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Post by Chronos on Jul 14, 2014 20:30:12 GMT -5
Mahaloth, I don't think you quite precisely grasped the nature of my counteroffer... But I'll take that as acceptance, and will hold up my end of the deal. As for that other matter you mentioned, if all goes well I'll take you up on that at a later time, and might even be willing to pay in advance. But not right now.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 14, 2014 21:12:29 GMT -5
None of us are suggesting that you didn't know you could use your items. You're suggesting that. You said you had no powers, and then you used a power. man than it is a pretty fine hair to split. and i guess its semantical but i don't really see how equipping an item equates with using a power. for all i know he's been wandering about about with the stuff on the whole game. now if all of a sudden a meteor comes and strikes you dead and he goes whoops i would reconsider.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 14, 2014 21:19:20 GMT -5
Mahaloth, I don't think you quite precisely grasped the nature of my counteroffer... But I'll take that as acceptance, and will hold up my end of the deal. As for that other matter you mentioned, if all goes well I'll take you up on that at a later time, and might even be willing to pay in advance. But not right now. Ok. After the game, we can have a clearer chat on the confusion. Certainly you must feel the deal was worthwhile as I processed it.
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Post by swammerdami on Jul 14, 2014 21:35:33 GMT -5
I think Colby's vote of guiri is bad, but not Scumly. But one player seems to have a different style than their usual Townie self:
Vote: Meeko
Answering chronner's question: My offer of alliance with Town is sincere. I gave a soapstone last Night to someone I believe to be Town. No quid pro quo is expected for that, except perhaps a word of support when I come under Lynch pressure toDay, as I probably will if I indulge in any slight attempt at silly humor. I may be Killed toNight, and, rather than getting more Souls, may just give the ones I have away so Scum doesn't get them.
On that note, despite my personal mortality, my single-player Covenant is Unkillable. The player I designate in my Last Will and Testament will pick up the flag when I fall! Anyone who is dissatisfied with their present Covenant, wants exciting and awesome Powers, and a win-con with no enemies, please PM me. One thing's for sure: any recruit will not play for my Covenant as badly as I have.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 14, 2014 23:53:17 GMT -5
While that does sound like the sort of twist Storyteller might put into a game... I have to wonder. If your covenant is unkillable and has no enemies, why wouldn't you just post what it is openly?
I also have to point out that your covenant can't be completely unkillable. We have Word of Mod that recruitment is voluntary, which means that it's possible that your designated heir would choose not to accept your covenant.
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Post by MentalGuy on Jul 15, 2014 0:09:14 GMT -5
Guiri expressed annoyance at Mahaloth. I think if he was his competitor he would not attract attention to himself like that. I also doubt he is scum. They would seem to have the best opportunity to make use of Mahaloth's services. I don't really see scumminess in his statement of items/powers. While the game setup did say items were what allowed powers, it would not be unusual for someone to think in their usual terms and separate the two.
I really don't like Colby11's vote on Guiri. I don't get why he thinks being scum would make a difference on the knowledge of items/powers. It looks like an opportunistic vote on someone who was already catching some heat.
Vote: Colby11
That said, I wouldn't really mind lynching either of the other players that already have votes. Meeko is being unusually quiet this game. peeker seems to be trying to act confused, but it seems he would have to understand more than he is letting on.
I have some residual suspicion of Suburban Plankton from Day 1, but he is definitely not my top choice for a lynch right now.
As I rereading the previous days, I noticed that Guiri asked abstain if he could release Swammer from his covenant. When I asked about it, Guiri says he meant Mahaloth instead of Swammer. But we now know that Swammer does actually claim to be in a third-party covenant. So, was it really a mistake, or is there something more going on here.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 15, 2014 0:20:25 GMT -5
It is lynch the lurking poached in meta sauce that a Townie Meeko would be louder. You might be right, but he's had what, one post of actual content? That, I think, is the point. Meeko is not short on posts, he is short on content posts. More revealing, is that Guiri voted for Meeko and all Meeko did was vote back rather calmly. Did you guys want me going off on a tirade for every little thing? I've been told not to worry so much about single votes. And let's be honest, Guiri has been, essentially. Just one vote, that he has some how managed to "Me Too!" And now "Me Three!" Himself on. The entire game is way too calm for me, frankly. I mean, no one is doing anything, and that feeds a downward cycle.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 15, 2014 1:33:50 GMT -5
I think there is some activity, just not in public.
