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Post by thelastdays on Oct 16, 2013 12:47:40 GMT -5
Well if you want to lynch me for the game design, go ahead, there's not much I can do about it.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 16, 2013 13:04:05 GMT -5
Well if you want to lynch me for the game design, go ahead, there's not much I can do about it. Yeah, I know. If you're being completely truthful, then I'll be bitching at the game designer as soon as I become spoiled. But as a current player, I find your claim as it stands to be implausible. Feel free to be more truthful; I find your accuser patricia to be very suspicious. And patricia, to me you're looking a lot like scum trying to gain town cred by offering us something. Your insistence that Idle's killer must be scum is telling. As is your lack of detail about how you acquired your information. These two are highest on my needs-lynched list.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 16, 2013 13:31:09 GMT -5
I didn't see Fruit's statement as being a 'magic bag', but rather just a refusal to give a reason for his vote. The former implies that he has knowledge he doesn't want to share, while the latter only implies obstinance. His comment about reading between the lines seems to imply the former. Alright, time to claim I guess, because it makes little difference now: You are A Bucket of Water. You are simply a bucket filled with liquid H2O. However, if a certain witch tries to steal Dorothy's shoes, who knows what could happen? You are a Third-party Killer. You may attempt to kill a player at night but it will fail unless your target is The Wicked Witch of the West in which case your kill will succeed. You only have ONE attempt to kill though. You may NOT be redirected. Your power may NOT be nullified. You will win if The Wicked Witch of the West is eliminated and you survie until the end of the game. A bucket of water? 10/10 for an original role. I can certainly see SisC coming up with this role, but I can't see her giving you that wincon - I agree with Pleo on that point. vote thelastdays
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 16, 2013 13:52:32 GMT -5
Pleo, are you saying that Patricia could be a scum Tracker? She did give a correct result that TLD killed Idle.
It does sound like a very strange wincon for TLD to have. If TLD is telling the truth then he knew Idle was telling the truth about his name and even though TLD could have killed him at Night, as he did, why did he want to lynch him? Why would Idle try and steal Dorothy's shoes? I thought he just went around kissing people. Something smells off in the land of Oz.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 16, 2013 14:00:25 GMT -5
I would like to know how you manage to survie, I've never heard of that. A SisC typo or TLD making an oops as he fakes his PM?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 16, 2013 14:11:57 GMT -5
I would like to know how you manage to survie, I've never heard of that. A SisC typo or TLD making an oops as he fakes his PM? Good catch, Jan. My vote stands.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 16, 2013 14:37:28 GMT -5
Pleo, are you saying that Patricia could be a scum Tracker? She did give a correct result that TLD killed Idle. Scum something or another. patricia hasn't claimed any particular power. I see two cases for patricia. 1. Town or third-party. In this case, scum already know patricia is tracker/watcher/etc not on their side and is therefore a great threat and prime target. A full claim would not give scum any more reason to target patricia, but would give town confidence in the results and avoid a mislynch. 2. Scum or win-stealer. In this case, patricia gains town credit by giving us a good lynch. But giving any other information risks being caught in lie. Based on available information, case 2 seems much more likely. I would like to know how you manage to survie, I've never heard of that. A SisC typo or TLD making an oops as he fakes his PM? Lynching based on a typo is foolish.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 16, 2013 14:42:35 GMT -5
Lynching on a typo might be foolish but I had voted for him before that.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2013 14:52:42 GMT -5
Pleo, are you saying that Patricia could be a scum Tracker? She did give a correct result that TLD killed Idle. It does sound like a very strange wincon for TLD to have. If TLD is telling the truth then he knew Idle was telling the truth about his name and even though TLD could have killed him at Night, as he did, why did he want to lynch him? Why would Idle try and steal Dorothy's shoes? I thought he just went around kissing people. Something smells off in the land of Oz. If thelastdays is being truthful, he meets his win-condition if he survives and "The Wicked Witch of the West is eliminated"; there's nothing saying that he would need to kill Idle himself. If Idle got lynched on Day 1, then thelastdays would not need to take any Night actions, and so would have an easier time avoiding suspicion, since he couldn't be caught out doing something at Night. So it makes sense that he would try to get Idle lynched. But I have a hard time believing that thelastdays is telling the truth. I don't have a problem with the fact that he needs to both survive and eliminate the Wicked Witch; I don't think that's necessarily too difficult of a role. The part that I have trouble with is the "You only have ONE attempt to kill" bit. Having a one-shot power that works only on a single specific player, Without having some sort of Investigative powers in order to locate that player, is what sounds unbelievable to me. That, combined with the "survie" typo strongly suggests that the PM has been modified. Vote: thelastdaysAs far as patricia goes, I find it interesting that most everybody who has chimed in seems to think she's soft-claimed Tracker. that would imply that she targeted thelastdays, and Tracked him as he killed Idle. I think it's far more likely that patricia is a Watcher, and that she targeted Idle and Watched thelastdays kill him. Idle was a prime candidate for a Watcher last Night, while I see no particular reason for a Tracker to have targeted thelastdays in particular. Of course, patricia could come back and clear this all up...
