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Post by capybara on Aug 17, 2007 14:44:50 GMT -5
[ This can't be ignored. I am a little worried, though, by the rapidness and vehemence of the response. It doesn't seem scummy to me - rather, it seems like we're all so happy to see a possible real live scum tell in person that we're all ready to leap on it a bit more quickly than it warrants. Or that the real live scum may be thrilled to have a live red herring on their hands. Town-- again, move carefully.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 17, 2007 14:46:48 GMT -5
Actually, I'm curious. Dotchan, What DID you mean by the word "other two scum". Your answer is kinda key here, as I'm really tempted to vote for you. (Under the Story rules of "vote for the Scummiest", right now I'm wavering in my faith of you)
But I really want to hear from you first.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 17, 2007 14:59:23 GMT -5
Actually, I'm curious. Dotchan, What DID you mean by the word "other two scum". Your answer is kinda key here, as I'm really tempted to vote for you. (Under the Story rules of "vote for the Scummiest", right now I'm wavering in my faith of you) But I really want to hear from you first. Like I said, I was posting a hypothetical, pondering the irony of the situation because I am town. In retrospect, I wish I could have worded myself better, but once I hit "Post Reply" what could I do? FTR, I didn't officially FoS: *drain bead *Hal *cowgirl *hockeymonkey *pygmyrugger *diggitcamara
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 17, 2007 15:01:29 GMT -5
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 17, 2007 15:03:24 GMT -5
So do you think Pygmy or Diggit are townie? Or Scum? Since you don't know their alignments.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 17, 2007 15:19:00 GMT -5
So do you think Pygmy or Diggit are townie? Or Scum? Since you don't know their alignments. Pygmy's said a few things in the earlier Days that look a little disturbing in retrospect (for example, his musing of Hal as a possible protown power role in reply #124 on Day Two after voting for him on Day One); his frustration over the mhaye role could be interpreted either way, IMHO. I also found diggitcamara's vote for cowgirl suspicious, but otherwise reading through his posts I wasn't getting any kind of read from him. Basically other people were doing stuff I found to be more supicious, so I ended up pointing fingers elsewhere.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 17, 2007 15:29:25 GMT -5
Final 2 Questions from me for the day (Why isn't anyone else really talking? oh well)
Storyteller: Why'd you unvote Pygmy? You mention the rapid buildup vs. Dotchan in your unvoting post, and that you agree with Mad, but then unvote Pygmy and just state you're not going to be voting for anyone. That confused me slightly.
Dotchan: Final Q for now: Why'd you vote for Mad, other than your post (Reply 164) where you said it was an OMGUS vote. I REALLY hope that you have a better reason than that, because that's a really scummy thing to say while throwing a vote at someone (though i felt you did the same thing to me on Day 2, but having that chalked up as part of your playing "style" is really anti-town and unhelpful). Care to elaborate on your thoughts vs. Mad, rather than just saying OMGUS?
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 17, 2007 15:34:34 GMT -5
Dotchan: Final Q for now: Why'd you vote for Mad, other than your post (Reply 164) where you said it was an OMGUS vote. I REALLY hope that you have a better reason than that, because that's a really scummy thing to say while throwing a vote at someone (though i felt you did the same thing to me on Day 2, but having that chalked up as part of your playing "style" is really anti-town and unhelpful). Care to elaborate on your thoughts vs. Mad, rather than just saying OMGUS? I already found him suspicious due to the whole vote/unvote/vote/unvote thing with nesta and felt that he purposely mis-interpreted my statement in order to get me lynched.
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Post by capybara on Aug 17, 2007 16:04:30 GMT -5
Where is everybody? It's been the same 6 people posting all day.
While we're trying to get out of magpie "Ooh , look, shiny!" mode, IMO. . .
Dot and Roosh (and others), what do you make of the update voting chart I posted a couple of pages ago?
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 17, 2007 16:21:25 GMT -5
I saw the chart, and it seemed about right to me (as I had kept a list on my own of the Day 3 events too), and I noticed some trends, but more so with my own stuff on the wrong sort of data. IE: I believe I have 2-3 candidates for who I think is a Genius. But I won't reveal that Data. I also have a list of 6 people i find most suspicious at this juncture, those I don't mind revealing.
