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Post by KidV on Aug 28, 2013 3:44:59 GMT -5
In canon, Night Owl the first had retired from Superheroing and was fixing cars until he was beaten to death by some punks. Two Night Owls doesn't make near as much sense then, thanks.
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Post by KidV on Aug 28, 2013 3:56:42 GMT -5
In my opinion, there is Town and there is not-Town, and it really is that simple. Excepting the rare case that I feel I can actually trust a 3rd party claim, I'll assume that anything other than Town is not to be trusted. So he definitely either claims or doesn't. Got it. :D Dear gawd that's a horrible smiley. I don't understand where you're going with this, SD. You disagree, ergo I'm scummy? Is there something about your opinion that informs the rest of us what we should be doing to be good little Townies? Or is this a joke vote? Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... backing away slowly from the crazy man now. Let's have a chat when you're not drunk or whatever you are, hm? That's absolutely true, and I've already said that if we can trust a player claiming third party non-hostile is what they're claiming to be, that we can mostly leave them alone. But the problem comes in getting enough information to actually trust that claim. Scum want Town to trust 3rd party claims, because it makes it easier for them to false claim. No, actually I didn't notice he was posting in haiku, I was too busy being flabbergasted by his bizarre reasons for voting me (ie, we have a different opinion about whether to trust 3rd party claims, and now apparently because he's still mad over stuff that happened in a previous game). KidV has disappeared because I'm fucking flabbergasted at the votes I'm drawing. I'm used to Septimus/Swammerdami being a little unhinged, but I'm amazed that anybody can look at his interaction with me and decide that I'm the one that looks scummy enough to vote for. Anyway, I can't defend against "ooh that seems weird", and every time I try I draw another vote from somebody else, so fuck it. I'm done. If I happen to still be alive Day Two, great, I'm come play then. But screw SD for holding such a retarded grudge, screw the rest of you lazy voters that piled on, and the screw any of the rest of you that haven't called them out for shitty voting (at least one of you made a halfhearted attempt at it, so unscrew you, whoever you are). Swammerdammi's posts seem designed explicitly to obfuscate. I don't buy for a second that he thinks posting in Haiku is some sort of solution to the problem that nobody listens to him, and I wonder if he's really doing that to avoid showing scumtells. It's really no different than LIPS, and I'll definitely be voting for him if he keeps it up. BillMCs infrequent posting is problematic. It's not a scumtell, he travels for work and goes days without posting. But it presents an issue, because he's not here posting so that he can be evaluated. If he were scum, it'd be very hard for us to smell him out, and if I remember right he did get a scum win in a recent game on the Geeb, and nobody had a line on him because he only posted once or twice a Day. So while his lurking may be involuntary, it's still lurking, and it's anti-Town. It would be great if Bill would post more. Where's Peeker? Texcat, I wouldn't call Patricia's vote on you scummy. Are you voting for her because you think she's scum, or are you voting for her because you think her vote is silly? And on that note, Vote: Colby11 , for bandwagoning a bad vote that was placed for bandwagoning a bad vote.so kidv, this was the extent of your contributions yesterday. Whining about getting votes, attacking swammerdami without addressing what they said beyond 'oh no this is a grudge', and putting a vote on colby for 'bandwagoning (i.e. placing the second vote) on Mahaloth. As Texcat put it yesterday: Third, I don't understand your vote. I don't think Colby is bandwagoning a bad vote. I think he is agreeing with a good vote. ::) My current running theory is that you DID try to save Mahaloth in some capacity by attacking one of his voters, but in a way that did precisely nothing to convey why his vote was bad or why Texcat voting mahaloth in the first place was bad. You didn't actually address any of the reasons for the votes on Mahaloth. In light of Maha's flip, your showing yesterday puts you pretty firmly at the top of my list of suspects. That was an artful dodge. It wasn't enough to not answer my question, you didn't even quote it, well done. One might almost think that you didn't want to answer it, and didn't want anybody to notice that you hadn't actually answered it. I'll ask it again. You said most of my posts yesterday were opportunistic. Please point me to which of those posts you quoted above you feel were opportunistic, and why, and show how those posts equal "most". Or you could just cop to making shit up in order to strengthen a bad case. That'd be a little more towny, anyway.