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 16, 2013 14:59:42 GMT -5
Alright, time to claim I guess, because it makes little difference now: You are A Bucket of Water. You are simply a bucket filled with liquid H2O. However, if a certain witch tries to steal Dorothy's shoes, who knows what could happen? You are a Third-party Killer. You may attempt to kill a player at night but it will fail unless your target is The Wicked Witch of the West in which case your kill will succeed. You only have ONE attempt to kill though. You may NOT be redirected. Your power may NOT be nullified. You will win if The Wicked Witch of the West is eliminated and you survie until the end of the game. A Bucket of Water? I love it I definitely believe parts of your claimed role as it's too crazy to make it up entirely. However your wincon seems a little too specific. That said, the colour totally fits. My vote stands since there's a chance you're lying and we hit something more malicious, but it's no loss to Town if you're telling the truth (aside from losing the opportunity to hit Scum - which has just as great an opportunity to hit Town so nullifies itself). I just want to say that if you did make this up entirely it's awesome! Patricia, how convenient to hand us someone who is irrelevant to Town's success but preserves Scum. Vote: Patricia
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 16, 2013 15:04:55 GMT -5
Oh, and does anyone want to claim what they did to Fruit? Hmmm? Pretty please?
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 16, 2013 15:47:46 GMT -5
A Bucket of Water? I love it I definitely believe parts of your claimed role as it's too crazy to make it up entirely. However your wincon seems a little too specific. That said, the colour totally fits. My vote stands since there's a chance you're lying and we hit something more malicious, but it's no loss to Town if you're telling the truth (aside from losing the opportunity to hit Scum - which has just as great an opportunity to hit Town so nullifies itself). Unfortunately for us, lynching third parties is still a mislynch, in that it advances the scum victory condition while not advancing ours. My best guess is that Last is a win-stealer with multiple one-shot powers who wins once everyone on their list is eliminated. The survivor claim is an edit.
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Post by patricia on Oct 16, 2013 17:29:06 GMT -5
Sorry for not getting back sooner RL has kept me busy - Anyway, I felt I was very clear with my posts but I guess you still have questions so in a nut shell - I'm the town tracker - I had decide to track Bill as he was the only one I voted for that came back and started posting last night but something in TLD post last night pinged me and I decide last minute to change and track TLD. So the bottom line is I'm a town tracker and last night I tracked The Last Days and he killed Idle.
As scum has every reason to want me dead tonight (I'm sure you can find them in my voters today) I'm going to post my PM as well as I have nothing to hide and without a doc protecting me I'm a short timer in this game anyway.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2013 18:38:41 GMT -5
thelastdays (9,9): FruitAndGarbage [12]; patricia [22]; dizzymrslizzy [31]; silverjan [39]; Colby11 [44]; Chameleon [45]; Pleonast [58]; BillMc [62]; Suburban Plankton [68]
FruitAndGarbage (4,4): Pleonast [8]; thelastdays [20]; Suburban Plankton [21]; silverjan [24] patricia (4,4): Pleonast [8]; Suburban Plankton [21]; Meeko [41]; Chameleon [69]
Colby11 (1,1): Suburban Plankton [21] Suburban Plankton (1,1): FruitAndGarbage [35] DizzyMrsLizzy (1,1): Meeko [41] Pleonast (1,1): Meeko [41] Colby11 (1,1): Meeko [41] Meeko (1,1): Pleonast [56]
With these votes, TLD will be lynched.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2013 19:36:07 GMT -5
patricia,
What was it specifically that thelastdays said last Night that made you change your mind?
