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Jun 5, 2008 11:55:11 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2008 11:55:11 GMT -5
Unless some players lose an ability to vote based on the actions they perform at night........ We know of one person with such a restriction ( SDM). If you're trying to hint that you are also not able to vote toDay, that's fine, I'm willing to believe it. What about the other 18 players that aren't voting? --FCOD
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 12:00:19 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 5, 2008 12:00:19 GMT -5
Unless some players lose an ability to vote based on the actions they perform at night........ This game is gonna make my head asplodie.
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Jun 5, 2008 12:04:16 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Jun 5, 2008 12:04:16 GMT -5
Unless some players lose an ability to vote based on the actions they perform at night........ This game is gonna make my head asplodie. Sorry for being cryptic but I was up all Night chanting and what not, I'm too tired to think straight enough to vote Today. No need for head asplodin'
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Jun 5, 2008 12:08:42 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2008 12:08:42 GMT -5
No need for head asplodin' No, I think a little head asplodin' is perfectly appropriate for this game. --FCOD
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Jun 5, 2008 12:40:25 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Jun 5, 2008 12:40:25 GMT -5
Alrighty then. The comments on me straight away before I head off into my re-read... tdpat: another "Why?" situation. If anything the surface of your "Well last time I was scum..." argument actually feels more like an accidental scum confession than a defense. Yeah, I accidentally wrote a small but not insignificant paragraph that happened to, in some way, directly answer something story said. I then tacked on an accidental smilie. Since I said it about myself, it's WIFOM. If I said it about someone else, then it's metagaming. Right? I don't have any spectacular reason for the vote, just that I currently find him the most suspicious and I firmly believe on voting before the end of the Day. Here are my reasons for finding him suspicious: Like storyteller suggested, of the 6 voters on the Buffwagon, I have to believe that at least one is scum. Eliminating myself, Hal, and KidVermicious, that leaves tdpats, storyteller, and Survivor Smurf. Now, tdpats was the last one to vote for hockeyguy, at a point when it was obvious he was going to be the lynch victim. This is something scum would do. Finally, his suggestions that he is not playing scum like he did in the last game lends further to my suspicions. I want to sincerely thank you for going to the increasingly rare effort of explaining yourself. Now then. * If my vote on the buffwagon is scummy, how do you explain its early, pre- Kat placement? * If it's because of my HG vote, do you have any response to the reasons I said I voted for him?
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Jun 5, 2008 12:58:44 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 5, 2008 12:58:44 GMT -5
Your right. Fuck it, I am going back to my vote from yesterDay. Vote MisterblockyI just did a reread of his posts and he has yet to actually say anything. He is one of the people posting, and that, unfortunatly, makes him a bigger target than any of the people not posting, but what he is posting is a lot of options with no concise answers. He feels very slippery to me. I don't see anything meaningfull in the lynch numbers from yesterDay yet, but maybe someone else will. What exactly do you want from me. Seriously I don't like that vote, not just because it's on me, but if I separate myself from it I just really don't see the reasoning there. As far as opinions without answers go, I don't have any answers, do you? It's day two for goodness sake. I voted earlier on the Hockeyguy list. I know this is somewhat WIFOM, but I'd argue that my vote was early enough it was part of inciting the final landslide, rather than just coming along for the ride. Also: Ryjae, are you going to tell us if you multiple powers have limited uses or not. If you prefer not to I understand, but often (especially in a methodically balanced game) you can get a feel for what the scum can do by how strong a town role is. Finally: this is my first large amount of time off so I'm looking at who to vote for, and a lot of thinking on the night kills and day one voting, and I ended up coming back to FCOD. The town is in general agreement that killing Hal was bad for the town, correct? Hockeyguy at the very least, appeared to be trying to spread confusion about Hal's