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Post by RoOsh on Jun 11, 2008 12:36:49 GMT -5
and if you are right actually lends a bit more credence to the whole Hockey case. I've got to head out now, but I wanted my vote on the record. Your quote however intrigues me, and I wish to apply an old internet cliche concerning magazines subscriptions here. So Tell me more, NAF. What's your thinking there?
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 11, 2008 12:59:22 GMT -5
and if you are right actually lends a bit more credence to the whole Hockey case. I've got to head out now, but I wanted my vote on the record. Your quote however intrigues me, and I wish to apply an old internet cliche concerning magazines subscriptions here. So Tell me more, NAF. What's your thinking there? Well if you are right about Rysto being scum, I think his behavior strengthens the case against Hockey. The kind of "Yes, this IS suspicious behaviour but I can't vote for it" attitude is the sort of thing I did a lot when I was scum so I could distance myself from a fellow scum (saying I was suspicious) while at the same time slowing down the wagon (by adding one more voice who thinks it isn't a good idea to lynch that person). I am not saying that it is the final nail in the coffin or that if one turns up scum then the other must be scum...but if Rysto DOES turn up scum I think it adds to the case against HM.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 11, 2008 14:40:05 GMT -5
Roosh and his claims.
The first thing you have to think about with Roosh and his claims is this. “Is Roosh lying to us again?” This question has to be considered, and held in the back of our minds all the time, because if we conclude that he is, there's no point analysing the large helping of crazy he's served up.
If he's a Corporeal, then he's doing what he's supposed to ,and sowing confusion among the Survivors. If he's actually a Survivor, and telling us untruths, then all the effort wasted trying to understand the crazy is effort that could otherwise have been put into trying to find Evil Entities.
The one thing in Roosh's claims favour is that an Amnesiac is a reasonable role to put into a game set after the Apocalypse. Thus I don't want to wholly neglect the issue, but I'm going to attempt to ignore it until some more substantive evidence comes up.
With that said, I'm going to embark on a reading of Day 3, and possibly both earlier Days as well.
Just as a by-the-by, the current vote leader has only two votes (it's a tie.) One of Yesterday's problems was that Stardragonman had a huge pile of penalty votes and that distorted the vote process. However, this reminds me; there's a vote switch in Day 2 that might bear some close attention, and I'm going to look at that now.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 11, 2008 14:55:30 GMT -5
Add that in with the fact that no one paid attention yesterDay...just seems odd to me. Could it be that noone else paid attention, because they didn't like the case? To me it was a back and forth battle of semantics and could easily of been two town members unable to communicate well. I find the disagreement between FCOD and Buff today to be similar. I'm surprised how readily you have taken this two day old argument and tried to fit everything else to match. I was all set to vote Smurf but in reading through his post history there was no fire to go with the smoke. He has been wishy washy, a bit too focused on third party players for my taste, and has done a couple other things that could be considered suspicious, but nothing that I can't see townies doing as well. So I'm leaning towards voting for either NAF or Roosh.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 11, 2008 15:06:38 GMT -5
Add that in with the fact that no one paid attention yesterDay...just seems odd to me. Could it be that noone else paid attention, because they didn't like the case? To me it was a back and forth battle of semantics and could easily of been two town members unable to communicate well. I find the disagreement between FCOD and Buff today to be similar. I'm surprised how readily you have taken this two day old argument and tried to fit everything else to match. I was all set to vote Smurf but in reading through his post history there was no fire to go with the smoke. He has been wishy washy, a bit too focused on third party players for my taste, and has done a couple other things that could be considered suspicious, but nothing that I can't see townies doing as well. So I'm leaning towards voting for either NAF or Roosh. See, and this is why you are my #2 hawky, I went from one of your least likely to be scum (wouldn't even vote for me after I voted for you) to being on the verge of getting a vote from you over the course of a single Night. Did you actually bother to re-look at the posts that I mentioned? I think it is actually a far better example of scummy behavior than anything else we have here. It isn't just semantics, it's a scummy list and then bad defense of said list. Couple that with no one else thinking the accusation was signifigant (and yes, I would have expected some scum to comment on it, because that is actually the type of thing scum do) and she is now at the top of my list. Sorry I didn't notice it soon enough for your taste.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 11, 2008 15:08:21 GMT -5
I was all set to vote Smurf but in reading through his post history there was no fire to go with the smoke.(bolding mine) I think this should be the theme song for this game. --FCOD
