Night Six

[storyteller0910]

To the residents of New Canaan, the day seemed to have gone on much longer than any of them had expected. It was, like all the days before it, an odd day in other ways. Many of the colony's residents had heard of like events in other towns, and in many of the past cases the victims of this style of frontier justice had gone to their deaths kicking and screaming, claiming useful abilities, or protesting in real or manufactured anger. But like so many already had, episodeofblonde took her seat in the Town Hall electric chair with little fanfare and no argument. Indeed, even your humble Narrator was as puzzled by her silence as he had been by the silence of those who had gone before.

By now, the Coroner had learned to do his work quickly and without wasted action; his verdict was ready within fifteen minutes of the end of episodeofblonde's life.


episodeofblonde, a Rogue Replicant (Commando Model), makes it two scum lynches in a row

The Commando Model, the colonists learned, was particularly adept at self-defense; it had the power to make itself particularly hard to kill at Night, and could sense it if any clever investigator had recognized its true nature.

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Night Six begins now, and will end at 5:00PM on Wednesday, January 2 (Night extended to allot for New Year debauchery on the part of the Governor, of course), unless Night actions have all been received before that time. Have fun!

[CatInASuit]

Excellent, another one bites the dust. ;D

Drinks are on the Guv'nor.

[Death By Irony]

- Claims -
*sinjin: variant Detective (investigated Colonists have a 50% chance of peeing blue)
*atarus: Mason
*pygmy rugger: Colonist (claims blue pee)
*Captain Klutz: back-up variant Detective (would have received Hockey Monkey's results, if she had any)
*Roosh: back-up variant Doctor (has a variable percentage of protection, depending on the # of Replicants remaining)
*diggitcamara: Mason

[CatInASuit]

<oog>

episodeofblonde - Well played and congratulations on playing in this game of Mafia.

Don't be disheartened, you played well given it was first time and I look forward to crossing wits with you again in future games.

</oog>

[Death By Irony]

Thought of some more stuff:
*parzival claims something happened to him on Night Five (I think; please correct me if I'm mistaken)
*Roosh claims a ticking device on his leg
*atarus, do you confirm that diggitcamara is a fellow Mason?

[Santo Rugger]

Atarus and diggit, I would very much appreciate a confirmation on the actual number of masons, in case both of you die tonight.

Roosh and dotchan, remember that blue pee doesn't make one a colonist, but makes one a -human-. I'm starting to worry that there have been enough people zapped that a false blue claim has a certain probability of success. Especially since kassia appeared to have a separate win condition, I'm wondering how many more of them there are. My guess is that there were three to start with, so there are two left. And two Replicants left. My hope is that as long as there are more Colonists than... what kassia was, the victory will be a shared one when the Colonists die.

[Parzival]

Hurrah for catching scum! Hope you had fun, eob.

Death by Irony, my visitor was on Night 4 (I received the PM morning of Day 5). Also, it was Kat (1.0) who was the Neuromancer, not Hockey Monkey.

Roosh, even Pleo's determination was whether someone was human or replicant, which is all we'd know about Santo Rugger from either him or the blue pee fairy. And as much as I'd like to have a 'clean' town win, we shoud concentrate on taking out (rogue) replicants primarily.

[Captain Klutz]

Well, I was wrong about episodeofblonde's ability, so I'll chalk that up as a miss. This was my thinking to arrive at that conclusion:

Last Night we had 3 kills. Kassia was killed by scum (the death scene says that she was killed by tragic). So who killed Cookies? Perhaps a third-party speculator, but more likely to have been scum. So last Night the scum had 2 kills. This extra kill is likely a one shot ability, so why use it now? Well, it would make sense if it is episodeofblonde's ability because she is looking likely to be lynched soon (she was only saved yesterDay by virtue of being absent). And of the various Replicant types that CIAS2 suggested in Day 6.88, the combat model was the best fit to that ability. Hence my guess.

Although since that was not episodeofblonde's ability, that whole chain of reasoning fails. Damn!

