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Post by peekercpa on May 28, 2014 12:12:29 GMT -5
CORRECTION TO POST 50 - I see that Meeko has not yet taken the 'deal' but patricia has i also will pick up a black gem and throw it at the spider I don't see the value in essentially having the rest of us, that is, the active players, reduce our impact on the game by basically lurking and rollins dice instead. www.google.com/#q=godfather+quotes&tbm=vidme so sad. there is no lurking suggested, quite the opposite, if there is no lurking then i would even vote no deal. when people are reduced to lying about what you said that is never a good sign about their intentions. and i remember playing poker with you at some point in the past meeko. you are not so stupid to actually believe that a choice between a subset and a total random from a superset are the same. that's why we play poker and not craps or roulette. in the first every decrease/increase in information helps whereas in the latter 2 what just happens doesn't help me at all for my next move. i was suggesting this for one round. just to get rid of some dead weight as well as seeing how some power rolls and teams would behave. some people think it a good idea, some people don't understand, and some people are against. i think that in and of itself provides some really clear data.
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Post by peekercpa on May 28, 2014 12:20:14 GMT -5
How do you propose to control what the hell Scum will do? we might hit a Scum with random.org- for the lynch ( if any of them are innactive )- but Scum sure as hell are not going to take out one of their own with a NK-- I read this as giving Scum an advantage since they are not bound by their word in game- and we don't know who they are I am Town and I have a sliver of proof ( just a sliver mind you ) oh, my goodness, scum might play games. sure if random.org picks a scum does that mean they whack them definitely not. so do they stay in the small pool or do they go out fishing? i don't know. but i tell you this. i have found more scum by making them talk than by letting them sit back and watch us damn townies hammer away on eath other. maybe we take the lowest three posters the fourt lowest poster (pulled out of my ear) and the highest vote getter), shake that nasty mix and let 'er fly. back in a sec.
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Post by peekercpa on May 28, 2014 12:41:58 GMT -5
lightfoot, crys and story
ok i didn't have a read on any of these. the only pings i have gotten have been from light and dizzy. i was originally on mary as a joke since she knew paul. now apparantly something happened with paule - they were upping my meds and adding new ones incrementally so i was in the land of oz at the end of the bunny hole. can someone tell me what in the world happened.
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Post by peekercpa on May 28, 2014 12:42:32 GMT -5
lightfoot, crys and story
ok i didn't have a read on any of these. the only pings i have gotten have been from light and dizzy. i was originally on mary as a joke since she knew paul. now apparantly something happened with paule - they were upping my meds and adding new ones incrementally so i was in the land of oz at the end of the bunny hole. can someone tell me what in the world happened.
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Post by LightFoot on May 28, 2014 12:42:36 GMT -5
CORRECTION TO POST 50 - I see that Meeko has not yet taken the 'deal' but patricia has i also will pick up a black gem and throw it at the spider I don't see the value in essentially having the rest of us, that is, the active players, reduce our impact on the game by basically lurking and rollins dice instead. That is part of the point I am trying to make- I saw my error and didn't want to put actions in your basket that weren't yours
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Post by peekercpa on May 28, 2014 12:52:15 GMT -5
I'll also take a black gem and toss change up inside. then i'll take another and toss another, a cutter inside as well, then i'll take another and toss a curver to the outside. then i take my last one and toss a chin destroyer while it is still off balance from the curve ball. KERSPLAT Mr. Spider might be alive but he won't be eating solid food for a year, if ever.