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 15, 2014 6:53:36 GMT -5
Well, I am a little insulted that someone hollowed me last night. But, it is to be expected, since I am being quiet, as usual. This arguement about items and powers is starting to make me suspicious. Guiri should know that items give off power, unless there is something different... Like being scum. Really? The distinction of "armor" vs. "no special powers" seems to be a semantic quibble. I would think of a "special power" as an action of some sort, not an item passively offering protection. Thank you Bufftabby - exactly what I was thinking. I also believe that Mahaloth had revealed that he cannot use sorceries or miracles (the things he's selling) but *can* use items (presumably the things mystery merchant is selling). I would think this works vice versa as well (if I'm understanding it correctly). My point being that there is some kind of distinction for some players between items and powers/abilities. Ultimately it comes down to semantics and is nothing more than a quibble. To use it to justify a vote is reaching.
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 15, 2014 7:14:02 GMT -5
I think there is some activity, just not in public. That's what I'm thinking - I believe I did mention this before but no one seems to be bothering with anything I say in this game. Hence being rated as a "skater". I have been spending much of this game trying to figure out the best course of action - concentrating on how the WotW can utilize the Merchant guild to our advantage. Some of what I was thinking/attempting has not worked out so I have to come up with a new strategy. I have also been thinking that there is so much going on in this game that Scum has about a zillion places to hide and I feel a bit discouraged by this. As for Mahaloth's post about not obtaining the Merchants' inventories on death, this makes it almost pointless for anyone to kill either of them unless offered an exceptional deal by one of them. That said, an exceptional deal may not be all it appears to be. I don't know about any other players, but I can only use one thing per day/night cycle - making a large inventory of re-useable things almost redundant (particularly for a team who is not aware of who their team mates are). Sinjin - I am sending you a gift as a show of good faith since you are confirmed.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 15, 2014 7:17:51 GMT -5
Chameleon, I feel your frustration. There's low participation, there's a lot of out of game stuff going on. It's tough knowing what to do and how to do it when everything is so stagnant. Blech.
I think that's really what's going to come to play Mahaloth and/or the other merchant will wage some items to kill off the other, which will NOT be to towns advantage at all.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 15, 2014 7:26:16 GMT -5
Keep in mind that some players apparently start with pretty crappy items: They'd be more inclined to buy from the merchants. And the only one of Mahaloth's items that's completely re-usable was Emit Force-- All the rest are single-use, consume a soul, or both. Besides which, one really wouldn't expect most people to be making multiple purchases: Most of us start with a single soul, and while souls can change hands in multiple ways, it's a slow process.
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Post by texcat on Jul 15, 2014 8:25:20 GMT -5
Vote totals
Meeko(2): Guiri[45], swammerdami[63] peeker(1): sinjin[23] Guiri(1): Colby[41] Colby(1): MentalGuy[65]
Day will end at 12:30PM Eastern time on Thursday, July 17.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 15, 2014 9:06:38 GMT -5
For those curious, I did ask about my stuff if I am killed. It can't be taken. Here is what story said. Your souls and inventory cannot be raided, stolen, or claimed after your death. Well that's rather convenient. I don't think my thoughts on Guiri would seem strange if participation was ensuing. I voted for him once and nit picked at one of his votes. If other people were saying more I'd be nitpicking them too. So it's okay for you to nit-pick guiri because there is a general lack of participation in the game, but your nit-pick of guiri centers around the fact that Meeko has posted very little content. Mind blown.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 15, 2014 12:05:34 GMT -5
Yeah, sach, convenient and kind of essential for my role. I couldn't be expected to have a fair shot without that provision.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 15, 2014 12:18:32 GMT -5
I dunno; it seems to me your role could have any restrictions or lack thereof and still leave you a fair shot, so long as you and your competitors were working under the same rules.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 15, 2014 12:22:19 GMT -5
For those curious, I did ask about my stuff if I am killed. It can't be taken. Here is what story said. Well that's rather convenient. I don't think my thoughts on Guiri would seem strange if participation was ensuing. I voted for him once and nit picked at one of his votes. If other people were saying more I'd be nitpicking them too. So it's okay for you to nit-pick guiri because there is a general lack of participation in the game, but your nit-pick of guiri centers around the fact that Meeko has posted very little content. Mind blown. I pick at people's posts. It is how I play. You thought I was harping on Guiri but that actually consisted of 2 posts of mine. Hardly harping. That is my point. That a couple of posts in a quiet game seems loud.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 15, 2014 13:10:44 GMT -5
and sach i am sorry if i am too calm for your liking. but because of physical challenges i have become a profit center for all of the drug companies in north america. one week i might not sleep for a couple of days. the next week i might sleep for 40 hours or so straight through. sadly the physical effects are devestating but the effects on the mind are even more troubling. it's why it frustrates me when sin gets irritated with me for apparantly asking the same question multiple times. some things just don't connect the way they used to. if i shouldn't play any more just let me know. i don't want to be a rain cloud on anyone's parade.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 15, 2014 15:03:58 GMT -5
