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Post by sinjin on Jul 13, 2014 22:10:25 GMT -5
And if you go to the link that Chronos posted, guiri said this:
So, Guiri believed the same thing as I did/do, items are not powers. Why are you misrepresenting this Chronos?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 14, 2014 2:19:25 GMT -5
If items have powers but not all powers involve items, wouldn't everyone be right?
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Post by guiri on Jul 14, 2014 3:00:21 GMT -5
Between claimed masons, covenant freers, detectives, and merchants, I was clear to specify that I did not have any special powers but could use some items if I had any. I had equipment which protected me against a single attack, equipment doesn't sound like a special power to me.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 14, 2014 5:46:13 GMT -5
So I guess neither of you read the basic game concepts: What did you think items did, if not granting powers?
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Post by guiri on Jul 14, 2014 5:54:44 GMT -5
So I guess neither of you read the basic game concepts: What did you think items did, if not granting powers? I read this as some items give the user powers, but not all items are powers. Are you saying that your masonhood and the mason's detective abilities are tied to an item which you can give to another user? If that's the case, are there now 9 masons?
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Post by Chronos on Jul 14, 2014 6:01:52 GMT -5
The masonry itself doesn't derive from an item, but all of the things we can do (including investigating) do. And why did you use your chainmail if you thought it didn't do anything?
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Post by guiri on Jul 14, 2014 6:04:48 GMT -5
You sound like you are bothered that I survived a kill attempt, not that you are questioning my motives. I did not say that I thought my chainmail didn't do anything, I knew it provided protection from an attack.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 14, 2014 7:15:53 GMT -5
Between claimed masons, covenant freers, detectives, and merchants, I was clear to specify that I did not have any special powers but could use some items if I had any. I had equipment which protected me against a single attack, equipment doesn't sound like a special power to me. You equipment made you the equivalent of a Bulletproof character. I WOULD consider being Bulletproof a power. That's how I'm interpreting it. But I agree with a previous poster, it's kind of a moot point. It's a difference of opinion, and honestly it was good (if he is WotW) for Town that he didn't specify.
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Post by texcat on Jul 14, 2014 8:02:29 GMT -5
Vote totals
peeker(1): sinjin[23]
Day will end at 12:30PM Eastern time on Thursday, July 17.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 14, 2014 8:45:41 GMT -5
it does seem that Bill was the scum kill. i wonder if they can kill outright each time. if yes, someone did something right on N1 or scum did something wrong. as for guiri, now i see why he didn't seem too worried about being hollow. he had protection and not the prophylactic kind.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 14, 2014 9:37:47 GMT -5
sin i am sorry if my questions vex you. it just seems odd.
1. mog post information that is true - ok 2. mog adds a little bit of color that is true that might or might not be helpful but is true - ok 3. mog pulls a random factoid out of his ass and posts it - huh?
[oog] mom and pups doing well. the next 72 - 100 hours are the tough ones. typically if you are going to lose some this is when it happens. so now the alarm is set to go off on the hour rather than every other hour. just to make sure that no one is getting squished and that everyone gets a chance at the table. and now they want us to whelp another litter. cripes don't ever get good at something or you will end up doing that for the rest of your life[/oog]
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Post by Colby11 on Jul 14, 2014 10:34:08 GMT -5
Well, I am a little insulted that someone hollowed me last night. But, it is to be expected, since I am being quiet, as usual.
This arguement about items and powers is starting to make me suspicious. Guiri should know that items give off power, unless there is something different... Like being scum.
Vote: Guiri
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 14, 2014 11:21:23 GMT -5
(by the way, for some reason my brain maps Suburban Plankton and Hal Briston to the same spot. To me, they are essentially the same person. I know they are not, but I confuse them as one. I think I've mentioned this before) If it helps, I'm more of a goat person, myself...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 14, 2014 11:35:50 GMT -5
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Post by guiri on Jul 14, 2014 11:50:21 GMT -5
This arguement about items and powers is starting to make me suspicious. Guiri should know that items give off power, unless there is something different... Like being scum. How does this make sense as a vote? Did you want me to broadcast that I had armor? Or are you suggesting that I didn't know that I could use my items? Or that I didn't read the game setup thread?