Roosh's Most Notorious List (I guess you can call it the FOS list): 1. PygmyRunner 2. Dotchan 3. StoryTeller 4. MadTheSwine 5. DiggitCam 6. Malacandra *Note, this doesn't mean I trust the others, it just means these are the people I'm currently more distrustful of, and actually following. Some Names may just be up there w/o any supporting Evidence. But its my "Be suspicious of" list. If i had a list that was one lesser suspicious list, it'd be your name up there Capy, only for the stuff you've been going at vs. Mad with, on Dotchan.
Hence at the beginning of the Day, I was quite saddened as they (the peep on the list) were the only posters really to be talking (Mad and Story mostly).
I also feel there could be a slight connection between Dotchan-Diggit-Pygmy only for the "slip" of Dotchan, but its a very weak one. I'd rather go for Pygmy, and if he turns up scum, then go after Dotchan 110% before finally then looking at Diggit.
If Pygmy turns up Town though, I'll prolly start to look more at StoryTeller and Mad, because these two players honestly confuse me. I have the least conviction on them, and I'm actually watching Storyteller's votes today. I think Pygmy's scum, but then Storyteller jumped on with a vote against him. But then also quickly unvoted the guy. I'm curious to hear why, and I'm wondering If Storyteller maybe the deadliest kind of Scum- "the Overhelpful Townie." But again, i have the least amount of conviction on him and Mad. Mad mostly because I haven't been paying attention to him at all. His Anti-Dotchan was the first big thing that came up for me, and it was something that I kinda agreed with. Buuut, others have found him suspicious, so i'll keep him on the list.
Any Qs?
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 17, 2007 16:26:46 GMT -5
Dotchan: Final Q for now: Why'd you vote for Mad, other than your post (Reply 164) where you said it was an OMGUS vote. I REALLY hope that you have a better reason than that, because that's a really scummy thing to say while throwing a vote at someone (though i felt you did the same thing to me on Day 2, but having that chalked up as part of your playing "style" is really anti-town and unhelpful). Care to elaborate on your thoughts vs. Mad, rather than just saying OMGUS? I already found him suspicious due to the whole vote/unvote/vote/unvote thing with nesta and felt that he purposely mis-interpreted my statement in order to get me lynched. I am almost certain that many others would have interpreted the same way had I not been the first to point it out.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 17, 2007 16:30:19 GMT -5
I would have pointed it out Mad, but you beat me to it.
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Post by NAF1138 on Aug 17, 2007 16:47:41 GMT -5
I saw the chart, and it seemed about right to me (as I had kept a list on my own of the Day 3 events too), and I noticed some trends, but more so with my own stuff on the wrong sort of data. IE: I believe I have 2-3 candidates for who I think is a Genius. But I won't reveal that Data. I also have a list of 6 people i find most suspicious at this juncture, those I don't mind revealing. Roosh's Most Notorious List (I guess you can call it the FOS list): 1. PygmyRunner 2. Dotchan 3. StoryTeller 4. MadTheSwine 5. DiggitCam 6. Malacandrasnip Any Qs? You misspelled my name. ;D But seriously folks. I actually think making lists like this and putting them out there is a good idea for the town. Everyone should get involved. My current top 4 (based mostly on gut at the moment) in no particular order: dotchan Pygmy storyteller Roosh Much of this is vibe, as I am still trying to process all the info I have just absorbed, but these are the people that are pinging me the hardest. (and I really will start talking a LOT more once I feel a little more comfortable with what is happening in the game)
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Post by capybara on Aug 17, 2007 17:05:44 GMT -5
But seriously folks. I actually think making lists like this and putting them out there is a good idea for the town. Everyone should get involved. You have GOT to be kidding. How in God's name could public lists of who the town suspects and who scum want the town to think they suspect be good for the town? Sounds like giving the scum a road map to the easiest railroadings and best night targets to me. Town, IF there are 4 scum left, that means that if we make a bad lynch and the doctor doesn't get a lucky block in tonight, we are almost even at 5:4 in the morning and THAT will be not just an uphill battle, but trying to scale a greased castle wall in clown shoes with raining rocks and boiling oil and crows pecking at our eyes.