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 11, 2008 15:25:48 GMT -5
Let's see if I can reconstruc the vote swing I thought I picked up very late Yesterday. At one point Yesterday I was constructing a post. When I began it there were three possible vote candidates, with SDM significantly more likely just because of his penalty votes. TDPats and FcoD were still plausible candidates for a lynch though. During the drafting process this changed; when I came back to the screen, TDP had suddenly become realistic, and FcoD had disappeared from everyone's screens a a plausible candidate. What was the pivotal moment? At D2.240 (the top of page 9) the votecount was SDM 5 / TDP 2 / FCD 2. Over the course of that page (assuming the 30-post-per-page default) TDPats acquired three votes, from Nanook (D2.247), Hawkeyeop (D2.249) and Storyteller (D2.267). In the same period FcoD gained and lost the vote from Bufftabby (D2.241 and D2.258, respectively) and also received Darth Sensitive's vote. Thus, at the top of page 10 the vote count stood SDM 5 / TDP 5 / FcoD 3. Over the course of those thirty posts, then (approx 13 hours – 6:02am – 7:00pm BST, or including a night for American/Canadian players) the pressure on TDP escalated seriously, but FcoD was still a plausible candidate. The next change appears to be the defining moment where FcoD ceases to be a viable lynch candidate. In post D2.280 MisterBlockey switches his vote from FcoD to TDP. That put TDP in the lead 6 / 5 / 2. Given that SDM's five penalty votes weren't going anywhere, that marks the moment where (for me anyway) the focus shifted from a group of three possible lynch candidates to two possibles. While I agree with the evaluation that TDP was better than SDM as a lynch choice, it was MisterBlockey who removed FcoD as a viable candidate. If he'd stuck with his vote, maybe FcoD would have received more scrutiny in those last few hours. Misterblockey said that he would be “happy to explain his shift more fully Tomorrow” - ie Today. He has not said one word about it. In fact, apart from speculating about apocalyptic milkmen and a single question to NAF (asking about his SDM vote Yesterday) he's said nothing Today. So come on Misterblockey, spill the beans. Why did you switch your vote Yesterday? With that out of the way, I think I have some rereading to do. At least I have a focus for that rereading.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 11, 2008 15:38:07 GMT -5
See, and this is why you are my #2 hawky, I went from one of your least likely to be scum (wouldn't even vote for me after I voted for you) to being on the verge of getting a vote from you over the course of a single Night. It is early, things change quickly. As I said previously, I will reevaluate everyone each day. I gave a reason that I didn't you were scum, but that doesn't mean it overrides all future information. Yes, I consider the back and forth between Hockey and Buff to be a battle of semantics, at least past the initial post. I think, if anything, scum would be more clear in answering accusations. Or scum could completely stay out of it, and let town members smudge each other. When one shows up town they can go after the other. What about everything else Hockey has done? You are focusing completly on 10% of the data and ignoring everything else.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 11, 2008 16:18:56 GMT -5
It is early, things change quickly. As I said previously, I will reevaluate everyone each day. I gave a reason that I didn't you were scum, but that doesn't mean it overrides all future information. Yes, I consider the back and forth between Hockey and Buff to be a battle of semantics, at least past the initial post. I think, if anything, scum would be more clear in answering accusations. Or scum could completely stay out of it, and let town members smudge each other. When one shows up town they can go after the other. What about everything else Hockey has done? You are focusing completly on 10% of the data and ignoring everything else. Well, what else has Hockey done? I am perfectly willing to admit that she maybe did something so over the top townie that I can ignore the fact that she seemed to create a suspicion list of people that were simply the top suspicion gatherers while 2 of the people on the list cancled each other out. It is possible, I suppose, that she really just wasn't paying attention and was just talking to talk. But more often then not that is scummy behavior. When she was called on it I don't think she did anything to justify the list. Was it maybe semantics after that, ok I will give you that one. But the initial slip is what people should be paying attention to. That is a lesson that I have learned over the past few games. I think this is the most solid piece of evidence we have so far in the game, and continue to be shocked that no one (but buff, who to be fair, found it) seems to agree with me. Also, why you picking on me all of a sudden? I don't see you giving buff grief over the argument. Is it because you know that you can't get her lynched since she is a claimed mason?
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 11, 2008 16:21:54 GMT -5
I notice that BlaM hasn't posted on the Dope game either, so I take my comments against him back. He might be having some real life troubles, and in which case, I do hope HE does come back to post in the games..... I don't like his late posts in the previous two Days, but if there is a Real Life Issue happening at the moment, then I think that supercedes all and any arguments a person may make. So hope you can come and join us BlaM!