I pick at people's posts. It is how I play. You thought I was harping on Guiri but that actually consisted of 2 posts of mine. Hardly harping. That is my point. That a couple of posts in a quiet game seems loud. I see what you are saying. I would point out, however, that Guiri has already been lynched once -- a lynch that you supported*. Picking at Guiri is of course more significant than a random drive by of someone else such as Meeko (or anyone at this point really). My point is that I didn't understand what led to Guiri's lynch Yesterday and I don't understand the nit-picking I'm seeing today from Cookies. * Timing weirdness ignored
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 15, 2014 15:06:16 GMT -5
and sach i am sorry if i am too calm for your liking. but because of physical challenges i have become a profit center for all of the drug companies in north america. one week i might not sleep for a couple of days. the next week i might sleep for 40 hours or so straight through. sadly the physical effects are devestating but the effects on the mind are even more troubling. it's why it frustrates me when sin gets irritated with me for apparantly asking the same question multiple times. some things just don't connect the way they used to. if i shouldn't play any more just let me know. i don't want to be a rain cloud on anyone's parade. I didn't mean 'I don't like it' in the sense that I'm annoyed; I meant 'I don't like it' in the sense that I believe it is a possible indicator of scum alignment.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 15, 2014 15:38:54 GMT -5
Why Meeko out of all of the other non participants? Meta. A perfectly good nit to pick. Guiri got a vote from me for what I consider to be an unwise and possibly malicious perspective on Mahaloth, who from what I can tell is a stellar fellow with fair prices.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 15, 2014 16:07:19 GMT -5
understood sach. i just wanted it to be clear that sometimes rl influes playstyle just as much as alignment. additionally, since i don't drink any more you may get less posts that are more lucid than the stuff you are accustomed to. i mean i am trying to keep the volume up a bit so i don't let story down and at least give folks something to talk about.
i'll get a vote down later tonight.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 15, 2014 16:10:56 GMT -5
and just so it's on the record i would vote for chronos if not for his claim and in the absence of a counter claim. i mean differentiating between an item and a power seems pretty thin sauce.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 15, 2014 16:26:30 GMT -5
my single-player Covenant is Unkillable <snipped> i am pretty sure i will get jumped for this but you are the sole member of a convent that is unkillable doesn't that kind of make you unkillable?
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 15, 2014 17:40:03 GMT -5
i know this may come across as lazy but it is D3 and we only have 3 pages of posts with 20+ players. that's kind of sad. i mean we always circle around to this at some point, typically when the poor game has ground to a virtual standstill. i'd rather throw out some more rope. see what Night does or does not bring and start getting rid of the durn deadwood even though it might take multiple lynches or whacks or whatevers.
vote patricia
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 15, 2014 17:55:06 GMT -5
and just so it's on the record i would vote for chronos if not for his claim and in the absence of a counter claim. i mean differentiating between an item and a power seems pretty thin sauce. Setting aside the whole claimed mason thing which obviously makes Chronos a poor choice for an early lynch (do you hear me buff tabby ) why would Chronos's discussion of guiri's claim of no power make you want to lynch him? I'm seeing a whole lot of 'I disagree with you therefore I'm going to vote for you' going on in this game. I'm very much against such thinking. For the record, I both understand Chronos's point and don't care. Guiri certainly looks like he's dancing on a lie/truth line. But even if guiri outright lied and knew perfectly well that he had and item and could use it as a power, why would that be an indicator of scum? The lie is nothing that hurts town or can be tied to an attempt to wiggle out of trouble. The lie is 'hey look at me, I'm powerless…. PSYCHE.' I don't see a problem there.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 15, 2014 18:04:39 GMT -5
I don't want to vote the claimed mason either. I think that's poor form.
In the lurker pool...
I have a meta scum feel on Chameleon. And I have a meta scum feel on Patricia as well.
I can go either way on both of them. I don't have any real reasons on either of them, they just feel scum to me. Patricia usually clams up ridiculously when scum.
As for Meeko, he's been playing an anti-town game for the last year or more ever since his big "I caught Pleo" game like a year ago, he's been quiet and subdued, and I don't know what to think of it.
We need more people playing here, badly. There's literally nothing to comment on, and we're in the middle of a town on town fight here.
So I'll poke the dragon with Peekers...
Vote: Patricia
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Post by Chronos on Jul 15, 2014 18:18:50 GMT -5
We are? To be honest, I don't really see a "fight" here at all, mostly just a bunch of aimless muddling about. And even if we do have a fight going, I don't know that it's town on town.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 15, 2014 18:38:39 GMT -5
but sach say i get up in the morning and put on my tunic (or whatever) that doesn't mean i am employing a power. maybe i just want to wander about all nekkid and stuff. the fact that a big old nasty bee stings my tunic rather than my arse doesn't really mean that i employed a power.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 15, 2014 18:41:48 GMT -5
neta: maybe i don't want to wander about all nekkid and stuff
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