[Captain Klutz]

Day 6.101 Rugger

Klutz

Rugger, I explained why I thought that in post #91 above. Were you unhappy with that explanation? I mean, that was exactly my thinking to arrive at that conclusion. It's all part of trying to figure out the setup and what we are up against.
<snip>

Yes, I am unhappy with that explanation. First, it's written in the past tense, which means you composed it now to explain something that happened in the past. It sounds to me like your reread of zuma's post didn't happen until after diggit's claim. But your "idle speculation" happened before. It seems like if you had "figured out" the unstoppable kill, that post would have pinged you hard enough to post it when you originally thought it. Maybe because it's because I can't sleep, but the timeline just seems shakey to me.

It's written the way it is because I wrote it during Day 4. I decided against posting it then because it was a very subtle detail and my previous attempt to raise a subtle point (that kassia had a Night action) was not very well received (although it now seems I was right about that).

The timeline is exactly as I said: during Day 4, NAF's demise made me think that scum had an unstoppable kill. When I reread zuma.v2's post that subtle point pinged me and so I wrote it down but decided against posting it. During Night 4 I presented my conclusion as a bit of "idle speculation" in an attempt to stir up some discussion. When Diggit revealed the "assassin" mode, I sought clarification and then decided it was worth posting.

[Pollux Oil]

Drive-by confirmation: Yup, diggit's a fellow mason.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yay for episodeofblonde being scum and being lynched. I've got my hairy eyeball on zuma still!

More informative post later...New Year's party company sorta early!

[sinjin]

Yeah!!!!!

Off to the Tiki bar to celebrate.

[Death By Irony]

Updated and corrected claims/events of note:

- Claims -
*sinjin: variant Detective (investigated Colonists have a 50% chance of peeing blue)
*atarus: Mason
*pygmy rugger: Colonist (claims blue pee)
*Captain Klutz: back-up variant Detective (would have received Kat v1's results, if she had any)
*Roosh: back-up variant Doctor (has a variable percentage of protection, depending on the # of Replicants remaining)
*diggitcamara: Mason (confirmed by atarus)

- Other -
*parzival claims something happened to him on Night Four
*Roosh claims a ticking device on his leg

[RoOsh]

parzival said:

And as much as I'd like to have a 'clean' town win, we shoud concentrate on taking out (rogue) replicants primarily.

Agreed.

And uh. Dotchan... the device isn't ticking. It's blinking. But uh... yeah thanks for the reminder.
But at least my analysis and suspicious of EOB were sound. Well played though for a newbie, I def. think you should play again!
Yar! Another replicant dead Happy New Years All (_{except for you scummy replicants of course! May Y2K come 8 years later and strike you all down!})

Anyways, Peace out yo!

[RoOsh]

I'll do the voting chart in a few Days, as I'm kinda busy today/tomorrow....

But if no one does it, I'll do it- but not for the next Day or So, I've just got more important life things I gotta do first.

[Santo Rugger]

Everybody: Am I going crazy, or does the tone of Captain Klutz's post #91 feel like it was written, in fact, Yesterday, and not on Day 4?

If so, it looks like an obvious attempt to backpedal. If not, then I'll drop it for a couple Days.

[CatInASuit]

pygmyrugger said:

Everybody: Am I going crazy, or does the tone of Captain Klutz's post #91 feel like it was written, in fact, Yesterday, and not on Day 4?

If so, it looks like an obvious attempt to backpedal. If not, then I'll drop it for a couple Days.

The problem is that when I read zuma v 2.0's post, I thought I knew what he meant. He was asking the question as to why the Doctor was unable to or did not want to protect NAF1138. Considering the heat he had generated, it was not totally surprising that NAF1138 might not have been protected by the Medic or even by the Backup Medic

Seems like Captain Klutz has an answer for everything.

Santo Rugger: Can you find any other instances where it seems that Captain Klutz has worked it out in advance of the town or just seems to know too much.

[Santo Rugger]

He sure does [have an answer for everything]. He's a sharp tack, and that's why I'm so paranoid.

I'm wondering if he's just trying to steer suspicion directed at him towards zuma. I'll filter through the last few Days on Wednesday. I'm pretty sure I won't be in any shape to do anything until then, anyway.

Cougars, here I come!!!