And I wanna hear from Mr. Blocky too actually on the Vote Switching. Mr. Blocky's been getting a free pass from me because he was one of the Piviotal votes against HockeyGuy Day 1, but I can already feel myself kicking my own ass for getting complacent about those sorts of things.
But yes, Blocky- what's been puttering around in your head in regards to Day 2?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 11, 2008 16:34:32 GMT -5
It is early, things change quickly. As I said previously, I will reevaluate everyone each day. I gave a reason that I didn't you were scum, but that doesn't mean it overrides all future information. Yes, I consider the back and forth between Hockey and Buff to be a battle of semantics, at least past the initial post. I think, if anything, scum would be more clear in answering accusations. Or scum could completely stay out of it, and let town members smudge each other. When one shows up town they can go after the other. What about everything else Hockey has done? You are focusing completly on 10% of the data and ignoring everything else. Well, what else has Hockey done? I am perfectly willing to admit that she maybe did something so over the top townie that I can ignore the fact that she seemed to create a suspicion list of people that were simply the top suspicion gatherers while 2 of the people on the list cancled each other out. It is possible, I suppose, that she really just wasn't paying attention and was just talking to talk. But more often then not that is scummy behavior. When she was called on it I don't think she did anything to justify the list. Was it maybe semantics after that, ok I will give you that one. But the initial slip is what people should be paying attention to. That is a lesson that I have learned over the past few games. I think this is the most solid piece of evidence we have so far in the game, and continue to be shocked that no one (but buff, who to be fair, found it) seems to agree with me. Also, why you picking on me all of a sudden? I don't see you giving buff grief over the argument. Is it because you know that you can't get her lynched since she is a claimed mason? Solid evidence? Hardly. Maybe NAF, you should look at all of my posts and filter out my discussion with Buffy. Really. In fact, just start over today with a re-read and pay close attention to my discussion with storyteller.
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Post by tdpatriots12 on Jun 11, 2008 16:58:03 GMT -5
Then we're screwed, and the spoiler board is filled with "I can't believe they're taking the milk!" chatter. I believe this isn't the case, but it's purely a gut feeling based (admittedly) on my own feelings about random ass crazy roles. At some point we've got to give not lynching the obvious lynch role a shot. I think RoOsh's claim, as presented, gives us an opportunity to see if that strategy is viable. Have you been informed as to the possible dangers of the milk? Do you have any reason to believe it could be dangerous besides a bad feeling? (yes, I realize my opinion is based on a largely defenseless good feeling, but if you've got a good reason why we are all wrong, please share it) It's possible that this milk business, besides being a distraction, might be an "out" by which we won't have to lynch the role that for better or worse was probably designed with the expectation that it would get lynched. I'm rambling, but that's my read on this RoOsh business. If I'm wrong then he's got me right where he wants me(and not the other way around as he implied earlier). I say this so it's clear that I believe the claim is genuine despite these misgivings being on my mind. Since you said to go back and look at your conversation with story, I did. Is this the post you were trying to refer NAF to? ...back to the reread.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 11, 2008 17:13:00 GMT -5
Since you said to go back and look at your conversation with story, I did. Is this the post you were trying to refer NAF to? ...back to the reread. I was about to say that I didn't get it and that just because she ALWAYS seems scummy doesn't mean that she isn't scum...and then I actually registered what she said. I am not taking my vote off you yet HM, but...I am a bit more willing to listen. Talk.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 11, 2008 17:17:05 GMT -5
There were several reasons for my abrupt vote change yesterday.
1) I am of the opinion that at least one of the late Hockeyguy voters on day one was a demon. Which one that might be, I'm much less sure of, but one of them. FCOD, and tdpats are at the top of my "gut feeling" list, but FCOD actually had somewhat of a case buildable against him, considering the vote for Hal after implying that he was pretty sure a dead Hal would cause further townie posession.
2) I was of the opinion and stand vindicated that Stardragonman was town, annoying, fairly unhelpful town, but town nonetheless.
3) I had absolutely no way of reaching my computer or posting again until dusk, at which point anything I did would be too late anyway.
4) People were leaving the FCOD lynch for tdpats, and I felt the latter lynch had a higher likelihood of succeeding, and since Stardragonman was reading townie on my radar, I felt like the best move I could make for the town would be to add my voice to the lynch most likely to beat the Stardragonman penalty votes.
