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Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 12, 2014 20:08:46 GMT -5
Dark Souls
Chapter 3: Day - After the Rooftop ”Lordran sucks,” the ghoul opines. They file, exhausted, back to the bonfire from the roof of the church. Armor is singed, weapons are dulled. “A hostile, animated stone gargoyle is all in good fun, but a giant hostile animated stone gargoyle? A hostile, animated, giant, fire-breathing stone gargoyle? A hostile, animated, giant, fire-breathing stone gargoyle with a twin brother? Who even built those? Why were they there? This is a stupid place. Hee hee hee!”
They seriously consider killing him, but since he is already dead they judge it to be a waste of perfectly good sharp things.
In the corner there’s a new message, in orange as before:Weapons and Armor are still available. Hollow and need protection? Need replenishment? Let me know.Collectively, they shrug. They dump the bodies in the corner, near the message, because why not? By late in the evening, two more half-living pilgrims have staggered back toward the group.Swammerdami is now HOLLOW. Colby11 is now HOLLOWBut those two guys are the lucky ones. The third body, the one that faced down the gargoyle… that one doesn’t get up at all.BillMc, who was Andre of Astora, part of the Way of the White, has skipped “go” and gone directly to dead.----------------------- Day Three begins now, and will end at 12:30PM Eastern time on Thursday, July 17.
There are a LOT of PMs to be sent right now - please be patient if you don't receive your results immediately.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 12, 2014 20:12:51 GMT -5
A town Bill is often a quickly dead Bill. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 12, 2014 20:21:00 GMT -5
In other news, from my (nonexistent) understanding of the canon, we have a Darkwraith contingency playing (or someone who wants us to think they are Darkwraiths) and trying to recruit via a red eye orb.
One was placed for me to find last night. If I chose to pick it up, I would have changed alignments, as I am not a Darkwraith. I did not pick it up, as I am fairly sure the responsible party(s) already know.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 12, 2014 22:02:22 GMT -5
I can't directly quote from the Night thread since it's locked, but this is from Chronos' Post 63There's an easy answer to this one: I'm an idiot. Obviously, if one of the Masons is a Detective, then he would be able to determine that someone else is a Non-Hostile when he investigates them. ![:-*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/smack.gif) In other news, I'm guessing that Bill's death was a 'Scum kill' for a couple reasons. First, I think the Scum are most likely to be able to bypass the'Hollowed' phase (though I could see that as a one-time Vig/SK action)...and second, the 'Kill Bill' strategy just strikes me as a coordinated Scum decision rather than a Vig/SK act. Also, the rather large difference in carnage between Nights 1 and 2 suggests that we had at least one successful protection and/or block on Night 1.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 13, 2014 7:02:08 GMT -5
I'd also wager that Bill's Death was a Scum Kill of some sort. There may have been a block in place on N1, or it could be an every other Night Vig? IDK, too many possibilities right now.
I find it odd that Guiri was left alive, especially after claiming WOTW. And they left the Vocal Mason alone as well.
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 13, 2014 7:33:17 GMT -5
Bill hadn't really posted a heck of a lot. Maybe whoever killed him figured he wouldn't have any kind of protection. I can't remember if this was mentioned before and I'm too lazy to look - but I was wondering what happened if 2 attempted kills are made on the same player at the same time? Does that essentially hollow and kill them in one step? I don't know if I think Scum has a direct kill, however I can see them having more than one killing mechanism so that sometimes they can apply 2 at the same time.
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Post by guiri on Jul 13, 2014 7:56:42 GMT -5
I'd also wager that Bill's Death was a Scum Kill of some sort. There may have been a block in place on N1, or it could be an every other Night Vig? IDK, too many possibilities right now. I find it odd that Guiri was left alive, especially after claiming WOTW. And they left the Vocal Mason alone as well. I wasn't left alive, the message I received from the moderator was: "You were attacked during the Night. Your chain mail kept you alive, but is now broken."
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Post by guiri on Jul 13, 2014 8:03:39 GMT -5
So that makes at least 4 attacks last Night. Swammer, Colby, Bill, me, and possibly others that were blocked or prevented.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 13, 2014 9:20:37 GMT -5
ok, bunch of observations/questions for the crowd. i have posited but still can't quite geta grip. mog don't lie. but does that include everything in the posts? by that i mean can someone insert something in a mog post that is not of mog design that is full of poo? apparantly there was a heckalot of shooting and firing going on last Night. maybe N1 was a mass rb or something? and cookies this orb thingy. is it something that you can use or trade or what? kind of sounds like a real convoluted leftover from the whole abstain thing. don't know the canon for this setup so i am sorry if i come about like a bag of turnips.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 13, 2014 10:05:48 GMT -5
I am still quite busy on vacation. If any miracles/sorceries were not delivered immediately at morning, forgive me. I will re-check and make sure. We at Mahaloth's Shop of Sorceries and Miracles always deliver...even if slightly delayed due to management.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 13, 2014 10:51:32 GMT -5
All I know is that by not touching the orb, it vanished at Dawn. If I had touched it I would have changed to some mystery covenant that the color seems to suggest as Darkwraith. There was no other indication if what would happen to the orb after I did or did not touch it, which I did not.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 13, 2014 12:10:18 GMT -5
and cookies i don't want to beat dead horses any more than necessary but is this knowledge because of pm or of canon. because if it is of pm then i feel like i might have somewhat of some kind of an outside shot at something. but if it is canon, curious george is going to likely explode himself at some time just because he's curious.