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Post by texcat on Aug 28, 2013 7:56:18 GMT -5
Unvote: peeker Vote: abstain Abstain has not posted at all Today. He posted what I thought were some outrageous suspicions/accusations in the night thread, and I was going to give him a chance to answer questions, but he has not taken the opportunity to do so.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 28, 2013 8:11:14 GMT -5
Well, still haven't heard from peeker at all. Rather than let this drag on and potentially alter the game, I have decided to assign a substitute. sinjin will be joining the game, effective immediately, in peeker's place. Everybody say hello!
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Post by texcat on Aug 28, 2013 8:13:30 GMT -5
Welcome, sinjin!
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Post by Meeko on Aug 28, 2013 9:01:57 GMT -5
Well, still haven't heard from peeker at all. Rather than let this drag on and potentially alter the game, I have decided to assign a substitute. sinjin will be joining the game, effective immediately, in peeker's place. Everybody say hello! Unvote: Peeker / SinjinNot sure if this was done, but I want to make sure.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 28, 2013 9:54:51 GMT -5
so kidv, this was the extent of your contributions yesterday. Whining about getting votes, attacking swammerdami without addressing what they said beyond 'oh no this is a grudge', and putting a vote on colby for 'bandwagoning (i.e. placing the second vote) on Mahaloth. As Texcat put it yesterday: My current running theory is that you DID try to save Mahaloth in some capacity by attacking one of his voters, but in a way that did precisely nothing to convey why his vote was bad or why Texcat voting mahaloth in the first place was bad. You didn't actually address any of the reasons for the votes on Mahaloth. In light of Maha's flip, your showing yesterday puts you pretty firmly at the top of my list of suspects. That was an artful dodge. It wasn't enough to not answer my question, you didn't even quote it, well done. One might almost think that you didn't want to answer it, and didn't want anybody to notice that you hadn't actually answered it. I'll ask it again. You said most of my posts yesterday were opportunistic. Please point me to which of those posts you quoted above you feel were opportunistic, and why, and show how those posts equal "most". Or you could just cop to making shit up in order to strengthen a bad case. That'd be a little more towny, anyway. You know, you never quite got around to telling me why my logic is wrong, much like the shit you were pulling yesterday. You can scream and say a case is bad but at the end of the day this shit does not look good for you. as for opprotunism, where to start? Most of your posts didn't actually broach any sort of game-discussion, instead focusing on either metagame discussion, avoiding actually discussing any suspicion people had of you and why they were wrong, preferring isntead to bow out and let other people catch heat instead, which lasted until Bill pointed out you did it. Your one vote of the day was on colby, for a bad reason and was literally the easiest vote you could make at the moment and appear innocuous. But keep blustering, it makes me want to lynch you even more.
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Post by sinjin on Aug 28, 2013 10:19:44 GMT -5
Hi all, long time no see. FTR, since someone peeped into the Admin, no spoilers thread, I can tell you nothing was discussed in there. I basically was talking to myself in there during day one, then got bored because there was no feedback from anyone else. IF it's ok with storyteller, I'll post my musings here.
Oh great and powerful mod, can I copy my nattering from the Admin thread?
Now I'm off to go back for a reread.
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Post by abstain on Aug 28, 2013 10:24:29 GMT -5
Vote: Vote: BillMC
For the uncorrupted thing and also to see what he flips, because F/G was on him early. He flips mafia, I'm likely wrong on F/G being mafia.
On the jailing of meeko: Sounds like a pretty powerful power (what a mouthful). Likely to be restricted in usage somehow (only one person in jail or something). Unlikely that he jailed himself imo, but we'll see.
Texcat: I played with you in one game on VS and on SD, (Visorslash). I just find you generally scummy, it happens with a few people I play with. In any case, nothing stands out from you above bill and f/g.
Septimus: Don't really care about the haikus, as long as he puts words on the page they can be analysed.
F/G: This board is definitely different then some. Where do you hail from?
Beyond that, from the quick read I've had, small FoS on people voting for peeker.
Sorry, busy week this week.