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 17, 2007 17:10:54 GMT -5
Where is everybody? It's been the same 6 people posting all day. While we're trying to get out of magpie "Ooh , look, shiny!" mode, IMO. . . Dot and Roosh (and others), what do you make of the update voting chart I posted a couple of pages ago? ... pygmrugger | 12:28 | nesta | 1:04 | 9:11 | storyteller | 7:22 | 9:44 | 14:34 | 14:40 | 14:41 | MadTheSwine | 8:44 |
[/td][td]10:41[/td][td]11:15[/td][td]11:17[/td][td]11:36[/td][td]11:48[/td][td]12:51[/td][td]13:11[/td][td]13:12[/td][td]13:13[/td][td]13:23[/td][td]13:25[/td][td]13:31[/td][td]13:45[/td][td]13:50[/td][td]16:26[/td][/tr] [tr][td]dotchan[/td] [td]9:04[/td][td]13:01[/td][td]13:40[/td][td]14:59[/td][td]15:19[/td][td]15:34[/td][/tr] [tr][td]capybara[/td][td]9:51[/td][td]10:04[/td][td]10:20[/td][td]10:58[/td][td]11:12[/td][td]11:46[/td][td]11:47[/td][td]12:12[/td][td]13:13[/td][td]13:19[/td][td]13:24[/td][td]13:25[/td][td]13:36[/td][td]13:52[/td][td]14:44[/td][/tr] [tr][td]NAF[/td] [td]10:10[/td][td]11:59[/td][td]14:08[/td][/tr] [tr][td]Roosh[/td][td]11:25[/td][td]11:40[/td][td]12:20[/td][td]12:45[/td][td]13:45[/td][td]13:48[/td][td]13:48[/td][td]13:59[/td][td]14:16[/td][td]14:46[/td][td]15:01[/td][td]15:03[/td][td]15:29[/td][td]16:21[/td][td]16:30[/td][/tr] [tr][td]DiggitCamara[/td] [td]11:41[/td][td]12:06[/td][td]13:26[/td][td]14:43[/td][/tr] [tr][td]BlasterMaster[/td] [td]12:03[/td][/tr] [/table] My table illustrates both the times and players who have intervened during this day (2008-08-17) in the discussion. Other than GreedySmurf, all others have had their say. Around 13:00 dotchan made her now infamous comment about the number of remaining psychopaths. There seems to have been an odd... spike of comments. Mainly by MadtheSwine (who pointed out the infamous post) and two..."apologists" who seem to have been.... defending said post. Why do you think there has been a lack of comments by the remaining players?
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Post by capybara on Aug 17, 2007 17:20:14 GMT -5
... pygmrugger | 12:28 | nesta | 1:04 | 9:11 | storyteller | 7:22 | 9:44 | 14:34 | 14:40 | 14:41 | MadTheSwine | 8:44 |
[/td][td]10:41[/td][td]11:15[/td][td]11:17[/td][td]11:36[/td][td]11:48[/td][td]12:51[/td][td]13:11[/td][td]13:12[/td][td]13:13[/td][td]13:23[/td][td]13:25[/td][td]13:31[/td][td]13:45[/td][td]13:50[/td][td]16:26[/td][/tr] [tr][td]dotchan[/td] [td]9:04[/td][td]13:01[/td][td]13:40[/td][td]14:59[/td][td]15:19[/td][td]15:34[/td][/tr] [tr][td]capybara[/td][td]9:51[/td][td]10:04[/td][td]10:20[/td][td]10:58[/td][td]11:12[/td][td]11:46[/td][td]11:47[/td][td]12:12[/td][td]13:13[/td][td]13:19[/td][td]13:24[/td][td]13:25[/td][td]13:36[/td][td]13:52[/td][td]14:44[/td][/tr] [tr][td]NAF[/td] [td]10:10[/td][td]11:59[/td][td]14:08[/td][/tr] [tr][td]Roosh[/td][td]11:25[/td][td]11:40[/td][td]12:20[/td][td]12:45[/td][td]13:45[/td][td]13:48[/td][td]13:48[/td][td]13:59[/td][td]14:16[/td][td]14:46[/td][td]15:01[/td][td]15:03[/td][td]15:29[/td][td]16:21[/td][td]16:30[/td][/tr] [tr][td]DiggitCamara[/td] [td]11:41[/td][td]12:06[/td][td]13:26[/td][td]14:43[/td][/tr] [tr][td]BlasterMaster[/td] [td]12:03[/td][/tr] [/table] My table illustrates both the times and players who have intervened during this day (2008-08-17) in the discussion. Other than GreedySmurf, all others have had their say. [/quote] I count 6 players doing most of the playing there, and players like Nesta and Blaster haven't come in in a long time. If we are 4 scum and 7 town, it's possible that the majority of discussion today has been scum. Who's the other "apologist"? Does Roosh count because he hasn't voted for her? I'm not sure about protocol with scary quotes.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 17, 2007 17:31:25 GMT -5
I Ain't no apologist. I still find Dotchan my #2 suspect. But right now, i'm going after #1.