[diggitcamara]

dotchan said:

Updated and corrected claims/events of note:

- Claims -
*sinjin: variant Detective (investigated Colonists have a 50% chance of peeing blue)
*atarus: Mason
*pygmy rugger: Colonist (claims blue pee)
*Captain Klutz: back-up variant Detective (would have received Kat v1's results, if she had any)
*Roosh: back-up variant Doctor (has a variable percentage of protection, depending on the # of Replicants remaining)
*diggitcamara: Mason (confirmed by atarus)

- Other -
*parzival claims something happened to him on Night Four
*Roosh claims a ticking device on his leg

ummm... just to clear it up: atarus is confirmed by me as well. ;D

[diggitcamara]

Happy New Year, everybody! (and... I'm off)

[sinjin]

[glow=red,2,300]HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL.[/glow]

[CatInASuit]

Happy New Year to all.

Make it a good one.

[CatInASuit]

Day 1 Votes

zuma (6) - Cookies, Kat, Tragic, zeriel, Death by Irony, sinjin
Pleonast (5) - kassia, Santo Rugger, diggitcamara, Roosh, Diomedes
CatinaSuit (4) - NAF1138, drainbead, hockey monkey, episodeofblonde
zeriel (3) - CatinaSuit, Captain Klutz, mhaye
Kat (2) - Pleonast, Parzival
NAF1138 (1) - CIAS v2.0
mhaye (1) - atarus
kassia (1) - zuma

DNV: Kat v2.0, zuma 2.0

Day 2 Votes

Diomedes (9) - atarus, drainbead, Parzival, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, kassia,Tragic, episodeofblonde, DeathbyIrony, diomedes
Pleonast (6) - Santo Rugger, diggitcamara, sinjin, Roosh, zuma 2.0, Diomedes
kassia (2) - NAF1138, Pleonast
Death by Irony (1) - Captain Klutz
Zeriel (1) - mhaye

Day 3 Votes

Pleonast (10) - zuma v. 2.0, sinjin, Roosh, Santo Rugger, drainbead, CatinaSuit v. 2.0, kassia, Kat v2.0, Captain Klutz, diggitcamara
Death by Irony (2) - atarus, CometotheDarksideWeHaveCookies
sinjin (2) - Zeriel, NAF1138
Zeriel (2) - Parzival, Tragic
Roosh (2) - episodeofblonde, Death by Irony
kassia (1) - Pleonast


Day 4 Votes
zeriel (7) - sinjin, Roosh, atarus, Parzival, Santo Rugger, kassia, Captain Klutz
drainbead (3) - CatinaSuit v. 2.0, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Death by Irony
kassia (2) - drainbead, Tragic
Captain Klutz (2) - episodeofblonde, Kat v. 2.0
Roosh (1) - zuma v. 2.0
sinjin (1) - zeriel

Day 5 Votes
drainbead (6) - DeathbyIrony, atarus, CatinaSuit v. 2.0, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Tragic, Santo Rugger
CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (3) - Parzival, Captain Klutz, Roosh
Tragic (2) - diggitcamara, drainbead
Captain Klutz (1) - episodeofblonde
Parzival (1) - kassia

Day 6 Votes
episodeofblonde (6) - Roosh, Captain Klutz, diggitcamara, sinjin, Santo Rugger, Parzival
Roosh (3) - CatinaSuit v. 2.0, zuma v. 2.0, episodeofblonde
zuma v. 2.0 (1) - atarus
CatinaSuit v. 2.0 (1) - Death by Irony

scum
Semi Confirmed Town
Confirmed Town

[CatInASuit]

Suspects
Captain Klutz - Code Runner ??
Death by Irony
Kat v. 2.0
Parzival
Roosh - Combat Medic ??
zuma v. 2.0

Semi-Confirmed Town
atarus - Mason
diggitcamara - Mason
Santo Rugger - Colonist
sinjin - Chemist

Definitely Town
CatinaSuit v. 2.0

Missing Roles
2?? Speculators
1?? Mason
2?? Scum

No - I don't know how may of these roles there are, I'm guessing.

My guess is that the Speculators are going to be an anti-town group like the Masons but with their own extra win condition probably depeneding on their interactions with the Replicants.

[Captain Klutz]

Day 6.72 CIAS2

Actions of the speculator: I would guess sensing a profit (hence the name) they are looking to control the Rogue replicants (from the colour). This is amusing because it means the Rogue Replicants can probably lose not from being lynched but by being totally controlled by the Speculator(s), if any remain.
The downside is that is probably a town loss as well.

