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Jun 5, 2008 18:10:26 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Jun 5, 2008 18:10:26 GMT -5
It seems to me that these Ryjae votes are ridiculously hasty. Ryjae has, for all intents and purposes, claimed to be a form of cop. If RyJae is not Holy Water Guy, then where is he? Absent a counter-claim from the real HWG, I am not prepared to vote for RyJae at this time.
Now, the fact that we won't get complete role descriptions on death adds complications to this, but now is not the time to worry about that. I am going to be taking a very close look at the RyJae voters.
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Jun 5, 2008 18:15:16 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 5, 2008 18:15:16 GMT -5
I'm with Rysto on this. I am not sure lynching Ryjae is a good idea until we get more info.
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Jun 5, 2008 18:18:36 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Jun 5, 2008 18:18:36 GMT -5
It seems to me that these Ryjae votes are ridiculously hasty. Ryjae has, for all intents and purposes, claimed to be a form of cop. If RyJae is not Holy Water Guy, then where is he? Absent a counter-claim from the real HWG, I am not prepared to vote for RyJae at this time.
Now, the fact that we won't get complete role descriptions on death adds complications to this, but now is not the time to worry about that. I am going to be taking a very close look at the RyJae voters.
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Jun 5, 2008 18:18:54 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jun 5, 2008 18:18:54 GMT -5
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Jun 5, 2008 18:27:53 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jun 5, 2008 18:27:53 GMT -5
Day Two posts (quoted automatically using the handy-dandy quote button): This post has to do with me, Hal (obviously) was telling the truth about who he was prior to his death I knew this. At dusk one of my tricks is throw some holy water on someone. Only possessed humans react to this. He steamed. That's one thing outta the way. The other is a tad touchier, because I may have been responsible for our dear Warlocks death. I have a certain enchantment that I can use to find a demon at night. The only problem is, if I use it on a human it stops there night action and possibly worse, much worse. Yes I took a chance on him, and didn't get a PM letting me know either which way of what my action accomplished, so I do not know whether I directly killed him (or much worse as per my role PM) or just had bad luck. I have some other items I intend on using for the time being, because I do not want to risk the death of a town regardless. If I did result in the death of a Kid, it sucks, but at least that may explain the second death last Night. I was worried about saying anything but I feel it has to be out there. Anyway that won't happen again, I'm sticking to the defensive things for a while to hopefully help the town with something more substantial. I will answer any questions, barring anything that could result in me getting whacked of course. Dusk I will throw some water on Darth, unless our exorcist just wants to try to help him out based on his confession yesterday. Darth needs to live I think, Hal wasn't expected by me last night anyway. Well it doesn't say I will kill a human with it, it just says I would stop the night action of the human or much worse if directed at a non-demon. Assumption on my part, made possible by his death. I actually thought it meant maybe a little crazy for a while (like not being able to vote the next day or something) based on the color in my PM. But when I seen he died, well much worse looked much worse. I have two actions, one at dusk (check a player for possessedness ) and one at night. I can play offensive or defensive, from now on I will play defensive because I'm fairly confident for every spell, potion I have we have a role that has that job full time. So, ryjae's storry has changed. He went from speculating on whether HWG and Exorcist might be the same person "does that same person now perform an exorcism or have to have someone else do it for them? And how would the person pass on the information to the exorcist unless they're one and the same.") to knowing they're two different people, but not how their mechanics work ("It doesn't state how they communicate nor any other mechanics I can help out with. Such as what happens to the player possessed etc." and "If that person is possessed then the DH has to somehow tell the exorcist so that role can do there thing." and "Working on the assumption that neither the person throwing the holy water (DH) or the exorcist has extra investigation roles.") to being HWG. He's also gone from being a Guardian/Gatekeeper with some kind of immunity and at least one other power ("I am immune to certain things but I won't say what because then the scum have the upper-hand on me. I do have some defensive/offensive power") to being HWG with various unspecified other powers. I'm not voting for ryjae, as if he's telling the truth now, we need him, but I'd like a rundown on why pretend not to know how Holy Water Guy and the Exorcist work together if he's HWG? Why not just say he's keeping the info to himself, if he thought it better not to elaborate? Now I'm going to eat.
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Jun 5, 2008 18:34:42 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jun 5, 2008 18:34:42 GMT -5
Well, that's lovely.