role. (I really have limited time at the moment, but I assume everyone knows Kat's famous but controversial evidence, which I happen to believe.) Lynching Hal was advocated by two people prior to most information being discovered, myself and FCOD. I know personally that I just didn't get the gist of the situation until Darth confirmed that he had the exact same condition, which then made me feel a lynch was no longer likely to be in the towns best interest. As soon as I felt that the mobile possession mechanic was the most likely form of D2mon I backed off, as a kill in that case is just a bad town move. FCOD not only didn't back off when the situation was made fairly clear, but he was also advocating anti- Hal action while seeming to be operating under the current view of D2mons from the very beginning. As evidenced here.I'm of the opinion that D1mons, at least during day one, didn't know exactly how D2mons worked, or Hockeyguy would probably have been less likely to slip like kat and several other's percieved. Where does that leave us. FCOD thought that upon Hal's death, an anti town entity would take over a town entity. FCOD still wanted Hal dead. Hal died last night. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but Vote FCOD
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 13:02:25 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2008 13:02:25 GMT -5
I want to sincerely thank you for going to the increasingly rare effort of explaining yourself. Now then. * If my vote on the buffwagon is scummy, how do you explain its early, pre- Kat placement? * If it's because of my HG vote, do you have any response to the reasons I said I voted for him? I didn't say your buffwagon vote was scummy. I'm looked at the voters on the buffwagon because I'm guessing that at least one of them is a scum. When I remove myself and the deceased there are three players to choose from. Of those three, you're the one that pinged me the most. The reason you pinged me the most was because you voted for hockeyguy so late. It doesn't really matter what your claimed reasons for voting for hockeyguy are, because if you are indeed scum, you could have thought of any number of reasons for which to vote for him at that late hour. Again, I'm not sure by any means that you're scum. To me, you are the most suspicious person at the current time, and I have to vote for someone, so you're it. --FCOD
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Jun 5, 2008 13:07:00 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Jun 5, 2008 13:07:00 GMT -5
Yes I have limited uses of each power, and almost all have a bad/good. As referenced by my unease on the KidV situation. I guess think of it as a utility belt situation. With the knowledge that for every X I do, Y can also result.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 13:08:15 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 5, 2008 13:08:15 GMT -5
Your right. Fuck it, I am going back to my vote from yesterDay. Vote MisterblockyI just did a reread of his posts and he has yet to actually say anything. He is one of the people posting, and that, unfortunatly, makes him a bigger target than any of the people not posting, but what he is posting is a lot of options with no concise answers. He feels very slippery to me. I don't see anything meaningfull in the lynch numbers from yesterDay yet, but maybe someone else will. What exactly do you want from me. Basically just what you did. I have been trying to get a read on you up until this point and have been feeling like you have been playing the game in a "read free" way. Also, I haven't really been in the mix with anyone and I needed to knock my own self out of my stupor and jump back into the mafia pool. There is too much information and not enough answers for me to deal with. So I am going back to old reliable, poking people I can't read with sticks. Consider yourself poked. unvote misterblocky
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Jun 5, 2008 13:11:06 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 5, 2008 13:11:06 GMT -5
Next up
vote hawk
the more I read the goings on so far the more I think that list was scummy, couple that with below the radar post levels both toDay and yesterDay and you have got my vote.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 13:12:19 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Jun 5, 2008 13:12:19 GMT -5
Fair enough, FCOD.
misterblockey if you think FCOD is scum, does that mean you believe his vote on HG was a justifiable risk?
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 13:15:55 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 5, 2008 13:15:55 GMT -5
All hail subs! Molefan1981 has replaced Tragic. Let's give him a round of applause.
Oh and while I'm here.