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Post by abstain on Aug 28, 2013 10:27:34 GMT -5
Unvote: peeker Vote: abstainAbstain has not posted at all Today. He posted what I thought were some outrageous suspicions/accusations in the night thread, and I was going to give him a chance to answer questions, but he has not taken the opportunity to do so. What outrageous opinions? I don't think thinking (I'm sure I can phrase this better) that Bill or F/G are particularly good candidates for scum is outrageous. Has colby posted today anyway? In any case, today is a good chance to attempt to either help clear one person of being scum or help make them scummier,
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 28, 2013 11:09:58 GMT -5
Funny, I don't remember rolling doubles..... Does anyone have 50 bucks? I'll settle for a harmonica ... Or a whore named Monica...... Ok, Bill Clinton.. That is a strong power for someone to bestow onto someone else. Doesn't sound like a scum power, to be honest. Maybe third party win stealer? And no, I don't have 50 bucks.... Though, you may wanna stay in jail with those perks.... To my knowledge, this is Colby's only post in the thread.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 28, 2013 11:13:35 GMT -5
Allright, finally getting a chance to post. Fair point - I pretty much skimmed over the colour and pretty much think in terms of town and scum. Similarly, your analysis of the game setup was in terms of town and scum not watchmen and uncorrupted. The point I was badly trying to make was in relation to recruitment. Corrupting the uncorrupted as recruitment? Beyond seeing the Watchman movie, I know nothing of the genre, so it my be blatantly obvious to someone who is that I'm barking up the wrong tree. Your argument is that town would know their own win condition, that scum would know they are uncorrupted - therefore I must be 3rd/pfk because I supposedly didnt know? Yet, uncorrupted is stated in the sample pm - so it is not knowledge that was secret to town and scum. Yes, I think only in terms of town, scum, third-parties and win stealers. But, I am aware the scum in this game are called "Uncorrupted". For some reason, you were not aware of this. In fact, everyone who has read the town victory condition knows that scum are called "Uncorrupted". So the question is why didn't Bill know that scum are called "Uncorrupted"? The most plausible answer is that Bill is either a third-party or a win-stealer who did not carefully read the sample town PM. Indeed, how can someone without pis not random vote on day one? ..... What makes your vote not random? What motivation do you have here? What perfect information do you have here, to falsely label my vote as joke/random? A player can place a non-random vote on Day One the same way they can on any other Day: by looking at what other players do. Several of us thought that Mahaloth's vote was suspicious. Even if we weren't right, those votes weren't random. Bill is next because he is either skimming and failed to notice I tried voting KidV yesterday and then ignoring the fact I adressed some things at him or he's just flat out scum who's hoping people don't call him on it. Actually no, I was well aware of your "attempt" to vote (it's not difficult ya know) - you know very well you need to unvote - or was your original vote so opportunistic that you didn't even recall you had voted? Bottom line is the day ended with your joke/random vote where it was originally cast. Bill is right about this. If a player fails to vote or change their vote due to technical reasons, it's still a failure to vote. Only legitimate votes count. Seconded. How would you know this Patricia? Simple - I don't see scum starting a case on another scum. Your newbie shorts are showing. Scum would totally, without second thought, start a case on another scum. That's the best way to vote for fellow scum, because most cases don't end with a lynch. It's the votes at critical points that are telling. silverjan's vote to bring Mahaloth out of a four?-way tie is something that scum would very rarely do. Especially since Mahaloth was the godfather. The votes bringing scum to a tie, or putting the scum two votes ahead, are also ones that scum are unlikely to do, but not unlikely enough that we can give a lot of town credit. Bill is one of my suspicions; he doesn't "feel" like he usually does when he's Town. But that's just my gut. We know Bill is not town, because of their slip. But I don't think it's worthwhile to lynch them, unless there's a case for being a win-stealer. On a somewhat serious level: Vote: PEEKEROr do I need to have "reasons" here as well? Yes, you do. Since you didn't post a reason, I'll simply infer one: Meeko is voting for peeker because scum know that peeker is not scum and is non-responsive, so can be safely mislynched while arousing little suspicion. Without any claimed alternatives, I think we can presume that this is the most likely explanation. Oh and Pleo, at this point it's halfway through D2, at what point are you planning on revealing your "full claim" Since I said I'd full claim at the end of Day Two, you can expect I'll claim as close to the end of the Day as is convenient for me. More later...