Let me fix it here, if I can without screwing it up again.
So, ryjae's story has changed. He went from speculating on whether HWG and Exorcist might be the same person ("does that same person now perform an exorcism or have to have someone else do it for them? And how would the person pass on the information to the exorcist unless they're one and the same.") to knowing they're two different people, but not how their mechanics work ("It doesn't state how they communicate nor any other mechanics I can help out with. Such as what happens to the player possessed etc." and "If that person is possessed then the DH has to somehow tell the exorcist so that role can do there thing." and "Working on the assumption that neither the person throwing the holy water (DH) or the exorcist has extra investigation roles.") to being HWG.
If a mod could edit the relevant section of the previous post to match the above, that would be nice.
Note to self: Preview. Post. Get dinner.
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Jun 5, 2008 18:43:31 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 5, 2008 18:43:31 GMT -5
Well, that's lovely. Let me fix it here, if I can without screwing it up again. So, ryjae's story has changed. He went from speculating on whether HWG and Exorcist might be the same person ("does that same person now perform an exorcism or have to have someone else do it for them? And how would the person pass on the information to the exorcist unless they're one and the same.") to knowing they're two different people, but not how their mechanics work ("It doesn't state how they communicate nor any other mechanics I can help out with. Such as what happens to the player possessed etc." and "If that person is possessed then the DH has to somehow tell the exorcist so that role can do there thing." and "Working on the assumption that neither the person throwing the holy water (DH) or the exorcist has extra investigation roles.") to being HWG. If a mod could edit the relevant section of the previous post to match the above, that would be nice.Note to self: Preview. Post. Get dinner. Thanks for that Kat. FWIW that would all seem congruent with him trying to keep his exact role hidden. Though the timing is fucking weird, if that is the case. You would think he would drop that once he soft claimed. Ryjae, you have anything to say for yourself? (I know you are gone for a bit.)
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Jun 5, 2008 18:50:46 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jun 5, 2008 18:50:46 GMT -5
It's entirely possible that you're right about that NAF, but I, too, am eerily reminded of his Mad Hatter claims, which is why his current changing claim bothers me. On the other hand, if he's not HWG, I don't know as if I would want HWG to expose himself just yet. I don't know if it's a fair trade, unless ryjae's some kind of super-scum.
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Jun 5, 2008 18:51:59 GMT -5
Post by Rebel on Jun 5, 2008 18:51:59 GMT -5
First off I agree I don’t think Ryjae is a good choice right now. From the sounds of it is true that he has been changing his stories but it doesn’t mean he is scum. He could have been doing it for a reason for all we know. If he’s really a townie with a role it’d be horrible to lynch him. Better to get him to explain himself first.
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Jun 5, 2008 19:00:45 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 5, 2008 19:00:45 GMT -5
Yes I acknowledge Ryjae is a claimed power role, but as per Kat's great analysis, there is something a bit about his claims. There are definite inconsistencies there, and that puts him at the top of my "stuff that looks scummy" list. And as I've said I just can't help but draw parallels between this game and batman. I hope Ryjae will be back with some info/details to clarify some of the inconsistences in his claims. I'm not asking for a roleclaim, if Rjae thinks it is more value not to, just an explanation.
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Jun 5, 2008 19:10:35 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 5, 2008 19:10:35 GMT -5
Also, as FCOD has ranted;) about hardly anyone is voting at all at the moment.
So if you're not voting does that mean you think Stardragonman is the scummiest toDay. Because if you don't vote for someone else that is effectively what you are saying.
I wonder if there is a little bit of "I don't have to get my hands dirty today, the mod will take care of our lynch for us" attitude around today?