Vote Count Stardragonman (5): Penalty Votes TDpatriots (2): Nanook, FlyingCowofDoom Blaster Master (1): hockeymonkey hawkeyeop (1): NAF1138 FlyingCowofDoom (1): misterblockey
Not Voting: 16 Unable to Vote: 1 (stardragonman)
*shakes fist at NAF*
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 13:18:49 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2008 13:18:49 GMT -5
Glad to see a vote, although I'm getting quite sick of people mis-characterizing my actions from yesterDay. Finally: this is my first large amount of time off so I'm looking at who to vote for, and a lot of thinking on the night kills and day one voting, and I ended up coming back to FCOD. The town is in general agreement that killing Hal was bad for the town, correct? Does the town agree that killing a town aligned player was bad? I hope so. Hockeyguy at the very least, appeared to be trying to spread confusion about Hal's role. (I really have limited time at the moment, but I assume everyone knows Kat's famous but controversial evidence, which I happen to believe.) Lynching Hal was advocated by two people prior to most information being discovered, myself and FCOD. I know personally that I just didn't get the gist of the situation until Darth confirmed that he had the exact same condition, which then made me feel a lynch was no longer likely to be in the towns best interest. As soon as I felt that the mobile possession mechanic was the most likely form of D2mon I backed off, as a kill in that case is just a bad town move. FCOD not only didn't back off when the situation was made fairly clear, but he was also advocating anti- Hal action while seeming to be operating under the current view of D2mons from the very beginning. As evidenced here. I did NOT advocate anti- Hal action EVER. I voted for him because of all the people I felt he was the most suspicious. I never tried to get other people to vote for him, I simply put my vote where I felt it belonged. Also, I think I was the one that brought up the idea that the d2mons were a game mechanic and not a role, so bringing that up now makes you sound like you're looking really hard for points against me. YesterDay, I discussed at length the possibility that Hal was telling the truth and d2mons were a game mechanic, and the consequences of lynching a possessed townie. I'm of the opinion that D1mons, at least during day one, didn't know exactly how D2mons worked, or Hockeyguy would probably have been less likely to slip like kat and several other's percieved. Where does that leave us. FCOD thought that upon Hal's death, an anti town entity would take over a town entity. No, I thought that Hal was lying about his possession because I didn't think the possession game mechanic would be so weak as to allow him to reveal the fact that he was possessed so easily. Again, this point was BEATEN TO DEATH yesterDay. I put forth the possibility that Hal was telling the truth and that the d2mon would move to another townie. I also said that it wouldn't be that big of a deal for the town if the newly-possessed townie could simply talk about his/her feet hurting to get an exorcism. Don't make my actions out to be more than they were, please. FCOD still wanted Hal dead. Yes, for a time I felt he was the best candidate for a lnch. When someone else pinged me more, I changed my vote. Hal died last night. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but Vote FCOD Vote for me if you want, but don't bring up arguments against me that I myself discussed at great length yesterDay. You really have nothing on me. I'd also like to point out that if I was scum, I'd know that Hal wasn't, and my whole argument would have been contrived. I'd also know that if Hal's alignment were to be discovered, I would look extremely bad. Does that really sound like scum behavior? Not only that, but I was probably the pivotal vote to change the lynch target from buff to the frickin' DEMON LORD. Can you explain that? --FCOD
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Jun 5, 2008 13:37:59 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jun 5, 2008 13:37:59 GMT -5
Sorry for being cryptic but I was up all Night chanting and what not, I'm too tired to think straight enough to vote Today. No need for head asplodin' Unable to Vote: 1 (stardragonman) Ya know, the more time passes the more I think Ryjae is full of it. Everytime he posts he suddenly develops a new power. Let's look over it. On Day 1, when he was talking about his role name he didn't originally give a name for his role. Then later he stated that he was a Guardian, and that the Demon Hunter does the holy water sprinkling. (Post 219, page 8) At the beginning of Today, he stated that he sprinkled HW on Hal as a dusk action, and later he stated that his role name was Demonolgist. He also claimed to have a whole bunch of powers that he could use. This later morphed into a bunch of one off powers. Finally the clicnher is the quoted bits up above. He claims that he Cannot vote. But the mod comes in and states who specifically cannot vote, and Ryjae isn't on that list. At this point, I'm pretty much convinced that Ryjae is lying. I'm not sure that he's a Demon though. I have a feeling he's more of a SK type role. Be that as it may, I feel like this is a stronger case than the one against TD, so I'm going to switch. Unvote tdpats Vote Ryjae
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 13:40:26 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 5, 2008 13:40:26 GMT -5
Fair enough, FCOD. misterblockey if you think FCOD is scum, does that mean you believe his vote on HG was a justifiable risk? I'm going to answer this question rather than FCOD's phrasing of it as it's both less hostile and less misleading. I bring your attention to FCOD's actual vote post.It's 100% me too. Not only that it's the third to last vote for hockeyguy,and at the time that the switch was made the hockeyguy vote was already much bigger than the bufftabby vote, and bufftabby had already claimed mason. The vote is by no means a lynchpin, it's just a switch from a dying vote that makes FCOD look bad if he sticks with it, to a stronger vote. At that point I think we can generally agree he couldn't have stopped it, so I don't see how it's not a justifiable risk for a scum voter.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 13:52:12 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2008 13:52:12 GMT -5
I bring your attention to FCOD's actual vote post.It's 100% me too. Not only that it's the third to last vote for hockeyguy,and at the time that the switch was made the hockeyguy vote was already much bigger than the bufftabby vote, and bufftabby had already claimed mason. The vote is by no means a lynchpin, it's just a switch from a dying vote that makes FCOD look bad if he sticks with it, to a stronger vote. At that point I think we can generally agree he couldn't have stopped it, so I don't see how it's not a justifiable risk for a scum voter. You are correct...my vote wasn't that important. I didn't remember the vote counts at the time correctly. Also, I explicitly disclosed when I voted that it was a me too vote. Regardless, your case against me is based upon my thoughts towards Hal. I still maintain that my actions and thoughts towards Hal were not anti-town. I also maintain that the possession mechanic as we understand it is stupid, since it allows a person that is possessed to all but say, "Hey guys, I'm possessed." Seems more like a "share" than a "possession". --FCOD
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Jun 5, 2008 14:06:02 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jun 5, 2008 14:06:02 GMT -5
My strategy probably works better if I actually post.
