrow, the people I want to put pressure on are as follows: Bill, Dizzy, Colby and F/G for a post he//she made in the thread above, Abstain, could you explain this please? Have you played with me before? What do you mean by always? So far in this game, I have voted for peeker, made a case and voted for scum Mahaloth. While I agree that scum could have done that, I disagree with any characterizations of those actions as scummy.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 26, 2013 14:19:22 GMT -5
I don't know if you're just a confrontational dude, Bill, or if the way you're posting is scum-jitters, but either way your refusal to communicate effectively is raisin' some flags for me. You either fail to answer questions directed at you or only respond to them with sarcasm or questions of your own that basically amount to "No u". It's not very helpful! For the moment, I'm going to go ahead and be proactive. I'll Vote: BillMc.
I'll also add that I think excessive speculation about the setup is generally something scum do when they'd prefer the discussion focus on things that WON'T catch them out, so... Somethin' to remember.
I'd also like to hear more from abstain regarding his various suspicions, but others have already brought that up, and what's on Sister Coyote's mind in general. And peeker, like, at all. There are a few people who haven't contributed much yet, and I'll probably prod them through the day, but those are the ones that stand out in my mind.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 26, 2013 14:23:02 GMT -5
At the moment, not much is on my mind. I've got a couple of suspicions but I'm not ready to vote either of them yet. I need to re-read the end of yesterDay and also last Night.
Bill is one of my suspicions; he doesn't "feel" like he usually does when he's Town. But that's just my gut.
Colby remains one of the others, but he's part of the reason I need to go look back.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 26, 2013 14:40:22 GMT -5
Sorry, slammed at work today and tomorrow.
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 26, 2013 15:42:19 GMT -5
Simple - I don't see scum starting a case on another scum. Ok, thanks. Your post made it sound like you were stating a certainty. Not that I'm asserting that Texcat is scum right now, but I agree with Sis - scum would totally do that. A scummy Texcat may have thought she was placing a nice safe distancing vote. I agree that scum would do that but Texcat actually had a nice case against Mahaloth, if she was scum it might have been safer for her to keep her vote on Peeks rather than making a real case against someone.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 26, 2013 16:54:55 GMT -5
Our jailor definitely looks like someone who can both protect and role block. And as SisterC says, any protective role comes with the possibility of being applied in a self-targeted fashion unless open rules stipulate otherwise.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 26, 2013 18:02:47 GMT -5
I said what now?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 26, 2013 18:20:42 GMT -5
No one has mentioned this yet but what if Meeko put himself in jail? Just a possibility. Sorry, it was SilverJan who suggested it first.
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