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Jun 5, 2008 19:13:42 GMT -5
Post by Rebel on Jun 5, 2008 19:13:42 GMT -5
I’m assuming this post was directed at me. So here goes! Meh, I guess I better elaborate again. Point I'm trying to make is that if you're going to raise suspicions all over again, it would be nice to address standing issues regarding them, such as: * If FCOD is scum, was putting hockeyguy up +4 a justifiable risk? Honestly I’m not following with the first point. What does putting hockeyguy up +4 mean? Up four votes compared to the player with the second number of votes? FCoD was voting for buff until she claimed. By the time he unvoted hockeyguy was pretty much doomed in my eyes. So it was an easy vote to replace the buff vote. Hockeyguy was going down so I didn’t see any risk for scum voting for hockeyguy. Again it was an easy vote to make and would be an attempt at looking townish. * You say I voted early, but like I illustrated, my vote on bufftabby occured before Kat! made her hockeyguy post. How do you reconcile this of your theory of tdpatriots12 as scum? I never said you voted early. All I said was I found it interesting that both you and FCoD were voting for buff and switched onto the hockeyguy vote at the end. No risk of unintentionally getting rid of a fellow scum member but still can say ‘look I voted out scum!’ * Do you dispute my reasoning for my vote on hockeyguy? People already have called you out for your reasons on voting hockeyguy. Honestly though I can’t really say I have anything against it because I don’t really expect Day 1 votes to have great reasoning behind them. I’m sure many players had votes that others would consider to be not great. (I know a lot of people said a lot of people votes were just 'I agree with Kat!' and that was that). So no I don't dispute your reasoning for voting him. It's not what you said on your vote on hockeyguy that I personally find suspicious it's when you placed the vote. I could have responded with far less frustration and sarcasm if any of these things were addressed. Otherwise it just strikes me as lazy "Eh, yeah, all that stuff going on sounds good" kind of analysis that doesn't help anyone. I figure me saying at least something about my suspicions is better then saying nothing at all. I'll do my best to explain myself more next time.
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Jun 5, 2008 19:38:56 GMT -5
Post by Rebel on Jun 5, 2008 19:38:56 GMT -5
Alright vote time. I’m afraid I don’t have time to analyze and research posts at the moment (I'm hoping to get caught up this weekend) so my vote is based on the information available through round 1 voting. I believe there was at least one scum voting for buff and I also believe that scum would vote for hockeyguy when it was clear there was little to no chance to help him get out of his situation. Two people fit the criteria of both of these situations FCoD and tdpat. FCoD originally was the first person to vote Hal. I don’t think he is suspicious for wanting to get rid of a now confirmed citizen but add to the fact of what I believe scum would have done last round, it would make sense if scum wanted to try to get Hal lynched or at least see if they could do it and have whatever was possessing him move to someone else. So with that: Vote: FlyingCowOfDoomAlso quick question since I’ve never played here before or played with you. This is something that rubs me the wrong way about you. Do you always back up some of your posts and reasons with ‘it’s a common spy tactic to do this’? I noticed you did it a few times now. I believe a common scum tactic is to say you trust town players, and that's what the impression I got from this post is. For me it feels like your trying to go ‘Hey look at me I’m pointing out what scum would do, so I must not be one!’ but maybe that is just me. Anyways I'm starting to get more adjusted to my new sleeping cycle and work life so I hope to be able to start participating more. I hate being looked at as inactive.
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Jun 5, 2008 19:39:30 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 5, 2008 19:39:30 GMT -5
Never fear, help is here! Molefan has arrived! (Lock up your food stores and your less choosy daughters!) But how, you may be asking, did I come to be posting here in the first place?
Well, I'm officially "subbing in" for Tragic and have received my role PM. This is me checking in to confirm that I'm here before I start actually doing stuff like trying to find scum, etc. Incidentally, I'm now town for the twentieth time in a row. I think that gets me a medal or a cookie or something.
Question for anybody who can be bothered to answer it: is Survivor Smurf the same as Dark Smurf (AKA Rehydrated Dehydrated Pirate #2)? Not that it has any practical application here, I just like to be sure I'm dealing with the same person before I start affectionately referring to him as "Big Blue".
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Jun 5, 2008 19:43:31 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 5, 2008 19:43:31 GMT -5
He has had many Smurfy incarnations.
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Jun 5, 2008 19:55:26 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Jun 5, 2008 19:55:26 GMT -5
A lynch on sdm looks probable right now, and I'm not sure who I would vote for in order to undo that, though I do think I want the vig who I think killed Hal to be reigned in. So wait- do you think there's a 3rd Killer out there as well possibly? As Ryjae's saying he might be involved in the Kid Killing.... And you're saying you think Hal was Vigged? So what did the scum do? Why do you think it was a Vig and not a Scum Kill, Darth? I'm just saying it based on the opening (very good) color. The single shadowy figure in connection with his death leads me to think Hal was SKed or vigged. Wanting more clarity, and knowing that the color isn't the best source either, I would guess that Kid was the mafia kill, maybe Ryjae helped inadvertently. But that's really just my speculations. Exorcism would have worked on Hal last night based on what has been said by others, I would encourage it to happen to anyone the exorcist thinks is similar to him.