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Post by guiri on Jul 14, 2014 13:14:09 GMT -5
As the game progresses, I'm getting more and more confident that Meeko is a lurking scumbag. How can he be enjoying this game?
Vote Meeko
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 14, 2014 13:19:10 GMT -5
That is cute. 'How does that make sense as a vote?' Followed by the most meta of metagame votes for Meeko.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 14, 2014 13:26:21 GMT -5
This arguement about items and powers is starting to make me suspicious. Guiri should know that items give off power, unless there is something different... Like being scum. How does this make sense as a vote? Did you want me to broadcast that I had armor? Or are you suggesting that I didn't know that I could use my items? Or that I didn't read the game setup thread? i'm going to side with guiri on this one. i am not sure that publishing everthing we have is the correct play. matter of fact sounds kind of stupid. either we just get a boatload of liars or scum and 3rd parties know where to aim. that don't sound optimal.
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Post by guiri on Jul 14, 2014 13:29:56 GMT -5
That is cute. 'How does that make sense as a vote?' Followed by the most meta of metagame votes for Meeko. Metagame? Did you miss my votes for Meeko on Day 1 and again on Day 2?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 14, 2014 14:13:03 GMT -5
It is lynch the lurking poached in meta sauce that a Townie Meeko would be louder. You might be right, but he's had what, one post of actual content?
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 14, 2014 15:06:36 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts on the players in the game: 1. gnarlycharly - I feel gnarlycharlie is skating by. I did not note any posts where he says anything controversial. 2. Chameleon - also skating. 3. Mahaloth - I believe his claim. storyteller has done the game within a game game before. However, I also agree with Guiri that Mahaloth's wares represent a liability to Town. The fact is certain powers in scum hands are more powerful than that same power in Town's hands. Scum have the benefit of knowledge and coordination to best use night powers. Lynching Mahaloth is not a great use of Town resources. I'm also concerned that he is collecting souls and anyone who kills him could gain those souls for their own nefarious purposes. He may or may not be 'hostile,' but he is a liability. 4. peekercpa - way too calm for my liking. 5. Hal Briston - absent as far as I can tell 6. dead 7. Colby11 - Voted for BillMc on Day Two; then BillMc fully died during the night. I feel this circumstance makes it unlikely that Colby11 planned to kill BillMc. Of course it may have been a scum team decision instead. 8. nesta - substitute 9. Dizzymrslizzy - I disagree with the approach to abstain. But I can't say that the events were unreasonable. abstain flat out said "help" non-town including hostile ones. 10. patricia - No clue 11. Meeko - way too calm for my liking. 12. Guiri - I disagree with the Day Two Guiri lynch. I feel that many guiri voters were not spending adequate time reading what guiri was saying and inferring nefariousness regarding Mahaloth when all I'm seeing is annoyance, skepticism, and the poignant fact that guiri would prefer Mahaloth be dead but is unwilling to waste a lynch on him. Hear hear. I agree. As for alignment, I don't see anything to tip off one way or the other. Being attacked Night Two could go either way. guiri's attacker could be Town wanting to finish the job that Town started with the D2 lynch. 13. bufftabby - votes for a claimed mason. This draws a WTF from me, but is consistent with bufftabby philosophy. lean town. 14. swammerdami - On Day One swammerdami is overly concerned with being lynched, but explicitly so. I feel that scum would also be super concerned about giving reason to be lynched, however I don't think scum would be so ridiculously upfront about it. 15. Suburban Plankton - lean town (i have that written down, but I don't remember why). 16. Inner Stickler - no read 17. Chronos - claimed mason. So far, he is meeting the expectations I would have of a claimed mason. 18. Mental Guy - leaning town for his bold move in play. He's at least doing something, even if that something carries risk that Town might turn on him and lynch him. I feel it shows he is not afraid of getting lynched. 19. Cookies - I disagree with Cookies regarding guiri. I don't really get why Cookies has a problem with guiri at all. I find it strange. 