5) Also, if the argument had continued I felt it might have easily ended in a three way tie.
So to sum up I felt (correctly) that Stardragonman was town, I felt like my case vs FCOD was either going to be ignored or split the vote enough that Stardragonman would be lynched, and the most prudent thing I could to would be to throw my lot in voting tdpats as he struck me as more likely to be scum than Stardragonman, and more likely to successfully overcome the penalty votes than a FCOD lynch.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 11, 2008 17:28:03 GMT -5
MrB : Thanks for the reply.
You do realise that point 4 is in fact false? The only two people who unvoted FCoD Yesterday were yourself and Bufftabby; and Buff voted not for TDPats but Hockeymonkey, making an effort to open a new voting front. No-one (other than yourself) was "leaving the FCoD lynch for TDPats."
Consequently, the result of your vote was to ensure that the person you say you were most suspicious of was not further examined.
This is why my current reread is focussed on FCoD, but you are a secondary consideration.
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Post by Nanook on Jun 11, 2008 17:29:28 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't get here today, work was nuts. The major project I've been working on is in the process of ending, and there's a lot of last minute rushing to get things finished. I will probably not be around much the rest of this week either, though I will check in at night to keep an eye on things.
What specifically do you want to know Roosh? I already stated that I didn't feel the inconsistency Rysto thought he saw was actually an inconsistency, but if you want me to cover it again I will do so. I will also point out that I removed my vote from Ryjae after atarus clarified his unable to vote designation.
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Post by tdpatriots12 on Jun 11, 2008 17:46:39 GMT -5
All votes on tdpatriots12 during Day 2, a general summary. I tried to summarize each vote as objectively as I could. Dawn -tdpatriots12 - 0 stardragonman - 5 Nanook, didn't like my HG vote and subsequent explanations based on a charge of post hoc reasoning. Also mentions suspicion of Tragic. 1-5. Note: misterblockey indicates suspicion of ryjae, but focuses on a choice between myself and FCOD for the lynch. Explicitly states he doesn't think SDM is a good lynch choice. 1-5. FlyingCowOfDoom votes me, citing the buffwagon. Explicitly does not advocate a bandwagon based on his vote. Implores town to come up with a lynch choice because of SDM situation. 2-5. Nanook unvotes me. Votes ryjae, citing ever changing powers in his claim. 1-5. Nanook unvotes ryjae. Revotes me, citing scummiest person. 2-5. hawkeyeop votes me, cites Day One desire to vote twice but not being happy with choices. Has list of possible suspects. 3-5. storyteller votes me. Citing possibility of scum manipulation, and my vote on HG, with reasoning contained in a previous post. Says FCOD, SDM, and myself are the likely lynchees today, and lists hockeymonkey as being scummier than me, according to his list. Not averse to a lynch of SDM, but cites lack of information as a problem with such a move. 4-5. (at this point, as has been pointed out, FCOD had three votes and was still very much an option. There were 6 nonvotes and 1 unable to vote, and 7 votes on 6 other people) misterblockey votes for me, citing that SDM is townier than me, and he doesn't want SDM to get lynched. Says still suspicious of FCOD. 5-5. hockeymonkey votes me. Cites SDM not being the best candidate for lynch, indicates suspicion of ryjae, says one-off vote is useless. 6-5. (at this point, RoOsh votes for SDM, making it 6-6) mhaye votes me. Cites strategic reasons - mostly information gain, says nothing in my post history (in isolation) struck him as particularly scummy. 7-6. Not entirely sure what I'm going to do with this yet, but I figured I'd post it before I start my analysis in case anyone wants quick reference links.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 11, 2008 17:50:38 GMT -5
Alright let me reword point 4. The vote posts that I read in the time I had before I had to jump in the car to go to work, or be late.
List form, no name bolding atm because it's a lot of names and they're clearly seperated.
Rebel votes FCOD a few spread out votes not very relevant to this discussion Bufftabby votes FCOD Nanook moves to TDPats Darth votes FCOD Hawkeye defends FCOD, and then votes TDPats Buff unvotes FCOD, moves to Hockeymonkey (btw if I could get a sum up with post links to the Hockeymonkey case I'd like that, I'm not following it very well and work is killing me so I can only dig in to so many aspects at once.) Two spread votes then... Story votes TDPats
VOTE COUNT! TD is ahead by one, the day is winding down, the voting board looks like shotgun spray, and no one is even tying Stardragonman's penalty votes.