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Post by sinjin on Jul 13, 2014 12:23:20 GMT -5
ok, bunch of observations/questions for the crowd. i have posited but still can't quite geta grip. mog don't lie. but does that include everything in the posts? by that i mean can someone insert something in a mog post that is not of mog design that is full of poo? apparantly there was a heckalot of shooting and firing going on last Night. maybe N1 was a mass rb or something? and cookies this orb thingy. is it something that you can use or trade or what? kind of sounds like a real convoluted leftover from the whole abstain thing. don't know the canon for this setup so i am sorry if i come about like a bag of turnips. This was answered last Night by the mog: How could Night one be a mass roll block if abstain ended up dead? Did you not read what Cookies wrote? The orb was a recruiting device. In what way does it make sense that it was a convoluted leftover from the abstain "thing"? In other news, from my (nonexistent) understanding of the canon, we have a Darkwraith contingency playing (or someone who wants us to think they are Darkwraiths) and trying to recruit via a red eye orb. One was placed for me to find last night. If I chose to pick it up, I would have changed alignments, as I am not a Darkwraith. I did not pick it up, as I am fairly sure the responsible party(s) already know.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 13, 2014 12:48:28 GMT -5
The orb was described as red, shaped like a human eye, with a crack running through it. Googling for 'red eye orb Dark Souls' is how I pulled the association to Darkwraiths out of my ass.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 13, 2014 12:48:50 GMT -5
hey sin i didn't say i had the answers i had questions. but from what i can gather it looks likes we had a heckalot of folks just pile on abstain N1 or something else happened. because it sure seems like it got busier last Night. and heck i don't know how abstain recruited folks. did you just pm him and he waved a wand and voila you switcherood or was there another mechanism? and i guess i still don't get the kind of random info that the mog seems to publish that is not in italics. is it just random? is there some mechanism that influences the who and what? having played in a bunch of story games he seems to detest the random as just not being fair for the players. death reveals - sure. random posts - borderline. btw jack and jill are blah - have trouble buying.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 13, 2014 12:59:16 GMT -5
The orb was described as red, shaped like a human eye, with a crack running through it. Googling for 'red eye orb Dark Souls' is how I pulled the association to Darkwraiths out of my ass. and i sure hope this is not directed at me. i was just wondering whether it was something you could pick up and trade with maha or someone else if you desired?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 13, 2014 13:56:31 GMT -5
Just my way of saying I have zero familiarity with Dark Souls.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 13, 2014 13:58:59 GMT -5
My hypothesis is that Bill, who went directly from human to dead, is the Scum kill. I further hypothesize that this ability was directed at me Night 1, but was stopped by protection (I know for a fact that I was protected that Night). This leaves abstain killed by some other faction or ability, which was presumably also responsible for one of swammer or Colby. Then we also have one additional kill to account for: This might have been also aimed at me Night 1, or it might have some other limitation that prevented its use.
Mahaloth, what inventory do you currently have?
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Post by Chronos on Jul 13, 2014 14:01:43 GMT -5
Oh, and because I'm apparently not thinking clearly, we might have two additional kills to account for, if guiri is to be believed.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 13, 2014 15:22:35 GMT -5
I have received no mod pm from last Night so I can not update inventory yet.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 13, 2014 15:27:01 GMT -5
My hypothesis is that Bill, who went directly from human to dead, is the Scum kill. I further hypothesize that this ability was directed at me Night 1, but was stopped by protection (I know for a fact that I was protected that Night). This leaves abstain killed by some other faction or ability, which was presumably also responsible for one of swammer or Colby. Then we also have one additional kill to account for: This might have been also aimed at me Night 1, or it might have some other limitation that prevented its use. Chronos, I take this to mean that you know that you were protected, but you are only guessing that you were attacked. Is that correct? I ask because Guiri indicates that he knows that he was both attacked and (self)protected. I agree that Bill is likely the scum kill and I agree with Suburban Plankton (by the way, for some reason my brain maps Suburban Plankton and Hal Briston to the same spot. To me, they are essentially the same person. I know they are not, but I confuse them as one. I think I've mentioned this before) that a full human-to-dead scum power makes sense from a balance perspective. If scum had to use two nights to kill a person, that would be rather unfair. Furthermore, it would potentially tip off who its town. If scum have a human-to-dead kill power then it makes sense to assume they did not target Guiri as that would be a waste of resources. The thing that bothers me is that Chronos does not report having been attacked while guiri does. It might be a difference in powers, but it could be that Chronos simply wasn't attacked at all. If multiple players attempt to kill the same person at night, I wonder who gets the soul(s)? It seems plausible that multiple players targeted abstain (even if there was an attempt on Chronos). We had assumed that targeting abstain makes sense for soul gathering purposes. I wonder if these multiple killers learn a lesson on Night One and the ones that went after Swammerdami and Colby failed to get abstain's soul and therefore avoided guiri for that reason. But guiri says that someone attacked him so I'm assuming that guiri's attacker is the one that got abstain's soul*. *standard "if guiri/Chronos/whoever is to believed" disclaimers apply. Notes: Killer A: Killed abstain Night One and got his soul(s), attempted to kill Guiri Night Two Killer B: Attempted to kill abstain Night One, hollowed Swammerdami Night Two Killer C: Attempted to kill abstain Night One, hollowed Colby Night Two Killer D: Attempted to kill either abstain or Chronos or someone else on Night One, Full Kill of BillMc on Night Two Killer E?: Doubled up with Killer D on Night Two to enact the full kill (unlikely, but possible).