This is a plausible win condition for the Speculator(s). Thinking about it, I've put together what looks like a reasonable way for this faction to operate:

1. There are 2 or 3 Third-Party Speculators. They have their own board for Night discussion.
2. Each Night they select one player to attempt to "control". If the player is a rogue replicant then the Speculators are informed that the attempt was successful.
3. Speculators win when all remaining rogue replicants are "controlled". This is a loss for both Scum and Colony.

Day 6.93 storyteller

Tragic, the Laborer, had no active powers. She did have the passive ability to detect if anything was removed or added to her person at any time.

The "detect if anything was removed or added" makes sense if controlling is done by attaching something to the Replicant (it would probably include Sinjin's pee shooter as well). This also suggests a reason for the targeting of kassia: Night 4, Tragic is successfully controlled. On Night 5 she tells her fellow scum that kassia has attached something to her, so they take out kassia that Night.


Also, Day 6.93 storyteller

On the subject of "Wedlock Bracelets - " you have, to date, seen no such device on the bodies of any of the dead. This does not mean that they were or were not present, simply that you didn't collectively observe them if they were.

This looks like a lot of hedging for something that was highly theoretical. It makes me think that some similar sort of device does exist in the game.



Until now, I hadn't been too concerned with the third faction, as I had assumed that their win was orthogonal to my own. I just wanted all rogue replicants dead, if the third faction joined in the win I didn't care. But, as CIAS2 pointed out, it's likely that a third party win is a Colony loss, so we can't just ignore them.


Now, Speculators would be happy to lynch scum, but not those that they have controlled. If they had controlled drainbead then they would know that she was scum and would be anxious to keep her alive.


Which is my fairly long winded way of saying that I think that Roosh is not scum, but is actually a Third Party Speculator. It's not just his actions relating to drainbead, it is also his claim. He is saying that he is a partial Doctor and is going to be dead in 2 Nights, so it looks reasonable to let him live until then. But he is basically saying "let me live for 2 more Nights". It looks like he is hoping that 2 more Nights will be enough to control the remaining scum (there are probably 2 scum left. And if he controls one and we lynch the other, then the Speculators win).

As for his claim to know the number of Replicants, that is reasonable regardless of his alignment:
1. If he is Colony then he is being truthful with his claim.
2. If he is scum then of course he knows how many are left.
3. If he is a Speculator then it would make sense for them to know how many scum there are, so they can guage how close they are to victory.


My first post Tomorrow will be a vote for Roosh.



There is another possibilty that I will mention: that kassia, sinjin and Rugger are the Speculators and they concocted the blue pee as a way to "prove" they were Colony. That would be a pretty gutsy and imaginative play, but I think it's unlikely because of what storyteller said in the Day 6 dawn post regarding kassia: "Her humanity had been all but confirmed..."

I don't think he would have said that if the blue pee was a complete fabrication. It actually looks like confirmation that the blue pee is genuine and therefore sinjin is a Colonist and Rugger is not a replicant.

[RoOsh]

captainklutz said:

It's not just his actions relating to drainbead, it is also his claim. He is saying that he is a partial Doctor and is going to be dead in 2 Nights, so it looks reasonable to let him live until then.

-Where did I say the "let me live for 2 nights" thing???
-And "actions related to Drainbead"?
--May I ask what those "actions" were? Are you also bringing up the same stuff that CAIS has been going at me with? Or do you have a different idea?


I haven't claimed anything other than being a partial Doctor so far, and your attributions to me are just untrue and misleading because I didn't see myself making those claims, so why in the world are you SAYING I made such claims....

I for one actually believe you, Klutz ,mostly for your Day 1 actions and disregarding some of your behaviors in the last few Days. I think you've behaved scummy, but I cannot figure out a way that your Day 1 actions/Message could be anything but Townie so early at least. It would be the one point I would say to his detractors- How do you account for that one issue, CAIS and Gov. Rugger?

--As for your Speculator Speculation, I currently think that we should focus in on eliminating the Replicant threat, because right now, I think they are the killing threat. The things that decrease the number of Real Towns people is the thing that should be the focus of our attention. Unless we're worried about the fact that killing off replicants is beneficial to speculators as they'd have to control less of them to win.
I CANNOT see that as a viable win condition really, because that's just TOO Bastardly (to create a Win condition that can Piggyback on the town's win condition to the point of where a town simply CANNOT win because if they attempt to fulfill their win condition they
will fulfill another group's win condition).