This is the point where I have 10 minutes to figure out how I want to stand for the rest of the day, as I have no shot at rescinding or moving.
The thing is numbers aren't the only issue, there's also momentum. I understand, and understood that by switching my vote, I'd be killing the momentum in the FCOD vote, however I felt that that momentum had already been killed, and the only lynch that really had any momentum was that for TDPats.
I realize my wording in point 4 is incorrect now, but forgive me if I didn't have perfect recall over something I read in 5 minutes so that I could get one more post in before dusk.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 11, 2008 17:56:21 GMT -5
Also,
and for the record.
Vote FCOD
I've been hesitant to do that as I have nothing new to add to my arguments from yesterday.
I will say that FCOD has been giving me a scummy vibe today, but as is the theme in this game, it's nothing I can put my finger on.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 11, 2008 18:04:07 GMT -5
Then we're screwed, and the spoiler board is filled with "I can't believe they're taking the milk!" chatter. I believe this isn't the case, but it's purely a gut feeling based (admittedly) on my own feelings about random ass crazy roles. At some point we've got to give not lynching the obvious lynch role a shot. I think RoOsh's claim, as presented, gives us an opportunity to see if that strategy is viable. Have you been informed as to the possible dangers of the milk? Do you have any reason to believe it could be dangerous besides a bad feeling? (yes, I realize my opinion is based on a largely defenseless good feeling, but if you've got a good reason why we are all wrong, please share it) It's possible that this milk business, besides being a distraction, might be an "out" by which we won't have to lynch the role that for better or worse was probably designed with the expectation that it would get lynched. I'm rambling, but that's my read on this RoOsh business. If I'm wrong then he's got me right where he wants me(and not the other way around as he implied earlier). I say this so it's clear that I believe the claim is genuine despite these misgivings being on my mind. Since you said to go back and look at your conversation with story, I did. Is this the post you were trying to refer NAF to? ...back to the reread. Yes, that is the post. And why is everyone taking my bomb comment literally? I thought I had put enough exaggeration in there to make my point, but apparently not. NAF, I'm hoping that pointing out that post will be enough for now. I don't have a magic bag, and you (meaning everyone) can probably figure out the gist of my role, but I don't want to give details until absolutely necessary.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 11, 2008 18:10:06 GMT -5
Vote Count tdpatriots (2): Nanook, FlyingCowofDoom hockeymonkey (2): bufftabby, NAF1138 Nanook (1): Rysto NAF1138 (1): Kison Rysto (1): Roosh FlyingCowofDoom (1): misterblockey
Not Voting: 11
Just over 24 hours until Day's end.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 11, 2008 18:56:22 GMT -5
Also, why you picking on me all of a sudden? I don't see you giving buff grief over the argument. Is it because you know that you can't get her lynched since she is a claimed mason? I find a lackluster argument less scummy then pointing to a lackluster argument and voting based on it. Still, I am somewhat appeased that you weren't really using posts after the first one in your argument. On that note. vote Roosh Worst case scenario we are lynching someone who doesn't know who he is, and isn't terribly interested in finding scum.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 11, 2008 19:17:18 GMT -5
Worst case scenario we are lynching someone who doesn't know who he is, and isn't terribly interested in finding scum. That's a great argument day one, a mediocre argument day two and a horrible argument day three. I'm not saying I trust Roosh, but I'd like to know what his three tidbits are tomorrow. At this point I find it most likely he's either playing for town or pfk, in which case it's a mislynch (remember that discussion). So yeah, that argument's only for when you have absolutely zero to go on. FOS Hawkeyeop
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 11, 2008 19:21:13 GMT -5
I get that a lot in mafia. I've been lynched at least once for it I haven't been able to pay as much attention as I would have liked the last couple of days and haven't been able to do much rereading. I'll hopefully have a vote in shortly after I have a look at a couple of things.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 11, 2008 20:10:41 GMT -5
I'm not saying I trust Roosh, but I'd like to know what his three tidbits are tomorrow. At this point I find it most likely he's either playing for town or pfk, in which case it's a mislynch (remember that discussion). Well, that is the worst case scenario. I think it is entirely possible that Roosh has already determined that he is scum, and has been less then completely honest with the clues.