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Post by LightFoot on May 28, 2014 12:54:09 GMT -5
How do you propose to control what the hell Scum will do? we might hit a Scum with random.org- for the lynch ( if any of them are innactive )- but Scum sure as hell are not going to take out one of their own with a NK-- I read this as giving Scum an advantage since they are not bound by their word in game- and we don't know who they are I am Town and I have a sliver of proof ( just a sliver mind you ) oh, my goodness, scum might play games. sure if random.org picks a scum does that mean they whack them definitely not. so do they stay in the small pool or do they go out fishing? i don't know. but i tell you this. i have found more scum by making them talk than by letting them sit back and watch us damn townies hammer away on eath other. maybe we take the lowest three posters the fourt lowest poster (pulled out of my ear) and the highest vote getter), shake that nasty mix and let 'er fly. back in a sec. I get how it could be productive in the Day phase - for lynch clues/pressure them to post- but if all the Scum are active Town loses a player and as to the Night phase - Scum will NK a Townie no matter what and we will have to find them through conventional means.. We don't know who Scum are and can't punish them for not holding up their end of the bargain
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 28, 2014 13:18:14 GMT -5
No I mean I guess I get Peeker's point on put pressure, tell Scum hey kill this person, and if they don't then that puts a big bullseye on that person, because of course Scum won't NK one of their own. We can't punish the rest of the team, but we CAN then lynch them the next day, but as I said in my last post, there would be a large variety of reasons why the person didn't get lynched.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 28, 2014 13:27:26 GMT -5
And just to be transparent. I'm not avoiding lightfoots question. I had to go pick up my son from the bus.
The short answer is because I won a gem that provided protection from a night kill on a previous night.
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Post by peekercpa on May 28, 2014 16:47:06 GMT -5
unvote whoever the fuck i have already voted
[color=bluevote mary[/b]
[color=bluevote johnny brava[/b]
maybe he won't catch that.
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Post by Chameleon on May 28, 2014 17:50:24 GMT -5
Wow, every once in a while I think Pizza possesses Peeker, or maybe they're just 2 different personalities in the same body. I feel like the last few posts you've made Peeker have gone completely over my head. At least you're finally saying that you understand how unlikely it is that Scum will Night kill one of their own. I still wish I understood what you were initially thinking though.
I feel somewhat neutral about voting lurkers. I guess I feel sorry for those who actually can't manage to play for a bit because I'm sometimes in that situation. But can it be a Scum strategy? Of course it can. And in the case of this game I'm not sure what else I see that seems overtly suspicious. I believe Maha since there's been no counterclaim. However we mustn't forget the possibility of a Godfather.
Now that you're back Johnny I wanted to mention my vote for you yesterDay. If I had seen your response in time to change my vote I may have since I can understand the intimidation of playing on a new board with a lot of players you don't know. Especially ones that seem to know one another and often have some inside musings that just fly right by. That said I hope you post some of your thoughts on toDay - sometimes it's good to get an "outside" view.
Dizzy, why didn't you mention the gem protection before? It might help us determine (or at least guess) what the gems do if we can combine the information. Or not I suppose if they do different things from day to day. I'm just thinking the shield thing showed up more than once.
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Post by Chameleon on May 28, 2014 17:53:19 GMT -5
Oh, and I know what I forgot to ask. This may seem stupid but I'm just curious about people throwing the gems at the spider - what if that's interpreted as you putting them back?
Colby, if players say they're throwing their gems at the spider will they still have them?
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Post by peekercpa on May 28, 2014 19:09:58 GMT -5
Now that you're back Johnny I wanted to mention my vote for you yesterDay. <snipped> he's back? one post of i will catch up means that a player is back. what horrible parrallell universe did i get transported into?
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Post by Meeko on May 28, 2014 21:07:44 GMT -5
unvote whoever the fuck i have already voted[color=bluevote mary [/b] [color=bluevote johnny brava[/b] maybe he won't catch that. [/quote] I don't think he will.
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Post by Colby11 on May 28, 2014 21:41:03 GMT -5
Oh, and I know what I forgot to ask. This may seem stupid but I'm just curious about people throwing the gems at the spider - what if that's interpreted as you putting them back? Colby, if players say they're throwing their gems at the spider will they still have them?Yes
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Post by Chameleon on May 29, 2014 4:33:24 GMT -5
I keep going back to the idea of a Godfather. Once a Godfather is investigated as Town they can get away with a hell of a lot. Like suggesting using Random.org to choose the lynch candidate - an action they will do themselves. I don't know if it can be proven or not, but what's to stop said Godfather from saying they used Random.org when they actually pulled a random Townie out of their scummy ass (ewwww, sorry) while they're pretty much free and clear? I'm sorry, I just don't feel good about Peeker at the moment, despite the Townie investigation. That said, the Townie investigation makes me nervous to vote for him as well as having an awareness that probability is against me. I just can't forget the game where I guessed the Godfather based on minimal evidence and I was right. It's not that I'm dead set again the randomizing idea, it's just that I have a bad feeling about trusting one (investigated as Townie and therefore free-from-suspicion) player with it. And I still stand by my sympathy for those who really can't be here.