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Post by NAF1138 on Aug 17, 2007 17:36:22 GMT -5
But seriously folks. I actually think making lists like this and putting them out there is a good idea for the town. Everyone should get involved. You have GOT to be kidding. How in God's name could public lists of who the town suspects and who scum want the town to think they suspect be good for the town? Sounds like giving the scum a road map to the easiest railroadings and best night targets to me. Town, IF there are 4 scum left, that means that if we make a bad lynch and the doctor doesn't get a lucky block in tonight, we are almost even at 5:4 in the morning and THAT will be not just an uphill battle, but trying to scale a greased castle wall in clown shoes with raining rocks and boiling oil and crows pecking at our eyes. Faulty logic capy, for a couple of reasons. Your second paragraph is the reason the plan is necessary. We can't afford to be wrong, and right now nothing we have is solid enough for us to be sure we are right. Personally I think that dotchan's slip is enough to solidify her as scum, but not everyone agrees and we really do need to make sure we are right. First, do you really think we are in a better potisiton to catch scum toDay than we were yesterDay or the Day before? I say no. Why, because this game is being played too close to the vest on the side of the town. We are doing nothing but shooting in the dark. We got lucky with Drain Bead but that kill came too early and it gave us no information. A public list like this forces the scum to lie, and you can catch a lie. You can look at the list and compare it to the voting records and the stated suspicions earlier in the game and grab on to inconsistancies. Posting these sorts of lists is not something that the scum will want to do because it forces accountability. You put up these lists and you will be foced to defend your thoughts and actions, all of which give the scum more chances to get caught. Information is our friend right now. The more of it we can get the better we will be able to level the playing field.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 17, 2007 17:36:36 GMT -5
Oh and i tend to dislike the whole "Everybody" doing list idea actually NAFacandra. Just reminds me of the ClusterF*ck of M2. I just put my list up there because well, i don't really know. Capy asked me a Q, and I felt a need to share something. But normally i will not do the listing unless i'm about to die. Then i'll give you guys all 100% of my thoughts.
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 17, 2007 17:36:41 GMT -5
... pygmrugger | 12:28 | nesta | 1:04 | 9:11 | storyteller | 7:22 | 9:44 | 14:34 | 14:40 | 14:41 | MadTheSwine | 8:44 |
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Post by capybara on Aug 17, 2007 17:55:26 GMT -5
I didn't think there was any question who you meant as the apologist, but that's neither here nor there is it?
Not to derail the whole derailing "look, shiny" magpie project, but I have nothing to hide and at this juncture we've decided to lay down the cards. The town needs to make a very good choice today and needs all the information it can get-- we can't offer much more information, but have a small amount (like another town i.d. and some thoughts).
O hai! I is smrt.
I confirm Nesta and Nesta will confirm me.
We weren't sure whether the scum had sniffed out dnooman or just gotten a lucky shot, but we decided it best for both of us to claim today so that it's verifiable even if one of us snuffs it tonight.
Back in a few moments with some thoughts-- need to check on some blackberry tarts in the oven.