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Jun 5, 2008 20:02:08 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 5, 2008 20:02:08 GMT -5
Question for anybody who can be bothered to answer it: is Survivor Smurf the same as Dark Smurf (AKA Rehydrated Dehydrated Pirate #2)? Not that it has any practical application here, I just like to be sure I'm dealing with the same person before I start affectionately referring to him as "Big Blue". Yep that's me ;D I hope it doesn't annoy anyone to much, but I have taken to changing my smurfy descriptor based upon the current game I'm in
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Jun 5, 2008 20:02:34 GMT -5
Post by Kison on Jun 5, 2008 20:02:34 GMT -5
KidVermicious, a Warlock (Nexus/Governor), had no spells to save him. FUCK. Well. Not quite a Huge Fuck as it could have been actually*. But still.... Governor role on MafiaScum: www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Governor*It reminds me of Hoopy's Mr. Freeze Ability, except it could Delay Lynches. This seems like a very plausible ability- perhaps he could use his spells to Delay a lynch? Why the uber freakout over the governor? I know Govornor > Vanilla, but there are likely many more beneficial roles that could have been offed. Also, is Nexus another name for Governor? Never seen that role in my life. Catching up on the posts I missed from today. Standby.
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Jun 5, 2008 20:15:17 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jun 5, 2008 20:15:17 GMT -5
More people I won't be voting for today...
NAF
This is a very Pro-town statement. Given we know Hal was being truthful, I find it unlikely scum wouldn't want to try to force power roles into revealing too much.
FCOD
FCOD seems absolutely paranoid about everything. I don't think anyone has revealed anything without FCOD being suspicious. Town members have more reason to be paranoid, because they know less about what is going on. My guess is FCOd is a vanilla town or a low level pro-town power role.
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Jun 5, 2008 21:55:24 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Jun 5, 2008 21:55:24 GMT -5
As I said, I think it more like he's a SK or similar type role than a Demon. However, I can see a good reason for a Demon Ryjae to do it that way. Look at how many people are considering Ryjae as town. This is exactly the sort of thing a scum player loves. For the unasked but kinda implied question of why would a demon Ryjae claim when not under pressure...because those types of claims are generally considered to be more believable. Isn't this exactly what you have done? You have claimed to have a power but won't tell us what it is, and given us some information that's totally unconfirmable if you're lying. Now, if your claim is legit, you would know that it's entirely possible that RyJae's is, too. The fact that you don't discuss this possibility at all leads me to believe that your claim is a complete fabrication. As opposed to your claim? You've given us a couple of utterly useless pieces of information(there are angels, there are no wraiths, there are non-demon scum) and painted a big target on your back, too. The fact that you seemingly haven't considered this suggests to me that having a target on your back isn't a worry for you. And the most likely explanation for that is that as scum, you know that that the scum won't target you. Vote Nanook
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Jun 5, 2008 22:05:08 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Jun 5, 2008 22:05:08 GMT -5
Re-read stuff: I am intrigued by KidV's suspicions of Smurf. But I wasn't at the time, maybe it's "KidV is confirmed town" going to my head. However! ryjae does give what seems to be a pretty good justification for claiming in the first place. (last line) The lingering suspicion that kept entering my brain during the reread is what if I was completely wrong when I was trying to figure out where the scummy buffwagon votes are? Then I'm ruling out people to analyze, well, before I even do. That's the kind of dangerous assumption that I really need to be vigilant about revisiting (so, indeed, would be assuming there are scum on the buffwagon - there were other places to hide their votes and I'll be looking at them later). Originally, I had Kat's post and bufftabby's claim bookending what I thought were the most suspicious votes, I still agree with the mason claim being the end of likely scum votes for buff, but I'm thinking I should go back earlier. Again ruling myself out, as well as the later FCOD (I can't get a read on this chick at all) and KidV (for obvious reasons). I can't buy storyteller's vote on buff being any kind of scum tell because it was the first one. Doesn't mean he isn't scum, just that his vote isn't reflective of that possibility in my eyes. Smurf's vote stands out as being particularly suspicious to me. He does admit it. Here's the vote: Just so we're clear, I realize Smurf is from down under, so his lack of an unvote is quite likely a null-tell. I'm also really not liking the ryjae vote