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Post by Meeko on May 29, 2014 4:36:11 GMT -5
I am fucking pissed beyond belief. Colby has just informed me that my power is useless. I was trying to make this game work, but it's broken eight ways to Sunday. Yes, I am power town, but that power has no power what so ever. The only reason I was still trying to make this game work, was just taken from me, because Colby can't create a worthwhile power.
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Post by Meeko on May 29, 2014 4:37:17 GMT -5
sub me out Colby. You deserve all of the flames this game is going down into.
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Post by Meeko on May 29, 2014 5:07:13 GMT -5
To Everyone
I would address this to town, but it transcends the game. It is more Meta than not.
I hate the level if inactivity in this game. It forced me to confirm my worst fear about Mafia; one player cannot get anything going if no one else is willing to match the effort. I have theories on certain players that I wanted to start conversations on, but, there is no one listening. There is no reason to expend effort.
My role indeed has a power. As I understood the power, I felt that I had enough to get "something going". Yes, some would say at one point with my power, that I was monopolizing the game.
But damn, someone needs to monopolize this game now. Because no one is, and the game, and our community is hurting because of it.
I have told Colby why I feel that my power is not a power, and that I am basically vanilla.
If I am vanilla, I have no reason to stay in this excuse of a game.
If I had a power, and suffice to say, the exact power I had helped a lot (I also went into detail with Colby over this) here, I would stay in the game, and actively participate. I've been told that my power is not what I thought it was. Hence I am vanilla, hence I have no reason or desire to remain.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 29, 2014 6:44:02 GMT -5
Meeko, don't get all riled up. You can't be super powerful in every game. It's Day 3, and I think we're in a pretty good position with a good pool of clears. There's not much room for scum to move around.
I have a kind of weird power, as in by the time I get my information it usually has been too late to do anything about it.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 29, 2014 7:29:58 GMT -5
So now that I have a few minutes to actually sit down and flesh this out my long answer of how I know Gems can protect people from Night Kills, I can confirm what I've been hinting about.
I'm the Town Gemologist, I possess the Book of Gems, and am able to ask about one gem per Day/Night Cycle.
Day 1 the Black Gem protected the third player that picked it up from all Night Kills Night 2 the White Gem protected the first player that picked it up from a Night Kill.
I do not know: What the Green Gem did Day 1 What the White Gem did Night 1 What the Gems Day 2 did
I also am not allowed to directly say what the gems do while they are in play, otherwise their powers will not work. But so far, every gem I've researched has had "good powers" and we know that Gems have both Good and Bad powers, so I'm sure there has to be some bad powers coming up."
As well, I would suspect that other players that have won gems aren't allowed to discuss their gem winnings and what they do. The PM I received when I won the one that I got said I couldn't discuss it in game or it will invalidate it. I guess at this point I can, but I didn't clarify that with the Mod.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 29, 2014 7:36:10 GMT -5
I keep going back to the idea of a Godfather. Once a Godfather is investigated as Town they can get away with a hell of a lot. Like suggesting using Random.org to choose the lynch candidate - an action they will do themselves. I agree with you in some ways, but not in others. Yes I'm very wary of the possibility of a Godfather, but that's a possibility in every game we play that doesn't announce what the power set is before we start. As well there's all kinds of other weird roles out there, and in the Mod of the game's head that they can make up. Sometimes it's balanced well, other times it's a crapshoot. My point is we shouldn't be paranoid and scared of what's out there. It's good to keep it in the back of your mind, but I think we're at the point of paranoia regarding the possibilities of a Godfather. Okay here's where I disagree. Peekers I feel is very much the doctor. First of all he has a Town Cop investigation on his side. Yeah he could possibly be a Godfather, it's not out of the realm of possibility, BUT he claimed Doctor, and no one counter claimed him. If there was a REAL doctor out there, it would have been smart to counter him. At this point, we have a unpredictable Doctor alive, and the Cop is alive, and who knows if Peekers is going to self protect, or protect the cop. It's a crapshoot of what he's going to do, and will keep scum on their toes. I don't think testing and lynching a claimed Doctor is a good thing to do.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 29, 2014 7:37:23 GMT -5
To EveryoneIf I am vanilla, I have no reason to stay in this excuse of a game. That's really as crappy as Idle backing out of a game because he was Scum.