So people with Townie reads Part #1
Story/Rysto
I gave my reason for them. I can expand/reiterate if desired.
Buff:
She is almost certainly a mason. In order to claim mason, she would have to either be one or know that they don't exist, and I think the latter is an unlikely bit of knowledge. There is something she is holding back, but I don't think it is an alternate win condition. I just can't see how a mason group playing for keeps fits with the color.
Star: He seemingly has no idea what he is doing. This could be a brilliant act, but I don't think is. Given this, I find it highly unlikely that his first act would be vote for a team member. At the very least, I don't think he is on the same side as Hockey Guy
Ryjae:
In Batman, he kept making stuff up, but usually only after someone else finding an inconsistency. He also kept saying things that contradicted previous statements. That isn't the case here. He is giving information unprompted in order to provide clarification. He is bringing heat on to himself even though he doesn't need to. I think he is on our side.
Kat:
Without her, Hockeyguy would probably still be alive and kicking.
Darth:
It would be a brilliant strategy to latch on with Hal knowing he wasn't a demon. That way when Hal was killed, Darth would be more or less confirmed as townie. That theory doesn't really fit the timeline though, so I find Darth's sock problem to be on the up and up.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 14:11:17 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 5, 2008 14:11:17 GMT -5
Sorry for being cryptic but I was up all Night chanting and what not, I'm too tired to think straight enough to vote Today. No need for head asplodin' Unable to Vote: 1 (stardragonman) Ya know, the more time passes the more I think Ryjae is full of it. Everytime he posts he suddenly develops a new power. Let's look over it. On Day 1, when he was talking about his role name he didn't originally give a name for his role. Then later he stated that he was a Guardian, and that the Demon Hunter does the holy water sprinkling. (Post 219, page 8) At the beginning of Today, he stated that he sprinkled HW on Hal as a dusk action, and later he stated that his role name was Demonolgist. He also claimed to have a whole bunch of powers that he could use. This later morphed into a bunch of one off powers. Finally the clicnher is the quoted bits up above. He claims that he Cannot vote. But the mod comes in and states who specifically cannot vote, and Ryjae isn't on that list. At this point, I'm pretty much convinced that Ryjae is lying. I'm not sure that he's a Demon though. I have a feeling he's more of a SK type role. Be that as it may, I feel like this is a stronger case than the one against TD, so I'm going to switch. Unvote tdpats Vote Ryjae bolding mine I noticed the same thing. If blam doesn't post soon I'll remove my vote anyway as he'll be modkilled or replaced. Ryjae is looking like a good candidate right now because of the increasing amount of dubiousness I feel with each power reveal.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 14:14:57 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2008 14:14:57 GMT -5
I am also suspicious of ryjae, but I'm WIFOMing myself to insanity about him. If he's telling the truth he is of GREAT value to the town...
--FCOD
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 14:24:20 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jun 5, 2008 14:24:20 GMT -5
At this point, I'm pretty much convinced that Ryjae is lying. I'm not sure that he's a Demon though. I have a feeling he's more of a SK type role. Be that as it may, I feel like this is a stronger case than the one against TD, so I'm going to switch. Here is the question. Why would a scummy Ryjae behave like he has?
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 14:32:47 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Jun 5, 2008 14:32:47 GMT -5
Quick impression (still re-reading, typing post in Wordpad and such) is that ryjae if he's on the level, has been incredibly helpful to the town. He's practically confirmed a significant number of game mechanisms if he's being truthful.