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 16, 2013 19:37:01 GMT -5
Wow, if that is true, you got screwed big time, lastdays. It's too lame to believe, though.
Vote lastdays
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 16, 2013 19:37:44 GMT -5
patricia, What was it specifically that thelastdays said last Night that made you change your mind? I will second the question.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 17, 2013 1:13:43 GMT -5
Is this a "good case"? The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead It took me a while to parse this. What I think you mean is, " The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead". Please bold player names for clarity. That's not a good case. I'll need more details before this becomes actionable information. Come on, dudes, you're better than this. There are lots of reasons for placing a vote without explaining why, especially if it's the first vote on someone rather than a mystery bandwagon. Pointing them all out kind of defeats the purpose, though. Read between the lines a little. We are better--that's why we're not depending on reading between the lines and why we're questioning you. If you want us to know something, tell us. If you want us to do something, tell us again. Being subtle or vague has it's place, but you don't then get to complain we're not picking it up. If you are going halfway, and demanding that everyone else go the entire way, you will inevitably lie to us, and then take advantage. If you have information that someone is lying, tell us. vote Meeko for magic bagging. I'm magic bagging?! Why should I vote for fruit now?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 17, 2013 1:16:51 GMT -5
And once again, I'm putting out forest fires that the game has already terra formed into the arctic.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 17, 2013 3:51:55 GMT -5
Sorry for not getting back sooner RL has kept me busy - Anyway, I felt I was very clear with my posts but I guess you still have questions so in a nut shell - I'm the town tracker - I had decide to track Bill as he was the only one I voted for that came back and started posting last night but something in TLD post last night pinged me and I decide last minute to change and track TLD. So the bottom line is I'm a town tracker and last night I tracked The Last Days and he killed Idle. So Patricia and (possibly) Fruit performed actions on the same player on the same night? I still think this seems to challenge probability. Fruit, would you care to chime in yet with why you're so certain TLD deserves to be lynched? Either the two of you are on the same side and can talk to one another, or one of you is suspicious. Unfortunately I don't know which one seems more so. Vote: FruitAndGarbage - to be fair as I already have a vote on Patricia - until I can figure out who seems more scumlicious.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 17, 2013 4:55:32 GMT -5
catching up. After his comments last night I was interested in what The last Day may have been up to last night so for now I will vote Vote: The Last Days if you think scum killed Idle as I do you should vote the same why not come out straight and explain yourself? Can you explain more? Which comments in particular? How do you get from scum killed Idle to voting for Last? While I'm voting you for your swammer vote YesterDay, I'm very open to you making a good case here. Is this a "good case"? The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead
i really wish you would explain how you know this. ------------------------------------------------- well it seems it's moot with TheLastDays' admission. i still think that patricia should have just said exactly how she knew what she knew. at the time of her post, it wasn't clear whether she watched Idle and saw only TLD visit him or she tracked TLD to Idle. the former would have incriminating. the latter not so much. i'd also like to iterate that such revelations be made later in the Day. this basically kills scum hunting. TLD's lynch is practically guaranteed. we'll try but it will be halfhearted. i actually would like to give TLD the benefit of the doubt. it's easy to see if he's truthful and therefore harmless.