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 28, 2013 11:37:51 GMT -5
That was an artful dodge. It wasn't enough to not answer my question, you didn't even quote it, well done. One might almost think that you didn't want to answer it, and didn't want anybody to notice that you hadn't actually answered it. I'll ask it again. You said most of my posts yesterday were opportunistic. Please point me to which of those posts you quoted above you feel were opportunistic, and why, and show how those posts equal "most". Or you could just cop to making shit up in order to strengthen a bad case. That'd be a little more towny, anyway. You know, you never quite got around to telling me why my logic is wrong, much like the shit you were pulling yesterday. You can scream and say a case is bad but at the end of the day this shit does not look good for you. as for opprotunism, where to start? Most of your posts didn't actually broach any sort of game-discussion, instead focusing on either metagame discussion, avoiding actually discussing any suspicion people had of you and why they were wrong, preferring isntead to bow out and let other people catch heat instead, which lasted until Bill pointed out you did it. Your one vote of the day was on colby, for a bad reason and was literally the easiest vote you could make at the moment and appear innocuous. But keep blustering, it makes me want to lynch you even more. You keep trying to redirect the conversation. I appreciate that, and I like the hypocritical accusation of bluster too. Only one of us is making shit up about the other, sir. Vote: Paranoia
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 28, 2013 13:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 28, 2013 13:36:25 GMT -5
Bill is next because he is either skimming and failed to notice I tried voting KidV yesterday and then ignoring the fact I adressed some things at him or he's just flat out scum who's hoping people don't call him on it. Actually no, I was well aware of your "attempt" to vote (it's not difficult ya know) - you know very well you need to unvote - or was your original vote so opportunistic that you didn't even recall you had voted? Bottom line is the day ended with your joke/random vote where it was originally cast. You know normally with how I deal with things the unvote is a formality that normally isn't even necessary, so going 'but you should have known', while technically true, is mostly because I didn't actually read the rules (as I figure mafia is mafia and the rules stay more or less the same). So in my mind my vote should have been on kidv at the end of day because he was - and is - the most suspicious in my mind. So basically as I view it you're reading the thread assuming perfect knowledge of how voting and unvoting works in this particular game when uh yeah. I didn't have that and thus didn't actually get around to voting KidV when I would have liked my vote there anyway.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 28, 2013 13:41:44 GMT -5
You know, you never quite got around to telling me why my logic is wrong, much like the shit you were pulling yesterday. You can scream and say a case is bad but at the end of the day this shit does not look good for you. as for opprotunism, where to start? Most of your posts didn't actually broach any sort of game-discussion, instead focusing on either metagame discussion, avoiding actually discussing any suspicion people had of you and why they were wrong, preferring isntead to bow out and let other people catch heat instead, which lasted until Bill pointed out you did it. Your one vote of the day was on colby, for a bad reason and was literally the easiest vote you could make at the moment and appear innocuous. But keep blustering, it makes me want to lynch you even more. You keep trying to redirect the conversation. I appreciate that, and I like the hypocritical accusation of bluster too. Only one of us is making shit up about the other, sir. Vote: Paranoia You can keep accusing me of making stuff up but once again I'm going to point out you haven't actually said anything about my points against you. You pretty clearly excuse yourself from being a valid vote target day one by throwing up your arms, whining, and stomping off pouting like a child when Bill pointed you out for disappearing under pressure, your vote on colby was allegedly for bandwagoning a vote on Mahaloth was made with nebulous reasoning (how can he be accused of bandwagoning a bad vote when he agreed with the reasons in the first place and you know wasn't halfassed about it?), and to top it off you got called out straight away for your lazy, halfassed vote. You can keep pouting, accuse me of bluster, and yadda yadda yadda but at the end of the day the one clearly agitated and trying to dance around the point here is you.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 28, 2013 14:03:44 GMT -5
Vote: Vote: BillMCFor the uncorrupted thing and also to see what he flips, because F/G was on him early. He flips mafia, I'm likely wrong on F/G being mafia. Grumble. I don't like this. Like correct me if I'm wrong But none of us - as in we the town - know who each other are. And FG's posts don't strike me as all that scummy - He's attacking bill for bill's perceived lack of awareness which given how things are going is understandable. At this point though, based on that personal revelation that I really don't think Bill wouldn't know his own faction name I'm going to assume that it's kind of likely it's two town (or at least not scum) having a fight in thread. No opinion on if power is town or mafia - disregarding as fluff. Ooookay? I'm not sure how you were seeing texcat as scummy this game because in my general view of her she tends to be a lot less open and more prone to easy or poorly explained votes. Agreed, actually. which is why I still wonder why people are up in arms about him, but then again getting distracted by the pointless format of his posts is well above par for us so w/e. That said I for the life of me can't think of any reason why scum would draw attention to themselves in such an overt manner considering the format of haikus. It's the sort of thing that would bring extra scrutiny which scum hate, hate, hate with a passion. Maybe I am weird for having this filter, but overall I don't really think Septimus is scum. FG actually hails from the people I normally play with, which is why having to unvote throws me for a loop - I usually thought they were there for lylo scenarios which aren't as pronounced over here since we have plurality end o' day type voting. Eh. Texcat seems pretty town, but Meeko yeah... doesn't. Not with you know. Putting a vote on the easiest player he could while in the middle of his spat with Bill. I feel like there are better reasons to be voting for people today beyond simply not being here because with no information on the slot it's just as likely to be town as it is to be scum, making it just null and no real value is had by placing a vote there. We'll see what Sinjin has to say.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 28, 2013 14:34:40 GMT -5
Aside from a formatted vote, what observations/analysis has Swammer/Septimus provided so far? He's totally MIA today so far, and there's not much to look at from Day 1 either.