I think if there are other Speculators they most likely have a survivor type of role and must try to make it to the endgame. We DO know however of the win conditions of the Scum group, and THAT I think should be our focus- "Do NOT let the Scum out number the Town".
Right now I'm worried that we may be getting distracted here, and I think we should just try to focus on eliminating the Replicants rather than worrying about 3rd party groups that we MAY or May not be sure of existing. I am currently very optimistic about our chances to win, and I don't think we should get distracted.

-As for my thoughts on # of Replicants:
I told you my PM, and I told you how I arrived at my thoughts. You were free to look at that and come up with your own guesses.
I currently think we're looking at 3 or less replicants, and I think we have a good chance of just outnumbering the scum just from the basis of role claims and known roles if we play smart and don't get sidetracked here.
Right now in my book if you're human you can live another Day, so Sinjin and the Rugger are cool in my book, and I hope we get some more Blue Pee-rs to join them hopefully in the upcoming Days.
~~~~~~~~~
--And thank you CAIS for getting around to the Vote Counts.
Though I usually add who Didn't Vote to the end of the Days as well:

Day 2:DNV: Hal Briston(CatinaSuit2.0), Yattara (Kat2.0) Zeriel
Day 3: All 19 of 19 voted
Day 4:DNV: DiggitCamera
Day 5:DNV: Zuma2, Sinjin, Katv2.0
Day 6:DNV: Katv2.0 (if your chart is right)

[Captain Klutz]

-Where did I say the "let me live for 2 nights" thing???
-And "actions related to Drainbead"?

You said you were going to be killed at the end of Day 7. That would be 2 Nights hence, so it looks reasonable to let you live until then and, if you are still alive, to re-evaluate your claim. So yes, it does sound like "let me live for 2 more Nights".

And your actions relating to drainbead are the ones that CIAS2 raised. I've seen your explanations and I'm not satisfied. You even agreed (in Day 6.94) that it was a legit reason.

I could certainly be wrong about the Speculator's win condition. As I said, I haven't been concerned about them until now. Finding that they are trying to "control" the replicants (rather than just kill them) makes me think that yes, they can steal a win from the Colony by controlling the last remaining rogue replicant.

I am open to alternative suggestions for the Speculator's win condition. Your suggestion, that they win by being alive at the end, looks too simplistic and doesn't give any rhyme or reason for their action in "controlling" replicants. And there probably is another Speculator out there, as kassia's method/equipment for controlling replicants was not found.

[CatInASuit]

Ok,

So that was an interesting piece of analysis. Let's not kill the rogue replicants, lets try and take out a Speculator instead. Here is a point for note, we don't know that multiple Speculators exist, but we do know that other rogue replicants exist. I would agree that it is likely, but it is not guaranteed.

If there are other Speculator's, then I would guess that their Win condition is more likely to be:

When the number of Speculators and controlled Replicants is greater than the remaining population, the Speculator's win.

And Roosh, stop assuming that because someone knows a town role up front they HAVE to be town.

Here is a scenario, as the Nexus-9, Captain Klutz gets one piece of advance information on a single town member. He strikes lucky and gets Kat, (the Neuromancer). His comments in the Day 1 thread commenting on a scum investigator who has to leave clues in the open without talking to the scum, gets them looking through his posts. They find it and take out Kat on Night 1.

Later Captain Klutz claims as the Neuromancer backup for her investigations without realising that she only gets a couple of Night investigations to pass on.

Frankly, it's about as valid as his claim is.

~~~~~

Roosh - no probs with the vote count. I took the details from Storytellers's vote count. Will try and remember the DNV next time.

[CatInASuit]

Just another dumb clarification question for storyteller.

Have any of the Rogue replicants killed so far been of the Nexus-9 variety

[zuma]

Oy.

I watched Blade Runner last night, and I can't believe I waited 25 years to watch a boring mess of a movie.

It was on my list of great films I've never seen, and while it was kind of technically good by 1982 standards, I can only take so much of failed noir, rain-soaked futuristic LA, self-important dreck.

Next up is Bogart in Casablanca. I don't think I'll be as disappointed.

Sorry to dis Blade Runner, but really.

[zuma]

Also, sorry for being away during the holidays. Back to work and all today. I find it interesting that nobody brought up the fact I have a serial killer avatar. I'm not a serial killer, of course.