at all. Sure, he might be caught in some inconsistencies, but is it worth risking killing a town power role? I don't know, but I want to think that I'd have to think about it longer than you did before dropping a vote (just so no-one takes this the wrong way, I am taking a wait and see approach with ryjae - my opinion on him is not locked in stone). This could simply be a difference in playstyles, but it's just that with everyone else I've ended up looking it I've had to balance what I've judged (at this point) to be pro-town actions with the things pinging me. I'm struggling to find definitive pro-town actions, Smurf, maybe people can help me out. But here's everything I can think of that's contributing to this upcoming vote, no matter how minor: (these are the 'result #s' that show up when you click on his post history. Keep in mind if/when he posts more, these numbers will change, but should be fine for now)* Smurf was one of the early people who didn't buy that Hal was possessed. (Result 21) * Confirmed town KidV took issue with Smurf, I'm not sure what this means, but maybe he was on to something. Maybe he wasn't. (Result 19) * Something very convenient about his defense, but this is by far the most "gut" feeling I have and the least justifiable. The specific thing triggering my gut are his comments in this post about outthinking himself. I would have much preferred if he had explained what he was thinking with his 4 paragraph justification AND then how he came to believe he was outhinking himself. This could easily be an issue of contrasting playstyles, but I did say I was listing everything. (Result 15) * His admitted completely me-too vote of bufftabby, given the possibility that scum was somewhere on the buffwagon... well, we've been over it before. (Result 14). * Day Two he's spent quite a bit of time on game mechanics. Not neccessarily a scum tell, but maybe he's skirting the issues? (Result 13, Result 9, Result 8, Result 7) * Then there's the ryjae vote and justification which I don't like. He says he doesn't want ryjae to claim... then why the vote? Vote implies lynch pressure, if he's just concerned, a vote seems a little strong, especially for someone who has been participating. (Result 5-6, Result 3 is an explanation of the vote). * Made an egregious reference to Luke Skywalker being Blue 5 (Unforgivable!) It may seem like I'm nitpicking, but Christ's sake, I've been reading, pondering, and thinking about what I got from my re-read and all these things, taken together, smell scummy to me. vote Survivor SmurfThat vote being said, I agree with what NAF said earlier toDay, which is that the only people I'm suspicious of are the ones posting. I know there are scum hiding in the lurkers, but there's nothing I can personally do to respond to you besides collectively criticize all of you right here. If you can't get into the game, why don't you do atarus a favor and look for your own subs. For our sake and his, I'd hate to see a game I spent time developing hurt by lack of participation.
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Jun 5, 2008 22:06:57 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Jun 5, 2008 22:06:57 GMT -5
I am intrigued by your ideas, Rysto, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Let's see what Nanook has to say. I'll take a look at him on reread #2, just when I decide I can stomach another reread.
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Jun 5, 2008 22:07:11 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jun 5, 2008 22:07:11 GMT -5
Isn't this exactly what you have done? You have claimed to have a power but won't tell us what it is, and given us some information that's totally unconfirmable if you're lying. Now, if your claim is legit, you would know that it's entirely possible that RyJae's is, too. The fact that you don't discuss this possibility at all leads me to believe that your claim is a complete fabrication. No, it's not what I've done. I've made no claims about any powers I may or may not have. I haven't even claimed to have a power. The only thing I've claimed is information. I did not say there are no wraiths or there are non-demon scum. I know nothing about those things, hence why I said I can't confirm or deny it, because I don't know either way. The only reason I said even as much as I did is that people were asking. Someone asked about non-demons, I confirmed they exist. This lead to a discussion of wratihs, and someone hoping for Angels. I don't know about the former, but do about the latter, so I clarified my knowledge. Do you think that knowledge is a bad thing for town? I hope the demons do target me. Of course, by saying that they won't target me. On the other hand, they don't know what my role is, and they don't know what that means for them. Enjoy the WIFOM demons.
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Jun 5, 2008 22:26:41 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Jun 5, 2008 22:26:41 GMT -5
FWIW, I did take a look at Nanook's post history (not in the context of the Day, just clicking on his name) and nothing in particular stands out to me. Well, kind of...