I will say however that the word wall on Kid V is pretty compelling at this point. Categorizing votes on a Scummy Mahaloth as bandwagon votes certainly catches my eye.
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 28, 2013 15:37:51 GMT -5
I quite like the votes on KidV too, he hasn't said much about the game per say but he has a lot to say about people voting for him. That WoW brought that into focus somewhat. Another thing that makes me wonder about his being scum is voting for Colby for a bandwagon on vote Mahaloth, which was only a second vote and absolutely the right thing to do as it turned out.
I don't like the vote on BillMc, surely if he was scum he would have known he was the uncorrupted but he would have known that if he was Town too so I think he's either 3rd Party or a SK.
Vote: Vote KidV
Swammerseptimus talking in Haiku is very annoying, to me at any rate! I just wonder if it could be WIFOM though, you know, scum would never draw attention to themselves like that....until they do.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 28, 2013 16:12:42 GMT -5
I'm slowly being swayed to the KidV is Scum side of the fence, I have to admit.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 28, 2013 16:23:54 GMT -5
Maybe I'm missing something, or just need to Occam's Razor it up in here, but why are we certain bill's "slip" was genuine? I mean, in a game with flavor like this and nonstandard faction names, I can totally see someone pretending to misunderstand the flavor as a way to clear themselves of being in that faction. Heck, I can see myself doing it in his position. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here or anything, I'm just not sure if I'm brain-farting some little thing that made it obvious he really meant it.
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Post by scáthach on Aug 28, 2013 16:37:52 GMT -5
Sorry folks, family funeral, and we do funerals big over here. Wake was yesterday, removal today and funeral mass will be tomorrow. I'm following along on my phone up to a point, I'll catch up and vote on Friday.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 28, 2013 17:12:03 GMT -5
That's why it is a null tell for me.
It would be a slip only if you assume that he was consciously aware of the Mod's color AND was not purposefully trying to look like he didn't consciously know. That is not an assumption I'm willing to use as the sole justification for a vote. In my current fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants file on Bill there is a data point that he either made a slip, is trying a reverse psychology gambit, or was just really not aware of the color and PM contents that he was either sent privately or was published to all by the Mod.
Unvote: Swammer Vote: Kid V
Me thinks he doth protest too much and the bandwagon comment regarding Mahaloth just sticks out to me.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 28, 2013 19:03:18 GMT -5
Hmmm...
I have a lot of feelings...
Patricia- You've played as Scum, I don't remember quite well that game, but I'm sure there's some kind of bussing your teammate in most games I've played so far. Your comment seems a little too N00b, and considering we're from the same "graduating class" of Mafia, I'm not buying it.
Swammer- Has been really MIA today and that pings me a great deal. The Haikus really aren't helping much either, because he's not saying anything.
Colby- Feeling uncomfortable with him as well. I came close yesterDay to voting him at end of day. I need to go back and re-read D1 to confirm my feelings, and be able to vocalize them better here.
KidV- I was uncomforatble with the wagon on him yesterday, and I'm uncomfortable with it again today. It just seemed to form too fast and easy for my opinion on both days. Yeah his bandwagon comment is a bit off, and Jan is now voting for him, and I get a Town feel from Jan, so I'll need to think about this one as well.