20. sachertorte - a delicious cake 21. Sister Coyote - no read 22. Sinjin - Night Two announcement of Town Alignment (good enough for me, for now). The bottom line for me which is kind of killing my eagerness to classify anyone as probable Town is this from the rules: idlemafia.com/post/113334"There will be recruitment – an extremely large amount of it, in fact – but no player will ever change Covenants (this game’s term for alignment) involuntarily. " An extremely large amount of recruitment makes me care less about current alignment than I usually would.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 14, 2014 15:06:50 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts on the players in the game: 1. gnarlycharly - I feel gnarlycharlie is skating by. I did not note any posts where he says anything controversial. 2. Chameleon - also skating. 3. Mahaloth - I believe his claim. storyteller has done the game within a game game before. However, I also agree with Guiri that Mahaloth's wares represent a liability to Town. The fact is certain powers in scum hands are more powerful than that same power in Town's hands. Scum have the benefit of knowledge and coordination to best use night powers. Lynching Mahaloth is not a great use of Town resources. I'm also concerned that he is collecting souls and anyone who kills him could gain those souls for their own nefarious purposes. He may or may not be 'hostile,' but he is a liability. 4. peekercpa - way too calm for my liking. 5. Hal Briston - absent as far as I can tell 6. dead 7. Colby11 - Voted for BillMc on Day Two; then BillMc fully died during the night. I feel this circumstance makes it unlikely that Colby11 planned to kill BillMc. Of course it may have been a scum team decision instead. 8. nesta - substitute 9. Dizzymrslizzy - I disagree with the approach to abstain. But I can't say that the events were unreasonable. abstain flat out said "help" non-town including hostile ones. 10. patricia - No clue 11. Meeko - way too calm for my liking. 12. Guiri - I disagree with the Day Two Guiri lynch. I feel that many guiri voters were not spending adequate time reading what guiri was saying and inferring nefariousness regarding Mahaloth when all I'm seeing is annoyance, skepticism, and the poignant fact that guiri would prefer Mahaloth be dead but is unwilling to waste a lynch on him. Hear hear. I agree. As for alignment, I don't see anything to tip off one way or the other. Being attacked Night Two could go either way. guiri's attacker could be Town wanting to finish the job that Town started with the D2 lynch. 13. bufftabby - votes for a claimed mason. This draws a WTF from me, but is consistent with bufftabby philosophy. lean town. 14. swammerdami - On Day One swammerdami is overly concerned with being lynched, but explicitly so. I feel that scum would also be super concerned about giving reason to be lynched, however I don't think scum would be so ridiculously upfront about it. 15. Suburban Plankton - lean town (i have that written down, but I don't remember why). 16. Inner Stickler - no read 17. Chronos - claimed mason. So far, he is meeting the expectations I would have of a claimed mason. 18. Mental Guy - leaning town for his bold move in play. He's at least doing something, even if that something carries risk that Town might turn on him and lynch him. I feel it shows he is not afraid of getting lynched. 19. Cookies - I disagree with Cookies regarding guiri. I don't really get why Cookies has a problem with guiri at all. I find it strange. 20. sachertorte - a delicious cake 21. Sister Coyote - no read 22. Sinjin - Night Two announcement of Town Alignment (good enough for me, for now). The bottom line for me which is kind of killing my eagerness to classify anyone as probable Town is this from the rules: idlemafia.com/post/113334"There will be recruitment – an extremely large amount of it, in fact – but no player will ever change Covenants (this game’s term for alignment) involuntarily. " An extremely large amount of recruitment makes me care less about current alignment than I usually would.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 14, 2014 15:09:37 GMT -5
It is lynch the lurking poached in meta sauce that a Townie Meeko would be louder. You might be right, but he's had what, one post of actual content? That, I think, is the point. Meeko is not short on posts, he is short on content posts. More revealing, is that Guiri voted for Meeko and all Meeko did was vote back rather calmly.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 14, 2014 15:22:52 GMT -5
13. bufftabby - votes for a claimed mason. This draws a WTF from me, but is consistent with bufftabby philosophy. lean town. The more I think about this the more I'm troubled by it. bufftabby, why did you feel that lynching Chronos was the best move for town to make during Day Two?