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Post by Chronos on Jul 13, 2014 16:06:11 GMT -5
I know for certain that I was protected Night 1. I believe that, as an outed Mason, I was a logical target for the Scum kill. We all know that, if there is a power that kills all the way in one shot (probable, but not actually certain: BillMc might have been targeted by two killers), it was not successfully used on Night 1. My conclusion that I was attacked on Night 1 is not a certainty, but I think it's pretty probable. I did not get a message that my protection saved me. If guiri did, it might be because his protection was (apparently) only good for one kill, and he has to be informed that he can't use it again. The protection that was on me can be re-used.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 13, 2014 18:41:38 GMT -5
I will post my updated inventory later.
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Post by sinjin on Jul 13, 2014 19:04:38 GMT -5
hey sin i didn't say i had the answers i had questions. but from what i can gather it looks likes we had a heckalot of folks just pile on abstain N1 or something else happened. because it sure seems like it got busier last Night. and heck i don't know how abstain recruited folks. did you just pm him and he waved a wand and voila you switcherood or was there another mechanism? and i guess i still don't get the kind of random info that the mog seems to publish that is not in italics. is it just random? is there some mechanism that influences the who and what? having played in a bunch of story games he seems to detest the random as just not being fair for the players. death reveals - sure. random posts - borderline. btw jack and jill are blah - have trouble buying. Peeks, my problem is not that you have questions and not answers, it's that your questions have already been answered. Abstain DIDN'T recruit people as he said over and over again Day 1 (not that I believed him then). He said he just facilitated folks to leave their covenants. Cookies says she was received a recruitment offer last Night. Why would you think the non-italicized stuff in Story's posts would be random? I think this is just your way of casting suspicion on the fact that I was mod-confirmed as of Last Night. Vote: PeekerFor just asking stupid questions and calling the Mod a liar.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 13, 2014 19:22:46 GMT -5
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Post by MentalGuy on Jul 13, 2014 20:44:07 GMT -5
Don't take this as a strident defense of Guiri, since he did seem to imply that he was unable to do anything, but he did not actually say that he did not have any items.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 13, 2014 20:46:07 GMT -5
I am quite confused by this same conundrum. He had no powers, but he had an item that he protected himself with....
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Post by Chronos on Jul 13, 2014 21:16:02 GMT -5
But he later clarified that he has no powers at all, and items, in this game, are powers.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 13, 2014 21:49:32 GMT -5
Here is my current inventory.
MIRACLES:
Tranquil Walk of Peace (M) – Use this miracle by Day; for the Night immediately following, no player is permitted to use any miracles regardless of its purpose. Can be used only once in the game.
Replenishment (M) – Use this miracle by Night and select a target; that player will be restored to Humanity if Hollow, and any broken/exhausted items will be repaired/recharged. Costs one soul to use, and can be used only once in the game.
Soothing Sunlight (M) – Use this miracle by Night to provide a very specific kind of protection to a single Human target: namely, the target will be Hollow, but not dead, when the Night ends (no matter what other attacks or abilities are used on that target – even attacks that normally penetrate miracle-based protection will not permanently kill a player under the protection of Soothing Sunlight). Can be used only once in the game, but costs no souls to use.
SORCERIES:
Hush (S) – Use this sorcery by Day; for the Night immediately following, no player is permitted to use any sorcery regardless of its purpose. Can be used only once in the game.
Aural Decoy (S) – Use this sorcery by Night to redirect any abilities aimed at a first target onto a second (either target may be the caster). Costs one soul to use.
Soul Arrow (S) – Use this miracle by Night to attack and hollow one (Human) target of your choice. This attack will penetrate protection from Armor or Weapons, but has no effect on a player who is already Hollow. Costs one soul to use.
Magic Shield (S) – Use this miracle by Night to protect one target from hostile attacks. Ineffective against attacks that penetrate protection by sorceries. Costs one soul to use.
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Post by sinjin on Jul 13, 2014 22:04:56 GMT -5
But he later clarified that he has no powers at all, and items, in this game, are powers. I, for one, never took items to be powers. This game is very different than any I have ever played, maybe not so much as you. Is your masonhood a power or an item? Do you have items?
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