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Post by capybara on Aug 17, 2007 18:01:59 GMT -5
Firstly, an updated pretty colored list for your edification and entertainment.
Some of my own thoughts on this will follow.
Day One
drainbead (8) - storyteller0910, Roosh, Mad The Swine, Blaster Master, GreedySmurf, dnooman, nesta, mhaye
GreedySmurf (5) - JSexton, Hal Briston, DiggitCamera, kat, Malacandra
Malacandra (4) - hockeymonkey, drainbead, cowgirl, capybara
Hal Briston (1) - pygmyrugger
Day 2
cowgirl (5) - dnooman, diggitcamara, Malacandra, Hal Briston, nesta
Roosh (4) - dotchan, cowgirl, pygmyrugger, Mad the Swine
Mad the Swine (2) - Storyteller0, capybara
Malacandra (1) - JSexton
diggitcamara (1) - GreedySmurf
dotchan (1) - Roosh
pygmyrugger (1) - Mhaye
Day 3 JSexton (4) - nesta, mhaye, diggitcamara, Malacandra
Malacandra (4) - JSexton, dnooman, capybara, Greedy
Mad the Swine (1) - Blaster
Mhaye(1) - Dotchan
Run off: Jsexton (9): Diggitt, Dotchan, Mal, Blaster, Mad, Nesta, Story, MHaye, Pygmy
Malacandra (2): Capybara, Dnooman
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 17, 2007 18:06:53 GMT -5
(snip) O hai! I is smrt. (snip) OK. I'll back off, then. nesta and capybara, then, are "geniuses". It would be nice for nesta to confirm this, but other than that, all other "geniuses" should definitely not claim by now (IMHO). Anyhow, capybara, I don't think you really needed to claim by now, you're hardly at risk yet.
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Post by nesta on Aug 17, 2007 18:07:45 GMT -5
Welcome to the sunlight capybara. Just ignore that burning sensation and don't look directly at that big yellow ball in the sky.
I confirm capybara is a Genius, and smarter than I am. Poor dnooman who didn't live to the coming out party.
That's all of us. Only three. Anyone else who claims to be a Genius should be lynched post-haste.
Also, though it hasn't been brought up, and beyond this I don't think it should be, but do what you think is best Doctor.
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Post by NAF1138 on Aug 17, 2007 18:08:50 GMT -5
CAPY!
You realize that you just split the doctors protection for the night giving the scum 50% better odds of taking one of you out?
We need the feakin' geniuses to stay alive!
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Post by nesta on Aug 17, 2007 18:12:27 GMT -5
CAPY! You realize that you just split the doctors protection for the night giving the scum 50% better odds of taking one of you out? We need the feakin' geniuses to stay alive! I think there was a very good chance that they already had a bead on her after my claim. It isn't hard to put two and two together. If they did already know about capy and she didn't claim she would be a sitting duck with no chance at protection. It was time.
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Post by capybara on Aug 17, 2007 18:14:45 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter in some way-- the geniuses are only useful at this point if the town can use our identities, otherwise the scum can just pick us off anyway. We don't have a doctor among us or any special abilities. And after the scum possibly lynch Nesta tonight there would be no way for me to claim. . . but more in a moment. This was the moment.
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Post by NAF1138 on Aug 17, 2007 18:16:52 GMT -5
Ok, I trust that you guys know what you are doing. Extra information is good and all...well I guess the worst case is scum gets to play chicken with the doc. So far that has always worked out in the towns favor....
I am going to smite you both so hard if one of you ends up dead in the morning.
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Post by NAF1138 on Aug 17, 2007 18:18:23 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter in some way-- the geniuses are only useful at this point if the town can use our identities, otherwise the scum can just pick us off anyway. We don't have a doctor among us or any special abilities. And after the scum possibly lynch Nesta tonight there would be no way for me to claim. . . but more in a moment. This was the moment. Wait, did I misread the rules? The town has a doctor right? I didn't notice a doc getting killed only a cop (therapist)
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Post by capybara on Aug 17, 2007 18:20:12 GMT -5
The doctor is not a genius, I meant. Stop interrupting!
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