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 14, 2014 16:14:42 GMT -5
For those curious, I did ask about my stuff if I am killed. It can't be taken. Here is what story said. Your souls and inventory cannot be raided, stolen, or claimed after your death.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 14, 2014 18:13:33 GMT -5
I don't think my thoughts on Guiri would seem strange if participation was ensuing. I voted for him once and nit picked at one of his votes. If other people were saying more I'd be nitpicking them too.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 14, 2014 18:17:47 GMT -5
None of us are suggesting that you didn't know you could use your items. You're suggesting that. You said you had no powers, and then you used a power. This might be because you didn't read the setup thread, or somehow thought it didn't apply to you, but it might also be because you're lying about some things and lost track of your lies. Which is it? swammer, a question: Back in Night 1, you said you were considering using your soapstones to help Townies communicate. Implied in that message was that you would be doing this at no cost, but only for those whom you believed to be Town. Now, though, you've claimed third party. Does this mean that you had already decided that helping Town exclusively would help your win condition, or does it mean that you hoped to benefit from the information it would have made you privy to? Mahaloth, it occurs to me that we might be able to make a deal after all. On July 6, at 3:45 PM, you sent me a message. I would like to make a counteroffer. Reduce the number of souls by one but leave everything else the same, and I'll meet all the other terms of that offer. Should you decline this counteroffer, I'll meet none of the terms of that offer. This is a limited-time proposal: If I don't hear from you by this Wednesday, 9:00 PM EDT, I will assume that you're declining my counteroffer. I hope that you'll accept it, though: I trust that you'll see that this is profitable to both of us.
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 14, 2014 19:07:30 GMT -5
13. bufftabby - votes for a claimed mason. This draws a WTF from me, but is consistent with bufftabby philosophy. lean town. The more I think about this the more I'm troubled by it. bufftabby, why did you feel that lynching Chronos was the best move for town to make during Day Two? My Day One suspicions were aroused when he was discussing "punishing" anti-Town play. As I said at the time My suspicion of Chronos continued into Day Two, despite the mason claim. I didn't find anyone else suspicious based on the small number of posts that Day, although I didn't care for swammerdammi's poor attitude toward Chronos that Day. I found that to be somewhat anti-game, but not an alignment indication. I did not love putting down a Day-old leftover vote, but with no particular lynch choice looming, and the knowledge that I would be unavailable for most of the Day after that, Chronos was who I wanted to leave my vote on.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 14, 2014 19:44:46 GMT -5
Mahaloth, it occurs to me that we might be able to make a deal after all. On July 6, at 3:45 PM, you sent me a message. I would like to make a counteroffer. Reduce the number of souls by one but leave everything else the same, and I'll meet all the other terms of that offer. Should you decline this counteroffer, I'll meet none of the terms of that offer. This is a limited-time proposal: If I don't hear from you by this Wednesday, 9:00 PM EDT, I will assume that you're declining my counteroffer. I hope that you'll accept it, though: I trust that you'll see that this is profitable to both of us. I accept and will PM you today.
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 14, 2014 20:23:17 GMT -5
Well, I am a little insulted that someone hollowed me last night. But, it is to be expected, since I am being quiet, as usual. This arguement about items and powers is starting to make me suspicious. Guiri should know that items give off power, unless there is something different... Like being scum. Really? The distinction of "armor" vs. "no special powers" seems to be a semantic quibble. I would think of a "special power" as an action of some sort, not an item passively offering protection.
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