It seems (warning: gut feeling) to me that he had a slightly stronger handle on what was going on (most notably with Hal) than the rest of us. This seems consistent with his explanation. His logic seems fine and he has given plausible reasons for his votes.
I guess, if I had to be plain about my opinion on this Nanook vs. Ryjae, business - it's that I think both have had valid questions raised about them but, I guess, I'm satisfied by their posts so far that they have been playing more consistently than they might seem. Or I'm completely wrong, but that's why I haven't felt strongly enough about it to do anything other than question and speculate. I am interested in seeing where it goes.
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Jun 5, 2008 22:35:23 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jun 5, 2008 22:35:23 GMT -5
No, it's not what I've done. I've made no claims about any powers I may or may not have. I haven't even claimed to have a power. The only thing I've claimed is information. I think it's been generally assumed, unless you're implying that atarus tossed some extra info into a Vanilla PM. Are those Type 1 or Type 2? ;D I got nothing good, and am falling asleep. I will be on again tomorrow, and will place a vote then, probably for some unbelievably pathetic reason.
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Jun 5, 2008 22:38:29 GMT -5
Post by Czech on Jun 5, 2008 22:38:29 GMT -5
Ok. This is a second "checking in" post from me. I was out of town on business for Monday and Tuesday, then spent an inordinate amount of time flying back, recovered Wednesday, and caught up on normal work stuff today. I promise I will spend some time catching up with the important stuff--namely, this game--tomorrow afternoon and evening. Ask of me what you will and I will answer, and as I move through the other pages, I'll address items that have come up as I see them. I apologize for my tardiness. Real life and all.
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Jun 5, 2008 23:41:11 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jun 5, 2008 23:41:11 GMT -5
Sorry for being cryptic but I was up all Night chanting and what not, I'm too tired to think straight enough to vote Today. No need for head asplodin' Unable to Vote: 1 (stardragonman) This to me... seems REALLY REALLY Cut and Dry. Ryjae- either you're lying or the Mod is being a Gastard here. -If you want to fill in the details that'd be nice here- or are we going to have to expect you're gonna not be voting alot, since (assumably) in order for you to use your night powers, you're going to have to be up all night chanting EVERY night pretty much? This excuse feels WAY to convenient, and I don't buy it especially with the Mod's post up there. So: since obviously we can't ask Ryjae about this right now, we'll have to turn to a higher power: Yo, Mod!
When you said "Unable to Vote" in that post above: -Did you mean ALL PLAYERS currently unable to Vote toDay? -Or was that just a special dealy thingie meaning really "ALL PLAYERS UNABLE TO VOTE DUE TO MOD ACTION"? -Cuz there's a huge fucking difference in that.In the meantime, I want my vote down: Lynch all Liars: Vote Ryjae Because I can't think of a Pro-TOWN reason really as to why Ryjae would want to go out and come up with an excuse on why he can't vote today (assuming he can vote). However, I can totally see a Anti-Town reason as to why a player would want a reason to NOT vote ANYTIME they can get away with it. Ryjae- right now, you're making me wonder. This is sorta stuff you pulled with the Mad Hatter role- your powers just kept increasing, and changing through the days until they all just collapsed on top of you, and that's what's making me paranoid about you. As your current methods remind me of that role, combined with the strategy of Santo Rugger as Joker. -In that game [Batman], he was an SK, who had information, but also had a role where if he name claimed, he'd get into a LOT of trouble with it especially with how his kills were flavored. -So how'd he fix it? He tried to play as Pro-Town as possible. He fed the town information about Batman, and and he tried to "vig" the most "suspicious" players every time, in order to setup his claim of Vig (he was just really unlucky on the first day when he Vigged the Doc's bodyguard), but all his motivations were seemingly "PRO-TOWN"- he had information on the enemy, so he tried to exploit it by acting like he was on the same side as the town trying to act like he TOO was against the enemy.... So I don't really like your tactics currently. However, my voting for you is much simpler than that: 1. Currently, you said you can't vote toDay. 2. The Mod on the other hand has only named 1 player who can't vote for toDay. 3. That ain't your name on the List. Until You or the Mod can reconcile that series of information for me, the Vote on you will stay as MOST suspicious player toDay- unless you can give me a plausible pro-town reason for your lying.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 23:42:16 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jun 5, 2008 23:42:16 GMT -5
Why the uber freakout over the governor? That's not an "uber freakout". I just like saying Fuck. I even pointed it out in that post you quoted. It could have been much worse I explained, the Governor role is just a weaker version of a MUCH more powerful Role on that site. As for nexus I got nothing. All I remember is that Dotchan was the Nexus-9 from the Blade Runner Mafia game.