Pleo, it's not that gastardly. if patricia didn't see Idle die, TLD would have stood a chance.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 17, 2013 5:02:37 GMT -5
I would like to know how you manage to survie, I've never heard of that. A SisC typo or TLD making an oops as he fakes his PM? Good catch, Jan. My vote stands. heh, we've seen typos before. i don't think spelling or grammar should matter. it's the content. I would like to know how you manage to survie, I've never heard of that. A SisC typo or TLD making an oops as he fakes his PM? Good catch, Jan. My vote stands. Sorry for not getting back sooner RL has kept me busy - Anyway, I felt I was very clear with my posts but I guess you still have questions so in a nut shell - I'm the town tracker - I had decide to track Bill as he was the only one I voted for that came back and started posting last night but something in TLD post last night pinged me and I decide last minute to change and track TLD. So the bottom line is I'm a town tracker and last night I tracked The Last Days and he killed Idle. As scum has every reason to want me dead tonight (I'm sure you can find them in my voters today) I'm going to post my PM as well as I have nothing to hide and without a doc protecting me I'm a short timer in this game anyway. you're lucky TLD admitted. your role didn't guarantee he was the killer.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 17, 2013 9:25:03 GMT -5
Good catch, Jan. My vote stands. heh, we've seen typos before. i don't think spelling or grammar should matter. it's the content. Good catch, Jan. My vote stands. Sorry for not getting back sooner RL has kept me busy - Anyway, I felt I was very clear with my posts but I guess you still have questions so in a nut shell - I'm the town tracker - I had decide to track Bill as he was the only one I voted for that came back and started posting last night but something in TLD post last night pinged me and I decide last minute to change and track TLD. So the bottom line is I'm a town tracker and last night I tracked The Last Days and he killed Idle. As scum has every reason to want me dead tonight (I'm sure you can find them in my voters today) I'm going to post my PM as well as I have nothing to hide and without a doc protecting me I'm a short timer in this game anyway. you're lucky TLD admitted. your role didn't guarantee he was the killer. The content doesn't make sense either. Kill someone, then be a survivor the rest of the game? I seriously doubt it at all You can't say that is a very unusual role? And misspellings have caught people before. True, Patricia's claim doesn't guarantee that TLD isn't the killer, but it shows that he could be the killer. Yet, you accept his claim..... Actually, you are making me suspect that you may be saving your scum buddy. Vote: Gnarlycharlie.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 17, 2013 10:21:34 GMT -5
save a scum buddy? have you seen the number of votes on TLD? don't be silly. if we were scum i wouldn't dream of defending him. you're just slinging mud and hoping it will stick.
Vote: Colby
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 17, 2013 10:42:00 GMT -5
Good morning and I've even had coffee vote count:
thelastdays (10,10): FruitAndGarbage [12]; patricia [22]; dizzymrslizzy [31]; silverjan [39]; Colby11 [44]; Chameleon [45]; Pleonast [58]; BillMc [62]; Suburban Plankton [68]; Mahaloth [75];
FruitAndGarbage (5,5): Pleonast [8]; thelastdays [20]; Suburban Plankton [21]; silverjan [24]; Chameleon [79]
patricia (4,4): Pleonast [8]; Suburban Plankton [21]; Meeko [41]; Chameleon [69]
Colby11 (2,2): Suburban Plankton [21]; gnarlycharlie [83]
Suburban Plankton (1,1): FruitAndGarbage [35] DizzyMrsLizzy (1,1): Meeko [41] Pleonast (1,1): Meeko [41] Colby11 (1,1): Meeko [41] Meeko (1,1): Pleonast [56] gnarlycharlie (1,1): Colby11 [82]
With these votes, thelastdays will be lynched.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 17, 2013 12:08:20 GMT -5
Sorry for not getting back sooner RL has kept me busy - Anyway, I felt I was very clear with my posts but I guess you still have questions so in a nut shell - I'm the town tracker - I had decide to track Bill as he was the only one I voted for that came back and started posting last night but something in TLD post last night pinged me and I decide last minute to change and track TLD. So the bottom line is I'm a town tracker and last night I tracked The Last Days and he killed Idle. As scum has every reason to want me dead tonight (I'm sure you can find them in my voters today) I'm going to post my PM as well as I have nothing to hide and without a doc protecting me I'm a short timer in this game anyway. Thank you for an allegedly complete role PM. There seems to be some slight discrepancies. You claimed that Last is 1) Idle's killer and 2) scum. Yet your claimed role does not provide any information of that sort. Do you have any evidence for those two claims beyond the fact that you tracked Last visiting Idle? As a general note (this means you, Fruit), this is why incriminating evidence needs to be very clear. We need to know what is moderator-supplied evidence and what is player inference. If a player is town, we can absolutely trust any moderator-supplied evidence once the player is confirmed. Player inferences can be trusted as honestly motivated, but not necessarily correct. I'm magic bagging?! Why should I vote for fruit now? You are claiming knowledge that some players are lying. Please give us your evidence and how you obtained it. Vote for Fruit if you think they're scum or a win-stealer. If you think they're town or third-party, don't. Pleo, it's not that gastardly. if patricia didn't see Idle die, TLD would have stood a chance. A simple survivor role, with no powers to support survival, is unfair. A survivor role, who also has to be certain another player is eliminated and is given only a one-shot power to attempt it, is gastardly. Having a small chance of winning, even after everything went their way, does not change that.