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Post by LightFoot on May 29, 2014 8:19:36 GMT -5
To EveryoneIf I am vanilla, I have no reason to stay in this excuse of a game. That's really as crappy as Idle backing out of a game because he was Scum. It is my understanding that a vanilla game can be fun as well hell look at my power- not much use at this point ( or probably ever ) but we still play chameleon in the back of my mind I keep thinking about a godfather role in the semi cleared pool
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Post by LightFoot on May 29, 2014 8:22:55 GMT -5
dizzy keep in mind that we may not even have a cop or a doc
if you had been given the first aid gem would you have asked the Mod about it in public ?
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Post by Chameleon on May 29, 2014 8:33:10 GMT -5
I don't think testing and lynching a claimed Doctor is a good thing to do. I didn't say I definitely wanted to lynch him and I didn't vote for him. The idea that a cleared Godfather can do pretty much anything is stuck in my mind. I've said this in other games - I tend to have stubborn thoughts that won't go away. I really was just musing out loud and thought that would be a clever play for Scum. Admittedly I kind of ignored (forgot) the doctor part in my excitement. Meeko, obviously I don't know the details of the circumstances, but I would hate to see you leave the game because you didn't have a usable power.
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Post by peekercpa on May 29, 2014 9:04:01 GMT -5
i gotta say meeko quitting because you are basically vanilla is pretty weak sauce. i kind of like being plain vanilla townie. that's when you can really let 'em rip. to some extent that's when you you face the least chance of lynch and the highest chance of NK with no chance of any protection. what better way to go out. draw the guns on you and leave the protection to where it can do so some good elsewhere as well as previously shrinking the pool of lynch candidates of where scum can hide. carp, when i phrase it that way they are damn near the most powerful role in the town stable.
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Post by peekercpa on May 29, 2014 9:30:24 GMT -5
the one other thing is that i am getting an uber bad feeling that most of the lurkers/non particpants/drop off the face of the earth folks are lurkers. there might be one scum there but that's probably it. is which case: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIVfbylUU-Meven though i will endeavor to persevere.
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Post by Meeko on May 29, 2014 10:36:20 GMT -5
i gotta say meeko quitting because you are basically vanilla is pretty weak sauce. i kind of like being plain vanilla townie. that's when you can really let 'em rip. to some extent that's when you you face the least chance of lynch and the highest chance of NK with no chance of any protection. what better way to go out. draw the guns on you and leave the protection to where it can do so some good elsewhere as well as previously shrinking the pool of lynch candidates of where scum can hide. carp, when i phrase it that way they are damn near the most powerful role in the town stable. FTR : I have a power. As I understood the power, I felt it was balanced for one person to have. This of course assumes a normal flow of game activity in which to work with. At the point the game slowed to a halt, I thought my power made playing still barely possible. After finding out what my power does, and more to the point does not do, I didn't and still don't feel like I can contribute anything to the game, much less play. The power I have is a good but balanced power. It is only after finding out what the power can't do (and with that, key parts of the game I am not divulging presently) that I am left to conclude the game is a broken unbalanced nonstarter.
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Post by Meeko on May 29, 2014 10:42:01 GMT -5
NETA: I summarized my last paragraph a bit too much. The power, as I thought it was to be used, was fair and balanced. The actual power is far, far weaker. To the point that it is no power.
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