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 23:48:38 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 5, 2008 23:48:38 GMT -5
Just to respond to some of your specific points TD* Smurf was one of the early people who didn't buy that Hal was possessed. (Result 21) Yep, got me dead to rights here. At the risk of a smiting maybe I overestimated Atarus. But I thought there would be no way in hell if someone was possessed it would be as simple as putting up your hand and saying I hate shoes. * Confirmed town KidV took issue with Smurf, I'm not sure what this means, but maybe he was on to something. Maybe he wasn't. (Result 19) Don't really have a defence for this. Impossible to really. kidv had some issues with a couple of my posts. But you'll notice it wasn't enough to spur a vote from him. * Something very convenient about his defense, but this is by far the most "gut" feeling I have and the least justifiable. The specific thing triggering my gut are his comments in this post about outthinking himself. I would have much preferred if he had explained what he was thinking with his 4 paragraph justification AND then how he came to believe he was outhinking himself. This could easily be an issue of contrasting playstyles, but I did say I was listing everything. (Result 15) What I mean by outhinking myself was I had typed up a bunch of stuff (the aforementioned 4 paragraphs) basically trying to justify why I wasn't convinced of Hal's towniness, and why I was still suspicious of him. But I realised while I was composing, that there were some flaws underlying my thinking/theory. And in my effort to parse out possible motivations for what Hal was doing I had realised that in my effort to be paranoid I had jumped the gun and leapt to some conculsions which were bad conclusions. Everything I had just written was essentially invalidated by that realisation. So there was absolutely no point in posting it. * His admitted completely me-too vote of bufftabby, given the possibility that scum was somewhere on the buffwagon... well, we've been over it before. (Result 14). Well it was a me-too vote in the sense that I had nothing additional to add on top of the analysis already done. But i've already said it boils down to a me too. * Day Two he's spent quite a bit of time on game mechanics. Not neccessarily a scum tell, but maybe he's skirting the issues? (Result 13, Result 9, Result 8, Result 7) With the reveal of some new info yes I having been thinking through some game mechanics. Can I clarify with you what you consider to be "the issues" that I'm maybe skirting? * Then there's the ryjae vote and justification which I don't like. He says he doesn't want ryjae to claim... then why the vote? Vote implies lynch pressure, if he's just concerned, a vote seems a little strong, especially for someone who has been participating. (Result 5-6, Result 3 is an explanation of the vote). Ryjae has stated he feels his position/utility will be comprised if he fully claims, and if he is telling the truth I tend to agree. So I wanted to specifically say that my vote is not calling for a full claim from him. Instead I thought I was pretty explicit that what I do want is some explanation from Ryjae about why his claimed powers seem to be changing. i.e. The issue and the only thing that has caused me to be suspicous of him. As you've said yourself the downside of so many lurkers is that attention tends to focus on those that are actually talking. * Made an egregious reference to Luke Skywalker being Blue 5 (Unforgivable!) George Lucas is a hack ;D
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Day Two
Jun 5, 2008 23:56:33 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 5, 2008 23:56:33 GMT -5
Yo, Mod!
When you said "Unable to Vote" in that post above: -Did you mean ALL PLAYERS currently unable to Vote toDay? -Or was that just a special dealy thingie meaning really "ALL PLAYERS UNABLE TO VOTE DUE TO MOD ACTION"? -Cuz there's a huge fucking difference in that.All players unable to vote due to mod action. Edited in vote count: Vote CountStardragonman (5): Penalty Votes Ryjae (3): Nanook, Survivor Smurf, Roosh FlyingCowofDoom (2): misterblockey, Rebel TDpatriots (1): FlyingCowofDoom Blaster Master (1): hockeymonkey hawkeyeop (1): NAF1138 Nanook (1): Rysto Survivor Smurf (1): Tdpatriots Not Voting: 10 Unable to Vote: 1 (stardragonman)
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