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Post by patricia on Oct 17, 2013 13:46:01 GMT -5
Ok, I'm at work so I only have a quick minute but to answer some questions
Yes, I assumed that The Last Days is a) scum and b) the killer I know that I tracked him and he visited Idle
I don't think anyone else killed Idle and he did say he killed him - However there is a chance I'm wrong about him being scum (not big enough to make me chance my vote ) but a chance as I don't have any knowledge that he is scum
As to why I changed to track Days - I don't have time to reread last night but from the top of my head the ping had something to do with him being more worried about someone saying I was scum then I was - It just seemed off that Days was concerned about someone else being called scummy.
If I missed something I'll be around later
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Post by patricia on Oct 17, 2013 13:48:55 GMT -5
Sorry for not getting back sooner RL has kept me busy - Anyway, I felt I was very clear with my posts but I guess you still have questions so in a nut shell - I'm the town tracker - I had decide to track Bill as he was the only one I voted for that came back and started posting last night but something in TLD post last night pinged me and I decide last minute to change and track TLD. So the bottom line is I'm a town tracker and last night I tracked The Last Days and he killed Idle. As scum has every reason to want me dead tonight (I'm sure you can find them in my voters today) I'm going to post my PM as well as I have nothing to hide and without a doc protecting me I'm a short timer in this game anyway. Thank you for an allegedly complete role PM. There seems to be some slight discrepancies. You claimed that Last is 1) Idle's killer and 2) scum. Yet your claimed role does not provide any information of that sort. Do you have any evidence for those two claims beyond the fact that you tracked Last visiting Idle? As a general note (this means you, Fruit), this is why incriminating evidence needs to be very clear. We need to know what is moderator-supplied evidence and what is player inference. If a player is town, we can absolutely trust any moderator-supplied evidence once the player is confirmed. Player inferences can be trusted as honestly motivated, but not necessarily correct. I'm magic bagging?! Why should I vote for fruit now? You are claiming knowledge that some players are lying. Please give us your evidence and how you obtained it. Vote for Fruit if you think they're scum or a win-stealer. If you think they're town or third-party, don't. Pleo, it's not that gastardly. if patricia didn't see Idle die, TLD would have stood a chance. A simple survivor role, with no powers to support survival, is unfair. A survivor role, who also has to be certain another player is eliminated and is given only a one-shot power to attempt it, is gastardly. Having a small chance of winning, even after everything went their way, does not change that. Did you see my wincon for watchman - The only way I could win was to have no deaths half of the days and nights in the game - I still think Days is scum but the win con isn't the hardest I have seen in the year I have been playing
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 17, 2013 14:04:22 GMT -5
Yes, I assumed that The Last Days is a) scum and b) the killer I know that I tracked him and he visited Idle I don't think anyone else killed Idle and he did say he killed him - However there is a chance I'm wrong about him being scum (not big enough to make me chance my vote ) but a chance as I don't have any knowledge that he is scum Thank you. Those are reasonable inferences. I simply wanted some clarity on what you knew versus what you figured out. Did you see my wincon for watchman - The only way I could win was to have no deaths half of the days and nights in the game - I still think Days is scum but the win con isn't the hardest I have seen in the year I have been playing Yes, see my comments in the spoiled thread for that game. Those were gastardly victory conditions and I wish story would explain their thoughts on them. Game designers can make mistakes, but players have to assume they haven't.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 17, 2013 14:06:39 GMT -5
Forgot to put in unvote patricia My suspicion is greatly reduced. I do not consider patricia confirmed, but they are not a good lynch candidate without some substantial evidence.
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