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Post by texcat on Aug 28, 2013 20:03:27 GMT -5
What outrageous opinions? I don't think thinking (I'm sure I can phrase this better) that Bill or F/G are particularly good candidates for scum is outrageous. Has colby posted today anyway? In any case, today is a good chance to attempt to either help clear one person of being scum or help make them scummier, I am always wary of proclamations about A's alignment based on B's alignment. You think that Fruit and BillMc can't be on the same team, but I'm not so convinced of that. Scum will do that. And in any case, with so many different teams, I'm not sure that means much anyway. Pleo is convinced that BillMc is neither scum nor town, so that would prove what about Fruit? Nothing. I'd also be happy with a vote on Cookies, seemed to me to put a lazy vote on sept, Colby I'm also happy to vote, scummy as all get out. Texcat is always pretty scummy so not much can be done there, give her a day before I make a proper decision. Though I'm leaning town because I like what she has done so far (even with her scummitude). Finally, patricia seems lost, so I'm marking her down as possible townie unless thats how she plays. There are other I'm not commenting on, but going into tomorrow, the people I want to put pressure on are as follows: Bill, Dizzy, Colby and F/G for a post he//she made in the thread above, This is the post I was referring to. Colby asked in the night thread about the "scummy as all get out" and I found the "always" to be outrageous from someone I thought I had never played with. I find it odd that you are voting BillMc over "scummy as all get out" Colby. (Of course, I happen to think that Colby is non-scum. Colby, Cookies, and I were all tied for lynch yesterday. If one of us was scum, the scum could easily find a way to break the tie in favor of town. But we saw no attempt to break the tie.)
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 28, 2013 20:10:20 GMT -5
Exactly Tex, I kind of think we had a whole cluster of a bunch of town on the line yesterday, and scum was just sitting there laughing at us, until Silver Jan and I pushed it towards Mahaloth. Otherwise why wasn't the tie broken earlier in the day.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 28, 2013 20:18:47 GMT -5
Maybe I'm missing something, or just need to Occam's Razor it up in here, but why are we certain bill's "slip" was genuine? I mean, in a game with flavor like this and nonstandard faction names, I can totally see someone pretending to misunderstand the flavor as a way to clear themselves of being in that faction. Heck, I can see myself doing it in his position. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here or anything, I'm just not sure if I'm brain-farting some little thing that made it obvious he really meant it. I knew I liked this guy, he cites Occam's Razor. But straight up, Mafia (the game, in general, and at large) and Occam don't really work that well. I've tried to force it to in many, many games.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 28, 2013 20:22:30 GMT -5
I find it interesting that TWO people are making cases against my vote on Peeker, whom I unvoted before they made the cases.
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 29, 2013 0:09:21 GMT -5
Let's just call a spade a spade. Abstain claims that I'm scummy as all get out...
Smudges several people, then votes the easy vote on Bill with his "slip". I don't think Bill makes slips that rookie in nature, but he could have.
But I am getting an uneasy feeling from Abstain. That, and he wants to label me scummy as all get out, then doesn't bother to say why, other than me being uncommitted....
I don't buy it, abstain. I think you are scum number 2.
Vote: Abstain
I see the case on KidV, but I have bigger fish to fry at the moment.
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Post by abstain on Aug 29, 2013 5:16:39 GMT -5
Let's just call a spade a spade. Abstain claims that I'm scummy as all get out... Smudges several people, then votes the easy vote on Bill with his "slip". I don't think Bill makes slips that rookie in nature, but he could have. But I am getting an uneasy feeling from Abstain. That, and he wants to label me scummy as all get out, then doesn't bother to say why, other than me being uncommitted.... I don't buy it, abstain. I think you are scum number 2. Vote: AbstainI see the case on KidV, but I have bigger fish to fry at the moment. If you want to pick and choose don't try to justify a vote on it. I said I was voting Bill not just for the slip but also because of F/g who is another suspect of mine. F/G voted Bill early in the phase so I want to follow that up, possibly distancing for an unlikely lynch is amongst the scenarios possible, in any case, the result helps paint a bigger picture. This for example is something strange. Attempting to justify a Day 1 vote no less, then putting out septimus as a candidate because of the haikus. This by F/g is a good example too. In any case, what you've simply doesn't sound towniesh to me.
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