I am troubled by the implication of power changes/shifts in his claims. But I don't really want to post anything terribly substantial until I've finished my re-read. One thing I will do is track and list his claim(s), since coincidentally page 7 of Day One happens to be where I am right now, lol.
Right now though? Leaning town on ryjae.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 14:40:19 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jun 5, 2008 14:40:19 GMT -5
Here is the question. Why would a scummy Ryjae behave like he has? As I said, I think it more like he's a SK or similar type role than a Demon. However, I can see a good reason for a Demon Ryjae to do it that way. Look at how many people are considering Ryjae as town. This is exactly the sort of thing a scum player loves. For the unasked but kinda implied question of why would a demon Ryjae claim when not under pressure...because those types of claims are generally considered to be more believable. Ask yourself this. Why did a townie Ryjae say at the beginning of the Day that he sprinkled Hal with HW? If that truly is one of his powers, why tell us when Hal was NK'd? It gave us no new information, and simply added a huge target to his own back.
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Jun 5, 2008 14:45:46 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 5, 2008 14:45:46 GMT -5
Quick impression (still re-reading, typing post in Wordpad and such) is that ryjae if he's on the level, has been incredibly helpful to the town. He's practically confirmed a significant number of game mechanisms if he's being truthful. I am troubled by the implication of power changes/shifts in his claims. But I don't really want to post anything terribly substantial until I've finished my re-read. One thing I will do is track and list his claim(s), since coincidentally page 7 of Day One happens to be where I am right now, lol. Right now though? Leaning town on ryjae. Hal was incredibly helpful to the town in Batman and was PFK. It's entirely possible that ryjae is not scum, but isn't exactly town either. He has been helpful so far, but there is a tickle of a doubt that is growing in my mind. To be fair, a lot of it is metagamey and I should probably put it aside. *sigh* I'm going back and forth with this. I'm decidedly on the fence. Still nothing from blam, huh? Has anybody poked him?
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 15:08:30 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 5, 2008 15:08:30 GMT -5
Not just BlaM...Here's the list of posters in this thread that have less than 5 posts:
MHaye - 4 Kat - 2 Darth Sensitive - 2 Czech - 1 Rebel - 1 Blaster Master - 0
The Day started 3 days ago and six players have less than 5 posts?. UNACCEPTABLE!
--FCOD
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 15:12:29 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 5, 2008 15:12:29 GMT -5
Not just BlaM...Here's the list of posters in this thread that have less than 5 posts: MHaye - 4 Kat - 2 Darth Sensitive - 2 Czech - 1 Rebel - 1 Blaster Master - 0 The Day started 3 days ago and six players have less than 5 posts?. UNACCEPTABLE! --FCOD This day is going to end in some mod genocide if people don't start posting.... Seriously...
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Jun 5, 2008 15:25:51 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 5, 2008 15:25:51 GMT -5
I took a look at who's been on today and MHaye, Kat, Darth, and Czech all have been on but not posting. No sign of Rebel or Blaster Master.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 17:55:55 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 5, 2008 17:55:55 GMT -5
Vote Ryjae
It is mainly for metagame reasons.
His description of his powers keeps chopping and changing, and the metagame comes in with that being exactly how he behaved in the Batman game when he was on his own side.
That is basically the best I have at the moment. My other option was to lynch a lurker, but unless some of them starts posting up a storm that is going to be handled for us I think.
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Jun 5, 2008 17:57:45 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 5, 2008 17:57:45 GMT -5
Vote Ryjae
It is mainly for metagame reasons.
His description of his powers keeps chopping and changing, and the metagame comes in with that being exactly how he behaved in the Batman game when he was on his own side.
That is basically the best I have at the moment. My other option was to lynch a lurker, but unless some of them starts posting up a storm that is going to be handled for us I think.
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Jun 5, 2008 17:59:08 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 5, 2008 17:59:08 GMT -5
Damn time out.
Oh most powerful and forgiving of mods, might you delete my double post please.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 17:59:25 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jun 5, 2008 17:59:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I was on for about 10 minutes before I left for work this morning, but couldn't seem to load a full page. I just got home and finished reading the new stuff. Although Nanook beat me to pointing it out, I feel like ryjae's done some story-changing and am planning on going through his posts shortly to see what he's actually said when. Be back with that info after I eat.
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