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Post by Gir! on Jun 11, 2008 20:19:59 GMT -5
I burned my finger this afternoon and it's tough to type. I'm goig to reread and hopefully vote within the next couple hours.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 11, 2008 20:22:27 GMT -5
2) I was of the opinion and stand vindicated that Stardragonman was town, annoying, fairly unhelpful town, but town nonetheless. Just to note, I really disliked this explanation Mr Blocks.. I hate it when anyone tries to point out how they've been right about past lynchees and their "correct" reads on them. It just feels... icky to me. It's like gloating and a subtle bump of yourself- "Hey guys, MY TownieDar is working! I TOLD you all!" sorta deal. -Hell, I worked D2 to save tdpatriots, but I didn't really know for sure what his Role was, I did it out of self-preservation. He might be town, and he's been helpful toDay somewhat, and at least he's contributing, but I'm not gonna put him down as a "Confirmed" townie or anything close to that in my book. So the fact that back BEFORE the lynch you felt pretty confident about someone's Townieness... well that reads to me as Perfect Information. And the fact that you're pointing it out, especially to justify your actions for Voting between two other players- That's just not cool at all. I don't like it one bit. FOS Mr. Blockey.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 11, 2008 20:37:09 GMT -5
vote Roosh Worst case scenario we are lynching someone who doesn't know who he is, and isn't terribly interested in finding scum. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS WEAK SHIT?! This is GODDAMN weak. Have you been READING today at all? I've been TRYING to do something goddammit- I stopped with the damn fucking Milk, and I'm potentially putting myself already up there by the end of this Day, and you're fucking wasting a vote on me TOO? So you want to kill an unknown, why don't YOU start asking questions, where's your great vote analysis for the day? What the hell gives you the right to say I'm not terribly interested in finding scum? I've busted my ass Day 2 trying to put up vote charts, and yeah okay- I did some stupid things when I felt my life was in Danger, but goddammit this justification for voting me is the WEAKSEST shit out there! I've been trying today to be More helpful, I've been asking questions and I've even put aside my own role issues at the moment! So what the hell is up with this? This vote just reads to me as someone who's throwing away a vote with a lame reason- your vote for me is no better than my vote for Stardragonman, except that when I made the vote, I was doing it at least to save my own ass that Day. "Just vote for SDM because he's been unhelpful" -It was a stupid vote then, and I regret it knowing what I know now. But still, at least I can SEE that my vote was terribly reasoned and I knew it as I made it, but the only thing was I felt it was either SDM or my life at the time. Since then I'm trying to do better, and I'm actually trying to help Town out, regardless of if it means I'm gonna lose or not tomorrow. Your vote however reads just as weak as mine of SDM did, but I don't see your life ANYwhere in danger. What's your excuse for voting me? I'm not helpful? I'm not trying to contribute? "Oh he doesn't know his role" that's weak dude- other people have been at least trying to help me out and figure out this stuff with me, you're just smudging me and the whole damn thing by scuffling dirt on me. I don't like it one fucking bit. FOS Hawk"I'm just looking for an excuse to Vote" EyeOp Fuck that actually, call it a damn OMGUS if you will, but that is the WEAKEST justification for a vote I've seen yet! If you think you can just slip by under the radar by wasting a vote on me with a shitty justification- no fucking way dude. That might have slid when I was still doing my Delivers, but I'm actually TRYING to be helpful and trying to get discussion going here! That vote just feels like someone trying to go under the radar! Hell forget the FoS Unvote Rysto Vote HawkeyeOpWhat the fuck, dude?
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 11, 2008 20:40:18 GMT -5
Well, that is the worst case scenario. I think it is entirely possible that Roosh has already determined that he is scum, and has been less then completely honest with the clues. I've already at the very start of the Day asked to be investigated toNight by anyone who feels they can do so. I think if I figured out I was scum, I would have shut up about that, and I don't think i'd have made such an ass of myself putting myself out there toDay. Your vote just pisses me off- it's basically throwing away anything helpful i've TRIED to do since today started, and just... i don't know. I expect you to actually TRY to play harder than that. To just throw your vote down on such a flimsy excuse feels like... well like what I did yesterday- it feels really opportunistic.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 11, 2008 20:43:36 GMT -5
Well, that is the worst case scenario. I think it is entirely possible that Roosh has already determined that he is scum, and has been less then completely honest with the clues. And where's the flip side, no consideration to me actually being HELPFUL to the town in some way? I'm already out in the open; I'm already giving you all my damn clues each Day; what more do you want? Do you want me tell you who i'm going to target each night? Do you want me to maybe draw a nice little bullseye on my back too? GAH! I'm just REALLY FRUSTRATED right now. AT YOU. I didn't expect this sort of crap from you, Hawkeye. It's just so freaking opportunistic and scummy.
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